Who are the negative Gods in religion?

[AmelieJolie]

this is something i have been discussing a little bit with others, online, yesterday and today. i would like to know if any of you can offer some more feedback on this topic which fascinates me. please tell me anything you may have come up with according to your research.

i'm particularly interested in the story of the garden of eden and by the fact that "god" gave to humans "every herb bearing seed" and to animals "every green herb".

then the lord god refuses cain's vegetarian offering, yet praises abel's blood offering........

there are so many distortions.

who is "good" and who is "evil"?

who was lucifer?

did zachariah sitchin interpret the sumerian tablets accurately?

are we here for a reason?


~just a few questions that obsess me. ;)

[Ewhaz]

basically what your talking about is basic judaeo christian mythology, or the biblical distortion.

one thing to understand about the bible is that it is truth. it has truth in it just as every other great book of wisdom does. i spent a lot of time as a christian reading that book and coming to an understanding about it.

there is a layering of information there. ie the garden of eden is not just the garden of eden. cayce's information goes into a lot of detail about the symbolism in the bible. the garden of eden could stand for the body, as in it being perfect at one point, the apple represents the distortion of the truth (ie the knowledge of good and evil) and thus as we consume the apple, we are expelled from the garden of eden or the perfect body.

cain and able's offering...

in the bible this story was about the offering that they gave. able's offering was of his choicest or best livestock, cain kept the best for himself and offered only the second best for his offering. this is why it was rejected, not necessarily because it wasn't a blood offering. i haven't heard anything about this in regards to the other levels of understanding, but it could deal with the messages of being selfish or giving.

good and evil

in the bible, as far as i understood it, good and evil where choices that reflected either service to god or service to yourself. the entire message of the bible is primarily about choosing to serve god, ie in turning toward god and moving with him and his will. evil was about turning away from god and departing from his will. it was always about your choice...

in my understanding now, its more about service to others, or service to self, veiled in the distortion of good and evil. i could go into greater detail about the nature of good and evil as i understand it in the bible but it would take up quite a bit.

lucifer

in the bible, lucifer was the most beautifully angel in the armies of god. he was also the leader of those armies. he was also jealous of the praise and worship that god had for himself. he basically said to himself "one day my throne will be exhausted above the lord's" . he tempted one third of the armies to fall away with him. god easily cast them out of heaven and they went to dwell on the earth in the 2nd heaven (which is basically the sky)

lucifer has gone on to represent humanist in many shapes and forms. basically he personifies service to self, in serving the desires of the flesh and experiences of the flesh in this world. even cayce goes into a little detail about this, saying something along the lines of the devil representing the lower chakra's and the earthly vibrations.

zachariah and the tablets.

i don't have any information on this.

are we here for a reason?

depends on who's truth your working out of. in the judaeo christian view of life and reason, the entirety of our existence is to simply serve and worship god. we are meant to be his companions, to choose to be his companions. there are other distortions there about salvation and the necessity of a savior. there are the themes of sacrifice and law and justice there as well, all of which play a big role in the story.

in the layers of truth, there is a greater and deeper meaning to that though. this means the serving of others, in so many ways, as a way of serving god. we see in the loo that service to self requires that they deny that god exists and instead become god to themselves, and so in serving themselves they are serving god. so basically its a matter of serving the god in others, or serving the god in self.

in ending.. i will say this. the bible is not a book you can simply pick up and read through and understand easily. and thats just understanding the basic story.. never mind the layers of truth.. it is truly a beautiful book in its own right. nothing involving the bible is as simple as an what i've explored here in very short manner.. there are many deep and complex themes going through the bible and it takes a deep understanding of the faith to truly comprehend some of those themes, and that requires very simply being in the distortion of that faith.

[AmelieJolie]

brilliant response, thank you ewhaz.

the only thing i have to differ on as far as all this goes, is that any god who condones the slaughter/ sacrifice of animals is not the true god.

if you love someone, ie, our animal brothers and sisters- then you don't kill them, and you don't eat them.

i'm not saying that eating meat is wrong.
what i am saying is that it feels wrong given a choice.

what i am saying is that i feel that the corruption to the "garden of eden" or "the fall"
is based around the "food chain" and animals killing other animals for food. even plants have consciousness.


surely there are higher dimensions where this will no longer be necessary in order to live.

surely a true god who is pure, infinite love.....would not condone killing and sacrifice and blood shed.

what i am saying is that "god" is actually an extra-terrestrial.

i read that the original meaning of the word "god" actually meant gods, plural and it meant "those who came from the sky".

