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arcadia
01-23-2006, 03:56 PM
hey guys,

i'm finally at a point here in la where i have the combination of an internet
connection and enough free time to write a brief update - certainly a rarity.

i am not sure what you are discussing right now, because i haven't had time to
read it, but one thing very much caught my eye. within three days after i
stopped participating, there were a substantial number of unsubscriptions.
several regular members have cast their final vote on what is going on by
completely abandoning this list and all its content.

in the same breath, i have had private emails urging me to create my own journal
separate from the discussion group, and simply discuss what i wish to discuss
there, based on discussion group postings, private emails, life events or
otherwise. some people do seem to want to just read more than discuss, and are
apparently not being spiritually fed enough by the other posts, and / or do not
have the time to read so many words, to warrant hanging on for the next two
weeks of my announced absence.

my guess is that if / when i go through the posts since i left, i will see
arguments continuing. most members really are not that invested in these
arguments, and quickly lose interest if they have to read through them - pro
david, anti david, pro drake, anti drake, pro guidelines, anti guidelines, et
cetera et cetera. i don't know what the solution to this die-off might be, but
be aware that it is happening - and actually by calling attention to it like
this, i may inadvertently only increase the bleeding - i don't know. ultimately
it is a question of free will and i shouldn't be too attached to it, but that's
not easy when there is such a sudden spike. some of those who left were the
authors of very insightful posts in the past, i should add.

that being said, i'll try to assuage those still on the fence by tossing out a
brief update here regarding what i've experienced since leaving kentucky, since
this is what i was told had been holding it together for the members who quit.

the plane flight to la wasn't that bad, but i did sit next to a guy who insisted
on putting the arm-rests down and completely elbowing out the space on them at
the same time, consuming more of the overall real estate for himself and to hell
with what the guys on either side thought. he also could not sit still for even
30 seconds - knee jerking away, he had to either play his video game or tap on
his laptop. he also couldn't type more than about two words at a time without
hitting his backspace key two or more times in a row - almost a second-by-second
ritual that became very irritating very quickly. in many ways this seems to be a
typical la personality structure, as i have discovered.

the car rental has turned out very well - i got upgraded to a bright orange
four-door when i voted for the full-gas-tank car, (which is the most
cost-effective if i actually drive all the gas out, hence lending itself to a
lot of "free" traveling time,) and once i learned my way around it, i enjoyed
myself immensely, though i do miss the power steering on the buick. the mapquest
directions to the conference were perfect, and truth be told, the freeways were
not anywhere near as bad as i had prepared myself for, mentally, over the entire
course of the last year. i expected people to be going top speed and staying
right on my tail, but in fact i felt very safe in these large traffic areas, and
the drivers all seemed to be very considerate, with a few notable exceptions. so
that was a relief.

my first stop was to the anaheim hilton, where i roomed for two nights with
larry seyer and attended the namm show, the largest conference exhibition in the
world. it was absolutely gigantic in size - the equivalent of four football
fields in length just on the main floor, with exhibits also on decks below and
decks above.

every manufacturer of music-oriented products puts their all into the namm show,
and you could walk for miles and miles without even beginning to see everything
there was to offer. drums, guitars, keyboards, pianos, brass, woodwinds,
amplifiers, software, hardware, techie stuff, dj stuff, you name it... you could
walk for miles and just never stop seeing new and exciting things. i was beyond
impressed; i guess "dazzled" would have to be the best word. at times it even
made me sexually aroused - i'm not kidding. "gear lust" was fired off to an
all-time high, but i still came out of it feeling very good about the studio
that i now have. by being in that environment and seeing what was out there, i
now knew how blessed i really was.

i actually had a fake 'tag' to get in without paying, posing as a tascam
employee named bill, but i knew so much about gigastudio, and larry's
contributions to it with the rooms, and the bass and drum libraries, that i
actually played the "sales" role anyway, as "david with bill's tag", and got
people turned on to the product. i could tell that the tascam people were pretty
tripped out that larry brought his "cool music friend" to the namm show and he
turned out to be a very valuable asset on the floor when he was there. i almost
certainly generated sales for them by the things i said to people, simply
because i am so impressed with gigastudio and did not at all mind sharing my
enthusiasm with others who were interested.

