Homosexuality

[Understanding]

homosexuality seems to be a big topic from the news to discussions at bars and especially school. in school they basically say it is genetic with a mix of personal enviroment and is kind of like a fetish. i tried yahooing edgar cayce to see if he had any thoughts about this subject i couldn't find it. although i do not judge people i am not a big fan of homosexuality. it just doesn't resonate with my heart anyone have any thoughts or opinions on this ?

[LEP]

i don't know anything if cayce or dw has written about this subject at all, but there is a danish writer/philosopher named "martinus" (1891-1981) who actually write about this subject. he means that we (all lifeforms) develop through our experiences towards a more understanding and loving state of conciousness that we begin to near ourselves to people of the same sex and that our feminine and masculine poles are going to melt into one... or something like that. a little bit hard to explain in another language like this.. ;) (and my apologies if this is a off topic in this forum?) but in short it's about "our growing capacity of love will include all living beings".

[Ewhaz]

the great debate.. or one of many.

i've actually been around the block a few times with this one, seen it from many different perspectives and ideologies. from the christian perspective, homosexuality is wrong because god had created man and all of his functions as a physical entity. i'm sure every one is familiar with the biblical passages that seem to state very strongly on gods supposed stance on the subject. i argued this for a very long time, i believed in it and it forced me to judge those people as 'wrong' or 'indecent' or at the very least, lost and confused. i always saw the law of christianity as being one of love, so even then i tried my best to walk the razor.

edgar cayce, as far as i know, did not seem to address the issue directly, though it may be in there. however, he was very clear on what our relationship to other people was supposed to be like and that is that every one was to be seen as an extension of yourself and god. the very sovereignty of their existence was the only basis for judging every one. in that every one was a part of god, they were to be treated like that. lovingly and without judgment. now these are my own words and my own concepts of what i have read and absorbed, others may correct me if i'm in error.

the ra material echo's cayce's material very closely from what i have seen. they both expand on the nature of existence, sin, justice, love, etc. in the very least, we are asexual as a spirit, we have no sex to speak of outside of these bodies. the nature of being a 'man' or a 'woman' is more in experiencing the common archetype traits that come from each one. they are polarities, but not opposites of our true spiritual nature. that, as well as the fact that we have spent many life times as either one seems to make the issue of homosexuality nothing more than a personal preference. i would have to dig through the ra study guide, but i believe it was addressed there and i think the conclusion that was drawn was simply that being spiritual beings in truth, it didn't really matter what preference you had, so long as you were doing so in truth.

the ra material goes on to explain that sexuality is more about exchanging energy than the biological counterpart of conception. it has to do with two people coming together to commune in lovemaking, each giving to the other, and in the end coming away refreshed with the new energy. again these are my words and concepts that i've come away with. reading through the material yourself will help you understand the concepts for yourself.

in the end i think homosexuality is a non issue, unless of course it's derived from something other than personal preference. if it's damaging or related to some sort of trauma, then that needs to be dealt with first so that the person is clear in the realization of their true motivations for their behavior.

i understand how you feel, i've felt that way too from time to time in my path. all i can say is meditate on it till you get a clearer understanding of what the issue is, you may discover why it seems to feel wrong. it may be for very different reasons than you think.

i hope this helps, and you have every right to agree or disagree.
may you walk in love and light.
errol.

[Elmer]

in the conversations with god books by neale donald walsch the message of god as being pure love - and further - that all is part of god - are brought to bear on this subject.

first, everything is literally part of god. so in truth there is no right or wrong - there is only love of others and love of self. this is a very liberating thought in terms of removing the many sexual taboos society burdens us with. just consider - god is in every bedroom and has experienced every experience.

as in all things, the only judgment is - does this act radiate the love of the creator? if the act is self-serving and controlling it is removing you further away from the nature of god. if the act is an act of exchange of loving energies it is bringing you closer to the nature of god.

so two people who share and radiate love are closer to god than someone else who judges them for it - regardless of all other circumstances and man-made societal taboos which are temporary and insignificant in the eyes of god.

elmer

[Lorigga]

hi all,
i can't really give too much info, i'm at work and will make sure to check out my edgar cayce books for any info.

here's a link to a small blurb in the law of one outline with the proceeding quote:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=124&itemid=36


xii. homosexuality

ra: if an entity has had roughly 65% of its incarnations in the sexual/biological body complex of the opposite polarity to
its present body complex, this entity is vulnerable to infringement in your
urban areas and may become what you call homosexual. (b2, 35)

the section also discusses energy transfers and i think would help anyone curious make sense of how the physical act of sex plays out on a spiritual level. definitely a discussion i think quite applicable to this topic.

[billybobbutterball]

homosexuality seems to be a big topic from the news to discussions at bars and especially school. in school they basically say it is genetic with a mix of personal enviroment and is kind of like a fetish. i tried yahooing edgar cayce to see if he had any thoughts about this subject i couldn't find it. although i do not judge people i am not a big fan of homosexuality. it just doesn't resonate with my heart anyone have any thoughts or opinions on this ?


hi, under. billybob here.

seems that once again i'm going back to the artesian well provided at llresearch.org. the following snippet is from "the law of one" book 2 session 31. checkout the full document as this barely touches the subject.

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questioner: we have what seems to be an increasing number of entities incarnate here now who have what is called a homosexual orientation. could you explain and expand upon that concept?

ra: i am ra. entities of this condition experience a great deal of distortion due to the fact that they have experienced many incarnations as biological male and as biological female. this would not suggest what you call homosexuality in an active phase were it not for the difficult vibratory condition of your planetary sphere. there is what you may call great aura infringement among your crowded urban areas in your more populous countries, as you call portions of your planetary surface. under these conditions the confusions will occur.

questioner: why does density of population create these confusions?

ra: i am ra. the bisexual reproductive urge has as its goal, not only the simple reproductive function, but more especially the desire to serve others being awakened by this activity.

in an over-crowded situation where each mind/body/spirit complex is under constant bombardment from other-selves it is understandable that those who are especially sensitive would not feel the desire to be of service to otherselves. this would also increase the probability of a lack of desire or a blockage of the red ray reproductive energy.

in an uncrowded atmosphere this same entity would, through the stimulus of feeling the solitude about it, then have much more desire to seek out someone to whom it may be of service thus regularizing the sexual reproductive function.

questioner: roughly how many previous incarnations would a male entity in this incarnation have had to have had in the past as a female to have a highly homosexual orientation in this incarnation?

ra: i am ra. if an entity has had roughly 65% of its incarnations in the sexual/biological body complex, the opposite polarity to its present body complex, this entity is vulnerable to infringement of your urban areas and may perhaps become of what you call an homosexual nature.

snip

bestest, billiebobbie :eek: :o ... ( just kidding )

p.s. the accidental (?) introduction of estrogen-like chemical complexes into the environment is causing sexual confusion in the biological wiring and timing of developing entities -- such virtually unavoidable chemical micro timebombs has caused a procreative downside for many sensitive species in the animal kingdom all the way from insects to mankind. watch them there plastic containers and beware of deadly, handy-dandy microwaving!