[charles obscure]

this is something i have been discussing a little bit with others, online, yesterday and today. i would like to know if any of you can offer some more feedback on this topic which fascinates me. please tell me anything you may have come up with according to your research.

i'm particularly interested in the story of the garden of eden and by the fact that "god" gave to humans "every herb bearing seed" and to animals "every green herb".

then the lord god refuses cain's vegetarian offering, yet praises abel's blood offering........

there are so many distortions.

who is "good" and who is "evil"?

who was lucifer?

did zachariah sitchin interpret the sumerian tablets accurately?

are we here for a reason?


~just a few questions that obsess me. ;)

perhaps, ~just my humble opinion~ a more enlightening approach would be to search for the unifying themes? - the oneness. all is one. to say i believe in this and this and this etc...but the "true god" would never do this etc, i feel is only reinforcing the idea of seperation within your own mind. the "true god" is in fact everything therefore to suggest that you feel the "true god" is this -- yet not that, by its very nature is a negatively oriented statement reinforcing the concept of seperation regardless of the attributes one is assigning to their so called "god".

i think it is wise to study the qabalah before attempting to extract wisdom out of the old testament. much written in these books of the bible is completely unitelligable without a means of deciphering the true meaning. the key is in the qabalah.

[Ewhaz]

sacrifice in the bible was a significant cornerstone of the faith. the simple idea was that god could not stand sin in his presence at all. he was holy and sin was an abomination to him. first it started with the sacrifice of animals which was traced back to adam having to kill an animal for his skin to cover up his shame after eating the fruit.

after that god demanded a sacrifice for sins. later this would be connected to the sacrifice of christ as being the last sacrifice for all time. the animal sacrifices where symbolic of christ's ultimate sacrifice for our sins. the analogy is about covering sin with a sacrifice, all through the bible it talks about washing in the blood of christ to cover our sins, or more to the point to cleanse them completely.

but that is all biblical, and some people have had there sticky fingers in it from time to time. read it if you like, but do so with prayer and understanding. there is more information about christ outside of the bible, and it says many different things about who and what he was, its hard to know the truth of it all. i think for myself, he was simply the best example on how to live a loving life.

sacrifice is also a great theme in this density too, as cayce might say "there is no love without sacrifice"

its important to understand that the cycle of life is life perpetuating life through sacrifice. plants feed the herbivores, the herbivores feed the carnivores and it goes on and on. you would not be alive today (in the flesh) if something did not sacrifice its energy for you to continue living. eating is simply energy exchange in a very physical form. in the end, those animals die as well, feeding more animals and their remains being incorporated into the ground to start the cycle again.

while there is nothing wrong with feeling that animals are feeling living and breathing entities, try not to let it become such a point that you try to stop the cheetahs and the lions from eating there fill!

in the ra material, they make suggestions that not every one here has always incarnated on earth. that in turn has affected there bodies by some energetic means that there requirements are slightly different than others. thats why some thrive on a vegetarian diet and others on a meat and potatoes type diet. there are some basic vitamins and such that you simply cannot get from a vegan diet that is too restricted, you would have to take supplements to replace them.. and some of those come from animal sources as well!

i always try to feel thankful for the food i get, no matter what it is (and yes i still enjoy a steak once in a while). perhaps the themes of sacrifice are expressing themselves to you for a reason?

[AmelieJolie]

imo, the bible contains words designed to manipulate humanity.

it is astonishing that people still take it seriously.

if you have ever felt a pure bright feeling of love and light pouring into your soul from outside of yourself whilst praying or meditating, you would understand what i mean in the limitations of finite words when i say "the true god".

perhaps the "true god" does not interfere with this world at all, but can be tuned into on the right frequency. ;)

perhaps the "true god" is beyond vibration.

perhaps the "true god" is simply infinite love.


by the way, i do, however believe in the words of jesus (though of course the story was distorted to fit in with many other savior stories). the words of jesus are the only part of the bible i personally feel are spiritually uplifting. very powerful.

of course, he was a member of the essene brotherhood who are vegetarian. :)

we should trust no-one but our inner, higher selves.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

this is my version of god 101. what or which you all wish to believe is up to you...

god or what ever word one wishes to use is a cosmic energy force that is unconditional love.

now being unconditional love, this force can create whatever it wants.

it will "show" you that which you "perceive" as being "good" and that which some consider "bad."

it gives you though the "choice" to decide that which you at every moment will choose what is "important" and what isn't.

for the "source" it is unimportant which you choose.

the "source" gives you these "choices" be they "bad" or "good" in your "eyes."

for the "source" it is neither.

it doesn't care.

for the "source" is all things - good and bad.

in the "end" - all things are "good."

for when you eventually see things for what they "are" and what they "are not" you will then "see" that the "source" has seen through you that which it "is" and that which it "isn't..."

and all will be well ;-)

love always.

david

[AmelieJolie]

actually, i thought after visiting this thread.....that perhaps the bible does have more truth in it than cynical people give it credit for. :) ;)

david,
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/love.gif

love your outlook!

sometimes this site has given me the feeling that my soul is in flight!
on wings of the wisdom.......of beautiful words.


goodnight from me here.
friends across the ocean- enjoy your afternoon/ evening!

