The 2004 Election Thread

[bjorn_nitmou]

i really believe that this will be one of the last times that
politics will be discussed on this list for long long time.

i guess this is what i needed to "let go." i have a feeling some of
you may be feeling the same way. im ready to "unplug" from
politically motivated emotions, im ready to stop following the news
as well.

im almost stunned into to silence, even though bush winning wasn't a
surprise. this morning, i cant even muster up the interest to read
any sports news, entertainment news, economic news, ive had about
enough. im done with the roller coster ride, its time to further my
concentration on the search "within" with a renewed diligence.

bjorn

[Tarzan]

im almost stunned into to silence, even though bush
winning wasn't a
surprise.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
bjorn, et al.,

i totally understand how you feel. i, too, am very much
upset about the turn of events, but i'm livid about it and
not shutting up about it. i'm going to the local democrat
headquarters to speak up, even though i'm not a democrat,
nor am i a "us citizen" anymore, since i have expatriated
out of that f-ked corporate system; i still live on american
soil. don't mix up the corporation of the usa, inc with the
old american republic that arose out of american soil. they
are not the same!

anyway the idea of having that f-king bush for four more
years makes me puke. no way! i'm not going to "let go" and
allow this to happen. i don't wish for an acceleration of
wars and negative energies, although it may happen that way
in order to jiggle people out of their habituated daily
habit patterns of denial/illusion.

i'm pissed, really f-king pissed that yet another election
had been stolen. the latest reports indicate that in every
state that had those damn dre (direct recording electronics)
voting computers, the first fart had an "inexplicable" lead
of 5%, where the exit polls showed kerry winning quite
decisively--this happened in every single state that had
those dre-thingys. as i was watching the tv (pbs), i
watched those pundits saying "we were wrong" with the exit
polling and tried to explain away the "tendency" of exit
polls to "err". like hell. i had already done the research
on exit polls and they (the honest ones, that is) have had a
history of very high levels of accuracy within a 1% or 2%
error margins--there's not one honest exit poll that i'm
aware of that had been shown to be off by more than 2%, yet
in the states that had those damn dre-thingys, the "results"
showed first fart to be ahead by a consistent 5%...even in
florida. huh? an incumbent prez winning with all the
faults that first fart has, on top of the country-wide and
world-wide destruction that he (really his string--pullers
are the ones making the decisions--first fart is just a
dumb-a$$ed figurehead) has caused? no f-king way!

so are any of you going to roll over, play dead and
"allow" this to happen or are you going to raise hell about
it and hit the streets? i'm choosing to raise hell about
this.

~seth


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[Lesley Schultz]

dear seth and bjorn, l/l & most of all, peace, to all:

--- tarzan <tarzan@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=h-xyj_l_jgidvpzbqdxbujadal5rhcw16iudpiosgrluhzi3unsq kqswfldpfjfh6tmvj0ppx_zb)> wrote:

> im almost stunned into to silence, even though
> bush
> winning wasn't a
> surprise.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> bjorn, et al.,
>
> snip>>so are any of you going to roll over, play
dead and "allow" this to happen or are you going to
raise hell about it and hit the streets? i'm choosing
to raise hell about this.
>
> ~seth
>
dear gents: repeat after me:

buddhist response:

om mani padme hum.....om mani padme hum....om mani
padme hum....

from the tibetan book of the dead:

o god, boundless light of this reality, o loving and
fierce celestial beings, angels and guides, o great
spiritual teachers and saints i acknowledge the
oneness of the infinite potential.

recognition by the infinite, immortal spirit of the
perfect clear light of the infinite potential in the
post physical death spiritual reality

hey, immortal one, you who was called _____! the time
has come for you to find your path in the reality of
the spirit. your physical breath has stopped; the
perfect clear light of the infinite potential of the
first phase of your transition into the spiritual
reality has begun to manifest. your physical breath
has stopped and you begin to experience the spirit
reality; barren and void like space. your immortal,
infinite spiritual awareness begins to awaken, clear
and empty; perceiving no horizon or center. you must
immediately recognize this void as yourself. you must
stay centered within this experience.