[twva]

the following snippet is from "the law of one" book 2 session 31.

the sentence that immediately follows the lines you quoted is interesting, too:

"it is to be noted at this juncture that although it is much more difficult, it is possible in this type of association for an entity to be of great service to another in fidelity and sincere green ray love of a nonsexual nature thus adjusting or lessening the distortions of its sexual impairment."

[Cynlor2012]

wanderers ask jim and me concerning their homosexuality or bisexuality from time to time, especially since those of ra are not particularly understanding about the issue.
the ra feel that it comes about because of overcrowding and aura infringement on a gross level. this gives homosexuality- or bisexuality a sense of being wrong or at least lesser states than heterosexuality.
in this instance, i disagree with the brothers and sisters of sorrow. i feel that sexuality is sexuality. the person to whom we are attracted may be male or female, but the attraction mechanism is the same. if you are bisexual or homosexual in nature, i encourage you to honor that sexuality and feel good about it, and make the choices that will place you in faithful, committed, ethical and loving relationships in which sex is shared as a part of a much more complete sharing of the intimacy of the self, just as i would encourage you to do if you are a heterosexual being. (a wanderer’s handbook, ch 9. p. 268)

questioner: what is the function of homosexuality?

it is a difficulty of your language that we have trouble overcoming in that homosexuality is not understood as a type of sexuality, but is considered to be, in your language, a type of emotionally strong word.

those who are homosexual have had a personality difficulty, which drives them in a sexual way towards their own charge, much like a positive charge being attracted to a positive charge. this is due to confusion between incarnations, the previous incarnation being of one sex, this incarnation being of another.

but the function of homosexuality is the function of any type of sexuality: it is to enable a person to form an intense enough relationship that he may learn how to serve and how to love; to love others more than himself, or shall we say, to love others more than his personality, but as much as the creator. (carla channeling, july 18, 1976)

my own personal feelings on homosexuality is that it is just another form of sexuality. love can be shared equally between same sex relationships and opposite sex relationships. there is no wrong. the abuse of sexuality is the real issue. this truth resonates deeply with my heart.

to my: gay/lesbian/bisexual/straight/positive/negative/black/white/orange/purple/tall/short/plump/skinny/round/square/ friends on this forum. i love you all. :)

[charles obscure]

i see both sides of it...while ra seems to state that homosexuality is somewhat an impairment and seems to hint towards the act of homosexual sex being a disservice, ra also states in many places that green ray unconditional love is more to be valued than any principality.

'the truth appeareth paradox' - lao tzu

i believe carla is displaying an admirable level of compassion and non-judgement towards those of a homosexual orientation in doing so honoring the creator and the primal distortion of free will. however, i feel those of ra would have a much clearer understanding than any in 3rd density of the underlying metaphysical energy transfers taking place in the physical act of sex, making ra's comments on the topic quite weighty and worthy of much consideration.

[Ewhaz]

the hard part about this all is simply that the word itself, as ra stated, has become one of emotional weight rather than just a word to describe a behavior.

it's hard to view your fellow human beings in a loving light if the instant you hear a word, your emotional side gets kicked into high gear. even i find this hard to deal with from time to time. there is often a sense of nagging discomfort and uneasiness towards the person. despite this i have known a few gays and lesbians, even ones with even greater sexual distortions. once you get past the discomfort you begin to see that they are just people too. they are people to be loved and given the right circumstances you could be in their shoes.

in the right frame of mind, one begins to realize that some where out there there is a dimension (since they are all infinitely possible) where some version of yourself is most likely gay or lesbian. there may be a dimension where gay and lesbian distortions are the norm instead of the distortion. the more you think about it, the more it seems that the notion of right and wrong are nothing more than attributes to the system of the dimension we are in right at the moment. it is all an apparent illusion, or more aptly a catalyst for growth.

in the end, we must all look at the big picture. in the fourth dimension we will have a unique view into the lives of people around us, we will know all each others good and bad sides from a now very personal view. we will no longer be able to look at some one and say 'how could you!' because we will know how they could, also every pain and sorrow that may have lead up to a decision and the very gravity of every faucet of their being. we will know this and begin to integrate it into ourselves. helping one another will not be a choice, we will have to deal with every one's dark side to progress as a unified group until the integration takes us all the way back to the source.

i like to try and see myself in the other persons shoes. if i can do that, often times its easier to offer compassion for them, despite what wrongs (as illusions) they have done. good grief i can go on can't i?

heres to having compassion for every one you meet. love and light all.

[Cynlor2012]

in my initial post to this topic, i did so because something did not sit right with me with the tone of the thread. there seems to be a common theme in society to use words-the bible-to separate, devalue, or to make less than. although there may be some truth to ra’s words, the fact that he offered little to the topic says a lot about the importance he placed on this issue.


however, i feel those of ra would have a much clearer understanding than any in 3rd density of the underlying metaphysical energy transfers taking place in the physical act of sex, making ra's comments on the topic quite weighty and worthy of much consideration.

my heart will always weigh more heavily than any words, comments, or perceptions. in using my own discernment, i spoke my own truth as having a gay brother who has had to face a society who views him as sexually perverted, less than, and immoral. one can use ra’s words and interpret them in whatever way they perceive, however, i cannot support it if i know it may hurt some or devalue others on this forum and in society. when we do this, we are no better than those who use the bible for this very purpose.


it's hard to view your fellow human beings in a loving light if the instant you hear a word, your emotional side gets kicked into high gear. even i find this hard to deal with from time to time.

i think this is the heart of the matter. do we treat others differently because we dont understand or we have been programmed to believe a certain way or do we percieve them as an equal, a part of the one creator. the latter resonates in truth, for me.