after another good run on the floor on saturday, i went on to my danish friend
dorte's house, and she was very sick with the flu, so i took care of her for two
days, cooking healthy and outrageously tasty meals, buying oscillococcinum,
olive leaf extract and echinacea-goldenseal tincture, and offering a listening
ear. this definitely strengthened our friendship, which has been entirely by
phone for the last year except for about 2 hours that we spent together at the
conscious life expo in la last february. we are getting along famously in
person, after knowing each other so well from hours a week on the phone this
past year. in the course of these conversations, i clarified my intention to
significantly change my facial appearance to match the intensity of change that
i have gone through on the internal level.

huh? that's a very fancy way of saying that under rather crude circumstances,
since you cannot bring razors through the airport anymore, i ended up shaving
off the mustache and beard. dorte had these old-fashioned japanese
straight-razors on a stick, used for shaving your eyebrows, and her normal
leg-shaving blades were all at the gym and she was too sick to go. so, after
going as far as i could with scissors, i did a bloody 1800's-style shaving job
on myself, and for the first time since before september 11th 2001, i am now
back to the au-naturel "baby face" where the cayce resemblance really screams
back at me from the mirror. i felt the need to do it right away before i lost
the nerve, because once i second-guessed myself that would be it, and then it
would never get done. so i felt the urgency of the whole thing, and carried
through with it regardless of interference.

in some ways the results of this move were very triggering, and i hated it, but
dorte said i looked good, and on my own side of the fence i am working through
the revulsion that it creates in me as a vital self-acceptance piece. i do need
to deal with this and stop feeling so plagued by the fact that this really is
who i am. after all, this is my face. period. no orthodontic work or otherwise
is going to change that basic fact.

after five years i had aged under the beard, which was a bit of a rude surprise
- particularly at the corners of my mouth and a line that had formed above the
chin. once it was over, i found myself looking more like the other musicians at
the namm show than i ever would have expected... a moderately unattractive male,
in some respects, who took that "less than perfect" surface appearance and
sublimated it into deep creative work, searching for something larger than
himself since nothing was ever just handed to him in this world. with his
creative and intuitive work, he compensated for what was not intrinsically
"given" to him, as it might be to others who look more attractive in the
conventional sense.

i really had to deal with how much i had grown the beard as a form of "armoring"
against the world. after sabrina was hit by that car, and became so consistently
verbal with me thereafter, i did grow the beard as a wall that obscured my cayce
resemblance and created some natural distance between myself and others, making
them less likely to recognize me (until the pics went online, that is,) and made
me feel stronger, more masculine, more able to defend myself.

dropping the "armor" was harder than i thought, and my first impulse was to be
almost driven to tears with how "ugly" i was. in fact, the tears did have to
flow, but my higher self had to conspire a means of getting it to happen that
was not directly related, so i would get it out, but more on that later in the
timeline. i realize now, after a lot of work, that my reaction is not because of
my face being ugly, but because of its similarity to edgar cayce and all that
this entails. so i'm working on that one.

the trigger came when i got terribly confused and lost, driving from dorte's to
my director's house last night. i had a complete emotional breakdown while
driving on sunset blvd. and heading near downtown la, realizing that i had made
a terrible mistake since i had not used mapquest. this has happened enough times
before that it did not impair my ability to drive. in reality i was purging all
the emotions that were stirred up from dropping the 'armor', and on some level i
knew that. i was finally dealing with the reality of who i am, what i've come
here to do, and where it's all going, with this film. it was pretty
overwhelming, but on another level i did need to release it.

when i finally called daniele for directions, it was past the time she had
wanted to go to bed, which had only further increased my regret, and i tried to
take down her new directions on my paper with an exploded pen - the only one i
had in any of my ensemble. there was so much extra ink just balled up and
dripping on the pen that i tried to shake it off, and ended up polka-dotting my
entire right hand with big, thick blotches. this made me look as if i had been
infected by some curious skin ailment. i did not wipe the blotches because i
knew they would only spread and stain more. i knew i was in a major initiation
and i wasn't handling it very well.

