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David Wilcock
08-08-2005, 08:14 AM
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bjorn nitmou

>in a way though, if it takes "chops" to create the
scientific material, then it almost creates a
limitation for those of us who dont have "chops,"
because you could likely make a strong argument that
it must also take "chops" or a high iq just to read
and understand such material. which is something we
are all trying to do.

dw: no, see, there's the point! it is much harder to cast a wide mental net
over the huge body of possible data that could be drawn off of for this
film, and then pick the best material that will actually make a credible
case. this is also political, because each point needs to have a reputable,
unsinkable scientist behind it that we can get on camera. many valid data
points have to be left behind due to these limitations.

in the end, if i do this right, i have taken something almost mindlessly
complex and turned it into something simple - a film that even an advanced
child could track fairly well and figure out what's going on. that's the
whole challenge.

if you read part three of "reincarnation of edgar cayce?", i believe you
will see an evolution in my writing style towards greater comprehensibility
than in the convergence series.

i do believe that "tickle" is primarily a business (duh) and that their
objective is to consistently give people a lower score than what they
actually would get. that way people are shocked, since they know it should
be higher than that, and they'll be inspired to pay the money to "learn how
to raise their iq," which is ridiculous. all their "training" will really do
is introduce "subject sophistication bias" into the testing procedure, by
teaching you little tricks like pattern recognition. i did have that
powerful synchronicity- the 1:35 on the clock- that strongly suggested to me
that no one is going to score higher than 135 on their test, ever.

their skewed results are probably due, in part, to the fact that a 100 is
supposed to be the average score and every 10 points above or below it is
one standard deviation away from that average. there may not even have been
enough people taking the test for there to be any relevance to four standard
deviations above the mean, (i.e. 140), because the subject pool is too
small. already by then you're dealing with a very small number - something
like four decimal places after 99%.

so i wouldn't at all be surprised if they recalibrated their 100 to be the
average of everyone who has actually taken the test online. and think about
it- only smarter people are even going to have the patience to click through
the whole burdensome test, all four screens of it. if they start thinking
it's difficult they probably just wouldn't complete it.

on the more sinister side i have seen some who accuse tickle of being a
front corporation for certain insider groups to try to find the most
intelligent people for possible recruitment. well, they can't have me if
that is the case.

the only reason why i posted this in the first place was that it seemed
quite strange that i would score 44 points lower on an iq test today, even
though i feel more well-balanced in the intellectual body than i was back in
1996. again, had i thought through more about how it might make others take
things personally i would never have even mentioned it. i did tell you all
that it was transient... remember that!

i personally have enjoyed billy bob's witty commentary and would feel it a
great travesty if it were to dry up on account of some ridiculous
stamford-binet results. the type of things they look for in those tests show
the distortions of the people who think this is what intelligence is. i
happen to have these qualities, but in my opinion this is not intelligence.
and you can't ascend with it either.

we're not here to try to be more "intelligent," we're here to discover and
fully activate the genius that is within each of us. this process occurs
when you balance your emotional body enough to make a reliable connection to
your higher self, which is the ultimate source of all genius. i have seen
people with very high iqs and no genius whatsoever.

peace be with you -

- david

mawk
08-08-2005, 04:22 PM
hi all,

my favourite definition of genius: "genius is knowing the answer before the
question."

i took the tickle test about a year ago and also got access to there other
tests. a score of 135 i think was 38 out of 40. the best score you could get
on their scales was 140 (40/40). i think an iq score of 135 puts you in the
top 1 or 2 percent. i know 115 is one standard deviation above the mean of
100. if any one is really interested i can work it out as it is just a
standardizes z-score.

i must say i was moderately pleased to be rated in the same league as the
visionary philosophers. though in my case i identified more with spinoza
than plato. the career advice was to be a psychologist!!

i am currently learning how to administering the wais-111 assessment. in
comparison i think i can say unequivocally that the tickle test is a very
basic assessment of iq. anyway aren't we interested in learning the lessons
of love (4th density) and i can't recall that being in the tickle test:-)

love and light,

mawk

ps so pleased they didn't assess spelling!