now the vision that begins to manifest in the void is
the image of mud which represents the earth merging
into water. the image of smoke which represents water
merging into fire. the image of sparks which
represents fire merging into the wind. the image of a
candle flame which represents the wind merging into
consciousness. the image of a moonlit sky which
represents consciousness merging into luminance. the
image of the sunlit sky which represents luminance
merging into radiance. the image of the night sky
which represents radiance merging into imminence. the
image of the predawn twilight sky which represents
imminence merging into the perfect clear light.

hey, immortal one, you who was called ______! now that
you have passed through the doorway of "physical
death" and transitioned into the spiritual reality,
you must now reorient yourself. repeat to yourself the
following words.

"wake up! i have transitioned from physical life
through bodily death to the point of spiritual
awakening. from this point on, i will awaken my spirit
and my consciousness by contemplating the infinite
potential of the spirit. i must meditate on peace and
harmony and love and compassion. for the sake of all
beings in all realities, i must remain centered in the
oneness of the infinite potential. now for the sake of
all beings, i will acknowledge the perfect clear light
as the representation of the infinite potential.
within this experience of infinite oneness, i will
attain the supreme peace and harmony of the infinite
potential and i will accomplish the purpose of all
beings. if i do not attain the supreme peace and
harmony, then, at the least, while i reside in the
spiritual reality, i will recognize that i am residing
within the spiritual reality.

i will moment to moment recognize and acknowledge the
spiritual reality as a manifestation of the infinite
potential and i will moment to moment stay centered on
my path of life in the spiritual reality and thereby
accomplish my purposes in this reality by manifesting
whatever i need in order to remain centered in the
infinite potential.

hey immortal one, you who was called _____! listen to
me! right now the perfect clear light of infinite
potential manifests for you. recognize it! acknowledge
it! incorporate it into your experience!

hey, immortal one, you who was called _____! this,
your present conscious natural clear void awareness,
this presence in clear voidness without any
objectivity of substance, sign, or color - just this
is the reality, the mother, buddha all-around
goodness! and this, your conscious awareness natural
voidness, not succumbing to a false annihilative
voidness, just your own conscious awareness,
unceasing, bright, distinct, and vibrant - just this
awareness is the father, buddha all-around goodness!
just this presence of the indivisibility of your
awareness' naturally insubstantial voidness and the
vibrant bright presence of your conscious awareness-
just this is the buddha body of truth. your awareness
thus abides in this vast mass of light of clarity-void
oneness. you are free of birth or death - just this is
the buddha changeless light. it is enough just to
recognize this. recognizing this you own conscious
awareness' purity nature as the buddha, yourself
beholding you own awareness -that is to dwell in the
inner realization of all buddhas.

hey, immortal one, you who was called ____! meditate
on the infinite potential! do not be distracted! focus
your entire being on the infinite oneness! meditate on
manifesting the spiritual reality! do not meditate on
it manifesting the material reality!

center yourself within the infinite oneness!

jewish response:

{mourner's kaddish]

may his great name grow exalted and sanctified
in the world that he created as he willed
may he give reign to his kingship in your lifetimes
and in your days, and in the lifetimes of the entire
family of israel,swiftly and soon. now respond: amen.
may his great name be blessed forever and ever.
blessed, praised, glorified, exalted, extolled,
mighty, upraised, and lauded be the name of the holy
one, blessed is he beyond any blessing and song,praise
and consolation that are uttered in the world. now
respond: amen. may there be abundant peace from
heaven, and life upon us and upon all israel. now
respond: amen. he who makes peace in his heights, may
he make peace,upon us and upon all israel. now
respond: amen

christian response:

catholic mass for the dead:

latin: 4 esdras 2:34-35. requiem aeternam dona eis,
domine: et lux perpetua luceat eis. psalm 64:2-3. te
decet hymnus, deus, in sion, et tibi reddetur votum in
jerusalem: exaudi orationem meam, ad te omnis caro
veniet. 4 esdras 2:34-35. requiem aeternam dona eis,
domine: et lux perpetua luceat eis.

