2008 will be GREAT!

[Mozart]

hey fans of the future,


what are your thoughts/feelings about the coming year, 2008?


here's mine, fwiw.


i get the sense that it is going to be a watershed year and that it'll be the year that determines the collective path that we'd take between '08 and 2012 event horizon.


smelyakov of russia has noted that 2008 would be a key bifurcation year--that's one indicator of the power of 2008.


another is the presidential election coming up in america that has implications upon the whole world, as america has been a dominant player in world events...to the detriment to far too much of our world, unfortunately. two stolen elections in a row has been the key in the horrid transformation of america into a militaristic empire that is now poised to plunge the whole world into another world war, wwiv.


in this current presidential election cycle, a dark horse has miraculously emerged...ron paul, who, if elected, could do more than any other man ever elected to pull back the militaristic american empire with the pull-back of american troops from all over the world. the ron paul revolution is poised to have a huge impact in 2008.


then there's the american economy with the rapidly-falling dollar with its impacts upon the entire world economy, it looks like that 2008 would be a watershed year for the completion of the collapse of the american economic engine. the dollars still going around in the world would likely save the american economy, ironically, for the time being, and give time for president paul to make the right moves (abolish the federal reserve et. al.).


then there's the emergence of russia and china as major economic powerhouses that are poised to supplant america as the new drivers of the world economy and their impact in the world would be cemented in 2008, it seems.


then there's the fulford possibility of deeply influencing david rockefeller to really make the key moves to have the illoonynaughties step aside and allow the free energies to emerge, to release trillions of dollars/euros, etc, of stolen money back to the people, to stop the war-based genocides and the massive chemtrail spraying and many more things that are mess'n up our planet and her peoples, plus many other people-helping actions.


then there's the likely additional scientific revelations that would add greatly to the ones that already came out this year and was reported in david's site; i can't wait for more fantastic scientific revelations to emerge forth.


then last, but not least, there's david's convergence movie being filmed and, possibly, released in late 2008 that would help lead a renaissance in the world's views of what is going on and give many millions of us people real senses of hope that we can, together, make a better world for all of us.


i can see the possibility of an awesome sequence of events, as follows:


1)the arrests of bush/cheney cabals.

2)the placement of ron paul as the new american leader.

3)the use of the mainstream media to release heretofore hidden information about free energy, ufos, gov't crimes, the existence of the illoonynaughties, the revealing of the latest scientific paradigm-busting discoveries and so on.

4)the retrenchment of the american empire back to being just one of many players in our world, rather than being a bully through the military pull-backs from many bases in the world.

5)the collapse of the american economy with the rescue of it from around the world with americans eating humble pie.

6)the release of the convergence movie.


i think that 2008 is going to be one awesome year. hold on to your hats.

[Verm]

that would be a fantastic year. i'll be trying to realize something similar as well. but on the same coin, the way things are lining up. there needs to be a 180 for this to happen.

[fiz]

thanks mozart, per usual, for lining things up so clearly, this time in regards to the what-if's of 2008....

though i cast my "vote" for your envisioned scenario of best-possible outcomes, i also find myself feeling like uncertainty is the name of the game in every moment, with untold surprises the inevitable outcome.

"bifurcation" is such an interesting word.... i actually do feel that we may be entering into a time where those loony naughties loose their hold in time and space, not just cuz they might be being checked by their polar opposite equivalent, but because time and space may be undergoing a moral revolution of their own, possibly making it physically impossible for events to proceed according to plan as imagined by...well... anyone!

this is pure new age thinking of course, and perhaps even of the twice-warmed-over variety, sprinkled maybe with my own half-remembered doses of ra-inspired interpretation offered by many folks right here at dc. point of my saying so is.....that my thickest ganglia of gut-centered nerves -- along with a steady delivery of vision-like dreams i've been having for a good many years now -- strongly suggests that the general consensus among the "hi-quality" new age voices.....may be coming to fruition before our very eyes as we speak and gaze upon this most wonderfully marvelous and uncertain world.