then i was overwhelmed when i got here, because unlike having a separate,
isolated bedroom of my own at dorte's, here i am smack-dab in the middle of
daniele's office, which curiously resembles my grandfather's office from
beverwyck, where they last lived when he was still alive. there was no sense of
private space. papa could get quite abusive at times, as did nana, and now i was
getting triggered - hardcore - by those memories. i felt absurdly threatened and
i knew it was all in my head. i talked to dorte on the phone about it and she
tried to talk me down.

daniele fell asleep right after i got here, but the house was at 70, and i
discovered well over an hour after she went to bed that the bedspread was the
equivalent thickness of one thin blanket. so, even with my pants on, a
short-sleeved t-shirt and long-sleeved t-shirt, i was so cold that i could not
achieve sleep. this only further seemed to be a "trauma recall" of what my
entire life had felt like since i grew the beard for "protection." the lesson
seemed to be that i would have to take care of myself, no matter what, adnd find
a way to survive.

so, finally i bit the bullet, got out of bed despite how much colder it made me
in that moment to be outside of the limited warmth that was there, and i put on
my long-sleeve flannel shirt and my jacket as well, then went back to bed. only
then did i have enough basic warmth to achieve liftoff. it seemed that the
lesson was that rather than being a codependent seeking rescue from another,
like a woman (and we know how well that had worked out for me), i would have to
rescue myself, and provide my own warmth, even if "the world" had no warmth of
its own to give me.

it was very clear that all of this was triggered not so much because i had
created bad karma for myself, or anything like that, but more because i was just
going through a tremendous emotional shock from performing this "armor-dropping"
exercise that same day. now i will be far more recognizable to anyone who has
seen the cover of the reincarnation? book or my website, and more importantly i
have a more sensitive and vulnerable face once again.

anyway, that seems to have been the big "lesson" of this whole thing, but there
are other side tangents to the story, so i will go on.

daniele isn't back until 9pm tonight, so i do basically have the place to myself
all day today, and i will undoubtedly try to get more sleep after finishing this
little entry. dorte and i did go see the place in bel-air yesterday, with my
newly fresh face capturing the wind and sun, and it seems like a great way to
get started, even if it does end up only lasting for a month. we saw another
place just two blocks away that was a two bedroom for around 1800 a month, at
the upper limit of what i had been willing to take on in terms of cost, and it
really had more space than i would even need - but it was nice. if i had enough
furniture it could be well worth it, as the structure certainly lent itself to a
feeling of bigness and privacy.

i did also remind myself that i might (i very much stress might) be able to take
on a certain number of clients per month once i get myself established at a
stable residence, and that has the added benefit of being an option that can
reduce any additional panic i might have of running out of money in what is
admittedly a very expensive area to live. compared to the dumpy, slummy
atmosphere i felt in venice, beverly hills was like paradise. i do feel that the
"energy" is better in areas where people are not dealing with grinding poverty
and desperation, the streets are cleaner and there are ample trees despite being
in a "city." people know, on some level, why it is worth paying extra to be in
these areas.

so, if i did take on clients again, i could possibly get my 'therapy instincts'
out in a form that was more conducive to quick growth on both sides, rather than
staying in that "head" more often. i realize now that if you stay in the
"therapy head" too much, it can really drag you down, and that was why i had to
stop doing it last year - it had become a personally unfavorable addiction that
kept me locked in "healing mode" rather than in creativity. even so, re-opening
a wait list would, if i did it, create "demand inundation" once again, and i
have no idea what the solution might be to that obvious problem, except that i
would probably take on a certain number, perhaps 50, and then close it again.

in case there is concern about this, i would, of course, telegraph such a move -
you would hear about it well before it started, because as it is there are about
20-30 people who i bumped after i collapsed the whole thing in august, and most
of them would still want it if i were to get back into doing this again. i would
probably raise the rate to 200, since my cost of living has increased, and only
do about 5 a month, rather than 4 a week as i did before, since i now have the
film income to keep things going otherwise. cayce's rate, by today's dollars,
would be 250, and many others with my level of exposure charge 300 or more for
the same type of service, so i do not feel this would be price-gouging behavior.
dreaming someone else's dreams just over once a week would be vastly preferable
to doing it every other day like i was between january 2003 and july 2005.