english c: 4 esdras 2:34-35. e ternal rest grant unto
them, o lord: and let perpetual light shine upon them.
psalm 64:2-3. a hymn, o god, becometh thee in sion,
and a vow shall be paid to thee in jerusalem: o lord,
hear my prayer; all flesh shall come unto thee. 4
esdras 2:34-35. eternal rest grant unto them, o lord:
and let perpetual light shine upon them.

islamic response:

adan {call to prayer}:

1 allah u akbar, allah u akbar
-- allah is great, allah is great

2-ash-hadu al-la ilaha ill allah - ash-hadu al-la
ilaha ill allah
-- i bear witness that there is no divinty but allah

3 ash-hadu anna muhammadan rasulullaah
-- i bear witness that muhammad is allah's messenger

ash-hadu anna muhammadan rasulullaah.
-- i bear witness that muhammad is allah's messenger

4 hayya la-s-saleah - hayya la-s-saleah
-- hasten to the prayer, hasten to the prayer

5 hayya la-l-faleah - hayya la-l-faleah
-- hasten to real success, hasten to real success,

6 allahu akbar, allahu akbar
-- allah is great, allah is great

7 la ilaha ill allah
-- there is no divinity but allah

prayer for peace:

on no soul doth allah place a burden
greater than it can bear.
it gets every good that it earns,
and it suffers every ill that it earns.

(pray;) " our lord!
condemn us not if we forget or fall
into error; our lord!
lay not on us a burden
like that which thou didst lay on those before us;
our lord! lay not on us a burden greater than we have
strength to bear.

blot out our sins,
and grant us forgiveness.
have mercy on us
thou art our protector
help us against those
who stand against faith.

navajo affirmation prayer:

o you who dwell in the house made of the dawn,
in the house made of the evening twilight . . .
where the dark mist curtains the doorway,
the path to which is on the rainbow . . .
i have made your sacrifice.
i have prepared a smoke for you.

my feet restore for me.
my limbs restore for me.
my body restore for me.
my mind restore for me.
my voice restore for me.

today, take away your spell from me.
away from me you have taken it.
far off from me you have taken it.

happily i recover.
happily my interior becomes cool.
happily my eyes regain their power.
happily my head becomes cool.
happily my limbs regain their power.
happily i hear again.
happily for me the spell is taken off.

happily i walk.
impervious to pain, i walk.
feeling light within, i walk . . .
in beauty i walk.
with beauty before me, i walk.
with beauty behind me, i walk.
with beauty below me, i walk.
with beauty all around me, i walk.

it is finished in beauty.
it is finished in beauty.
it is finished in beauty

hindu response:

may your counsel be common,
may you belong to one fraternity,
may your minds move, with one accord.
may your hearts work in harmony for one goal.
may you be inspired , by common ideal.
may you offer worship, with common oblation.

from rig veda . 10 ?191 - 3

may you resolve, with one accord.
may your hearts be in unison.
may your thoughts be harmonious,
so that you live together with happiness and hilarity.

from rig. veda. 10 ?191 -4

all is one.

good journey,
~lesley




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[H T]

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> dear seth and bjorn, l/l & most of all, peace, to all:
>
> --- tarzan <tarzan@n...> wrote:
>
> > im almost stunned into to silence, even though
> > bush
> > winning wasn't a
> > surprise.
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > bjorn, et al.,
> >
> > snip>>so are any of you going to roll over, play
> dead and "allow" this to happen or are you going to
> raise hell about it and hit the streets? i'm choosing
> to raise hell about this.
> >
> > ~seth
> >
> dear gents: repeat after me:
>
> buddhist response:
>
> om mani padme hum.....om mani padme hum....om mani
> padme hum....
>
etc....