Chris
08-08-2005, 04:43 PM
--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=smgd83bnqnf6jwdbwogbsnars4omh4jiylifme d4uqpvzvh-2cjyiu6uocivoo2jjhshk5pvkg8y5x2fga), "mawk" <mawk109@o...> wrote:
> hi all,
i took the tickle test about a year ago and also got access to
there other tests. a score of 135 i think was 38 out of 40. the best
score you could get on their scales was 140 (40/40). > love and
light,
>
> mawk>
> ps so pleased they didn't assess spelling!

tehee, mawk, me too! really, you guys are all saying this tickle
test is probably a gimmick,wellllll, it probably is. if any of you
get a 130 on it and think it is 'off', why don't you guys go apply
with mensa? i think they will give free tests (think i took one
years ago, but i'm old and don't remember so well anymore:).i think
130 is the lowest score they accept, so if you want to feel dumber
than anybody else, that would be the place to go :). lol!!!

in all seriousness tho, there is nothing sexier than a man with a
hhiq. smile, my word for high heart intelligence quotient....hey
ladies? well, being smart can't hurt any either, but sensitivity is
the clincher:) chris

David Wilcock
08-08-2005, 05:05 PM
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>hi all,

>my favourite definition of genius: "genius is knowing the answer before the
question."

dw: you see, i already knew that... :)

/*removes tongue from cheek*/

>i took the tickle test about a year ago and also got access to there other
tests. a score of 135 i think was 38 out of 40. the best score you could get
on their scales was 140 (40/40).

dw: aha- very good. that explains why my hypothetical score took such a
steep nose-dive; in fact in terms of percentage correct, i actually did
about the same as the 55-question test i took in the 90s - just a slight bit
worse, as back then i had 53 out of 55. it's always those one or two really
ridiculous pictographic ones that get you. there were indeed two or three
questions that seemed really sketchy on the tickle test, and i had to make a
judgment call. there could have been more than one thing they were going
for. to say there's only one "right" answer in some of these is asinine, as
monica (lealdragon) was saying.

in particular i'm thinking of the one that had rounded-off large squares
with lines projecting off of them in different directions, and smaller
geometries attached to the lines. i think on that one, the most substantial
difference of all was size and the geometry of the inner object becoming a
circle - so that was the one i picked. it probably was one of the other
choices. they could have done something like make a pattern in the direction
the lines pointed, or something i didn't think of. then it's really just a
judgment call of what's supposed to be the most important pattern. on that
one i didn't actually take the time to investigate each answer and figure
out why they would put that one in. the carelessness factor (and probably
overconfidence *ahem*) thus caused me to miss a couple.

>i think i can say unequivocally that the tickle test is a very
basic assessment of iq. anyway aren't we interested in learning the lessons
of love (4th density) and i can't recall that being in the tickle test:-)

dw: hey, you never really know what's going to spark off a whole huge thread
in a forum like this. we get enough complaints about moderation as it is.
this is... um... er... uh... sort of on topic, i guess.

peace be with you -

- david

David Wilcock
08-08-2005, 05:13 PM
from: asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=mp-gr4ypqsowpcfi9efgq8z-3ewc8pzyjt30i3lqlymrc-3kaoj25e3ftoejrexs3vehd7uxgj2vqswnsg) [mailto:asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=mp-gr4ypqsowpcfi9efgq8z-3ewc8pzyjt30i3lqlymrc-3kaoj25e3ftoejrexs3vehd7uxgj2vqswnsg)] on behalf of
chris

>why don't you guys go apply with mensa?

dw: i did have someone from mensa want me to lecture on "shift of the ages"
at one of their meetings (that was the only volume back then) but it never
really came of it. to me joining mensa now would be like joining chess club
in high school... "you want me to do what with my free time after school?"

>i think 130 is the lowest score they accept, so if you want to feel dumber
than anybody else, that would be the place to go :). lol!!!

dw: how about "if you want to feel dumber than anyone else, crack the law of
one book four and study the archetypal relationships?" i didn't even bother
to try to tackle that mess in the study guide!

>in all seriousness tho, there is nothing sexier than a man with a
hhiq.


w: ok, let me guess... "habitual halitosis, intrinsically qlueless?"

peace be with you -

- d

Chris Hamilton
08-08-2005, 06:14 PM
from: "david wilcock" <djw333@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=yks41ejxdz_9xjrqbhiijstj7uu9fo3de2qd1a l8gvbtqmuuiyiyvsfcw8upsgztvbbsigwpllupax6ahtcs)>
> dw: how about "if you want to feel dumber than anyone else, crack the law
> of one book four and study the archetypal relationships?" i didn't even
> bother
> to try to tackle that mess in the study guide!

chris: good point, but you always understood tarot, and that was a start.
most people have not a clue there, me included. ya want to teach us while
you have some time off? just the basics, mind you. maybe those archetypical
pictures will well up like springs in your dreams :)

>>in all seriousness tho, there is nothing sexier than a man with an hhiq.