anyway, things are starting to shape up pretty well out here and i am not
regretting doing it. the weather in kentucky was pouring rain and gloom almost
every day, and so cold that you could hardly go outside without bundling up. the
day before my flight, it had snowed and there was black ice everywhere, with
winds so harsh that you were constantly fighting the wind with your car as you
tried to drive along. by comparison, the sunlight and warmth out here seems like
a gift from god, and very energetically rejuvenating.

well, i'm feeling really tired now, so i guess this is it. tomorrow is our first
big meeting for the film since i got here, and it should be an interesting one.
i'll keep you updated as i get the chance, which may not be often but will
happen occasionally.

peace be with you -

- david

Monica Leal
01-23-2006, 11:00 PM
--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=y07-10cipt3bfjd1hbhiwrmcs6gnchc0rmcgh0awxhgktramrtjdlc lpks9liex0rwl_zwetels6mb4-), djw333@i... wrote:
>within three days after i stopped participating, there were a
substantial number of unsubscriptions.

it is conceivable that they unsubscribed because of the discord on the
forum, and not because you didn't post for 3 days. there have been
many other times that you didn't post for more than 3 days at a time.
just a thought!

>
> in the same breath, i have had private emails urging me to create my
own journal separate from the discussion group, and simply discuss
what i wish to discuss there
>

this sounds like an interesting idea. what about the new forum? i know
on carla's forum she has a journal section. that seems to work well,
from what i can tell - those who want to read it do, and those who
want to read certain topics can do that.

prrrba
01-23-2006, 11:27 PM
--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=gg7mrqknqay88a_mosenzefzrwnl3vihzdjhhx thfnu_z1qdvj_iij5_f2vfpeayt_2ybzh4j2wndhf9), "monica leal" <lealdragon@g...> wrote:
>
> --- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=gg7mrqknqay88a_mosenzefzrwnl3vihzdjhhx thfnu_z1qdvj_iij5_f2vfpeayt_2ybzh4j2wndhf9), djw333@i... wrote:
> >within three days after i stopped participating, there were a
> substantial number of unsubscriptions.
>
> it is conceivable that they unsubscribed because of the discord on the
> forum, and not because you didn't post for 3 days. there have been
> many other times that you didn't post for more than 3 days at a time.
> just a thought!


you may be reading things into david's language, monica. i don't pick
up on the causal link you're implying in david's words at all. it
wouldn't hurt to clarify with david what he actually meant before
reacting so decidedly. or have you appointed yourself with the role
of publicly keeping david's ego in check?

chris

John Seymour
01-24-2006, 02:54 PM
> in the same breath, i have had private emails urging me to create my
own journal separate from the discussion group, and simply discuss
what i wish to discuss there
>

--

i don't think there's necessarily a need for a new forum, its just that
lately this one has been getting flooded with so many topics/posts that
are for the most part unimportant (arguments about forum guidelines,
especially).

imho, what i think needs to be done is for everyone to rethink what the
purpose of this forum is. isn't it to help us all gain a better
understanding of the loo, dw's, (and everyone else's) material? isn't it
meant as a guide for learning and teaching? where have all the topics
exploring these ideas gone? all of us have come here to learn/teach -
please, lets return to that beautiful state where we can do so :)

peace be with you in the light of love -
john


[non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Monica Leal
01-24-2006, 03:20 PM
whoa, sorry! i was not implying anything about ego at all. i
interpreted david's words to mean that he thought people were
quitting due to his lack of involvement. i was trying to reassure
him that he needn't feel pressured to post every day in order to
keep people active, but to post whenever he can.

no need to get nasty - it was an honest misinterpretation. just
because i have dared to question david on a few things does not mean
i am out to get him. i've also defended him a lot too.

whew, hasn't there been enough nastiness? i though we were thru that.