[Ewhaz]

the bible has been used to manipulate humanity, yes.. however, there are layers upon layers of wisdom in those pages, it would be foolish to simply through out the 'baby with the bathwater'.

take what you need, leave the rest is my best suggestion with any form of wisdom, even humanists (satanist) have there own great wisdom to share.

and as far as good or bad goes there is a passage in the bible that goes something like this.

i can do anything i like
but not everything will uplift me

basically the message was, sure i could go out and be a heathen and in the end there would be no real harm.. however, not everything i might choose to do will be of benefit to my soul. i'll have to search for the actual scripture some time, its a good one.

and no, i no longer believe in the 'saviour' distortion, my spirituality is much broader now :) but i would not be here to day with the wisdom i have without going through that distortion. it was a blessing.

[h2ochris]

define,define define. how many years will we look for truth by defining the past. while we are distracted by proving who and what we are, the dysfunctions of many grow everyday. i know truth...you know truth. that is all good, mean while the fires burn. just be love....give to mother earth....and know we are one. we may never change the evil....but we can live in peace. it starts with in. i honor all and peace to all.

[AmelieJolie]

ewhaz and h20chris,

love your thoughts.

[h2ochris]

we do feel each others thoughts, we are each others thoughts. we have the power to change this place we see, all that runs through you and me, if only we could stop to believe how much power we can perceive. i agree we must know our past, but we must see what is in front of us and the truth we live in. they were talking about this thousands of years ago and we still are. when do we live it?? so many examples of what doesn't work, why not find ways to fix it? all we have to do is think about it. the truth lies within all of us and comes in many languages and forms. bless any one that wants to share.....peace to all.

[jpstephens2012]

brilliant response, thank you ewhaz.

the only thing i have to differ on as far as all this goes, is that any god who condones the slaughter/ sacrifice of animals is not the true god.

if you love someone, ie, our animal brothers and sisters- then you don't kill them, and you don't eat them.

i'm not saying that eating meat is wrong.
what i am saying is that it feels wrong given a choice.

what i am saying is that i feel that the corruption to the "garden of eden" or "the fall"
is based around the "food chain" and animals killing other animals for food. even plants have consciousness.


surely there are higher dimensions where this will no longer be necessary in order to live.

surely a true god who is pure, infinite love.....would not condone killing and sacrifice and blood shed.

what i am saying is that "god" is actually an extra-terrestrial.

i read that the original meaning of the word "god" actually meant gods, plural and it meant "those who came from the sky".

we don't have to wait for higher dimensions or densities to cease the abominable act of eating. we are already capable of living without consuming our fellow lifeforms in this reality we live in. it takes a period of time to adjust and some discipline to stick to it though. i am finding it quite difficult to do because of where i live. i am unable to see the rising and setting sun due to the trees surrounding my abode. i'm casually looking for a new location where i can see both. below are some links to the information. i have also found indirect references to this fact through materials from another channeler. i've emailed you links to that source already since they don't allow free discussion of alternate sources here.:rolleyes:

[please email jim if you would like to see a you-tube on sungazing-note: it does advertise a specific group]

[WeR1]

" are we here for a reason?" (ameliejolie)

i think i saw this in a link from dc;
christ hovering in an upright position, saying in effect ~ we are here to raise our vibration.

individually, collectively; as one

[h2ochris]

how many teachers will there have to be, until we hear what it is they have to say. this is the part that gets me. so many know, even the ones that think they don't.....know!!!!! this is why it only comes down to you and what ever god represents for you and the daily truth with your actions. the real goal is to know who you are...live in peace.....and truly be happy...give thanks for all.....then you are doing good. peace to all!!!!!!!!