[charles obscure]

i agree cynlor2012. id also state that i feel people who are gay are not the only ones faced with a lot of difficulties/judgements in society, nor are they the only ones who sin. i dont judge gay people, treat them differently or look down on them. i see them as myself. i see myself as a person struggling with many things, and all though homosexuality isnt one of them on an individual level, i dont see the act of homosexuality better or worse than the same types of problems i deal with right now on a day to day basis.

i dont really know how i could acknowledge the fact that i believe ra's words had merit in a more gentle way, but i still stand behind my comments.

we are all loved infinitely regardless and i agree there is no right or wrong, and love is not forceful of anything or judgemental.

however i also believe there is such a thing as a spiritual ideal. an archetypal element in our mind if you will. i believe this is something we should strive towards if one has consciously chosen the path of service to others. i believe this will always involve a certain degree of self sacrifice. it is dependent on the individual how far they choose to tread this path in any incarnate experience. life is not an easy thing, we are all faced with similar choices regardless of our specific set of circumstances/issues.

we all have extreme challenges facing us, whether a person is gay or not does not change this. as it was said there is so much good in the worst of us and so much evil in the best of us, its pretty pointless to sit here pointing fingers or judging.

[Kenneths149]

i am kenneths149 a gay catholic retired teacher, who suffers the self cruelity of self judgment and pain increased by the judgment of certain society, social values and family disapproval. i am celibate and will be so for this life as i am unable to deal with any intimate relationship. any judgmnent on the issue is useless and to no avail. it is of no importance the cause of this. it is of no value to a preconceived conception of any kind to understand the depth and meaning of loving another. read "rumi" the gresat arab writer who loved a young man as himself! sadly it is the abuse of this love that is the great danger and judgment of in our present culture. it is a homophobic culture. it fears variety, diversity ,the union of energy that is wholeness, integvrsation of energies. even ra in it's discourse avoids the concept of integration of energy both energies male and female.! is ra homophobic? it matters that love is labelled perjoretively by the majority. who sets the norm? even ra has a part to play! seemily impartial is not stand at all to further truth and light on homosexaulity.

[twva]

however, i feel those of ra would have a much clearer understanding than any in 3rd density of the underlying metaphysical energy transfers taking place in the physical act of sex, making ra's comments on the topic quite weighty and worthy of much consideration.

i agree.

i don't read ra's comments as judgmental towards gays, or towards anyone. as they state, "there are no mistakes."

but the discussion of homosexuality was in the context of a series of conversations about the energy transfers associated with "our sexual reproductive complex of actions". in that context, the magical and magnetic nature of polarized male/female interaction is posited as a path to the creator:

the bisexual knowing of the creator by itself has the potential for two advantages.

firstly, in the green-ray activated being there is the potential for a direct and simple analog of what you may call joy, the spiritual or metaphysical nature which exists in intelligent energy. this is a great aid to comprehension of a truer nature of beingness. the other potential advantage of bisexual reproductive acts is the possibility of a sacramental understanding or connection, shall we say, with the gateway to intelligent infinity, for with appropriate preparation, work in what you may call magic may be done and experiences of intelligent infinity may be had.

ra does not say that it is not possible for homosexual entities to walk this path, at least as far as green ray (and green ray unconditional love is, after all, the lesson/goal of this density), and they also point out that people who are attracted to the same sex are often especially sensitive.

but it does seem that from ra's view of the energy transfers involved it is more difficult for two males or two females to generate the magical energy necessary to do indigo- or violet-ray work, just as it is more difficult for two positive poles or two negative poles of a magnet to generate attractive energy towards each other.

[Firewalker]

i used to have a problem with homosexual people. i was actually straight homophobic, but even then would never express something like that to a gay person directly. i'm very sensitive to energy, and a while after i had accepted it on the intellectual level, i was at my checkout, i felt a real love, and looked up, there were two gay people there. i thought that the love between them is real and not really much else matters.

i wonder if gayness is a blockage in the root chakra. i.e. our physical sex drive. that's what i took from ra's comment.

now i get genuinly angry when people express homophobic stuff. although i'm straight.

[Kenneths149]

in the wonderful story of the wizard of oz, glenda the good witch appears to dorothy and tells her to follow the yellow brick road. glenda the good witch knew all along that all dorothy had to do was to click her heels three times and she would be home! question:now why would the good witch not tell her this at the begining?
so to with ra, there is a witholding of information on homosexuality and a witholding of a positive view on the work that is the path of many souls experiencing homosexuality . it is a diservice to remain neutral on the value and affect of millions of souls who are in that journey. sexual reproduction is the topic but reproduction and ray work is not devoid of the love and integration that is part of a wide spectrum of this human experience.to detach emotional essense from our being as if it is something to be neutralized is diservice to all beings especially to human beings with a vast range of emotional expereince. perhaps it is why we became more intensely sensitive and emotional as we deny the wonder of who we are which is more than we can possibly imagine.
i take issue with a position that does nothing to clarify a great concern of this culture by suggesting that overcrowding is the cause of homosexuality! what a side tracking answer avoidance. follow the yellow brick road ! yes there would be no story or adventure or discovery if we knew the wonder of those mysteries. it would be another fact . data, information for the paly of those so inclined.
fortunately we are limited and that is good! to know much is a weighty responsiblity!

[Kenneths149]

aproximately 10 % of the population on earth is homosexual. do you know how many that would be? do that math . now is that not important in understanding humanity and the human experience? if you are one of those individual souls would not information be important and accurate positive , affirming information be invaluable and supportive to grwing in accepatnce aiond self love. avoidance has reason. often avoidance is used, it is one in that one can not mangage the situation. there are many works written on homosexuality . i find it appaulaing that ra has only a few lines to comment on it and that they cast a light, that is rather weak a very little turth!

[Cynlor2012]

thank you, kenneth149 for offering your perspective. i guess one can never truly understand the pain, rejection, and separation one faces in society unless they walk in one’s shoes.



id also state that i feel people who are gay are not the only ones faced with a lot of difficulties/judgements in society, nor are they the only ones who sin. if i am misreading this comment, charles obscure, i apologize. i guess this where we differ. i don’t see homosexuality as a sin, a sexual impairment, or anything else. the abuse of any sexuality whether in a heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual relationship is the real issue. i, too, stand behind my previous post. there are no pointing fingers or judgment here- reread my post and you will see i was only attempting to offer my own perspective, in a compassionate way, on a very sensitive topic. the initial starter to this thread stated: homosexuality did not resonate with him. the response by some was to use ra’s words to answer his question. it did not sit well me. at this juncture, i say we can agree to disagree.

much love

[David Wilcock]

hey gang,

i'm watching these posts coming through with the grumbling and dismay rising to indignation, and i'm disappointed, as i see it's poised to get worse and worse if i don't point out the obvious.

