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M.W.
10-18-2005, 12:42 PM
i picked this up at a model airplane discussion site.
i know the author by reputation, but don't know if
he is doing some leg pulling here. but rather than
sit on it i'll wince a bit and pass it on.

there is a reading fragment left out in the original
accounts of the ra material circa 1981, but used in
the special-use volume 5 that ties loose ends together.

the fragment concernerns earth-based, government-operated
"saucer" type flying devices (not manned, but virtual
weapons) having spans of 23 feet and capable of 1/2 that
of light speed (!!! ???) don elkins' felt it best put it
on ice at the time. i can see why! one especially one
wonders about the estimated speed.

however, that makes the account below more readily
believable to me, but the following could well be a hoax
or disinformation its hard to imagine how 'they' could employ
this extreme technology and keep it quite, or why those with
this info to let loose haven't been black opsed! i have
asked ed for a confirmation of this brain twister. perhaps
this later bit is only a product of think-tank projection.

bill g.


x-planes
========
author : ed_schema xxxxxxx


this is an excerpt, about 1/80th of a paper i received
from a retired lockheed "skunkworks" buddy of mine. it
is wild! if you want the whole thing just email me. did
you know that we used anti-gravity aircraft with laser
guns in the gulf war?

this is not the aircraft used in the gulf war but it is
part of this paper on "x-planes".

the taw-50 utilizes electrogravitics to maintain its own
artificial gravity while in weightless space, as well as
to nullify the vehicle's mass during operations.
the contractor did not reveal the size of the space
fighter-bomber except to say, "it's a pretty big thing."
the performance of the taw-50 makes it virtually impossible
to defend against. it can hide in orbit many hundreds of
miles into space, orbiting at times at 22,000 mph. then,
without warning, it can dive straight down through the
atmosphere at over 38,000 miles per hour on an
80-degree attack vector, reverse direction within 150
feet of the ground with very little loss of motion and
without a glide turn, and almost
instantly go vertically straight up at over 38,000 mph
until long afterit leaves the atmosphere and resumes
orbiting in space.

the contractor noted, "those [electro-]gravitics allow
it to change its mass to almost nothing in a moment, and
reverse direction in a second, increase its acceleration
to so many times g [earth's gravity] it's not funny, yet
they are able to nearly nullify the g force on the pilots.

they [the electrogravitics] are fourth generation, with the
ability to bring it to a complete standstill in under 2
milliseconds, if need be, without crushing the pilots,
and keep it there for quite some time."

??????

Bones
10-19-2005, 01:09 PM
i'm new to this list and to the law of one. some of the posts here have been so
very tantilizing!

what originally got my attention was the online book, the divine cosmos. then i
read some of the "channeling" of ra...and one or two things that were said could
only have been known world-wide, in 1981, by a mere handful of scholars with
knowledge in multiple disciplines. so i subscribed to this list to gain further
information.

there have been a few "off topic" posts that i have seen where i have some
small bits of info that will 'fit' and make your knowledge base more complete.
this post about anti-gravity may be one such case.

here is only one example.

http://www.americanantigravity.com/blogs/13/the-mysterious-tr-3b---govt-ufo

the principles of the science have been known by russia and the us for almost a
hundred years. both nations have had ufo programs. they built their own flying
saucers. knowledge of these programs was suddenly suppressed in the late 1950's.
it all went "black ops" and "black budget."

in fact, a wwii nazi "ufo" design is for sale on the internet as a model.
apparently it is a working model that you can build in your garage or workshop.
...and that's with sixty-year old technology...

where this may be relevant to this list is that this is only one of numerous
examples of where information and science have been suppressed or hidden from
the public.

as an aside, scientists have recently 'discovered' how to build a star trek-like
cloaking device.
http://www.harvardsciencereview.org/issues/spring2005/pages_10_10.pdf combined
with other publicly known tech, any such vehicle would effectively become
"invisible." this does make mention of advances in torsion fields,
hyper-dimensions or other aspects of cutting edge physics.

such anti-gravity as is mentioned is entirely possible and well within the
realm of scientific reality.

there is much more that i could share in order to verify what i say here, but
this list isn't about technology.

bones
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i picked this up at a model airplane discussion site.
i know the author by reputation, but don't know if
he is doing some leg pulling here. but rather than
sit on it i'll wince a bit and pass it on.

there is a reading fragment left out in the original
accounts of the ra material circa 1981, but used in
the special-use volume 5 that ties loose ends together.

the fragment concernerns earth-based, government-operated
"saucer" type flying devices (not manned, but virtual
weapons) having spans of 23 feet and capable of 1/2 that
of light speed (!!! ???) don elkins' felt it best put it
on ice at the time. i can see why! one especially one
wonders about the estimated speed.

however, that makes the account below more readily
believable to me, but the following could well be a hoax
or disinformation its hard to imagine how 'they' could employ
this extreme technology and keep it quite, or why those with
this info to let loose haven't been black opsed! i have
asked ed for a confirmation of this brain twister. perhaps
this later bit is only a product of think-tank projection.

bill g.


x-planes
========
author : ed_schema xxxxxxx


this is an excerpt, about 1/80th of a paper i received
from a retired lockheed "skunkworks" buddy of mine. it
is wild! if you want the whole thing just email me. did
you know that we used anti-gravity aircraft with laser
guns in the gulf war?

this is not the aircraft used in the gulf war but it is
part of this paper on "x-planes".

the taw-50 utilizes electrogravitics to maintain its own
artificial gravity while in weightless space, as well as
to nullify the vehicle's mass during operations.
the contractor did not reveal the size of the space
fighter-bomber except to say, "it's a pretty big thing."
the performance of the taw-50 makes it virtually impossible
to defend against. it can hide in orbit many hundreds of
miles into space, orbiting at times at 22,000 mph. then,
without warning, it can dive straight down through the
atmosphere at over 38,000 miles per hour on an
80-degree attack vector, reverse direction within 150
feet of the ground with very little loss of motion and
without a glide turn, and almost
instantly go vertically straight up at over 38,000 mph
until long afterit leaves the atmosphere and resumes
orbiting in space.

the contractor noted, "those [electro-]gravitics allow
it to change its mass to almost nothing in a moment, and
reverse direction in a second, increase its acceleration
to so many times g [earth's gravity] it's not funny, yet
they are able to nearly nullify the g force on the pilots.

they [the electrogravitics] are fourth generation, with the
ability to bring it to a complete standstill in under 2
milliseconds, if need be, without crushing the pilots,
and keep it there for quite some time."

??????











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Petrus
10-19-2005, 01:46 PM
> i know the author by reputation, but don't know if
> he is doing some leg pulling here. but rather than
> sit on it i'll wince a bit and pass it on.

hi bill,
i've been reading about ufology myself since probably around the age of
five, and there have been reports of this kind of thing for longer than
that.

given the abundance of theoretical models for antigravity propulsion, and
the degree of secrecy which the us government is able to maintain when it
wants to, in my own opinion it is fairly probable that this kind of
technology exists. after all, it would probably only require one or two of
the numerous accounts of saucer crashes to be true. the main problem that
they would probably run into is fuel, since most of the accounts/theories
suggest that the propulsion system is fueled by elements normally found on
the ets' planet of origin, and not naturally occuring on earth.

some would possibly consider me gullible for believing in this, but when
there's as much smoke as i've seen regarding this particular topic, in the
end you're forced to assume that there's fire somewhere.