[dariusdjc]

i would like to believe that. i however believe there is more to it and that good/bad are just illusions. a distortion to the law of one. it does not matter which path is chosen for both service to self or service to others leads back to oneness. i believe this distortion is intentional as it creates a motivation to learn, gain wisdom, and seek, which ultimately ends in a merging of all experiences into a conscious unity complex.

when we look at the yin yang for example we see dark and white as opposites yet both of them combined do make up the whole. in the same respect we would not know good if we didn't have bad and we wouldn't know bad if we didn't have good. we would know neither if this distortion and free will did not exist and if these experiences did not exist, we would have nothing to base our knowledge on, for all knowledge is gained from experience whether it be good or bad, which s a result of the distortion which created our free choice between good (service to others) and evil (service to self).

when you look at the law of one you notice ra speaks of the naivety of them attempting to help us because they evolved differently and didn't have all the experiences we had. it was harder for them to assist when asked. they didn't do anything wrong because right and wrong are just illusions. the path of wisdom is taken on when you can meld the good and bad experiences for this creates wisdom from experience.

i believe we each have a choice which path we choose in the game, but we should remember evil as we think it or service to self will always exist in 3rd density and continues on to forth after we graduate by to choosing what path suits us due to the distortion and is it a catalyst for knowledge and growth, else we would possibly be stagnant. water does not move if it lays level in a cup. it moves when you hurl or drop stones in it or pour it out. adding something different and unexpected. if we knew not of evil, that would mean we would not have a choice for all we would know is good. we would be like the water without stones being dropped in it or someone pouring it out. unchanged.

this is the beauty of it all. the distortion and free will is the ultimate catalyst for love/fear then knowledge based of the love (service to others) or fear (service to others) path.

just my two cents :)

love and peace to all!

[h2ochris]

there are many ways to say the same thing. i believe that the greatest truths are short and sweet, then we define them. i never said anything about good or bad, if your action pleases you, then that may be your truth. there will always be a dichotomy of realities. personally i have witnessed to live good in your heart, listen to your truths and actually care...then life seems to bring that energy. we are energy, all of this...we are what we think..all of it..everything. may love prevail, there is always peace for anyone that desires it. you are right..there is no up without down....but that is why we can think about it, what we choose to do with it, is up to us or our choice to be down with it. peace to all...good and bad!!!!

[Babyblue]

i have thought about this topic a lot myself also, the truth is such a passion for me.
i have read the biible and come to the conclusion that a lot of the god's were infact alien beings, angels are alien beings in another dimension, these are the same gods that the egyptians, greeks and romans prayed to apollo zues etc. its obvious from our history that aliens have been here in every culture the same creation story exists that brothers came from the starts and began civilisation. i'm not saying they were evil or good, some were service to self and some are service to others.
query 1: would god ask a man to cut off his foreskin?
2: is god angry and jealous?
3: does god need a cloud ship to move around?
4: do the 10 commandments really sound as if god , the ultimate life form, wrote them?
5: would god teaze and test a human like a cat with a mouse? (abraham and his son)

i'm sure a lot of truth exists in religious books if one has eyes to see through the "gunk" but i'm also sure that a lot of it is aliens and not god.

thats my thoughts.
but there is a god, look inside and you will hear his/her words for yourself.
love babyblue

[12thUranus]

i'm sure a lot of truth exists in religious books if one has eyes to see through the "gunk" but i'm also sure that a lot of it is aliens and not god.


aliens as the "gods" in the bible is a very agreeable inference.

i jumped on board the bible, full force, from day one 16 years ago. slowly but surly, i've come to conclude there isn't a single truth in it. i am just now, this year, reading it from a perspective that it doesn't hold any true spirituality in it. i am seeing that it is a book of stories whose ultimate goal is to convince its reader that they are not capable of thinking on their own and they should hand over all decisions to the "spiritually elite." from there, every story invokes fear and guilt, no way around it, imo. i've just re-written the first 8 chapters of the first book of the new testament to read as i see it's hidden meaning (manipulation).

anyway, i agree that aliens could certainly be transposed for the gods, but it also appears believable that every word of it is made up. i am more inclined to the latter these days.:cool:

[onething]

12th uranus,

you mean you don't see a huge difference between the amount of truth and spirituality between the old testament and the new?

for me, when i thought about it and after reading sitchin and others about aliens and human civilization, it made a lot of sense that jehovah was one of the annunaki, and indeed one of the worst. after that i looked at the old testament more objectively, and while i could say much about the character of this jehovah dude, the point i want to make is that the old testament says nearly nothing about spirituality. it is almost entirely a historical chronicle. it speaks of jehovah or god and the assumption is that there is something very spiritual being discussed. but it isn't. it is merely the long tale of a particular tribe in their relationship with jehovah, who seems intent on building a territory to rule over.

the bhagavad gita says, "for the soul there is neither birth nor death, and is not slain when the body is slain."

the old testament has nothing comparable.

at times, in gratitude, the old patriarchs and prophets might build a little shrine and have an offering. but this isn't really very spiritual. and there is very little in it by way of the usual teaching that religion gives about prayer, meditation, uplifting ideas about god, abstract ideas about god or existence, or how to improve oneself.