the most prominently displayed reading on my website links right off "start here" button -- the first item below "search," entitled "what is ascension?" this was done for a homosexual client. it did not condemn him or what he was doing -- just the opposite. i put it front and center for several reasons -- and one of them was to take the edge of that oft-misinterpreted law of one quote.

ra did deliver an important truth in the law of one series regarding the fact that homosexual sex simply doesn't have the same aetheric energy quality.

the man releases an unretrievable burst of red-ray energy in orgasm (the woman does not) and the woman's physiology -- both physical and metaphysical -- is built to receive it and transform it into inspiration. there is an aetheric anatomy corresponding to the physical anatomy that enables this, which in turn is the circuitry that can activate the higher chakras.

it is a glaring omission in the law of one series that the topic was not discussed beyond this point. this is a fault of the questioner, a military man who very likely was uncomfortable discussing it, rather than the source. yet for those who are really studying the material, and not just finding one quote and flagging it out of context, the compassion behind the answer is obvious.

my reading has stood in a prominent place for years now to take the charge off. i hope others will remember this in the future if the issue is discussed again:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&itemid=27

- david

[charles obscure]

thank you, kenneth149 for offering your perspective. i guess one can never truly understand the pain, rejection, and separation one faces in society unless they walk in one’s shoes.


[/b] if i am misreading this comment, charles obscure, i apologize. i guess this where we differ. i don’t see homosexuality as a sin, a sexual impairment, or anything else. the abuse of any sexuality whether in a heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual relationship is the real issue. i, too, stand behind my previous post. there are no pointing fingers or judgment here- reread my post and you will see i was only attempting to offer my own perspective, in a compassionate way, on a very sensitive topic. the initial starter to this thread stated: homosexuality did not resonate with him. the response by some was to use ra’s words to answer his question. it did not sit well me. at this juncture, i say we can agree to disagree.

much love


i wasnt accusing you of pointing fingers, i guess i was more trying to say that i wasnt pointing fingers. my comment on 'sin' wasnt directed specifically at homosexuality either, more so a way of reiterating the phrase 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone' or in other words, we are all sinners.

[FooSnik]

i am a server at a restaurant in dupont circle of washington dc and a large percentage of my customers are homosexual. i am always happy to see that my new table is gay because they are generally very kind and they tip very well. i also work with many gay people and one of my best friends happens to be gay and he is the nicest person you will ever want to meet. consider these points:

1. from what i understand, they are born into this situation. the vast majority didn't make a conscious decision to be gay and i am sure many would rather be straight to save all the pain and alienation they are bound to feel in our rigid society. they must come to grips with being who they were naturally born to be or being who society or christianity or whoever says they should be. this is a very hard life and most gay people are very kind hearted because they know all to well what it feels like to be discriminated against, ostracized and to own a feeling of low self-esteem and low self-worth. but the main point is how can you say someone is wrong when they didn't make a conscious decision and they were just born this way?

2. regardless of their sexual orientation look at all the fantastic contributions the gay society has made to our world. tim gunn (co-host of project runway and tim gunn's guide to style) is an amazing fashion designer and a wise, thoughtful, insightful and kind human being. god forbid we live in a world without my favorite artist salvador dali. there is also a theory that shakespeare was possibly gay. to be an effeminate male is actually a very powerful combination as well as being a masculine female. you have the extroverted characteristics of the male and the more introverted attention to detail and organization of the female combined into one super human being.

3. the most important point is that ra says that we are all one with the illusion of separation so to have negative feelings toward another person is the same as having negative feelings toward oneself. the way to change this world is to give unconditional love to everyone.

thanks for allowing me to share a bit of myself with you. this is a great website and all of you are great as well!!

[billybobbutterball]

people

i'm surprised by some of the implications i'm picking up between the lines.

as i take it the ra doesn't specialize in "fixing" transient things -- which includes uncomfortable personality shells. the fact of the matter is that everything works out in accordance with the free will of individuality. one experience is of no less ultimate value than another. ( of course it may be proposed that some paths are more gracefully transversed than others -- but that is another question entirely, and we are reminded by the ra that those taking the rockier path do eventually bring a more wealthy bundle of experience as an invaluable present to the one creator )

even when i was a bible-thumping, true-believer, the doctrine of a hell-bent destiny for "gays" stuck in my craw since some of the most admirable persons that i had known -- personally or historically of either sex -- fit that crude description. something was obviously out of wack!

so, taking in mind their stated agenda, i'm not going to to fault the ra material as being less than sufficient even in this case ... it responds to the questions asked and makes sense to me.

best, billy bob

p.s. something paraphrased from llresearch seems fitting here: "it is not the business of those entity's incarnating in third density to be right, to be in balance, to be perfect."

[charles obscure]

hey gang,

the most prominently displayed reading on my website links right off "start here" button -- the first item below "search," entitled "what is ascension?" this was done for a homosexual client. it did not condemn him or what he was doing -- just the opposite. i put it front and center for several reasons -- and one of them was to take the edge of that oft-misinterpreted law of one quote.

my reading has stood in a prominent place for years now to take the charge off. i hope others will remember this in the future if the issue is discussed again:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&itemid=27

- david

thank you david, that was a great read. im actually quite excited to see there are further ra transcripts available that are more recent that you have been able to channel yourself.

[moderator note: charles had asked about readings, which were in the article also. dw hasn't done those for years. if you go into his other articles , why he stopped is written about all over the place-take care]

[johnasmodeus]

i don't see what all the controversy is about. homosexuality could be caused by peanuts for all we know. big deal. ra also attributed man's warring nature to opposable thumbs, which makes as much sense to me as attributing gaiety to overcrowding, and is equally unoffensive.

from what i've seen, the point isn't who you love, but that you love. or, as ra would probably term it, that you learn to see the creation as your own self. so if you find that love with another man, who cares? jump in feet first!

as for having sex with another man, that's an entirely different issue and it's too bad that our culture has steadfastly refused to come up with separate terms for these two very distinct classifications: feeling romantic love for those of the same gender, and engaging in sex acts with those of the same gender. we really should have two words, and until we do, our discussions will continue to be difficult, like this one.

