Dieting

[Understanding]

this has to be one of the hardest things to do. just for the fact of what to eat. some doctors say soy is good some say it is bad, some say this is bad or that is bad. so i am lost of what to eat and what not to eat should i be vegan and not eat meat or mix it up. this is another paradox because in order to eat meat a animal must die, is that what the animal chose at their incarnation or what any got any clear opinions or suggestions?

[MarkM]

you've raised an interesting question regarding the fact that animals die in order for us to eat meat.

even for a vegan plants have to die, and this is the way the world is set up. even the human body becomes food for worms!

i heard it said once that the service provided to humans by livestock is a sacred one, accepted by the animal soul before incarnation. many domesticated animals wouldn't even exist as species, were it not for human reliance on animal proteins.

maybe this is a way that some animals have a chance to work on their own soul evolution, and maybe this at the same time is something that needs to fall by the wayside, as an unnecessary and cruel way for humans to live.

now i'm not in the habit of over-eating or snacking between meals, so i choose what i eat with maximal nutrition in mind. i go to the supermarket at lunchtime everday from work, and listen to what my body tells me, and buy 2 or 3 bucks worth of fresh fruit and veggies, (an apple, pear, orange or what ever i feel that day) and maybe a small amount of meat or chicken if i have the urge, and a multi-grained bun to put it on.

my instincts tell me to eat fresh, as though the still living cellular structure of fresh foods better holds a vital life force.

intuition also tells me to eat a large variety of things, so from the deli counter i might get one olive, two cherry tomatoes, one baby carrot, a bit of broccoli or cauliflower or what have you, one tiny stick of celery, one boiled asparagus shoot, one slice of mango, one slice of kiwi fruit, one or two cherries, a sliver of canteloupe, a cube of cheese, etc, etc.

to be honest, once every couple of months or so, i'll get a triple burger with cheese, and fries, when the urge hits. but i'm not going to lose any sleep over it, unless i eat it too close to bedtime!

mark

[Detlef]

i personally trust only my own system, when it comes to the appropriateness of a certain food or food product.
my standard question is: is this food appropriate for my body, and if i touch or place my attention to a certain food i will get a response, this can be neural, to very positive, strong, or feel empty, negative.
by now i know which foods i best avoid, and which i should eat, but there are still big differences in how they are processed if at all, how fresh a fruit or vegetable is. (i still like sweets and biscuits and cakes, even so i should avoid them)
in regards to eating meat, i belief very strongly, if someone should not eat meat, he will know it. i was told very clearly, eating any animals is not acceptable, also anything that will alter my perception, like alcohol, coffee and so on.
i don't belief in forcing oneself into a particular habit or behavior. if one is comfortable in eating certain meats of fish, that is great.
acknowledging and thanking the animal of providing you with nourishment would be positive for all involved.

regards detlef

[addalight]

i think it's a very personal choice. i've gone back and forth with being a vegetarian. sometimes it just bothers me to eat meat. i used to be ok with eating fish. probably because i could bait a hook before i knew my abc's, but now it seems that bothers me too. i don't like how we are detached from our food . i've always felt, if i wasn't willing to kill it then i shouldn't be eating it. i think the less processed something is the better. pesticides are obviously bad so organic is good if you can get it and afford it, unless you live in lake woebegon and have to shop at ted's pretty good grocery, where,"if we don't have it, you probably don't need it". noticing how your body feels when you eat or don't eat something is helpful. i guess the bottomline is i agree with what everbody else has posted.

[Lorigga]

[note: this is a quote from dw's 'divine cosmos'. you can read the enitire diet discourse by clicking on the url after the quote-thank you lorigga!]


intuitive burnout

in the next paragraph, we receive information about ramanujan’s
health. at first, our inclusion of this
information may seem tangential and unrelated
to the point, but actually it is not.
it seems that for a person to work with
these higher psychic energies, they need
to be extremely well grounded. the work
can take a tremendous toll on their lives,
even leading to death.

always in poor health, the austerity of the war-torn british economy
prevented ramanujan from maintaining his
strict vegetarian diet, and he was constantly
in and out of sanitariums. after collaborating
with hardy for 3 years, ramanujan fell
ill and never recovered. world war i interrupted
travel between england and india, and
in 1919 he finally managed to return home,
where he died a year later. (pg. 176.)

the story of the death of ramanujan does closely parallel the story
of many psychics. it is quite common in
abduction literature, eastern mystical
arts and psychic circles for vegetarian
diets to be a necessary component to achieving
contact with higher dimensions. the author’s
own higher self insists upon this, and
in the case of the “awakening”
of well-known psychic gordon michael scallion,
he suddenly found that could not eat the
foods outside of the diet without getting
violently, physically ill. the extraterrestrials
working with whitley strieber told him
in the book transformation that he would
physically die if he didn’t follow
the diet that he was given, which centered
around the need to give up refined sugar.

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=59&itemid=36

[billybobbutterball]

this has to be one of the hardest things to do. just for the fact of what to eat. some doctors say soy is good some say it is bad, some say this is bad or that is bad. so i am lost of what to eat and what not to eat should i be vegan and not eat meat or mix it up. this is another paradox because in order to eat meat a animal must die, is that what the animal chose at their incarnation or what any got any clear opinions or suggestions?

hi, mr. understanding

there is much info and understanding to be found in the archives on nutrition.... just put in a subject such as food diet, and you will get more than what you really want to know :d

there was also past discussion on the positive interaction concerning a hunter and his prey. despite the negativity perceived it turns out that the concentrated attention of the 3d hunter drawn to such a 2nd dimensional entity as a deer would be enough spiritual input to help that particular animal differentiate itself from the deer group soul -- with the beneficial result that it would later qualify for being kicked upstairs to 3d consciousness.