[Foghorn]

to answer the topic above - man

from a post on this thread:

i believe that the greatest truths are short and sweet, then we define them.

1. god does not need religion.

2. man needs religion, therefore, the educated man invented religion to control and
manipulate those uneducated or given permission/trained to think,

3. no king//queen, emperor, ruler, potentate, president or government existed
without the "crafty clergy" with their myths/religion at their side.

4. if god didn't want us to think, we would not have a mind.


hell was also invented by man in the 3rd century around the council of nicaea to consolidate the roman church and other churches. emperor constantine offered to make christianity the state religion if everyone (300+ men) agreed on their beliefs so they came up with the trinity and made jesus god at this time. think about the chutzpah of these men at the council to do that 325 years after jesus was alleged to be born and never made a claim he was god.:rolleyes:

no one knows who presided at this council gathering after constantine opened the meeting. very strange. hell is not mentioned in the old testament, yet added to the nt to stimulate fear for their anticipated fund raising campaign called 'indulgences" which lasted centuries.

reincarnation is in the ot with the story of nebuchadnezzar and another place i have since forgot, yet they deleted reincarnation from the new testament. it really didn't matter since less than 2% of the population could read and those who could would never see one of the 50 manuscripts emperor constantine commissioned exclusively for the priest craft. who really knows if the 50 were all exact copies from the 3rd century, who got one as you know they didn't take one home after the conference? the fact they do not have a distribution list is not important. the following is important. why weren't the original manuscripts preserved that were used to write the 50? :eek: - after all, this is purported to be the holy word of god?

vanishing "original manuscripts" are not exclusive to the christian religion. it exists with islam and other religions as well. man can be so sloppy and careless with important original documents because it works to claim their handiwork is the word of god.

after the 3rd century, the newly commissioned "constantine bible" manuscripts did not leave the tight fists of the priest craft for almost 12 centuries during which time people were told what to believe. from the 15 century till 1901, only the most wealthy could afford the holy book. after 1901 the american bible was printed and available for the common man...if they could afford it. keep in mind - in 2009 you need $260.00 to buy what $10.00 bought in 1901. the impact of the recent bank bailouts do not permit extrapolating the number for 2010. maybe $300.00+or - is needed to obtain the purchasing power of $10.00 at the beginning of the century.

the 3rd century project would be the equivalent of someone asking you and 300+ people to take your pad and writing stick - then start composing history from 1685 backward to the beginning of time. when everyone is finished come together, reach an agreement on the information everyone gathered from numerous sources and write a book together harmoniously. no leader or computers allowed. how long would it take, how many concessions would you have to make deviating from your integrity/principles and would the final product be accurate? you can understand how tired everyone must have been in the 3rd century wanting to go home, thereby, the numerous glitches in the ot and nt.
man was born a manipulator as no one taught us how to lie,

there is no good/bad. only what is....and god/creator exists.
just not the way we were told when we were young. president thomas jefferson
figured it out in the 1800's when he took a razor, cut out sections and made his own
bible. it's available to read on the internet.

take what resonates and leave the rest.

[Babyblue]

i can see all your points of view and understand how you could come to your conclusions, i myself at one point saw the bible as the devils religion, but then i understood that it still had some light, some truths, even if just to reveal to us about the aliens, floods, history etc. i also found the dead sea scrolls to be very enlightening. i think everything has its time and place and for whatever reason we decided to go through this illusion and all its ups and downs. fascinating is the word i would use :-))
what a joy to have a mind to even think about these things hey? how blessed we are.
thanks guys for your thoughts on this topic which is very much in my mind right now for whatever reason.......love peace babyblue x

[12thUranus]

enlightenment would be the key word here, babyblue.
certainly, i can't deny the bible was an integral vehicle that passengered me to my current level of enlightenment. but it is also very relevant now that enlightenment does come from within. it's hard to define enlightenment. is it more than letting go, tearing down a wall, unlocking a mental door, accepting something new?
the perspective i desired when picking up the bible for the first time was the enlightenment, not so much the words it contained but rather my mental capacity to accept a new idea (as i look in retrospect). at a point unknown my "enlightenment" hit a new ceiling, from which i was locked in a new box of my own making. then i chose to open a door to believe in aliens. then astrology. then reincarnation, channeling, ndes, and so on.

aha! i'm looking at my post right now, asking "what box am i in now?".
thank you much for enlightening me today babyblue. or rather, helping me look for a new door to open from within :).