what this means to me personally is that i-- as i said above -- do find myself needing to frame my perspective upon world events with a baseline of maximum uncertainty, while actively wondering, like yourself and others here...what's gonna happen?!

it also means that i find myself moving into a place where creative expression seems to be the call of the day, this beyond trying to change the already-changing conditions here on ma earth. sometimes such creative expression amounts to simply being alone in my existence and feeling everything going on without a clue as to how to qualify any of it -- personal, existential or beyond. and sometimes creative expression means finding some activity i actually enjoy and doing it with a sense that that little creative impulse i am nuturing is one that may hold the key to unfolding future in a very real way -- for me or for anyone who allows it to come to life for themselves, in whatever way one might be moved to.

that's a floaty and tangential response to your focused marksmanship, and i hope it seems relevant regardless.

diving into the nick of time without a clue....and a wide open heart.

fiz

[flachiefsfan]

it just keeps getting better and better, my friends!

i sincerely hope there isn't a conspiracy to negate any votes for ron paul. we all remember the electoral vote fiasco in fl during the last election. i'd also pray for his safety if he, in fact, uncovers some hidden truths.

spirituality will gain momentum during 2008, hopefully culminating with god being brought back into the school systems and mega-stores once again wishing "merry christmas" instead of "season's greetings".

stores should wish "merry christmas," "joyous quanza," "happy hanukkah" and any other greeting for the season. ultimately, i believe there is one god to which all religions believe in. whether he is called god, allah or ______ is indifferent. we're all on the same team!

we can't get enough of god!

[SuperManny]

1)the arrests of bush/cheney cabals.
2)the placement of ron paul as the new american leader.
3)the use of the mainstream media to release heretofore hidden information about free energy, ufos, gov't crimes, the existence of the illoonynaughties, the revealing of the latest scientific paradigm-busting discoveries and so on.
4)the retrenchment of the american empire back to being just one of many players in our world, rather than being a bully through the military pull-backs from many bases in the world.
5)the collapse of the american economy with the rescue of it from around the world with americans eating humble pie.
6)the release of the convergence movie.
i think that 2008 is going to be one awesome year. hold on to your hats.wow! count me in!:d

that all sounds great; actually it sounds a lot like i try to visualize it when i think of the future. unfortunately i don't think we're quite there yet. we need to be totally, completely and thoroughly convinced; beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the path we're on is not the one we want to choose for our futures and for our children. and altho most of the people here may be at that stage already, i'm not entirely convinced the mass consciousness is. i think the mass consciousness, (for lack of a better term) hasn't suffered enough, they are still too comfortable. and comfort does not bring change!

at the risk of sounding depressing i think 2008 will bring about all types of governmental (and other leadership) scandals and betrayals, on a scale we presently cannot even quite conceive of.

i think world unrest will reach new heights, even to the point of (and including) nuclear weapons exchange. i believe this is what it's gonna take to wake everyone up.

i also believe we have some major earth changes in store, including flooding and earthquakes. now that i've gotten everyone all depressed, let me just say that even after experiencing all of this, it really won't be all that bad. i think that especially for the ones that have done some serious soul searching, there will be made available such great and magnificent developments in human consciousness that we'll look back at it when it's all over and say, hey, that wasn't so bad. in fact it was pretty darn good!
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i was out in my yard late at night looking into the starry night sky. then i saw that one of the stars was moving. it looked like a ufo. i focused on it with all my attention. i asked, 'do you have a message for me?' immediately the answer came back, ringing in my head like a bell, "wake up!" the voice said, "you're in a deep sleep! wake up!"

[riCo]

your predictions really sound great and i can also see changes every day. i think people are slowly waking up, not yet in a spiritual way but they begin to realize what is going on in this world. by getting all the knowledge about illuminati and the manipulation all around us i feel kinda frustrated at the moment.
they refuse so much things that would improve everyones life on earth and lie everywhere. it makes me sick if i watch tv and see them talking about higher oil prices or higher energy costs in general, while theres enough "free energy" for everyone. that would solve so many problems and steal the power from the powerfull people.
i`m also having a hard time in thinking about what job i will do in the future, because many jobs are useless...
with my spiritual growth its kinda hard to live in the "old world", where most of the people cant understand you.
don`t get me wrong i really dont want to miss all this knowledge i attained over the last months, but now that i know whats going on in this world its kinda hard to live in this false place...
it`s really hard to wait for these things to change.
what do you guys think about nesara? they talked about it alot on the internet but nothing changed so far, do you have any more information about it?