only a relatively few people can thrive an a vegan diet. much depends on your particular blood type. type os are the ones who generally require meat. but that doesn't mean we have to resort to the inhumane and over-done gigantic food factories that are a blight on our group soul.

the very high-minded ghandi and his close followers tried to be vegans, but their health failed after time and they had to relax their well meant resolution by finally including at least some small amounts of animal products. hey! we are being hosted by a 2d animal body throughout this earthly experience so we need to cater to some of its biological quirks.

the questionable soy question? i no longer use it.

best, etc. bill g. aka billybobomega3 :)

[leo scone]

i have a good friend who is blackfoot indian and very traditional. he has done the sundance and has many amazing stories of his experiences as a native human. anyway, there is a buddhist temple near here and somehow the buddhist monks asked him to participate in a special ceremony with them up in the mountains. so they went up and performed their high-energy sacred ceremony, and when they were done the monks said, "mmm, we're very hungry. let's go down into medford and get some burgers."

and so they did, at some greasy little burger joint. my friend said the burgers were really good!

but he also pointed out that it isn't so much what you eat as how you eat it. to him with his native human understanding and to the buddhist monks with their wisdom, the food is sacred, period. in the simple blessing of, and foremost in the gratitude for the food itself, sacred as it is, the food is transmuted, is enervated with life energy, is safe to eat even at a greasy burger joint in medford or.

don't forget dr. emoto's work with water and that whatever type of food we choose to eat is likely made up of a high percentage of water! our thoughts about our food and eating count too.

not that i've got enough juju to go out and transmute a bunch of chili-dogs and chocolate shakes all the time! but combining a consciousness about food along with the basics - keeping it as fresh and organic as possible and listening to the bodies needs and requests - is for me the most balanced approach.

i tend to feel one should avoid any rigorous or rigid dieting that is conceptually based, as in one "believes" they should eat a certain way because it is right (so says some doctor/author with a new book out) or because "enter name of overblown media personality here" lost 5 pounds on this diet!

as well i don't think it should become too much of a moral issue for us. it just tends to open oneself to too many opportunities that their energy be drained through the inevitable guilt at any foible or fault during the diet.

i work as a chef, and even if i can offer people "healthy" food, i cannot make their choices for them, so as a beacon i just try to understand that in cooking i get opportunity for sto work, that i get to manipulate/co-create with the elementals (earth, water, fire, air, and aether abound in a kitchen!),
and that i impart something of myself to each meal. i let that part be light and love as much as possible. (indeed, if all the csi type shows on tv are right i can't help but leave a part of myself in all i make - my dna!)

my more off-the-wall approach to the question?

one cow, one scream, many people fed. one vegetarian, one mouth-full of sprouts, many, many screams, and one skinny guy probable still a little hungry. then i'll point out the everything is made of light. some frequencies are just more palatable than others.

pardon the blahblahblah!

love, blessings, and abundance,

frank-o

[Ewhaz]

i would agree with most everything here... though at the moment the best that i can do is still getting processed foods from the local market. unfortunately organic foods and such are a bit pricier than the rest, but if you can do it it's for the best. i think the optimum diet is one that is low in animal proteins but doesn't exclude them all together. there are things you can get from meat that you simply can't get from most vegetables, some of the b vitamins and such.

the seth material had addressed this as well and it mirrors what leo scone had mentioned about the monks. he said basically that food was meant to be appreciated, if you took it for granted in any way you diminished it's ability to nourish you. if you appreciated it, the nutrition was available to it's full extent. this was also addressed in the celestine prophesy to some extent.

belief systems are also very important as well regarding everything in general. if you believe that your food can make you sick, then it can be given that power. i examine my belief systems every once in a while and try to weed them out so to speak. the seth material covered belief systems very deeply, almost as if to say that every negative or positive aspect of your life was the direct result of a belief system. while this probably isn't the diet information you wanted, it could be considered a good bit of it.

believe that food is good and necessary for your continued survival, and apprieciate the food you get, no matter the source.

[Babyblue]

i just read david's diet recommendations and have to say , i do feel some are good but as a kundalini active person who has inner promtings as to what food i have to eat, i cannot agree with the vegan life style.
my kundalini demands i eat organic eggs and often beef and my vibration is rising like wild fire. i'm not so sure that this list given can apply to everyone, maybe it applies to david but not everyone. i do agree with the raw veggies, can't do better then fresh raw veggies with some extra virgin olive oil and sea salt in my mind. and white bread and white rice....yuck.

i think its better to listen to your own inner voice when it comes to diet, let no outer voice tell you what to eat unless it resonates with something you already know to be true.
no disrespect to the old dw (gotta love him) but a bit extreme:
this is black/ this is white.

what do you guys think?

lots of love
babyblue x x x

[Bill]

babyblue,

as is the quest for enlightenment, i believe there are a million 'right' diets, and only one 'right' diet, whichever is the one you choose.

for me, i found that following the atkins lifestyle made tremendous changes in my weight, energy and other vital measurements. but, i know that diet does not work well for others. i can also tell that i need protein to satisfy my diet, and that usually means some sort of animal meat.

now, does that mean that a year from now it will still be true? no, i actually think it will swing to more of a vegan type diet... i have had several reflections on how i feel about the harvesting of animals just to feed me, and i know that is due to change.