"what door can i open today!"

[Babyblue]

we are very good at these boxes aren't we! lol
and great summary foghorn

[_X_]

crazy to think it's been years since ameliejolie's original questions. i hope you've experienced some clarity since beginning your seeking.


i'm particularly interested in the story of the garden of eden and by the fact that "god" gave to humans "every herb bearing seed" and to animals "every green herb".

if you haven't looked into jordan maxwell's work on the hebrew bible and the weird stuff in the book of genesis, you're missing out. while i don't agree with 100% of what he says, what he gets at is pretty spot on. if parts of the bible don't make sense to you, then it may be because it's nonsense. if you've ever played a poorly translated video game, you know the feeling-- with the bible, all the good stuff got edited out, either via various committee meetings or censored state translations.

first of all, there's more than one god mentioned. the hebrews weren't monotheistic, but rather henotheistic, meaning choosing one god from many. yhvh is the confederation contact mentioned by ra in the lo1. the channel became distorted, and thus the message became tainted with sts influences.

so, maxwell's take on the book of genesis-- according to more scholarly references, it wasn't so much that this character created the planet and humans from scratch, but "refashioned" them from the crap that was there before. this coincides with lo1 when ra says yhvh modified humans to more easily grasp the universal laws and intelligent infinity.

and it wasn't just one character-- this entity says, "come let us make man in our image." maxwell has some talks up somewhere on the internet that cover the bible oddities. i would be willing to bet the original manuscripts would read more like dune or some kind of weird sci-fi from a stone age point of view...


then the lord god refuses cain's vegetarian offering, yet praises abel's blood offering........

it's been believed that this symbolic of the schism between the hunter-gatherer society and the agricultural society as observed in anthropology. humans went from spending 12 hours or so a week to get their nutritional needs, to working 40-60+ hours in an agrarian city-state culture, where their nutritional needs were not met and some guy got to take all their stuff. it is interesting how this "lord" character favors the blood offering of livestock over the hunter-gatherer offering, essentially dictating the way of life for the human species, and seals the deal on cain later when cain perhaps has some misgivings about where everything was going.

and then this lord character marks him so that these other people won't jack him as soon as he leaves the protected area... what's going on here? i was told the population of the entire planet was exactly 3 people at this point. what "other people"?

it is also important to note that japanese mythology has a story much like cain and abel. the story of umisachi and yamasachi is so ridiculously close it's bizarre. one brother is a hunter, another is a fisher (the equivalent of agriculture in ancient japan). they decide to trade jobs for a day. umisachi goes hunting, and yamasachi goes fishing. but yamasachi loses his brother's fishing hook, and goes into the sea to look for it. and eventually he goes to meet the "kami", god/king, of the sea, who lives in a palace that distorts time, and winds up marrying the guy's daughter. he eventually returns, and he and his brother try to kill each other over him losing umisachi's fishing hook (or something like that), but they eventually reconcile.

but then the princess gets pregnant and tells yamasachi not to watch her while she's giving birth. but he does anyway, and he discovers that the girl is really this shape-shifting lizard creature. she tells him that although he will get to keep the kid, she'll have to go back into the ocean and live with her dad again, now that he's seen her true form.

and the kid becomes the first emperor that all succeeding emperors trace their back lineage to...

very. very. weird.

but its weirdness has more to do with how preposterously coincidental that story is with other stories from around the world...


there are so many distortions.

in this age, we live in a sandbox, where people are comfortable making inductive conclusions based on limited experience, and then assert the universality and infallibility of these experiences. if someone lived in the shire their whole life, they wouldn't have a reason to believe some dark lord of mordor was out there, and would probably have a hard time believing it and would seriously debate anyone who said there was.

so far as other kinds of distortions, the sts-sto polarity and the different intelligences that exist in nature, reptilian-insectoid vs. mammalian, is something someone has to observe for themselves. but once you get it, everything becomes more clear...