> all is one.
>
> good journey,
> ~lesley
>

ht: wow, thanks lesley for all those prayers. what a comedy of
errors we humans bring to this 3rd density. i suppose it's not
surprising that the majority of people who voted, resonated to the
politics of fear. do we in the light of lo0, practice "civil
disobedience" when the heavy hand of the conservatives begin to lay
down the "law"? any suggestions?

just my opinion, we here in the "republic of san francisco" really
feel as if we do not belong to the us.

peace to all,
helen

[Dave M.]

hi all,

i refused to allow myself to get caught up in all of the hoopla surrounding this
election. contrary to
all the rabble rousing to get out the vote and this being the most important
election and the rest of
the bs. i saw this as one of the least significant elections in the history of
this country.

the way i saw it, the 2 candidates had much more in common than they had
differences. it was much like
2 loo diehards discussing their differences about a particular aspect of loo,
and in seeing their
differences, thinking that there are irreconcilable differences. but if you
compare their beliefs to
that of the general population you see that there really isn't much difference
between the two of them.

so if this really was a close race (excluding for now the bs polls and tv
propaganda that made it
close), it was because there wasn't enough difference between the candidates for
people to sink their
teeth into. if the pickle miester had won, he would have kept the sinking ship
going in the wrong
direction without making repairs, but he probably would have cut back on the
throttle a bit and slowed
it down. this would have given the illusion of progress without the 'progress',
and allowed people to
slip back into complacency and unwarranted faith in gvmt institutions and
politicians.

now, at least, there will be no such retreat and the overwhelming corruption
will be obvious for all who
are so disposed to see. "no rest for the weary" means that the catalysts for
change will remain in the
forefront of peoples minds. this in the end may result in more complete and
lasting progress being made
towards accepting loo principles by more people, and perhaps a greater yield
come harvest time.

l&l,

dave

[Michael Papa]

chill..this was a win win situation...if kerry won we would have had a
change and when the you know what hits the fan in the next 6to 12 months or
so. now that the gang is back in they will have no where to hide...they
won't be able to blame monica lewinski and clinton for the next four years
like they did the last four. this will be the undoing of the republican
party. the dumbocrats didn't offer us anything other than a change to the
same. if they wanted to really offer us a option they would have chosen
someone like dean. but that would be good for america and the ruling class
really doesn't want that even if it means losing the election..go skull and
bones...everything is going to plan...what would kerry reallly be able to do
except bobble head how screwed up the republicans had made everything. this
is good...enjoy it now ask your christian right moralist fundamentalist
friends if they are going to stop blaming clinton for the next four years
and take responsibility for what happens to the country..you will be
surprised (or not) on what answers you will hear.