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=-2mq4me9xn6ju5tnobfk6aldms31o2ukhe9xqw11lhfftosbsnu 7kli4wzwhqziaomvfgd7hmng8u5ppigkn), "prrrba" <prrrba@y...> wrote:
>
> --- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=-2mq4me9xn6ju5tnobfk6aldms31o2ukhe9xqw11lhfftosbsnu 7kli4wzwhqziaomvfgd7hmng8u5ppigkn), "monica leal" <lealdragon@g...>
wrote:
> >
> > --- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=-2mq4me9xn6ju5tnobfk6aldms31o2ukhe9xqw11lhfftosbsnu 7kli4wzwhqziaomvfgd7hmng8u5ppigkn), djw333@i... wrote:
> > >within three days after i stopped participating, there were a
> > substantial number of unsubscriptions.
> >
> > it is conceivable that they unsubscribed because of the discord
on the
> > forum, and not because you didn't post for 3 days. there have
been
> > many other times that you didn't post for more than 3 days at a
time.
> > just a thought!
>
>
> you may be reading things into david's language, monica. i don't
pick
> up on the causal link you're implying in david's words at all. it
> wouldn't hurt to clarify with david what he actually meant before
> reacting so decidedly. or have you appointed yourself with the
role
> of publicly keeping david's ego in check?
>
> chris
>

prrrba
01-24-2006, 03:38 PM
--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=kte2vawjlffjcf0oxjilj4rvaosprpuhsxgzdd h03xlideudvltgnkezpivzma4a4rgmu9hlajnifw6ev6cw), "monica leal" <lealdragon@g...> wrote:
>
> whoa, sorry! i was not implying anything about ego at all. i
> interpreted david's words to mean that he thought people were
> quitting due to his lack of involvement. i was trying to reassure
> him that he needn't feel pressured to post every day in order to
> keep people active, but to post whenever he can.
>
> no need to get nasty - it was an honest misinterpretation. just
> because i have dared to question david on a few things does not mean
> i am out to get him. i've also defended him a lot too.
>
> whew, hasn't there been enough nastiness? i though we were thru that.



monica, your original comment to david that i was responding to was:

m: "it is conceivable that they unsubscribed because of the discord
on the forum, and not because you didn't post for 3 days. there have
been many other times that you didn't post for more than 3 days at a
time. just a thought!"

now, you are suggesting something that actually sounds very different
to me. you are saying:

m: "i was trying to reassure him that he needn't feel pressured to
post every day in order to keep people active, but to post whenever he
can."

to me, these are two >very< different sounding communications. i do
appreciate your clarification.

also, my question to you about whether you have appointed yourself
with the role i mentioned was direct, yes. since my question was
confrontive in this way, it may have sounded nasty, but in fact, it
was really just an honest question i was asking -- as your original
question to david also was.

thank you for the clarification of your intended meaning.


respectfully,

chris

Pi
01-24-2006, 06:29 PM
> --- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=c87ssbcvmcnzbrog0dxpwguqquokujc52grdgh kvfetvnvvlncentnljsf_f0fsqz8itwbupmxjuws0), "prrrba" <prrrba@y...> wrote:
> monica, your original comment to david that i was responding to was:
> m: "it is conceivable that they unsubscribed because of the discord
on the forum, and not because you didn't post for 3 days. there have
been many other times that you didn't post for more than 3 days at a
time. just a thought!"
> now, you are suggesting something that actually sounds very different
to me. you are saying:
> m: "i was trying to reassure him that he needn't feel pressured to
> post every day in order to keep people active, but to post whenever
he can." >
> to me, these are two >very< different sounding communications. i do
appreciate your clarification.

chris & all,
monica is more direct & concise in the 2nd post, but the intent is just
the same. aside from clarity, i don't know why or how they sound very
different. let's be gentle, please.
love & peace, pi

Dave M.
01-24-2006, 07:34 PM
--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=3jr-embecpivg5iu89qnp8olpizsdxjbn-uod39d81nsptyizb7qusas6davpytalyddfbvbgy9yxlotxka) , "monica leal" <lealdragon@g...> wrote:
>
> --- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=3jr-embecpivg5iu89qnp8olpizsdxjbn-uod39d81nsptyizb7qusas6davpytalyddfbvbgy9yxlotxka) , djw333@i... wrote:
> >within three days after i stopped participating, there were a
> substantial number of unsubscriptions.
>
> it is conceivable that they unsubscribed because of the discord on the
> forum, and not because you didn't post for 3 days. there have been
> many other times that you didn't post for more than 3 days at a time.
> just a thought!


