A link to a link (& then some more)

[wubby gump]

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wrote:

http://www.celticnz.co.nz/octaone.html

"these people became known, in popular literature, as
the mound builders."

--- i thought this to be an interesting attachment to
the way more intense site that is listed above, but
since the subject of geometry has come up, i offer an
addendum to this link, although not as extensive
mathematically, it is relevant in its showing of a
geometric premise.

http://www.ancientamerican.com/article29p1.htm

for those wishing to see more of a "global society" in
ancient history, i highly recommend visiting graham
hancock's website & viewing the pictures he has
posted:

http://www.grahamhancock.com/gallery/default.htm

there you will see some of the amazing similarities
between the temples in cambodia & some of the temples
in mexico.....all with geometric similarities & all
with designs in accordance to the stars above.....a la
gaza.........there was no such thing as "global
trading" or cross-cultural references, right? (wink)
well, at least not in the history books i grew up
studying..........(sigh)


....as for the marvelous link to the numerical meaning
of jesus - thank you!!! this is incredible! this
gentleman has a link on his site to the guy who
basically did the "mathematical breakdown" on
scriptural passages & i swear, my eyes & mind are
still spinning! i am not a math scholar, and i am
attempting to duplicate the work myself, but i'll tell
you.....preliminary works show a fascinating
result.........i even e-mailed the "creator" of the
"bible wheel".......& i asked him about his
similarities between what he has done & that of the
mayans, although i have yet to hear anything.......do
any of you see a resemblance?

http://www.biblewheel.com/wheel/canonwheel_fullsize.asp

& this

http://www.ih.k12.oh.us/hsblase/taftweb/latinam/latinhom.htm

an interesting comparison, neverthless.

as for me being a "newbie".....well....i am......but i
am what you would call an "old soul"........i know
absolutely nothing of this realm.......& at the same
time i know "everything there is to know".....i just
can't write it down in any way that would make sense
to the "average person".......to make a short story
longer.......i know what i know.......but i don't know
anything.......& when i
read/hear/see/come-into-contact-with someone or
something that "explains" how/why/what something is
what it is or how it is or why it is.....well.....for
lack of a better way of putting it...i just know if it
is right or wrong. some may call that a "gut-feeling,"
whilst others would say something along the lines of
"intuition," but it is far, far beyond all of that. it
makes no sense to try to explain something that is
difficult to explain, but i know what i know....i have
a vague understanding of what i am doing
(metaphysically speaking, of course), however it is
difficult to describe why it is this way........

i just realized i was rambling & i apologize to the
group. i merely wish to state that i am researching
(in depth) the website of a certain someone who
started this site & i am doing it until my eyes cannot
focus anymore....most of what i see so far is
absolutely in the right direction....but i do not wish
to propose any more questions that are "redundant." i
still have yet to find anything explaining "the
confedration" that ra references in "the law of
one"....but i am not through reading
everything.......(anyone willing to step in & offer
some enlightenment, please do so now)....i am glad to
have a few days off as i am drinking exhorbitant
amounts of green tea....ginseng tea.....& burning lots
of incense (mostly frankincense(sp?), myrrh(sp?), &
sandalwood........and a few "nag champa" thrown in for
good measure)....so i am doing all that i can to
remain "focused" & "balanced" whilst i digest these
incredible bodies of work............

....i still subscribe to the dualities of
man..........albeit out of habit due to my theological
upbringing, but it is very difficult to comprehend a
divine presence, or "grand creator" without something
of an opposite to go alongside. with all of this math
i am doing.....with the subjects of symmetry.....with
all of these wonderful things in motion....with this
"grand design"........it is still difficult to believe
that there are no opposite forces at work. i do not
subscribe to the "duality elements" only existing in
the "3d"...........