[Purple Dragon]

i think it is also important to be aware of how much food we are eating, not just what kind of food. personally when i go to eat i try and ask myself how much food i want to eat, then cut down on that amount before cooking/eating it and it has helped me drop quite a few pounds.

also i truly believe that trying to eat mostly organic helps as well, as the energy vibes in the food make your body absorb the nutrients better. tho not also possible, its good to try :)

[NancyA]

hello everyone! have enjoyed learning your perspectives on diet.

i do believe that one of the more arcane aspects is the one that many of you have alluded to: one's attitude towards food is an energy that is very real, yet it cannot be specified in a one-size-fits-all fashion.

there are raw foodists today, for example, who will tell you about all the nutrients that are cooked away when food goes above a temperature of 105 degrees. but it wouldn't "fit their model" to acknowledge that a reverent or grateful attitude is often an ameliorating or even a negative-canceling aspect. it's not really quantifiable, and it gets into a spiritual angle that might generate more confusion than anything else.

that being said, i've been an erstwhile student of alternative modalities in nutrition and healing for over 4 years, ever since i had an acute health situation that really served as a butt-kick for waking up. :) at the time, i was still knee-deep in fear-based christology, so with my current perspective i can acknowledge that a fear-based belief system certainly played a part in the illness.

i tend towards a vegan diet, mainly because i feel better when 80 percent of my diet is from non-animal sources, and mostly raw. but my life situation, a big part of which is to be loving and kind to my children and friends, means that i often must eat whatever is served. i am very blessed that i do not have food allergies or intolerances, and thus i do not have to require others to "jump through hoops" to serve what will be agreeable to me. i don't want to be viewed as a high-maintenance, intolerable sort. there are many who would view my diet as a sign that i'm judging them for eating things that i don't eat. so i rarely mention my dietary preferences.

i've heard the term "flexitarian," and i think it's a mostly apt description of my diet. i occasionally eat meat and will often choose fish. i avoid highly-processed foods. and after reading the posts on this thread, i feel much better about my choices, including those "lapses" that inevitably occur!

[onething]

ha, ha. i went to the new york conference, sat all day on saturday, and much to my horror, at about 11 pm i noted that, for the first time in my life (i'm 51) my feet had swollen. this alarmed me quite a lot, and i decided then and there that i must lose 30 pounds. unfortunately, i already eat very well, shop only at the health food store, never drink soft drinks, buy mostly grass fed and/or humanely raised meat and drink raw milk products. but probably i eat too much! and i love bread...my blood pressure has been borderline for about 10 years.

here's what i am doing. on monday, wednesday and friday i eat only fruits vegetables and nuts. mostly raw but some cooked vegetables.

on the other days i eat meat or dairy, but no grains at all.

in all this time, i've lost just 3 pounds so far and i am surprised at how sustaining these fruits and vegetables are. but i am beginning to feel a new sense of well being, i wake up more alert, and my blood pressure has been good. i will probably maintain this habit for the rest of my life. because i had to make some changes or become a typical fat, middle-aged person with health problems.

at the conference, david had given some advice about eating raw fruits and vegetables and nuts for the photons or something they contain, to feed the energy body. so that was part of my decision, as well as my long-time interest in diet and what makes people healthy. people quit meat but in my opinion they would do much better for their health by quitting processed foods (grains) and sugars. hunter-gatherers don't eat agricultural grains.

i love animals and find it a bit hard that this whole material world is built upon one thing eating another and morphing into another, but that is how it is. in my opinion, treating animals well is far more important than whether we eat them at all.

but everything is sacred. everything.

[Just Be]

“so eat always from the table of god: the fruits of the trees, the grain and grasses of the field, the milk of beasts, and the honey of bees. for everything beyond this is of satan, and leads by the way of sins and of diseases unto death.”

jesus was an essene...and the passage above talks about what they ate.

god created grains specifically to be consumed by human beings. it contains phytic acid to prevent animal from eating our food. this is also why are suppose to be soaking the grains/nuts (to remove the phytic acid - which can rob your body of vital nutrients) prior to eating. a vast majority of bread/grains/cereal/nuts sold today are not soaked properly for it to be nutritious.

you also noticed in the passage above he doesnt mention anything about vegetables. some vegetables should be cooked to be more digestible. if u want to get nutrition from vegetables, u need to eat 1 lbs of it per day...which is unpractical for majority of us.

the essene ate "grasses of the field" aka wheatgrass. unlike vegetables, you dont need much of it to get the nutritional values.

this makes alot of sense to me...b/c grains and wheatgrass are very easy and inexpensive to obtain and grow. god did this on purpose...otherwise, only the people in affluent environments can be healthy, and all poor people would be ill of malnutrition.

the other big misconception is that people think cereal is healthy. there was an experiment on mice who ate only cereal, and one who ate nothing at all. the one who ate cereal died more quickly than the one who starved with nothing to eat.

dr weston a price foundation discovered that during the manufacturing process of cereal, all the nutrients were extruded out of the cereal.

this is just one of the very many misconception about what is healthy. pasteurized milk (especially skim), agave nectar, and soy are one of the most unhealthy things u can consume, but it is promoted as a health product.

our society is also fearful of fat...but saturated fat are healthy fat that can help one lose weight.

basically, i have concluded that everything that is good for us, is made to sound bad..and vice versa....thanks to the illuminate plans for depopulation. fortunately, the internet is allows us to wake up and seek the truth.

[onething]

hi justbe

i appreciated your post, even though i am not eating grains, it is really an important point about soaking the grains, and by the way nuts should be soaked too.

if you try soaking walnuts for several hours the water will turn yellow and bitter. all this bitterness comes out of the nuts.

cereal even such as granola isn't really good for you. granola isn't processed like boxed and extruded cereal, but it is not properly soaked and cooked. crisping grains isn't good for our digestion and nutrition.

for the same reason, bread isn't really as good as something like a slow-cooked natural oatmeal or barley, rice or what have you.