what i don't get, monica, is why you chose to focus on the "not posting in 3
days" aspect. because
that's not what i thought dw's explanation was for the exodus after i read it.
two paragraphs later he
says "my guess is that if / when i go through the posts since i left, i will see
arguments continuing.
most members really are not that invested in these arguments, and quickly lose
interest if they have to
read through them...". which tells me he suspected that it was because of
"discord". which is exactly
what you tried to convince him of, yet he had already said it!

so my guess is that this dichotomy led chris to question if you were checking
david's ego. because when
i read your post i did think it sounded sarcastic given that david had already
mentioned discord as a
possibility.

l&l, dave

Monica Leal
01-24-2006, 08:38 PM
actually i was at work, started reading dw's long post, started on a
reply, then got busy and didn't get to read the rest of it. i went
ahead and sent what i had, intending to read the rest later.

sorry - this is a lesson for me to not respond to a post unless i read
the whole thing.

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=i9kcuj1udofbkkgsgdcqffowoexc6adcz-bmvvfrxdl8zntirbplmw_0a03hrvv-ai4wwlhmtot5_hsp), "dave m." <dmeye@p...> wrote:

> what i don't get, monica, is why you chose to focus on the "not
posting in 3 days" aspect. because
> that's not what i thought dw's explanation was for the exodus after
i read it. two paragraphs later he
> says "my guess is that if / when i go through the posts since i
left, i will see arguments continuing.
> most members really are not that invested in these arguments, and
quickly lose interest if they have to
> read through them...". which tells me he suspected that it was
because of "discord". which is exactly
> what you tried to convince him of, yet he had already said it!
>
> so my guess is that this dichotomy led chris to question if you were
checking david's ego. because when
> i read your post i did think it sounded sarcastic given that david
had already mentioned discord as a
> possibility.
>
> l&l, dave
>

Dave M.
01-24-2006, 09:24 PM
thanks, i suspected something along those lines. it is a good idea to read the
entire post
first, before replying. i often find that as i read a post it develops as it
goes along, and
consequently, things i thought i might want to comment on get explained later.

also, sometimes i've read replies to posts, and wonder if the person replying
read the same
post i did. i think maybe this is a habit of others as well, or maybe they skim
the posts so
quickly that they misunderstand what was said.

anyway, it's nice to know that another mystery has been solved! :)


----- original message -----
from: "monica leal" lealdragon@g...

> actually i was at work, started reading dw's long post, started on a
> reply, then got busy and didn't get to read the rest of it. i went
> ahead and sent what i had, intending to read the rest later.
>
> sorry - this is a lesson for me to not respond to a post unless i read
> the whole thing.

prrrba
01-24-2006, 09:25 PM
monica, i apologize if i myself was presumptuous about your intention.
pi mentions the similarity of intention between both of your
communications; but for me, your first post seemed intentionally
sarcastic, whereas the second seemed very sincere.

i am not david's defender. however, after reading his recent missive,
i was deeply struck by the richness of his struggle to come to terms
with his own life in a way that seems perfectly grueling in very real
moments. appreciating that, as well as the quality of naked
vulnerability he presented, i then read your initial response, which
seemed blatantly sarcastic to me in its wording by contrast. i wanted
to know what brought that about. that is where i jumped to
conclusions, whereas i should have been more gentle, yes. i will
certainly try to be moreso next time.

it looks like we are learning here.