> w: ok, let me guess... "habitual halitosis, intrinsically qlueless?"

c: well, yeah, that too, but we still love all you guys anyway :) it gives
us an edge. lol
>

lealdragon
08-08-2005, 07:25 PM
that's it precisely: on these tests they are looking for 'the correct'
answer. with tangibles like math, there can be only 1 answer, but with
patterns, logic puzzles, analogies, etc. there are often more than 1
answer, especially for someone who thinks outside the box.

when i helped with scoring at work (for the testing company) i pointed
out some alternate answers and why i thought they were acceptable.
obviously, some of the kids agreed with me; i could tell from their
explanations that they were just seeing the problem from a different
angle, and i thought that this other angle was just as valid as the
angle the testers wanted.

guess what they told me? they said, 'well this is the answer they are
looking for'. period. if the kid didn't happen to view the situation
in exactly the same way, it was wrong.

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=9k6wp5_9ga0jip_8kke7pqymtl_cvbpck5wxy6 s5fw9k-ow24hf0z0gwf12hmduudlkfywewjxsxmvtb), "david wilcock" <djw333@i...> wrote:
> ...then it's really just a
> judgment call of what's supposed to be the most important pattern.

lealdragon
08-08-2005, 07:32 PM
thanks david; now i feel so much better! undoubtedly you (david)
have read them, but the fact that you found them difficult sure does
make me feel better.

i read books 1-3 completely through several times over, but over the
20 years since i first read the loo books, i have not yet gotten all
the way through book 4! i just kept trying, and would pick up the
book again, and end up not getting all the way thru, then a few
months later try again...

anyone else want to admit this? =)

recently i loaned the books to someone at work who was already into
channeled stuff and he went nuts over them. i loaned him one book at
a time and he's now on book 3. so, i decided, this time i will get
all the way thru book 4! i must, so that i can loan it to him.

we'll see....anyone want to discuss the archetypes?



--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=rhz-irvars9qhamd7rb5ai2zbebpg0fo_aixwxgp4hpphu8ikee7g_ ugqgb-3xddmrimyvbvyv12ljplvdht3g), "david wilcock" <djw333@i...> wrote:
> dw: how about "if you want to feel dumber than anyone else, crack
the law of
> one book four and study the archetypal relationships?" i didn't
even bother
> to try to tackle that mess in the study guide!
>

Ron Erickson
08-10-2005, 09:38 AM
seeing as there has recently been considerable interest in this subject, i
thought i would add a few thoughts..

when i was young (in my teens), i was very good at math. for example, i got a
99% final mark in grade 10 algebra. mind you, math at this level is rather
simple compared to, say, university level calculus. about 10 years ago (in my
30s), i wrote the mensa test and did quite well, but not good enough (that is,
top 2% of the population) to become a member. what occurred to me is that the
test was about solving relatively simple problems involving logic and pattern
recognition - and doing this very quickly. some of the problems require one to
take an original perspective, but this is, in my opinion, relatively "low-level
creative thinking". in other words, these might be impossible for a dumb
computer program to solve, but these could probably all be solved with smarter
"artificial intelligence" algorithms - and faster than any human. there is no
objective way (that i know of) to test for high-level creative thinking and
originality, but in my opinion, it is this which truly identifies genius.

there are lots of "quick thinking human bean counters" out there in the
workplace (especially in the software development field that i worked in for
over 20 years), but remarkably few individuals can function, or even have an
interest in looking "outside of the box" to create new worlds. today, the
computer field favors specialists in various (literally hundreds of) technical
areas, but although the specialists are getting jobs, they can get locked into
their narrow skill niche, and when their skill is no longer required (which
occurs increasingly quickly), then they are unemployed again and need new skills
training. i have recently had my own problems finding work in this field,
partly because my experience/skills are seen as a few years out-of-date. also,
my background doesn't fit the expected candidate profile because of my broad
range of experience and my degree in fine arts - instead of computer science.
in other words, i just don't match the narrow pattern in the eyes of personell
department workers who scan resumes.

in a narrow sense, i'm not as smart as i once was, but i can now create art and
compose music with few intervening distractions - or even thinking that much
about how i do it. for any artist, it is in the special moments when
inspiration directly connects with creation that "magic" happens. i personally
believe that the ability to have these experiences defines genius more than any
iq test ever could.

ron

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