[sundari]

at the ny convergence conference, david gave a long answer to a question from a participant about proper diet ~

he brought up blood type and how it affects a persons dietary needs.

i'm sharing this because dr. d'adamo's blood type/genotype diet was a huge step (a jumping off place) for me to understand what my individual dietary needs consisted of.

if a person just has no clue what may be right for them diet-wise i very highly recommend this as a way to tune into your genetic predisposition and body-type. from there, it eventually becomes easy to allow your intuition to take over where it concerns food choices.

for instance, blood type o can only absorb a very small amount of protein from plant sources; david (a blood type o) told us he became severly anemic after seven years on a vegan diet and got his energy and strength back after adding flesh-foods.

[billybobbutterball]

hi!!

some transient observations by bbb

(because of dc posting regs the link to dr. d'adamo had to be edited from the preceeding post by "sundari")

i became quite familiar with the good doctor's concepts about seven years ago.

it so happens i'm a relatively rare ab blood type -- which ushers me and my quirky metabolismn into the "crazy mixed up kid" classification.

it helped. my health improved, lost some major fat, and for a long period of time i was a "true believer":d

however there are some learned critics that question the supposed degree of scientific certitude involved across the board. some have claimed that not all of the foods described had been tested, but rather classified more by a priori assumption than scientific due diligence.:(

besides the question concerning individual food chemestry, there is the complicating problem in that individuals remain uncooperatingly individualistic as far as food compatibilities go -- sometimes far off what is ascribed to them by their conveniently being identified, then stuffed into one of the general blood-type slots. (i.e., a, b, o, ab.)

in the final analysis one must see how their body reacts to the supposed "good"-for-them foods. in my own case beet greens rated high for my blood type ... trouble was my body didn't agree. every time i (once again) added them to my green drinks, bad news. my fingers became so sensitive that i had to wear gloves to run a register... but i resolutely pushed on to get past the fabled "elimination crisis" after a while my hands started trembling like i had pre-parkinson's. finally a friend had enough; told me i looked like hell :eek: and whatever i was doing wrong, quit! :mad:

try this: pick up opinions from dr. d'adamo, from dr. mercola. dr. bass, check out price/pottinger (sp?) don't use a microwave...not even for merely warming water!

vegans travel a perilous path...ghandi and attendants tried vegan on spiritual grounds. but they eventually got sick and had to add some animal products .... note: the ra advised carla: "the occasional ingestion of what you call your meats, due to the instrument's need to lessen the distortion towards low vital energy" (loo book 5 p.39)

whatever you eat or drink make a fuss over it, give thanks, emote abundant gratitude. don't eat absent mindedly... pay attention to the process...don't do like i do. (i'm banging away on my keyboard right now as i eat on the side. bad!)

keep this thought in mind: take care of your tummy and it will take care of you!....proverbations 20:12

luv bbb

[Berry Chastain]

i had not thought about it much before, but i am realizing that though i have been a meat eater, carnivorous, all my life, i am beginning to have a repugnace for meat, and desiring more vegitable foods. i still eat beef, pork fish and chicken on a regular basis but i find myself wanting less and less of it, and more vegitables in place of them.

i have been a weightlifter for almost 7 years now and eating great amounts of high protein meat has been a normal for me, and i have a conundrum about reducing the amount of meat i consume, but my body is not dealing with it the way it used to. so i am in a quandry about going vegan.

but when i am on a low meat diet my system seems to confirm to me that that is what i need.

i guess that as days go by, my body (and higher self) will dictate what it needs.

[Just Be]

hi everyone,

does anyone have tips for gaining weight? i've always been petite. since giving birth to first child a year ago, i have lost even more weight and have been trying to gain it back but have had little success.

i currently consume mostly raw dairy products, kefir, fermented vegetables, sprouted grains, salads, and a little bit of meat each day.

the raw milk and kefir has not been helping me gain weight as i was hoping it would. should i just be consuming more coconut and avocados or something?

any tips would be appreciated. thanks.

[Berry Chastain]

hello just be,
it sounds to me as if you need to add some whole grains to your diet, like brown and wild rice, rolled oats, barley and some groats (cracked wheat) or couscous would be helpful too. also it seems that you are neglecting the beans which are a great source of protein and high energy simple carbs. one other suggestion is nuts which have plenty of protein and also valuable fatty acids which you need and will assist in the gain you desire.

[Just Be]

hi berry,

thanks for the advice. it's true, i have been neglecting the beans and nuts. the only grain i consume is brown rice and millet...mostly b/c it doesnt require sprouting (only soaking) like all the others. i do eat a lot of store-bought sprouted bread though.

i've been trying to avoid sprouting beans/grains b/c it seem times consuming...but it sounds like i just have to find the time to do it.

do u know where's a good source for sprouted nuts that's well priced?

[billybobbutterball]

hi, jb

it would help if you would give us your blood type... the ezekiel bread you take sounds good. for certain people oats are a superior food...and most importantly for a plant food the protein rating is really great -- a big plus is that it is without the gluten that makes wheat and some other grains such a real problem for many.

i just dump organic rolled oats right out of its package into my blender and mix it up with green stuff. (lettuce, spirulina, chlorella. parsley, etc.)

!!an often overlooked component concerning food is its inflammatory rating!! in correctly assembling your foods to cover all the nutritional bases a big help will be found at nutritiondata.

and are you really underweight? much depends on your fat/muscle ratio. you don't want to put on fat in an effort to gain weight. there is a condition known as "skinny/fat" whereas a person is underweight, but because of a lack of muscle they have an alarmingly high fat percentage. incidentally, are your menstrual periods normal?

the painful fact of the matter is that you will have to spend some time --only a dozen lifetimes or so --to find out what best suits your unique condition.:)

you gotta be careful. a friend of mine was a petite 110, but she ended up getting a gastric by-pass after she looked eerily like jabba the hut at 360 lbs:eek:.

personally i'm closing in on the perfect nutritional program. i should have it all figured out sometime during the next two or three incarnations.:p

best, billybobbutterball :)


hi everyone,

does anyone have tips for gaining weight? i've always been petite. since giving birth to first child a year ago, i have lost even more weight and have been trying to gain it back but have had little success.

i currently consume mostly raw dairy products, kefir, fermented vegetables, sprouted grains, salads, and a little bit of meat each day.

the raw milk and kefir has not been helping me gain weight as i was hoping it would. should i just be consuming more coconut and avocados or something?

any tips would be appreciated. thanks.