[charles obscure]

ra also attributed man's warring nature to opposable thumbs, which makes as much sense to me as attributing gaiety to overcrowding, and is equally unoffensive.


just to clear up some confusion here --i believe ra was talking about the nature of war here on earth, as opposed to 'mans warring nature'. to suggest the reason why we fight war is because of the grasping thumb is i feel clearly missing the mark. further evidence of this is shown in the fact that war is extremely prevelant in 4th and 5th density negative planets (mental warfare) as well as any negatively harvestable 3rd density planet, regardless of the body form.

just as ra's detailing of causes for homosexuality were quite a bit more intricate than 'over-crowding'. to suggest ra made such claims is way over simplified and not at all accurate.

here is the quote you were reffering to:

ra: i am ra. it is correct that the logos designed its experiment to attempt to achieve the greatest possible opportunities for polarization in third density. it is incorrect that warfare of the types specific to your experiences was planned by the logos. this form of expression of hostility is an interesting result which is apparently concomitant with the tool-making ability. the choice of the logos to use the life-form with the grasping thumb is the decision to which this type of warfare may be traced.

[FooSnik]

i don't see what all the controversy is about. homosexuality could be caused by peanuts for all we know. big deal. ra also attributed man's warring nature to opposable thumbs, which makes as much sense to me as attributing gaiety to overcrowding, and is equally unoffensive.

from what i've seen, the point isn't who you love, but that you love. or, as ra would probably term it, that you learn to see the creation as your own self. so if you find that love with another man, who cares? jump in feet first!

as for having sex with another man, that's an entirely different issue and it's too bad that our culture has steadfastly refused to come up with separate terms for these two very distinct classifications: feeling romantic love for those of the same gender, and engaging in sex acts with those of the same gender. we really should have two words, and until we do, our discussions will continue to be difficult, like this one.

well said. what is all the hype about? we are all in the same boat. just love each other!!!!!

[Kenneths149]

thank you daivd for intervening and calling for the raising of the bar of consciousness. st. francis's feast day is coming oct. 4 . he achieved a mystical union with his beloved our lord jesus christ and bares the marks of this intimate union the "stigmata." no one questions the total passionate emotional love and devotion francis acheived that brought him to the intimate union of the profoundest sense one could experience here. such passion for jesus christ, such passion for all creation and oneness with all things gave francis the vision that we all need to see: seeing each other as the glowing cherubims he saw! yet with all his fire francis was humble and loved all things unto poverty itself naming her lady poverty his bride.
st. francis intimate union with christ is one of great pain and beauty. it speaks volume on the journey of those who love intimately those of their own. it is divinely transformed in total surrender and humilty marked with the absolute knowing of the beloved. the sign is the result. the love we so lightly speak of as same love bears little of this signature. any love that is selfish bares the fruit of it's labor. it grows to no end. francis love expanded to inclued all of creation . i hail the beloved saint who so loved with such passion the beloved of his soul and grew to love all creatures.

[Nina]

dear kenneth and everyone,
you may want to see this about st. francis:

http://www.rosicrucian.com/ami/amieng02.htm#part_2_chapter_7

"...constant contemplation of christ and unceasing efforts to imitate him in all things. these exterior stigmata comprise not only the wounds in the hands and feet and that in the side but also those impressed by the crown of thorns and by the scourging. the most remarkable example of stigmatization is that said to have occurred in 1224 to francis of assisi on the mountain of alverno. being absorbed in contemplation of the passion he saw a seraph approaching blazing with fire..."

(from max heindel's ancient and modern initiation)
your sharing re-st. francis was perfect timing - this link was waiting in the wings for where to place! nina

[billybobbutterball]

dear kenneth and everyone,
you may want to see this about st. francis:

http://www.rosicrucian.com/ami/amieng02.htm#part_2_chapter_7

"...constant contemplation of christ and unceasing efforts to imitate him in all things. these exterior stigmata comprise not only the wounds in the hands and feet and that in the side but also those impressed by the crown of thorns and by the scourging. the most remarkable example of stigmatization is that said to have occurred in 1224 to francis of assisi on the mountain of alverno. being absorbed in contemplation of the passion he saw a seraph approaching blazing with fire..."

(from max heindel's ancient and modern initiation)
your sharing re-st. francis was perfect timing - this link was waiting in thewings for where to place! nina

dear nina

i really don't know what to make of the stigmatist phenomena since i have a gut feeling that something is, well, perhaps 'extreme' would be a safe term.

i have a dear friend who belongs to a reactive splinter group described as "traditional catholics". from her i pick up a sense of a glorification in the punishment of the physical body -- via the attempted sharing of that pain and suffering of jesus on the cross which is considered to be of great spiritual merit. i stupidly mentioned to her that protestant's view of this attitude was that "the catholics never took jesus down from the cross." geri's response to my bit of innocently shared information was to scream, "get out of my life, mr.darkness...and take your demons with you!" (my hearing is not as it was before she slammed the phone down)

did i mention that she is a dear friend? so i did manage to patch up things after i told her that, according to "science", the whole linear time business was questionable and that jesus could still be up there after all. :cool:

extreme discipline of the body worries me. this is 3d. a 2d density animal has given up its life to enable our spiritual evolution ... and then we abuse it? except for the other-than-self-love aspect, such over-the-top rigid self-discipline resembles the high road to negative polarity! :confused:

it is dangerous to push oneself into a higher spiritual realm out of season. it is not for us to try to become "more spiritual". (this subject was discussed in earlier postings) we are here to grow potatoes in the good earth, not fragile orchid's in an isolated and protected greenhouse. (a ra compatible observation of stuart edward white in a precious little book of long ago, "the job of living"

good grief! i'm giving a heretical sermon! sorry.

here is something important from q'uo at llresearch.org

march 1st 1998 #69
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the next time that you experience the catalyst of feeling that you are yet an incomplete spiritual being, remember the truth of subtracting, of dropping away that which is not. and as you experience those realizations that enable you to drop a part of the ego away, rejoice. you cannot make it happen. you cannot rush it. but there come moments that you perceive that you no longer have that pride or that particular fear. and of that you may be proud and happy, and if that is a distortion also, then so be it. for you are not here to go beyond distortion but to live within distortion by faith, to express within this confusion a trust in the plan that placed you here, a trust in the destiny that is absolutely yours. a feeling, that cannot come from proof or words, that all that is yours will come to you and that you do not need to reach but only ask “thy will for me today. what is it? and i will try my best.” that is all that you must do. so do not give up on the self because it continues to have distortions and confusions. that is all right. you are not supposed to be without illusion.

ah, precious incarnation. if we could but share with you the realization of the opportunity that is now yours. if we could share that perception with you fully, you would jump for joy. you would rejoice most fully and heartily, for here is the place where you choose your path by faith alone, and this choice, this expression of faith, however imperfect, creates within that permanent self, which is beyond space and time, tremendous changes in consciousness which you cannot achieve outside of this third density of yours. for in other densities the veil of forgetting is lifted, and what virtue is it then to realize that you are your brother and that all those things your brother has are yours? there is no virtue in perceiving the color red if your eyes are open. but, ah, with the eyes closed. here you are in a world of color with your eyes closed. for you are in the equivalent of a black and white movie. you are up there on the screen, and watching yourself the pigment of the movie screen is grainy, and some of the voices are distorted. it’s kind of a corny story, and it’s over too soon. but, ah, when you come out of the theater into the light and you look back on that black and white movie, you see the hope and the faith and the caring and the love and the compassion that you truly have had, with no reason for it but just that constant desire for love, to know love, to know the truth, to express that love. each of you is a gallant, gallant soul, and we both envy you and honor you, for you do much that you do not know. even as you suffer, you heal worlds.

so be content. that is what we would say to you. be content, and simply look carefully, and more carefully, and with more and more open eyes at all that there is about you.