.......if it only existed here, then the "4d" we are
coming to would be the end. there would be no 5th,
6th, and so on.......without a struggle. if i
"graduate" to a 4th....what else is there without a
"struggle?" if there is a "5d" and a "6d" & so on,
then how do you achieve this without some sort of
struggle? some sort of counter-imposing force that
makes the ascension difficult. i simply say this
because i laugh when i read my journals from middle
school & high school (& even some college!) & i
remember sitting there writing all of that, but in
retrospect, i knew absolutely nothing at the time. how
many of us say "i wish i could go back to when i was
seventeen, but know what i know now?" or something
along those lines.....obviously, we are in "3d" to
learn all that we can & to "graduate" (for lack of a
better term).......but you & i & everyone we know
doesn't get there without a struggle..........so the
"4d" & "5d" & so on are supposed to be different?
life, in this dimension is not an "up"
escalator.....it's composed of steps that require
effort to climb. that means that there is difficulty.
that means there is an opposite force. that means i
have to go through something, in order to get to where
i need to go. hence, an opposing force. i find it hard
to believe that any other dimension would be any
different. (sigh) i'm not sure i am ready to buy into
all of that "it's only in 3d" stuff.......there is
more to it than that........

....look....i'm rambling again....and i think i'm
starting to sound negative, & i do not wish to come
off that way. i will continue to read & to ponder & to
"do my math" (remember what wesley clark said!) but in
the mean time.......since we are all on the subject of
geometry currently......i thought i'd throw in a
couple of links......i just want to help....not
hinder......but to quote one of favorite
individuals......

"the unexamined life is not worth living." ~ socrates

i wish you all well in your lives & daily travels.....

~ thomas



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[Steve & Jennifer]

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=wcx7ue_imty3y8n2y0kubed1vaqa27po2jtxwf rcqzc2rdwlhukr-lujsomeri7ovdh8rozmghrqbelmmw), wubby gump <wubbygump@y...> wrote:

"...i do not subscribe to the 'duality elements' only existing in
the '3d'... if it only existed here, then the '4d' we are coming to
would be the end. there would be no 5th, 6th, and so on... without a
struggle. if i 'graduate' to a 4th... what else is there without a
'struggle?' if there is a '5d' and a '6d' & so on, then how do you
achieve this without some sort of struggle?

"... obviously, we are in '3d' to learn all that we can &
to 'graduate' (for lack of a better term).......but you & i &
everyone we know doesn't get there without a struggle..........so the
'4d' & '5d' & so on are supposed to be different?"

and why not?

if the concept of "struggle", of "difficulty" is a prevailing factor
throughout all of creation then what would be the point of ever
coming to 3d in the first place? ("hey, you wanna incarnate into 3d
with us in order to experience growth through the idea of
'struggle'? nah, i have plenty of difficulty right here. but thanks
for asking!")

in other words, we could learn whatever it is we need to learn
pretty much "anywhere". so what, you may ask, would be the impetus
for ascending into ever higher realms? desire, plain and simple. one
person sees a mountain and thinks, "i want to climb that mountain
for the challenge or simply 'because it's there'." another sees the
same mountain and thinks, "i want to go to the top of that mountain
just to take in the view." so, he charters a helicopter. both of
them arrive at the top and both of them are able to take in the
magnificent view afforded by it. they've simply arrived through
different means. while one appreciates the climb, the other
appreciates the ride. there may or may not be any profound learning
involved with eithr of their decisions/actions, but one thing they
definitely have in common is the desire to stand atop that mountain!

i see "struggle" and "difficulty" as being self-imposed, a choice.
maybe it's a direct result of the temporary amnesia we all agree to
before incarnating into this physicality. i see it as being nothing
more than the opposing value of "ease" in this realm of opposing
values. i believe we come here, in part, for the challenge, for the
extreme "contrast" and to experience the excitement that this realm
offers. perhaps the only real difficulty we all share in common is
the underlying "struggle" to remember our true nature and why we're
here at all. i also believe that growth does not necessarily require
struggle. it does, however, require effort, which is simply the
outward manifestation of desire. i see all of creation as being the
outward manifestation, the expression of primary consciousness'
desire to fully know itself.

of course, if we want to get really esoteric about it, we could view
the whole concept of struggle and difficulty as being nothing more
than a judgment rendered from a very limited view of all that is!

...and how do i know all of this? beats me. in my heart i just know
it to be true... for me!