[annecat]

[quote=just be
does anyone have tips for gaining weight? ]


why are you using so many raw milk products? are you still breast-feeding your baby and think that you need extra calicium?

(you won't get that from milk, for example, people in africa consuming no dairy products have stronger bones than those in western world countries, or maybe africans are just running more...which helps to have better bone
density.)

drinking milk you just end up being fat.
and milk revents many nutrients and minerals to be absorbed in your body. but if you need your "milk", try goat milk and cheese.

and why not try to bake some bread and bagels yourself ?
( i myself use for my bagels mainly spelt and rye flour, rolled oatmeal, sunflower and sesame seeds, olive, sunflower and rapeseed oil.)

instead of using raw vegetables try to cook them lightly, and a make pies
( make the crust out of sunflower oil, potatoes and wholewheat or spelt flour)putting those vegetables and rice and goat cheese inside.

( as being underweight, you must feel a little bit cold all the time, and thus prefer to eat often warm light meals, right?)

and eat lot of lentils, as they need no soking, and are well digested.

(my favorite "fattening food" is organic quinoa with ruccola and soya sausages, but you prefer to not to use soya.)

hope this helps a little.~anne

[annecat]

[quote=
for instance, blood type o can only absorb a very small amount of protein from plant sources; david (a blood type o) told us he became severly anemic after seven years on a vegan diet and got his energy and strength back after adding flesh-foods.[/quote]

did david have a vegan or vegetarian diet ? with or without dairyproducts and eggs?

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i am blood type o, as my biological family, parents, sisters, and my own children and their father and his family.

althought i may have this "beast body" flesh and blood with basic animal instincts i am doing much better with vegetarian diet (which is almost vegan, as we have started even to avoid goat cheese that we used to love twice a week, eggs i use only once or twice a year in order to make some special cakes that are quite impossible to make without eggs).

in my childhood i was often very anemic, underweight and apathetic when forced to eat " some butter, potatoes and meat":eek::eek:how cruel.

i have been now 20 to 23 years strict vegetarian, before that i ate fish twice a year, wild salmon for holidays (after being released from my childhood home).

my children have never "tasted blood". when they were very little i gave them sometimes "fish fingers" in order to make sure that they won't get allergic to fish (which the cats ate). and no, i did not give them any multivitamins or b12 tablets.

when my children were babies ( one to 18 months) people used to laughed at them as they were so fat, even during the first months when i only breast-fed them.(do not laugh now when learning that long breast fed fat babies are like ugly ducklings, for example having higher iq due the better developed nervous systems, etc.)

to be honest i have been a little bit worried about my son, will he need extra protein to grow to be that masculine tall man as expected etc.
but, - the last six months have shown that there has been no reason to worry, the huge wholemeal pasta, tomatosauce and green pea meals have worked.
his bones are very heavy, thick (like his fathers), his voice is already low (so, the soya has not made him more feminine!:)), and he is tall ( and with lots of body hair.)

and by the way my childrens' father (otype ) when living with me was vegetarian for seven years, and never felt anemic.( now i have learned that he is back to being meat eater needing extra vitamins and mineral to help with fatigue, and aging process.)

my daughter (otype) would be more than ready to live just by eating "fruits", but as we now live in wales were the weather is humid and cold and windy (.horrible), she has to wait till we move to hotter climate as wearing warm clothes does not help with inner thermostat.

(when i feel cold i take a glass of red wine which improves also my hemoglobin. and of course, the wine needs to be the less process as possible...organic with no added egg whites etc to improve the color or taste.) ~anne

[Liam]

i've never been sure about the blood type diet. one of my problems with it is that it generalises too much. yes there are probably things that type os have in common and things that type as have in common etc, but everyone is different. some type os can get by without meat, and anne seems to be proof of this. on the other hand there are some type os who try to be vegetarian and it just doesn't work. they reintroduce meat into their diets and their physical condition improves. it does seem though that the protein requirements for type os may be higher than the other groups.

[Just Be]

hi bbb,

to answer your question, i am blood type a+. i use to weigh 108 lbs, then over the past year my weight dropped to 100 lbs. i gained 2 lbs in a few months of consuming raw milk and kefir. i have 6 more lbs to go to reach the weight i use to be.

i know it doesnt sound like much. considering my size, it has been very challenging to put on weight as my weight has never really fluctuated before in the past.

i think part of the problem is that i use to eat multiple small meals every few hours throughout the day. i only have time to eat 3 times a day now, so i believe i am actually consuming less than i use to. i have tried just eating alot more during the 3 meals...but this method makes me feel sluggish and bloated.

do you know with my blood type, should i be consuming more carbs or protein? just as an fyi, i always loved eating grains, and have never been a big meat eater.

also, how would i know whether or not it would be beneficial for myself to consume cod liver oil daily? i understand everyone's ideal diet differs depending on their body/blood type. i just dont understand how we would know what is ideal for us...when 'listening to your body' seem ineffective with certain type of food.