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who was lucifer?

the name "lucifer" is a localization quirk, given by st. jerome when translating the bible into vulgate (common) latin. the verse in isaiah actually references a babylonian king, and has nothing to do with satan or the devil ("satan" is first mentioned in the book of job, and it is a title given to the angel in the conversation with god at the beginning of the story which simply means "oppositioner" or "accuser" as in a court of law, and not some evil demigod character). the poetic epithet used to describe this particular king as a "son of the dawn", was meant to evoke imagery of golden regalia. in hebrew it made sense one way, so the only way for it to make sense in latin was to use the epithet for the morning star, lucifer, also known as eosphoros in greek. it was only much later that the mythology morphed into lucifer as the devil, font of evil, ruler of hell, and so forth...

http://www.lds-mormon.com/lucifer.shtml

the illuminati, however, because they are occultists and eclectics, pick and choose their heroes in each tradition they encounter through the ages. in babylon it was nimrod and semiramis; in egypt it was horus and hathor (or horus and isis, depending on when you pick the myth up); in greece it was apollo and athena; and in christianity, it's lucifer and lilith (?).

the name horus, or "heru", is where we get the word "hero". the hero myth is really their religion, and it's all over the place...

http://everything2.com/title/the+hero+pattern

so the illuminati, drawing from this particular religious book, whereas most people choose the character jesus to emulate, they chose another character, lucifer. notice how all the epic good vs. evil stuff isn't in the hebrew bible, nor is the heaven or hell mythology spelled out anywhere (how could it? "hell" is a germanic word).


did zachariah sitchin interpret the sumerian tablets accurately?

the only thing i would add is from what i understand the word "annunaki" doesn't literally translate to "those who from heaven to earth came", but rather more like "those of the princely line". but really, that's what happened-- a bunch of these gods came down from heaven to earth, marduk told them all what to do, and proceeded to rule over the planet and the humans on it. again, it shows some kind of crossroads in the development of human civilization-- at one point, life was a certain way, but then the "gods"/ the "lord" favored this centralized way of life, and proceeded to dictate things via their half-breed progeny.

take that to mean whatever you will...


are we here for a reason?

we're here to create and to experience being and existence. that would be the case no matter where you are. but so far as life in 3d goes, to pick which path to take-- sts or sto, the left hand or right hand path. if you're a wanderer, i think it's still important to try, but obviously, things may be a little different in your case if that's true...

[Babyblue]

but then the princess gets pregnant and tells yamasachi not to watch her while she's giving birth. but he does anyway, and he discovers that the girl is really this shape-shifting lizard creature. she tells him that although he will get to keep the kid, she'll have to go back into the ocean and live with her dad again, now that he's seen her true form.

and the kid becomes the first emperor that all succeeding emperors trace their back lineage to...

very. very. weird.



truly very weird, there must be some truth in it. thank you for sharing this japanese tail, its very close to the chinese emperor story also, but in their story its linked more to dragons coming from above and giving birth to the first emperor.
the taoists also speak of the brotherhood of light coming down to gift the first tao master the knowledge of the tao (the way)
i strongly believe our past is riddled with "brothers and sisters from the stars", the way i gauge if these aliens were benevolent or malevolent is by seeing how the givers of the knowledge are described...as gods or as brothers. i would say gods means "ego" and brothers means "guide/helper" as in chinese we say older brother or teacher.
and any one who claims to be god incarnate, a special one, different and more god then any one else, i say, blah! we are all one, we are all god, no one is more god then another.
these are the things i look at when deciding what to believe and who. mainly i just try to rely on my own common sense, logic, love and intuition.
love babyblue

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yeah, the myth of the yellow emperor has been a case in point for the ancient astronaut theory. miraculous birth (either dragons or lightning are involved), he unifies and rules china, invents a bunch of stuff, lives to be a hundred, then gets picked up by flying dragons. hmmm...

made even more remarkable by the fact that most civilizations/cultures have some kind of formulaic, great teacher story. it could all be written off as fiction, or some psychological need humans have hard wired in them as a result of evolution.

but we're here exploring the other option-- something was going on. these people, on different sides of the planet, weren't sitting around making stuff up. they were trying to communicate what was going on and how their civilization came to be. and as fantastic as it all sounds, if this was their historic record, yeah sure maybe there are some embellishments (if modern history is any indication of what's possible), but then there might be something true to it, as bizarre as it sounds. it's much more simple and direct to suppose this, rather than coming up with all these unnecessary theories that work to reinforce a reality bias, or some kind of presupposed culturalism. we weren't there way back then, who knows?? you can't say for sure.

but so far as supposed gods go, you don't have to be some deity to demand people's subservience. and it's not just religion-- it happens in science, academia, politics, pop culture, basically wherever there's human interaction. it's regressive sts behavior. if that's what people want, they have the right to choose that. but it's inaccurate to say that bad behavior is limited to a any particular faction (no one here has suggested that, just saying).