[riCo]

your predictions really sound great and i can also see changes every day. i think people are slowly waking up, not yet in a spiritual way but they begin to realize what is going on in this world. by getting all the knowledge about illuminati and the manipulation all around us i feel kinda frustrated at the moment.
they refuse so much things that would improve everyones life on earth and lie everywhere. it makes me sick if i watch tv and see them talking about higher oil prices or higher energy costs in general, while theres enough "free energy" for everyone. that would solve so many problems and steal the power from the powerfull people.
i`m also having a hard time in thinking about what job i will do in the future, because many jobs are useless...
with my spiritual growth its kinda hard to live in the "old world", where most of the people cant understand you.
don`t get me wrong i really dont want to miss all this knowledge i attained over the last months, but now that i know whats going on in this world its kinda hard to live in this false place...
it`s really hard to wait for these things to change.
what do you guys think about nesara? they talked about it alot on the internet but nothing changed so far, do you have any more information about it?

[nem338nem]

david mentioned 2008 being a bifurcation point back in 2004 during our atlantis cruise sessions. i strongly agree. also, i truly feel that ron paul (our most recent "ghandi" messenger) is a strong catalyst involving the changes.

i hope everyone here supports ron paul and david as strongly as i do!

[flachiefsfan]

we need to be totally, completely and thoroughly convinced; beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the path we're on is not the one we want to choose for our futures and for our children. and although most of the people here may be at that stage already, i'm not entirely convinced the mass consciousness is. i think the mass consciousness, (for lack of a better term) hasn't suffered enough, they are still too comfortable. and comfort does not bring change! [/i]

unfortunately, the law of one won't happen overnight, as more people know about it, the more the vibrations will increase.

[SuperManny]

we need to be totally, completely and thoroughly convinced; beyond the shadow of a doubt, that the path we're on is not the one we want to choose for our futures and for our children. and although most of the people here may be at that stage already, i'm not entirely convinced the mass consciousness is. i think the mass consciousness, (for lack of a better term) hasn't suffered enough, they are still too comfortable. and comfort does not bring change! unfortunately, the law of one won't happen overnight, as more people know about it, the more the vibrations will increase.how very true! please don't misunderstand; i would dearly love to see all these positive things happen in 2008, but at the same time i try to be realistic.:)
but then what do i know, by the end of next year we may all have ascended already!:cool:

[jpstephens2012]

what do you guys think about nesara? they talked about it alot on the internet but nothing changed so far, do you have any more information about it?

[moderator note: i believe if you search using "nesara" that our archives have some discussions on this, and jim here has reached pretty much the same conclusion as others]

this is going to be hard for some to take, but it is necessary.

i hate to deflate anyone's balloons but you can mostly forget about nesara. it has become the primary flag for false prophets and internet fraud. it was originally only an experiment created by man anyway.

sorry, et's aren't going to massively land and rescue everybody and forcibly change our economic system and destroy the illuminati and make us all rich. that's similar to the second coming and rapture myths. think about it. such activity would violate every thing the et's have professed to believe and represent. it would violate the prime directive of the universe which is non-interference, as well as the free will of millions of beings. yes, the illuminati have free will too. no, we have to do this ourselves. that's why we are here at this time. there are no free rides no matter how hard one might wish it to be. rescue yourself. heal yourself. forgive yourself. love yourself. seek to be of service to others in any way that does not violate your own free will or the free will of others. the whole thing is that we have to take full responsibility for ourselves and our creations. that is just part of growing up spiritually, and the only requirement for ascension. there are those here to aid us, but they're not here to do it for us. spiritual growth is our own responsibility.