sincerely, chris



--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=ye0mxylccige4eekhggbvntyp5etxfqu5g1ql4 og1m0dunm5nxkh4biehgrsxh6mmarc8kh3hruxc2rotq), "monica leal" <lealdragon@g...> wrote:
>
> actually i was at work, started reading dw's long post, started on a
> reply, then got busy and didn't get to read the rest of it. i went
> ahead and sent what i had, intending to read the rest later.
>
> sorry - this is a lesson for me to not respond to a post unless i read
> the whole thing.
>
> --- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=ye0mxylccige4eekhggbvntyp5etxfqu5g1ql4 og1m0dunm5nxkh4biehgrsxh6mmarc8kh3hruxc2rotq), "dave m." <dmeye@p...> wrote:
>
> > what i don't get, monica, is why you chose to focus on the "not
> posting in 3 days" aspect. because
> > that's not what i thought dw's explanation was for the exodus after
> i read it. two paragraphs later he
> > says "my guess is that if / when i go through the posts since i
> left, i will see arguments continuing.
> > most members really are not that invested in these arguments, and
> quickly lose interest if they have to
> > read through them...". which tells me he suspected that it was
> because of "discord". which is exactly
> > what you tried to convince him of, yet he had already said it!
> >
> > so my guess is that this dichotomy led chris to question if you were
> checking david's ego. because when
> > i read your post i did think it sounded sarcastic given that david
> had already mentioned discord as a
> > possibility.
> >
> > l&l, dave
> >
>

Monica Leal
01-25-2006, 09:39 AM
thanks chris! ;-)

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=x8guzlvaa9tiudaunj9k5nlerxs_hkiul1buhu mqcarpg5vie9gbpnx3hyt_45c1vyvhjqxnbpwbhtzj0sg), "prrrba" <prrrba@y...> wrote:
>
> monica, i apologize if i myself was presumptuous about your intention.

David Wilcock
01-06-2007, 01:53 PM
hey everyone,

just wanted to let you know i haven't dropped off the face of the earth. i
spent almost all of december out of my apartment, got healthy again after
the first week and a half in ny, and now my lease comes up to its end as of
february 1st - so i'm now actively looking for a new place to live.

being on a lower-level apartment created endless problems with sleep, due to
my neighbor's kitchen being right over my head among other things. she just
ran the dishwasher again this morning at about 8:30 am, which is like a
sledgehammer against my earplugs. it's a wild, complicated dance to try to
find the right mix of ingredients for my next place - three of the best
choices i've seen so far are really close to power lines, so i'm
automatically ruling them out - but i am committed to the search, and
ultimately i have until the end of the month, so new opportunities may
manifest as i go.

i did clean out some space on my hard drive so i can continue processing new
readings, but i'm probably going to transcribe the one i got in ny on my own
- so that's likely to happen today. if i load it up with graphics on the web
it might take more time but hopefully i can get it out in one day.

the bulk of my time (until this week) has been spent working on the new 2012
book, and as soon as i get that done i'm going to work on finishing all the
mystery school texts that you've helped me transcribe - i just got very
clear messages that the 2012 book had to come first, so i honored that. i
could be looking for apartments today but i figure i have a much better
chance reaching people during the week than i would on the weekend - so i'm
taking this time just to write and transcribe.

wish me luck finding a new place - this is an exciting step and a great
opportunity to shift the energy! being on a lower level means that you never
really have much light in your apartment - so that's one thing i'm
definitely ready to change. i have looked through every possible avenue and
it seems that westside rentals is far and above the best option available -
so i am more or less aware of every place that is currently available now in
my neighborhood.

peace be with you -

- david

cobra42898
01-07-2007, 02:08 PM
--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=bplqifmabhzewjnxkjasafxmpn6bfywems308k 61mf3btqqlcgvvpldmxa1dhnckxqiebkhj1s6ngakkbsdu), djw333@... wrote:
> i am not sure what you are discussing right now, because i haven't
had time to read it, but one thing very much caught my eye. within
three days after i stopped participating, there were a substantial
number of unsubscriptions. several regular members have cast their
final vote on what is going on by completely abandoning this list and
all its content.
>
> in the same breath, i have had private emails urging me to create my
own journal separate from the discussion group, >

tg: the best i can recommend is just to keep all things in
perspective. group members will come and go. i've been a part of other
groups, and left them when disputes arose. in my case it was a car
club. just because i don't post there doesn't mean i no longer have an
interest in the subject matter, it just means that isn't the best
option for me to pursue it at this time. likewise here, i would highly
suspect that just because others leave this place doesn't mean that
they haven't learned from their experiences here or are no longer
interested in their spirituality. whether they post here or not, their
increased awareness is still valuable in the big picture.