[Just Be]

hi annecat,

thanks for pointing out that lentil doesnt require as much soaking as other grains. that helps me a lot as i dont have time to prepare/cook meals as i would like.

from what i understand raw milk from grass-fed animals are highly nutritious with much healing properties and there are really no substitution. many of us are lactose intolerant...unfortunately, milk have been blamed for this, but it is actually the pasteurization process that kills all the healthy enzymes in milk.

even spiritual masters like jesus and edgar cayce talked about the value of raw milk...so have highly respected drs of natural medicine like dr mercola and dr weston a price.

majority of soy product on the market today are gmo, contains herbicides/pesticides, and have not been soaked properly to remove phytic acid which robs our body of vital nutrients.

yes, i still breastfeed. i use to feel like i was starving all the time, until i start consuming raw milk. i learned that the hunger feeling was my body of expressing its needs for more nutrient. ever since i started drinking raw milk, that 'hunger' feelings have stopped completely.

[annecat]

hi just be,

yes, i know that the pasteurization kills the enzymes in milk...
but milk (like soyproducts) can also contain herbicides/pesticides, hormones...
like everything we eat or drink the more organic the better.

my children ate no soya products when they were very little. only during the last few years have we eaten more soyaproducts (tofu with wild garlic and soyasausages) as after 15 years of cooking and baking i am getting pretty tired of being full time chef to my children.:)i try to find quick foods.

and, as i have said many times, we just have to live in this world, survive the best we can, play by the rules at times, at least if we feel that there is reason for us to live among "masses" and not live like spiritual hermits up in the mountains, as if i only eat " spiritually clean foods" with clear life force same time as i am doing my yoga i cannot stand any people around me, my " senses" get too sensitive or high.

and the problem with me is that i do not put my faith on any "spiritual masters" or "doctors" or "scientists", the truths like life are ever changing, on the move.

i just try to keep my mind and heart open enough to find ways to ease my own living and others. i do no believe in "enlightenment throught suffering" were that suffering human or animal suffering there is no difference.
sign of intellectual intellect is to avoid suffering when ever possible, it brings no happiness to anyone. reasons for not eating meat could also be ethical and ecological.

i always encourage people to use real words instead of saying "meat".
what they are eatings is " a piece of dead animal" a cow, a horse, a lamb..

here in wales, like in scotland, i have closely observed sheeps, seen them lambing, having babies, feeding and caring about them, and then lambs playing like human children, and i cannot stop asking ;

how cruel must that person be who can kill and eat someone else's child. ~anne

[islandgirl]

i would chose raw milk and lots of it to put on weight. it's so very good for you ...not just the enzymes but loads, and i mean loads, of msm, which will detox your body by adding those all important organic sulfurs into your system...... scrubbing out toxins, even from the bone marrow/all organs.

just can't go wrong in my book with raw milk, i almost lived on the stuff when i was milking a much beloved jersey cow for about 10 years when i lived on a 40 acre farm in virginia. the whole family never ever got sick during all those years , with loads of energy always. other wise we , ate quite sparsly as we didn't have alot of bucks back in those days as a new married couple.

if you consume alot of it, like 6 cups or so you should put on some weight and of course make some of that good sounding bread (add butter ?) that you mentioned yourself and go for it !

also if you like chocolate and it's allowed in your diet plans, then buy dark chocolate (hardly any sugar ) and enjoy once in a while. try chocolove brand there the best ! ;)

good luck,
cheri

[momlvsducks]

i have found that drinking vinegar water helps me loose weight.

it really tastes better than it sounds. i use almost a quart of water with 2-4 teaspoons of cider vinegar in it. i like it on ice. if i drink at least one super sized water bottle of it a day the scales reflect a weight loss.

[billybobbutterball]

this morning i read another great summation of the dangers of soy in the diet -- but now i can't find it!! aggghhh! frustration!

soy is not really a food, rather it is an insidious carrier of a pharmaceutical that can thoroughly screw up the hormonal system in those of all ages....and that goes particularly for babies/children... even embryos share in this by partaking of the toxicity handed down through the placenta from their soy-eating hostess.

sure, it has been hailed as a miracle food for decades by diet gurus. but the truth is they got taken in --as we all did -- by a flood of contrived press releases. it all boils down to a sales program built upon outright right lies -- or to be kind, perhaps mere ignorance at best. nah! its the money.

the problem is with soy's high level of phyto-estrogens. in the womb the sexual nature of the male is altered by the flood of female-like hormones. one result of this chemical feminization is that of a much higher incidence of malformed male sexual organs. some gonads are minimized, sometimes with a more drastic result in that the urethra opening is far back and on the bottom of the shaft. as i understand it the endocrine damage can be traced back to early on following the initial conception.

a disturbing note: young girls respond to the higher estrogen levels by being propelled much too quickly into puberty. secondary sexual characteristics at three years old??? that is simply not good.

mature women do not do well with the extra hormonal kick from the diet....which boils down to some strange side-effects along with being put at a much greater risk from cancer.

manly men have a touchy problem with their genitals becoming down-sized. the estrogen-like influence tends to encourage fat...i would agree that breasts look proper on a woman...but a man??? ugghh! incidentally, the only personages in asia who consume soy in the generous manner of the western world are monastery monks....why is this so? you guessed it! they find that un-fermented soy does wonders in reducing inconvenient sex drive impulses that can upset their spiritual concentration.

the horror of this situation is that virtually all of packaged food has soy listed as an ingredient...it is difficult to escape even when soy as a main item is eschewed....for instance, take a gander at the so-called "power bars" -- you will most likely see soy protein isolate listed as a major ingredient...just what the bodybuilder doesn't want... a dose of estrogen to balance out his testosterone shot:eek:.

ok, i'll give in a bit...soy sauce is given a green flag.:)

i'm sorry that i couldn't find the link...failing memory from my years of using supro soy protein powder:rolleyes: and i confess that my over-the-top crudely written post could use some serious editing and documentatin...but that is all i can manage for the nonce. :o