[fiz]

i'm so uncertain about what will be that at times it seems the present moment positively vibrates with reality :)

[fiz]

et's aren't going to massively land and rescue everybody and forcibly change our economic system and destroy the illuminati and make us all rich. that's similar to the second coming and rapture myths. think about it. such activity would violate every thing the et's have professed to believe and represent. it would violate the prime directive of the universe which is non-interference, as well as the free will of millions of beings. no, we have to do this ourselves. that's why we are here at this time.

dig it, jim.

thanks for the call to our capacity and our responsibility.

personally, i don't know what's going on with the benign et's. in a fairly recent dream of mine, i observed the night sky reveal a blanket of benign ships numbering the millions or more. registering their presence, i found myself washed in a converging beam of violet light focused on my heart, which then refracted out into the surrounding body of the earth. my understanding in this dream was that i am simply to be available to this quality of co-participation with my et brothers, now and in the future, at whatever subtle level this kind of mutual-lightening influence is active and actually happening.

this dream sort of popped the lid off my own lifelong skepticism about the reality of benign et's, and left me in enormous appreciation of the subtle active and inter-active relationship that may be alive for any of us and these kinds of beings.

in this dream, i was not being left all alone to help the planet. i was much more like a human refractor of this divine violet light that was such a direct infusion of vibrational love that words fail to express it. "transformative" seems a paltry word. this beam was more real and more alive than anything i've ever known.

that said, i heartily agree with your assessment and summary of our capacity and responsibility to be here and do our part. i guess i'm just moved to review this dream in this context to open the question of how our indiviudally responsibility may make us available to collaborate with these elusive positive et's you mention, even, at times, in startling direct forms.

i am also curious how you, jim, and others here may find yourselves moved to be of service to the precarious times. the recent discussions here at d.c. have helped me shift my own stance in relation to the times from one of waiting for the future to arrive to feeling that in an essential way, we may very well be like human fuses connecting up the earth to the galactic center, and connecting up the present to the future. does this image resonate with others? do others feel our roles to be one of deeply mysterious cosmic activators at this moment in time? can our stance in the world be seen as one of bringing the future forth from the present? what might this mean to any of us individually? these are the kinds of questions i find myself moved to increasingly ask, to myself and among folks here.

:o

fiz

[jpstephens2012]

thank you fiz for that post. as my understanding grows deeper from various things i learn and various sources of channeled material, my discernment grows ever more accurate. one of the things i have learned is that unfortunately all channeled material is not equal. indeed, even as predicted by the one known as jesus, the false profits(misspelling intentional) are out in droves. and again as he instructed us, you will know them by their words, whether their spirit identifies with your spirit (your higher self). for those who are not yet in communion with their own higher spirit, discernment is difficult if not impossible and many are snared by the ideas of the mind.

all this being said, it is my understanding (today :)) that perhaps as soon as next year, the veil that has been imposed on us will be lifted and remembrance will return fully to us as we move forward to 2012. we will then experience on a worldwide scale the true second coming of christ(consciousness). we will be able to access the akashic records directly. as this awakening takes place the visitors will be preparing to offer assistance in many technological areas as well educational. they will not interfere until we have cleared up the mess ourselves and invite them as a more united people. during this time, much that is still hidden will be revealed to the general public through major media sources after the hold of the dark forces has been broken. this will all be happening in the coming few months. the minions of the dark, our government officials, banking officials, and other members of the illuminati will see their illusion collapse around them and those responsible for the crimes against humanity will be held accountable for their actions by a people who are fully informed of the atrocities they have inflicted upon society. all of them will be given the opportunity to recant and come over to the light. they will not be able to hide their deceit any longer. any who willfully choose to continue down the path of the dark will be removed from the planet with the help of the visitors. it will then fall upon us to rebuild our society in the spirit of the new golden age.

these things will not take place overnight. it is our task of the new millennium, and with the technological assistance from the visitors, we will become new citizens of the galactic federation. i could go on and on but this post is already getting long. this is the way i see it coming down, but of course that is just my opinion according to my current understanding.