as for the discussion on personal type postings, i think it could only
benefit the group to share our experiences. it's difficult to balance
the more science-oriented focus of this group with the more personal
discussions some would like. i don't know about the constraints of the
yahoo framework, but having a second arena for non-scientific posts
would probably be the most acceptable option. just mho so don't place
too much emotion on my words.

dw:
> i really had to deal with how much i had grown the beard as a form
of "armoring" against the world. , i did grow the
beard as a wall that obscured my cayce resemblance and created some
natural distance between myself and others, making them less likely to
recognize me (until the pics went online, that is,)
> dropping the "armor" was harder than i thought...
> anyway, that seems to have been the big "lesson" of this whole
thing,

tg: i found this part to be very comforting, as i'm also experiencing
a similar situation. the common theme is that it's impossible to
ignore aspects of our lives, much as we try. a new person (at least in
this lifetime, i suspect its not the first) entered my life in
november, and i followed some well-meaning but misguided advice which
i now regret. while my friends sought to prevent me from the risks of
opening myself up to this person, recent events have made me realize
that not facing up to myself and/or my feelings is just plain silly. i
hope that i haven't damaged things in the process. there's really no
reason to build up defenses to keep others out. all are one, so
keeping others out is in effect denying myself. denying the truth just
makes it more difficult to face later. it appears you're learning the
same lesson concurrently.

i wish you luck in your journey, and i'll try to remember to meditate
on all this tonight. sometimes i wonder if i really make a difference
doing it, but the readings are always certain that this is so. i'm
still a newbie on this board, but hopefully my contributions are
useful here. and good luck apartment shopping too.

may we all shine on.
tom

Cindy Weisser
01-07-2007, 03:48 PM
gobal warming paper.......anyone know al gore's e-mail
address? maybe he needs to do some more research to
find the "real" reason!
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0503/0503158.pdf

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usn_5371
01-08-2007, 05:23 AM
hey group,

this seams a bit silly, maybe there are other reasons why they left, i
dont think you should post just cause you feel you have to, you seam to
lead an extremely busy life & i dont know how you get the time to post
as much as you do. if someone takes this personally then thats there
problem, althought im not sure this is the case.


peace


chris




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>
> --- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=x-ldqk_k1dg3xzamzxpjfi3bimrboz06oamdiekghnu1wvfystpj r7kojse7l_aifnf3fvdmknpfa4zkhci), djw333@ wrote:
> > i am not sure what you are discussing right now, because i haven't
> had time to read it, but one thing very much caught my eye. within
> three days after i stopped participating, there were a substantial
> number of unsubscriptions. several regular members have cast their
> final vote on what is going on by completely abandoning this list and
> all its content.
> >
> > in the same breath, i have had private emails urging me to create my
> own journal separate from the discussion group, >
>

David Wilcock
01-08-2007, 04:14 PM
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subject: [asc2k] re: brief update...

hey group,

this seams a bit silly, maybe there are other reasons why they left, i dont
think you should post just cause you feel you have to, you seam to lead an
extremely busy life & i dont know how you get the time to post as much as
you do. if someone takes this personally then thats there problem, althought
im not sure this is the case.

peace

chris

dw: i'm not sure why this particular post got brought up, as i believe it
hails from somewhere back around october 2005 or thereabouts. it might be
more recent, but that was the last time we had a seriously major issue about
people leaving in droves because of a conflict on the site.

as i've grown more, i've become less involved with what people think.
negative opinions are ok, and i will look at them and see if there's
anything i need to think about, but i'm certainly not going to run around
trying to make everyone happy anymore - you have to live your own life.

peace be with you -

- david

Gwen
01-08-2007, 06:39 PM
> as i've grown more, i've become less involved with what people think.
negative opinions are ok, and i will look at them and see if there's
anything i need to think about, but i'm certainly not going to run
around trying to make everyone happy anymore - you have to live your own
life.
>
> peace be with you -
>
> - david
>


hey david!

i haven't been on the group site for a while..so missed all the
bruhahas. hope you are soon in your new light filled home.

blessings,

gwen

p.s. i just love that you are letting face shine your 'light'.. 'cause
you are one of the shining ones of our planet's now time. sending lots
of love..

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