(and to make things worse... there is a similar phyto-estrogen contamination from certain plastics with food/drink!)

best, bill g aka billybobsoyablubber

[Deambor]

hi, everyone.
a few weeks ago i bumped into an interesting account of nde on one of the websites.

basically the person had a clinical death and then came back and his story, among other things, had an intersting diet related episode.

he, per his own request, was granted a bit of space travel to other worlds, and he visited one planet with a very high level of consciosness there.

so he was able to communicate with these entities, and they exchanged a few questions, and when asked how we regain our energy, he replied that we eat. after that they said do you eat live things? he said yes.

they said something to the effect that they have long suspected that there must be the civilizations out there with very low level of consciousness, but they never imagined it would be that bad, like eating other live life. to them it was as unacceptable as cannibalism to us today.

as for myself, pescaterian for almost 15 years now. can't get off that pesca (fishies).

love to all

[learning]

hey guys wondering if anyone can help me out here, just heard david on pc radio at about hour and nine mins saying he synergizes the x-factor butter oil with the cod liver oil show, would one then take that with the skate liver oil, how should one go about it? thanks!

[transiten]

cod has almost been eradicated due to overfishing on many places around the world and there's a restriction to fish it...seems a bit odd we should eat codlievroil then...

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[hazyjane]

hey guys wondering if anyone can help me out here, just heard david on pc radio at about hour and nine mins saying he synergizes the x-factor butter oil with the cod liver oil show, would one then take that with the skate liver oil, how should one go about it? thanks!


originally, weston price just used the butter oil (specific brand) and cod liver oil together and got great results. i thnk the skate oil may be optional. btw- you can get a product that is [specific brand] and cod liver oil already combined- [please pm jane for brand]

i've been thinking a lot about the nutrients required for pineal gland activation and how most of them, like [brand], which is really vit. k2, and vit. d3 come only from animal sources.
iodine is vital too but can be obtained from sea veggies (although, honestly, 90% of us are so depleted in it that we need a supplement like [brand] nascent iodine or [brand]to get our levels high enough).

anyway, it seems an odd paradox that we who want to eat compassionately might need to consume animal derived ingredients in order to have our pineal gland/higher consciousness activated properly.
i was mostly vegetarian for 16 years (i very occasionally ate a bit of fish) and my health deteriorated. i've extensively studied nutrition, so i wasn't a "junk food" vegetarian. i even tried the raw vegn thing and lost a whole lot of muscle, despite keepig my protein intake decent.
i started having intuitive dreams about eating some meat- it took me a year to work up the courage, lol! i now know i just don't utilize plant proteins well (since i still eat the same amount of protein but my muscle has come back:)

anyway, i have made a lot of health progress since doing so and i don't feel it has made me less spiritual- in fact, i've had the most profound spiritual experiences recently.

i guess that for me, eating other living things is just part of 3d existance for now. maybe i can be veg. in my 4d body (fingers crossed!!!)

[Deambor]

interesting...
i, on the other hand, was a huge meet lover/eater for over 30 years. i mean, we are talking having it 2-3 times a day. and really enjoying it.
and then one day, just like that, i stopped eating it entirely. and that was some 12-13 years ago.
physically, i don't notice any difference, but i do know that meat supposedly gives you a heavier type of energy, compared to vegetables. so maybe i just don't need that type of energy any more. but i don't believe it's an indication of "being advanced" in any sense.
i don't believe that vegetarianism is for everyone. at least not for everyone in 3d. there is that dieting theory based on blood type, which is traced back to even more rudimentary roots of being either "hunter" or "gatherer". so hunters by nature like meet and they need it, they don't feel too great without it. that's totally fine.
it's funny how we in 3d are preoccupied with eating.

love to all

[HardKnockSoldi3r]

you've raised an interesting question regarding the fact that animals die in order for us to eat meat.

even for a vegan plants have to die, and this is the way the world is set up. even the human body becomes food for worms!

i heard it said once that the service provided to humans by livestock is a sacred one, accepted by the animal soul before incarnation. many domesticated animals wouldn't even exist as species, were it not for human reliance on animal proteins.

maybe this is a way that some animals have a chance to work on their own soul evolution, and maybe this at the same time is something that needs to fall by the wayside, as an unnecessary and cruel way for humans to live.

now i'm not in the habit of over-eating or snacking between meals, so i choose what i eat with maximal nutrition in mind. i go to the supermarket at lunchtime everday from work, and listen to what my body tells me, and buy 2 or 3 bucks worth of fresh fruit and veggies, (an apple, pear, orange or what ever i feel that day) and maybe a small amount of meat or chicken if i have the urge, and a multi-grained bun to put it on.

my instincts tell me to eat fresh, as though the still living cellular structure of fresh foods better holds a vital life force.

intuition also tells me to eat a large variety of things, so from the deli counter i might get one olive, two cherry tomatoes, one baby carrot, a bit of broccoli or cauliflower or what have you, one tiny stick of celery, one boiled asparagus shoot, one slice of mango, one slice of kiwi fruit, one or two cherries, a sliver of canteloupe, a cube of cheese, etc, etc.

to be honest, once every couple of months or so, i'll get a triple burger with cheese, and fries, when the urge hits. but i'm not going to lose any sleep over it, unless i eat it too close to bedtime!

mark

i read from david that the conscience of edgar cayce's channel told him to stop eating meat, although he loved pork chops. i think it was noted that animal protein being digested slows down consciousness, but those higher realm entities are quite difficult to truly understand.

it does make much sense how 2nd d animals can evolve better, or progress more quickly if we keep their minds safe for a period of time.

[Ewhaz]

i just wanted to make a note here.