[snip]

please check it out!

best! billyblabberbuttered, aka mr. darkness :)

[charles obscure]

well said. what is all the hype about? we are all in the same boat. just love each other!!!!!

i agree johnasmodeus over all message was good! i hope i didnt come across as im knit picking the ra stuff, that is not my intention...only to clarify what i percieved to be misperceptions, but im thinking now perhaps this was not really necessary at all, as johnasmodeus was merely trying to find humor in the situation with those comments, not meaning them quite so seriously!!

[FooSnik]

i don't see what all the controversy is about. homosexuality could be caused by peanuts for all we know. big deal. ra also attributed man's warring nature to opposable thumbs, which makes as much sense to me as attributing gaiety to overcrowding, and is equally unoffensive.

from what i've seen, the point isn't who you love, but that you love. or, as ra would probably term it, that you learn to see the creation as your own self. so if you find that love with another man, who cares? jump in feet firt.

well said. it's not who you love but that you love. i concur.

[Nina]

dear bill,(and everyone)
view topic exploration worthwhile, not to make us feel "less than" at all, rather perhaps a fuller understanding of the phenomena. lucky you were able to restore your friendship w/geri! (sadly not always possible). will hope to share more in future. nina

[Divine Cosmopolitan]

[quote=kenneths149;23952]aproximately 10 % of the population on earth is homosexual.
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is that common knowledge or was that number derived from any particular study? could you name your source? how did they accurately determine such a thing in places like india africa and china, where the majority of people live? i didnt know the census data was that accurate in those countries.

[Rachel]

i just wanted to say that since i was young, my feeling has always been that if two people want to come together to generate positive feelings of love in the universe it doesn't matter to me if they're gay or not. i'd rather be sitting on the subway next to a happy, positive spirit than a negative one trying to live a life that feels alien to him/her. he or she is more likely to give me (or anyone else) a smile or a helping hand if he/she is in a happy, satisfying relationship than if they aren't. imo, that's what's most important.

jmo. :)

[Kenneths149]

i found the last posting in tune with the lesson of the heart to love. my failure to love has caused me great pain. for all the community of men i knew have died of aids. i no longer live in the " village ". i was assulted and moved out. my expereince as a celibate catholic has been painfull . i love st. francis because he loved the men who followed him in the truest sense of the heart not a gential expression of love. i love my brothers as much as possible knowing my predispositions. i am aware and sad. i keep my gential sexulaity well in charge. ( stress, urban life style, anti-depressants, prostrate medication and homophobia basicly offer chemical castration) . i am most disappointed and saddened by this life experience because i really don't know who i am as i have tried so much to hide and deny my sexuallity. being angry and chemically depressed has been wonderfull, no one can get in to love me. the endless need of the cavern of unfulfilled desires or the big hole of emptiness ( ejection of love ) can exist and frustrate all who truy to come near me. what a terible mess and yet i know it is a mess. i do need to walk in such a way that i am "aware " i am aware and it brings a deep compression and singulairity of consciousness. it is difficult yet i have chosen. as i mature the pain is more accute and the reality more clear compression , singluar thought direction not denial because i feel the sexual need as much as the desire for food. ... i don't really understand the karma i incuured other than the negative sense that i abused my sexuality or was abused by others. perhaps a combination of the two is the truth. the truth to set me free here is not easy. i cannot seem to look at it directly. i must use the shadow of saint francis to see the that loving as intensely as he did was okay and that it too carries with it the price the cost , the awareness. i don't know that that can be joyous . i am finding the paradox of some acceptance and some rejection. i want to respect myself and those who are around me , yet the rejection message is overwhelming. thus the strong activist position of the gay activist movements for equality and acceptance. i may become an activist especially against the public funding of catholic edcuation that fosters homophobia, discrimination and the murder of homosexuals. i am sorry if my thoughts are grim this morning. it is the reality i live in . the weather has been unusally warm here much in line with the planetary theories of david wilcock. i think the radiation of the whole planetary system is increasing the rate of awareness and thus karma is being accelerated with this new energy so this means it will be sad for a bit and then the growth though painful will result in a deeper underatnding of the concerns of truly loving another beyond genital sexual expression.

[MarkM]

in attempting to address your issues, kenneth, i feel a certain sense of caution, because i don't want to come across as someone who thinks they understand what you are going through, because i don't.

the first thought is to attempt to draw some parallels between my perception of your experiences and my own. right off the bat this is difficult, because i am strictly heterosexual, although i have been 'guilty' of sexual excess in the past.

when my marriage to the mother of my four children ended several years ago, i determined at the time to not be bitter, and think and feel my way through any propensity to feel despair. it was a huge blow to the person i believed my self to be, and in order to live up to my promise to myself and my family to not be stunted emotionally by this experience, i had to re-examine everything i thought i was.

i discovered a great deal about my own preconceptions of how to live life; i became aware of much personal arrogance, rigidity and propensity to be in abridgement of the free will of my wife, and my kids. i realized i had tried to be the 'dictator' of my family, and as the man of the house believed i should have final say in how our children should be raised, and where and when my wife could work, etc.

now, much of this was a result of my own 'old world' upbringing (english) but it took the loss of the privilege of living with my boys and wife to learn that which i probably would have not learned any other way, in this lifetime. i came to be somewhat more evolved, spiritually, through this experience.

now, all this is not meant to draw a parallel to your life in particular, it's just to illustrate the fact that a greater good can come from the experience of major catalyst. i chose to not be a victim here, although it was hard; and feel a deep, real gratitude for the whole experience. i'm the better person for it.

anyway, after i was summarily turfed out, i got this little condo where i am now, and soon felt the crushing loneliness of coming home from work everyday to an empty house -- and this was entirely new to my experience. i had never lived alone before, and quite frankly hated it.