~ steve

[sirius_mre]

thomas:
> ....i still subscribe to the dualities of
> man..........albeit out of habit due to my theological
> upbringing, but it is very difficult to comprehend a
> divine presence, or "grand creator" without something
> of an opposite to go alongside. with all of this math
> i am doing.....with the subjects of symmetry.....with
> all of these wonderful things in motion....with this
> "grand design"........it is still difficult to believe
> that there are no opposite forces at work. i do not
> subscribe to the "duality elements" only existing in
> the "3d"...........

damon:
indeed, old habits are hard to break. our universe certaily does
appear to exist in a sea of dualities and contradictions. and truly
it is difficult for us to imagine a place where there is no duality--
thus our longing for knowledge of god, where there is only unity! you
still seem to be caught up in the thought that "good" and "evil"
exist as entities outside of you, though. they do not. the
only "opposing" forces are the ones which we ourselves create. there
is only good in the universe; what appears to be "evil" to us is but
a misuse of our power to create our world. the universe is directed
by and reflexively acts upon our thoughts to create the images of
those thoughts, whether they be "good" or "evil." with greater
understanding beyond this dimension, we can begin to see and create
the unity of all; that there is no duality. this is the real
struggle: to maintain the thought atmosphere of unity. don't forget,
the primordial duality of our logos had nothing to do with "good"
and "evil," nor even with light and dark; but, it had to do with the
initial "separation" of the universe from itself, of you from me.
indeed, this is just a device that the logos uses to gain as many
different experiences as possible. as we proceed ever closer towards
at-onement, we start to see through this veil of duality to the truth
of unity.

thomas:
.......if it only existed here, then the "4d" we are
> coming to would be the end. there would be no 5th,
> 6th, and so on.......without a struggle. if i
> "graduate" to a 4th....what else is there without a
> "struggle?" if there is a "5d" and a "6d" & so on,
> then how do you achieve this without some sort of
> struggle? some sort of counter-imposing force that
> makes the ascension difficult. i simply say this
> because i laugh when i read my journals from middle
> school & high school (& even some college!) & i
> remember sitting there writing all of that, but in
> retrospect, i knew absolutely nothing at the time. how
> many of us say "i wish i could go back to when i was
> seventeen, but know what i know now?" or something
> along those lines.....obviously, we are in "3d" to
> learn all that we can & to "graduate" (for lack of a
> better term).......but you & i & everyone we know
> doesn't get there without a struggle..........so the
> "4d" & "5d" & so on are supposed to be different?
> life, in this dimension is not an "up"
> escalator.....it's composed of steps that require
> effort to climb. that means that there is difficulty.
> that means there is an opposite force. that means i
> have to go through something, in order to get to where
> i need to go. hence, an opposing force. i find it hard
> to believe that any other dimension would be any
> different. (sigh) i'm not sure i am ready to buy into
> all of that "it's only in 3d" stuff.......there is
> more to it than that........
damon:
what do you mean by "the '4d' we are coming to would be the end"? the
end of what? 3d? well, certainly. but, simultaneously, the beginning
of something completely new. think about it: did you have any clue as
to what your teens held in store for you when you were nine years
old? and even if you did, you were undoubtedly surprised by what
ended up actually happening. my point is that it is sometimes hard to
look beyond where we are to a place where most of us have never been
(consciously!) that "opposite force" that you write about is
yourself. your soul knows the lessons that you need to learn in each
of your incarnations, and it puts you in the situations conducive to
learning them. from our limited perspective, these situations can
seem like challenges, or opposition, or even eil. in fact they are
catalysts for change; gentle reminders from your higher self to your
lower, conscious self that there is an opportunity for growth, an
opportunity to see things differently.

so, i would suggest trying to disabuse yourself of the notion
that "good" and "evil" exist apart from each other and you--from all
of us, really! there is no old white man with a white beard and robe
doing eternal battle with a fiery, horned and cloven-hooved nemesis.
our thoughts create our world. that is the importance of thinking
love and light. when we finally ralize our true power and begin to
use it more wisely, harmony will reign. until that day, we will
continue to perceive dualities all around us.

namaste,
damon