"i guess that for me, eating other living things is just part of 3d existance for now. maybe i can be veg. in my 4d body (fingers crossed!!!)"

we all eat living things. the idea that meat is any more or less living than vegitable matter is simply a misunderstanding. the issue is that people have a problem eating living feeling things such as animals with obvious senses that we can gauge reactions with. such as seeing an animal wail in pain and suffering.

we all eat living things, there is no choice, life is all around us. we cannot see how it affects plants because their reactions to it is not readily available. i remember reading or hearing something about a woman who had a chance to experience what an apple 'felt' when she bit into it. for the apple it was an ecstatic event due to the fact that it was being put to use by a higher spiritual being.

what we see on the surface may not be the whole truth. when we see a wildebeest being taken down and torn limb from limb by a pack of hungry dogs or cats, there is much flailing and the illusion of self preservation. maybe in the bigger scheme of things however, the event is a joyous one where one beast plays the game of 'prey' and the other 'predator' and it is a grand event every time it happens.

[hazyjane]

i just wanted to make a note here.

"i guess that for me, eating other living things is just part of 3d existance for now. maybe i can be veg. in my 4d body (fingers crossed!!!)"

we all eat living things. the idea that meat is any more or less living than vegitable matter is simply a misunderstanding. the issue is that people have a problem eating living feeling things such as animals with obvious senses that we can gauge reactions with. such as seeing an animal wail in pain and suffering.

we all eat living things, there is no choice, life is all around us. we cannot see how it affects plants because their reactions to it is not readily available. i remember reading or hearing something about a woman who had a chance to experience what an apple 'felt' when she bit into it. for the apple it was an ecstatic event due to the fact that it was being put to use by a higher spiritual being.

what we see on the surface may not be the whole truth. when we see a wildebeest being taken down and torn limb from limb by a pack of hungry dogs or cats, there is much flailing and the illusion of self preservation. maybe in the bigger scheme of things however, the event is a joyous one where one beast plays the game of 'prey' and the other 'predator' and it is a grand event every time it happens.


thanks, ewhaz! those are really good points!
it can be a little hard for a former vegetarian when they start eating meat, because a lot of your identity can be wrapped up in the fact that you don't eat meat.
a lot of vegetarians do consider themselves "holier than thou" because of it. i have a number of friends like this still. it's scary when you make a change like that because you get a lot of negative attitudes from many.

i have come to see that i am just part of the natural cycle of life on earth and it's oddly comforting.

i know that david does, indeed, eat meat and fish. i've heard him mention how he used to be vegetarian but needed to include meat in order to maintain his health and keep himself grounded. this was my experience, too. i've noticed that a lot of us who aren't maybe the most "strapping" people (lol!) and more intuitive types seem to need the meat. maybe it gives us the grounding substance we need?

[HardKnockSoldi3r]

i recently found this tea in the organic section of a grocery store. it was for stress, and it worked very well, and from all organic herbs. it is made from the knowledge of ayurvedic tradition. the vedics know much about atlantis and it's culture, i believe.

of the many that i've tried, the [please pm for name of tea] is incredible.this tea allows dreams to spawn naturally and vividly. i tried it one night, and i drempt and remembered them with no issue. i dream whenever i drink this tea at night.

it enhances your awareness to a comfortably noticable place.

an all natural and/or organic store, or store secions should have it. stop and shop has it.

the same company makes many other varieties that create different effects.the most beneficial tea's hav been the miditation, kava, calming, and ginseng tea's

(pm me if you waould like to know what the brand is.)

[HardKnockSoldi3r]

originally posted by ewhaz
"i just wanted to make a note here.

"i guess that for me, eating other living things is just part of 3d existance for now. maybe i can be veg. in my 4d body (fingers crossed!!!)"

we all eat living things. the idea that meat is any more or less living than vegitable matter is simply a misunderstanding. the issue is that people have a problem eating living feeling things such as animals with obvious senses that we can gauge reactions with. such as seeing an animal wail in pain and suffering.

we all eat living things, there is no choice, life is all around us. we cannot see how it affects plants because their reactions to it is not readily available. i remember reading or hearing something about a woman who had a chance to experience what an apple 'felt' when she bit into it. for the apple it was an ecstatic event due to the fact that it was being put to use by a higher spiritual being.

what we see on the surface may not be the whole truth. when we see a wildebeest being taken down and torn limb from limb by a pack of hungry dogs or cats, there is much flailing and the illusion of self preservation. maybe in the bigger scheme of things however, the event is a joyous one where one beast plays the game of 'prey' and the other 'predator' and it is a grand event every time it happens."


i would like to comment on your opinion and understanding of the effects on the foods we eat while they are alive.

firstly, plants don't have a central nervous system, but mammals do. mammals have as many chakras as we do. they have the bodies acustom to their evolution, yet it's they are higher 2d entities, plants are 1d with the exception of very large an old trees. davids documents that he has archived from sources say of the testing of plants on a lie detector test and it's reactions are profound. a scientist thought of burning the plants leaves and the detector went off the charts. (i have the science of peace, which exemplifies how we are all interconnected through consciousness.)
i've heard that it is an honor for a "farm animal" to be fed and protected until they are slaughtered for us higher beings to eat.

meat is actually toxic to other mammals. watch pete petersons video with david on project camelot.

vegan meat is meat from animals who are unaware of their demise, thus adrenaline is minimally present which provides a non-toxic batch of meaty goodness.


edgar cayce had his source tell him that he should stopsmoking, and eating the pork chops that he loved.

another psychic, from the east i believe, (was relayed mathematical formulas through trance) who died from a variance of his vegetarian diet for a prolonged period of time when he visited harvard to work concludes that mammal meat isn't the best for a psychic. maybe theres a threshold where you should stop eating animal meat.