yours in the love and the light,

jim stephens

[Bill]

hopefully the question above catches the eye of more than just me. i sensed it in several posts in this thread, and one i work with daily.

i was laid off (actually, i know i chose to be laid off... lets be accurate about it) back in 2003. i chose not to pursue a typical job or career because that no longer resonated with me. i felt called to take time and discover what had been brewing inside for quite a while. i took the time to look inside and expand my understanding of spirituality and place in its evolution. i had the opportunity to do this while finishing my basement... thus the chance to become one with the drywall.:)

but, i had my parents, brothers, friends, and occasionally my family ask what i was going to do with my life? after all, i had had at least one job continuously for the past 27 years, how could i just 'lay around and be a bum'? i decided to keep on this path, and know that what i willed would show up, and have enjoyed 'succeeding' despite the normal concerns. but, i too have asked, 'ok, so now what do i do?". i have focused my energies on being of service to others, providing my skills and what i love to do in whatever opportunities that came along; some paid, most of the volunteer. i have enjoyed each experience, and have moved further in my evolution of what i know about business, and how it may apply in the new world order, so to speak. many of the traditional approaches no longer appeal to me, and so i have the opportunity to learn whether these will serve me, or consider different approaches to creating; and thus have been enlightening. i am continuing to focus on what i believe my role is, and that is to assist those that are on the cusp of awakening, and help them understand and choose that transition, if that is their desire. but, try explaining that on a resume or a business card!!!

wonder if any others have gone through the same thing, and how you are balancing that spiritual calling, and the 'material reality'?

[BHOPPE]

mozart,

this is a truly amazing thread. many of your ideas for the not-so-distant future are in complete resonance with my own. i am a very strong advocate of ron paul as well. i have been spreading his message to those around me for almost six months now and it seems as though it is now spreading like wildfire across the country. many people are waking up from their comfort induced mind paralysis. i am only nineteen years of age, yet i can see major changes in the consciousness of many persons. although i do not see rockefeller doing a complete 360, it would certainly be great if he did. all we can do now is radiate our light to those around us and spread the message of love. i look forward to the days to come and it gives me great comfort in knowing that there are many others on this plane with a view much like my own.

peace&love
brett

[DGCrow]

anytime i need to date anything (check, letter, memo, etc.) i keep wanting to write [b]2008![b] i guess i'm sensing the "increase" in time. lots of cool stuff happening for me and friends and family, and i hope for everyone else. when it seems appropriate i talk about spiritual matters with co-workers and friends. from my perspective, the law of one ideas are resonating with more and more people. i happen to work in a christian church and we routinely talk of a former employee (no longer in the physical) who visits from time to time!

also, the polarization between positive and negative is becoming more and more apparent. co-workers and i are joining our light to not only protect ourselves from negative influences of our employers, but to hopefully help heal them as we are healed.

there's that non-physical "something" about 2008 that keeps calling out to me. i really believe that 2008 will be year of much healing for many of us.
i'm not much into following politics/economics, but i think fundamental changes in direction are already unfolding. me, personally, i look forward to all the wondrous things ahead of us! :)

in the light,
doug

[eyez4096]

forgive me for being less than optimistic about ron paul's potential for election, but... i think it has about the chance of a snowball catalyzing a winter in biblical hell. i'd love to see it, but i doubt i will; my best thoughts ae to the possibility and i may vote for him (especially if he wins a nomination) but.. that's already one if statement too many.

i've been removed form the american perspective for only five months now,but i still find that hard to believe. as for the bifurcation: i love the term in mathematics. i also feel like one is immanent, but we will never know. thus is the nature of reality; what is is.. what could have been forever could have been.

-charles from ghana, pcv

[Djedi666]

hopefully you are right about these changes. the 'big' things happening in my life involve the opening of the 'hall of records' in egypt:which i have located through reading an hermetic text & 'pinpointed' using satellite imagery, but the numerologist in me says this will not happen until 2010. my other thing is propagating knowledge; a yoga technique (raja) shown to me by [name]. this technique is part of the same tradition, in which jesus became an initiate.