again, this goes back to understanding the sts-sto structure. one is a pyramid scheme, the other isn't. once this is grasped, it becomes evident why these two polarities simply can't coexist at the higher levels like they do in 3d. consider an ecosystem-based point of view, in addition to an individual's motives. a carnivore can't live in a herbivore environment (assuming it can't kill anything), and definitely not the other way around.

there is a difference between gods and "the one". erewhile, the different laws that ra mentions, the law of one, the law of sacredness, etc., must still be considered.

but these annunaki, chitauri, orions, etc., got the first dibs on this cycle of human civilization, which is why for many societies the cradle was these centralized city-states ruled by god kings. but it doesn't detract from who we are, as holographic fractal representations of the one. we exist, we create. but we must choose what we want to create, and what we want to be.

like oma desala said to daniel jackson in the stargate tv series, "compared to the universe we are insignificant, and we cannot change what is meant to be, but one thing we small creatures do have is to choose whether we are good or evil."

[Babyblue]

_x_ i love stargate, your speaking my language there honey.... :-))
i also think the pyramid is an out dated structure for our society, the feudal system, the one ruling the many. we need more of a circle, the energy moves around and everyone is a part of that circle.
blessings, and oneness babyblue xxx

[Psion 3-K]

the god that rules most of modern society in all of its erratic, fear fueled doctrine is the blue pill god whereas the real one is the red pill god. if you are reading this, then you have probably chosen to take the red pill from the god of truth.

modern religion is ruled by all kinds of negative forces. those forces are the individuals whom dictate a message of control and restraint of free will. you have to of seen the matrix movie to instantly get the analogy i am making here, but for those who have not, it goes like this. i won't describe the plot of the movie at length but i'll share my ideas based of the way it actually is in real life. the matrix trilogy is a science fiction martial arts epic which centers around the idea that people are living in an illusion world called 'the matrix'. it is a digital world meant to keep them as slaves to a group of evil machine overlords.

the real world has something very similar going on; refer to my quote if you want it all summed up in a few short sentences. in modern times there is a small basket of dominant 'one true religions' that will 'help you know god' in an 'official' sense. but that is only the selling point of it and in reality what any fear based, biased religion aims to do is take control over something you have, most likely your material wealth. they want everything for themselves so what they do is strike the fear of god into you and make you feel as if doing fun things in life will have you sent straight to hell. in christianity, your sins are tolerable as long as you are always a member of the church and never stop believing in christ. this ensures two things.

one: a mind that is ruled by fear is malleable and likely to easily bend to the will of another.

two: in some cases people will forsake all of their potential material wealth thus eliminating them as a source of competition of what they may have gained.

there is a whole evil machine much more complex than this in the way it takes you away from your own divinity, but these two the most important aspects of what corrupted religion does. if you subscribe to a fear based religion, you are taking the blue pill, which in the movie means that you are refusing your chance to break free of the machines. in real life, you walk the path of a sleepwalker, always the victim in your life and never realizing that your negative experience is a result of your disconnection with your inherent power. it is easy for the blue pills to justify their misery because their religion says it is required of them; they must offer their suffering up to the lord so that they will 'get into heaven' when they pass over...

red pills decide to wake up and take on whatever temporary pain that may entail. for the blue pills, they are satisfied because through a perversion of a once pure scripture, everything will fix itself by default. in christianity the blood of christ is all you have to believe in but this only absolves your responsibility for your life, not your actual 'sins'. by believing you must suffer through christ you are not fixing your 'originally sinful' nature (which does not exist, by the way), you are unwittingly abandoning all responsibility for your own life. this has done nothing but cause the world chaos over the centuries. obviously. to sum all that up, the negative 'gods' of modern religion are the teachers of the false beliefs which revolve around fearing god.

those that fervently preach the 'word of god' and get all kinds of 'righteous hatred' riled up towards the people who cannot be redeemed (the red pills, ironically the ones that are actually free) are the wires, cables and agents of the system keeping you firmly imprisoned. but just like in the matrix film, that prison is a complete illusion and goes away as soon as your higher self, which in the movie is represented by the character morpheous in a certain sense, gives you the red pill and you take it. it will keep trying to get it to you, but every time a person denies the red pill and whatever experience it is represented by, the story ends, they wake up in their beds, and believe whatever they want to believe... in this case that fear and suffering is right.

so take the red pill. most people here have, but if you are a guest whom is unfamiliar with the mission of divine cosmos and see this message, perhaps this is your calling... i hope you take it seriously.