i soon discovered the solace of the neighbourhood pub, and regular social drinking became a way of life for the first time in my life. i was thankful for the company, and made many new friends. the drinking itself proved to loosen me up socially, as i had never been a good social mixer, and now i had lots of new friends who would all together raise a noisy, welcoming glass when i walked in the door.

now, i was a happy drunk, not a staggering drunk, not a loud or obnoxious drunk, but still a drunk. i was a popular drunk, and many sought out my confidence and friendship. i soon realized that i had come to associate drinking with fun, companionship, and women! i had been sexually 'deprived' for the last few years of my marriage, and let's say i felt a certain vindication.

not just with women, but with all the bar-based associations. i was popular, well liked, and felt much less lonely.

god, i was a lonely kid! i had felt a terrible ostracism as a child -- very, very different and strange. i was literally the smallest kid my age, sent to school with a bunch af canadian farm kids in an english school blazer by my folks, and had an english accent. all this on top of being 'from elsewhere', i feel, spiritually.

i was badly abused by some kids throughout grade school; in fact i realize now that i was very traumatized by it all.

anyway.

i still visit the bar, and realize that my fragile, wounded ego is still hurting. there is still some, to paraphrase ra, some 'experiencing all things desired' going on in my life, although with a continuation of learning of the futility of feeding the ego, i gradually replace these things with -- well, that which replaces these things!

having been acutely aware of the effect on my personality by my childhood experiences, i determine again not to be bitter, and have, by and large, not repressed my demons, but have given them free range in my life to catalyse me. this has been my excuse, and i'm sticking to it! (for now..)

sometimes not allowing your percieved dark side to find expression in your life can in effect represent catalyst ignored, resulting in a relentless build-up of pain and unrest. i'm not saying to drink yourself into oblivion -- i never drank to escape so much as to have it be a ticket into what i thought was missing in life (women, companionship, popularity and so on.)

sometimes we need to allow ourselves to embrace our shadows and let them come out to play -- and if our position or current paradigms in life is a percieved hindrance, or makes us feel not morally right, we may consider changing them to suit or arranging a balance of sorts so that various facets of our lives don't impinge negatively on each other.

acknowledge, embrace, thank and forgive your pre-dispositions; they represent the signposts on your personal road to becoming! allow them to manifest without guilt, and be damned what anyone else thinks.

and find how you can embrace yourself in the spirit of minding the free will of others...it's always possible!

love, mark

[MarkM]

i've recently met a very young child, an unhappy child made to feel inferior and bad, left alone to try to make sense of the world while in the clutches of those who say, "you're stupid, you're a geek, nobody likes you, let's dunk you in the river and laugh while you cry".

a child who believes he is inferior, unable to gain acceptance by his peers, and who believes he is somehow stunted, terminally weird and deserving of the taunts and ridicule of other, bigger and more cool kids.

i encountered him lost and alone, left for an age alone under a bridge he had been thrown from, and gathered him in my arms, and held him close to my bosum and showed him a little, magical light i keep in my pocket; and in the light it cast, we could see together the faces of those who taunted him so, and were both surprised to see tears of unhappiness raining down the faces of the tormentors.

so i aimed the light a little lower, at the hearts of the bullies, and set my light to stun, and sent a beam of stunning love energy,...and forgiveness...into those hearts. the little child looked into my eyes, and smiled! and took the light from my hands, and held the beam steady, all by himself. as he did, his smile grew, as did he, and when he finally put the light into his pocket, he looked just like me.

and i smiled, and i felt a hand cup my face, and with a slight start, realized it was my own hand.

to err is human; to forgive, is to come back to present time.


divine!

take care of yourself; be kind to you. others depend on that!

[Kenneths149]

dear mark, the courage , th ehonesty and directness of your sharing free me. thank you dear brother. i resonate with your truth and that more than anything comforts me deeply. it is like the warmth of a soft day a day covered in gentle fog the kind that england gets that makes for warmth and gentleness. such a gift mark . thank you sucha gift makes it worth the sorrow and pain. comfort in knowing i am not alone not lonely aware that i am part of true brotherhood of a family of beings thast care and treasure all experiences of all. choice pearls of wisdom more valuable that much fine gold. kenneths149

[Penny L]

i was painting my kitchen this morning when i had a personal ah-ha! it seemed to fit this thread.

it all started earlier this week when i found myself excitedly sharing with my brother (who'd helped with the wall preparation) my plans for the curtains i was going to hang. mid-way through my visualization with him, i realized, and acknowledged vocally to him, that he couldn't possibly care what i did with the curtains in my kitchen! i've been wondering what got into me ever since, and while revisiting the moment this morning, something emerged with joy that i just have to share here.

i realized that at this time period in human consciousness every human here (in one form or another) is working towards the fullness and balanced integration of the masculine/feminine in what was initially an off-balanced to the masculine, patriarchal society. the ways to the manifestation of that goal are broad and many--a very holistic approach--and instead of pointing fingers at whose got the "right or wrong" way of bringing in the balance, it's more important to celebrate the enormous diversity and accept with joy the unique, one-of-a-kind light each being type brings to the mix.

every human here is a soul manifested with a purpose for the evolution of consciousness.

thus, homosexual men are holding their identities as intellectual males (a strength) while outwardly exploring their more feminine (emotional--to name one) attributes. lesbians and feminists are seeking to strengthen the feminine and understand and empathize more fully with men by tasting of masculine approaches and traits.

look at the various forms of relationship and how each one adds a specific ingredient to the way humanity communicates with each other. women have a unique way of communicating with women, and men bond with men in a special way. women and men who are just close friends enjoy an additional form of communication. and spouses and living partners and children all add their unique ingredient to the communication aspect that helps us express what it's like to be human.

transsexuals bring a special consciousness and awareness to the mix, as well as cross dressers.

heterosexuals contribute in many and varied ways. i have a husband confident enough in his masculinity to openly enjoy shopping for clothes, curtains and items to decorate a house with. he's been tantamount in helping me embrace that feminine aspect of myself.

anyway, just had to get some of it down while the thoughts and images were fresh.

i guess what i'm saying here is that maybe another way of serving this ascension process is simply to open myself to enjoyment of the many ways of being. at least, that's what resonates with me--and i'm sticking to it. grin. please don't apologize to me for being you--ever. you're always bearing me a loving gift--let the packages be many and varied! that's my joy!

with love,
penny

[Mikazo]

if we go with the notion commonly accepted in metaphysics that our circumstances of birth are not an accident and that we choose our families, genders, countries, and challenges to tackle within a certain lifetime, why is it that people who identify as homosexual would often incarnate in families in which the parents are fundamentalist christians and preach fire and brimstone? this happens so frequently. is there any evolutionary purpose in setting such a split into motion beforehand, as opposed to being born in a family accepting of a gay sexual orientation?

i am similarly curious about transsexuals. why not incarnate into the gender you feel most comfortable as, rather than as one you don't resonate with and spending your whole life feeling out of sync with it and trying brutal surgeries to try to change into the opposite gender?

[Spiral of Light]

is there any evolutionary purpose in setting such a split into motion beforehand, as opposed to being born in a family accepting of a gay sexual orientation?

i am similarly curious about transsexuals. why not incarnate into the gender you feel most comfortable as, rather than as one you don't resonate with and spending your whole life feeling out of sync with it and trying brutal surgeries to try to change into the opposite gender?

hi mikazo,

ra answers part of your question here in session 31:

questioner: we have what seems to be an increasing number of entities incarnate here now who have what is called a homosexual orientation in this respect. could you explain and expand upon that concept?

ra: i am ra. entities of this condition experience a great deal of distortion due to the fact that they have experienced many incarnations as biological male and as biological female. this would not suggest what you call homosexuality in an active phase were it not for the difficult vibratory condition of your planetary sphere. there is what you may call great aura infringement among your crowded urban areas in your more populous countries, as you call portions of your planetary surface. under these conditions the confusions will occur.

questioner: why does density of population create these confusions?

ra: i am ra. the bisexual reproductive urge has as its goal, not only the simple reproductive function, but more especially the desire to serve others being awakened by this activity.

in an over-crowded situation where each mind/body/spirit complex is under a constant bombardment from other-selves it is understandable that those who are especially sensitive would not feel the desire to be of service to otherselves. this also would increase the probability of a lack of desire or a blockage of the red ray reproductive energy.

in an uncrowded atmosphere this same entity would, through the stimulus of feeling the solitude about it, then have much more desire to seek out someone to whom it may be of service thus regularizing the sexual reproductive function.

questioner: roughly how many previous incarnations, shall we say, would a male entity in this incarnation have had to have had in the past as a female to have a highly homosexual orientation in this incarnation? just roughly.

ra: i am ra. if an entity has had roughly 65% of its incarnations in the sexual/biological body complex, the opposite polarity to its present body complex, this entity is vulnerable to infringement of your urban areas and may perhaps become of what you call an homosexual nature.

it is to be noted at this juncture that although it is much more difficult, it is possible in this type of association for an entity to be of great service to another in fidelity and sincere green ray love of a nonsexual nature thus adjusting or lessening the distortions of its sexual impairment.

as to reasons for choosing to be born homosexual or transexual and into unaccepting families, the same reason probably applies to many other uncomfortable circumstances that we choose for our lives: to provide catalyst for growth for ourselves and for those who interact with us.

many times in many different circumstances, working through initial rejection and painful emotions allows us to grow into stronger, more forgiving, more accepting and loving individuals. both the homosexual child and the various family members who interact with that child are given unusual opportunities to become open, vulnerable, understanding and compassionate with one another. while the process may be painful, it can result in stronger love and understanding.

this is just my 2 cents... i'm sure there is much, much more that can be added.

with much love and light,
nancy

[E.J.]

as it seems ra might be getting somewhat of a "bad rap" regarding the intentions of his comments on homosexuality made in the law of one series, i thought it would be helpful to link in this psychic reading by dw of an entity who had questions on his own sexuality: http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13 (look further down the page for the reading)

a couple of notable quotes:

this flexibility is necessitated for the higher workings. it is a flexibility that comes about through one being balanced, self-knowing and self-aware.

the balance, therefore, could come quite surgically and directly by stating to oneself that if bisexual is the nature, or if gay is the nature of ones’ personal choice, that this is utterly and completely acceptable.



there are more and more of those in this society of yours who are recognizing that which is implicitly understood in higher realms; namely, gender is only a consequence of third density incarnation. gender becomes increasingly irrelevant as one moves outside of third density.

there may still be enough of a leaning in a particular soul so as to define the soul as more male or female in its overt vibratory status; however, since the physical body is much more of a thoughtform in nature, it would be equally possible for an entity that is feminine in its overall vibration to manifest a masculine form for a certain period of time and vice versa.

there are increasing cases of those babies that are born with androgynous sexual organs, meaning that both sets of equipment, if you will, exist. this is but one form in which the dna molecule is rebelling against its third density shacklings. while this androgyny is not a product of the fourth density body, so to speak, it rather has more to do with the essence of souls coming in at this time, which have not yet made a firm decision as to gender preference.


interestingly enough, ra is fully consistent with the law of one quotes, but his, or "their", intentions in this reading are much easier to identify. from a flat out recommendation to the entity to say, "that is utterly and completely acceptable", to an explanation for its occurrence in the human persona, "it would be equally possible for an entity that is feminine... to manifest a masculine form...", ra is clearly absent of any bias against homosexuality. i recommend reviewing the full reading for this entity to further see that ra shows only concern for the entity's self-acceptance, focusing on the need for "fluidity" and "balance".

also fascinating is ra's words on androgyny as a sign of the indecisive nature of "souls coming in at this time".

peace and love in the light,

e.j.

[Billuminous]

interesting stuff...i developed a serious case of gynecomastia (http://www.gynecomastia.org/content/general/gynart.shtml) during my early puberty years...it was so emotionally scarring that i ended getting surgical removal for both my breasts. the doctors couldn't explain it to me other than say that it might be related to marijuana (which i didn't use). later on, i thought it might be related to all the hormones in dairy milk. but now upon reading this, i would say it was probably related to my wanderer soul operating upon the dna of my physical body.

i'm sure others have similar stories, but may be too embarrassed to share them.:o

ra quote:

there are more and more of those in this society of yours who are recognizing that which is implicitly understood in higher realms; namely, gender is only a consequence of third density incarnation. gender becomes increasingly irrelevant as one moves outside of third density.

there may still be enough of a leaning in a particular soul so as to define the soul as more male or female in its overt vibratory status; however, since the physical body is much more of a thoughtform in nature, it would be equally possible for an entity that is feminine in its overall vibration to manifest a masculine form for a certain period of time and vice versa.

there are increasing cases of those babies that are born with androgynous sexual organs, meaning that both sets of equipment, if you will, exist. this is but one form in which the dna molecule is rebelling against its third density shacklings. while this androgyny is not a product of the fourth density body, so to speak, it rather has more to do with the essence of souls coming in at this time, which have not yet made a firm decision as to gender preference.