mike

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>subject: re: [asc2k] the 2004 election thread
>date: wed, 3 nov 2004 08:53:01 -0800
>
> im almost stunned into to silence, even though bush
>winning wasn't a
> surprise.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> bjorn, et al.,
>
> i totally understand how you feel. i, too, am very much
>upset about the turn of events, but i'm livid about it and
>not shutting up about it. i'm going to the local democrat
>headquarters to speak up, even though i'm not a democrat,
>nor am i a "us citizen" anymore, since i have expatriated
>out of that f-ked corporate system; i still live on american
>soil. don't mix up the corporation of the usa, inc with the
>old american republic that arose out of american soil. they
>are not the same!
>
> anyway the idea of having that f-king bush for four more
>years makes me puke. no way! i'm not going to "let go" and
>allow this to happen. i don't wish for an acceleration of
>wars and negative energies, although it may happen that way
>in order to jiggle people out of their habituated daily
>habit patterns of denial/illusion.
>
> i'm pissed, really f-king pissed that yet another election
>had been stolen. the latest reports indicate that in every
>state that had those damn dre (direct recording electronics)
>voting computers, the first fart had an "inexplicable" lead
>of 5%, where the exit polls showed kerry winning quite
>decisively--this happened in every single state that had
>those dre-thingys. as i was watching the tv (pbs), i
>watched those pundits saying "we were wrong" with the exit
>polling and tried to explain away the "tendency" of exit
>polls to "err". like hell. i had already done the research
>on exit polls and they (the honest ones, that is) have had a
>history of very high levels of accuracy within a 1% or 2%
>error margins--there's not one honest exit poll that i'm
>aware of that had been shown to be off by more than 2%, yet
>in the states that had those damn dre-thingys, the "results"
>showed first fart to be ahead by a consistent 5%...even in
>florida. huh? an incumbent prez winning with all the
>faults that first fart has, on top of the country-wide and
>world-wide destruction that he (really his string--pullers
>are the ones making the decisions--first fart is just a
>dumb-a$$ed figurehead) has caused? no f-king way!
>
> so are any of you going to roll over, play dead and
>"allow" this to happen or are you going to raise hell about
>it and hit the streets? i'm choosing to raise hell about
>this.
>
> ~seth
>
>
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[grantcleveland]

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wrote:
>
> i really believe that this will be one of the last times that
> politics will be discussed on this list for long long time.
>

i think it will be difficult to avoid that. politicians are about
the largest minipulative tool and catalyst the negative side has.

just think - the next president "dr. evil" oh i mean - dick
cheney!!! (how will they/we clear the way for that?!!)

i'm glad we are all "bright" enough to just sit back and enjoy the
ride.

peace g

[Jeremy Weiland]

--- michael papa <mikepapa33@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=vj7e8nr9kb7xgktbsm6p7xwdzgfmy4afyfs9gb wvjpdrkgqmsaardiiujuhww-f46eqmubdwvogsup4j)> wrote:
> the dumbocrats didn't offer us anything other than a

> change to the same. if they wanted to really offer
> us a option they would have chosen someone like
> dean.

amen. well, it's housecleaning time in the democratic
party.

> this is good...enjoy it now ask your christian right
> moralist fundamentalist friends if they are going to

> stop blaming clinton for the next four years and
> take responsibility for what happens to the
> country.

oh c'mon... the entire impetus behind the bush
administration is to deny that anything bad is
happening. their modus operandi is to deny any facts
that they want. this is an administration that
believes it "makes their own reality" when they act.

you can read more of my frustration on my blog:

http://6thdensity.net/blog

jeremy



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[Lorna]

> all is one.
>
> good journey,
> ~lesley

dear lesley
thank you for your post! i am going to print these quotes off and
keep them to remind me of the truth and beauty you find beneath the
surface differences of the various belief systems of our world.
what a privilege it is to be living in such catalytic times!

wishing you peace and joy in your heart.
lorna

[Chris Hamilton]

gentlemen and ladies,

i would like to remind everyone that this is not a forum for discussing our
pleasure or displeasure at the election outcome. i am asking that our
unmoderated members please honor this too. thank you, chris, co-moderator

[bjorn_nitmou]

just let us finsish this thread, and we'll wont bother you again for
4 years. we are all one, love light - are you happy now?? what
would ra do? is this list supposed to opperate in a vacuum? i hope
this thread gets 100 posts.




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wrote:
> gentlemen and ladies,
>
> i would like to remind everyone that this is not a forum for
discussing our
> pleasure or displeasure at the election outcome. i am asking that
our
> unmoderated members please honor this too. thank you, chris, co-
moderator

[Olga]

>so are any of you going to roll over, play dead and
>"allow" this to happen or are you going to raise hell about
>it and hit the streets? i'm choosing to raise hell about
>this.
>
> ~seth

hi seth

i too am stunned !! however i am handicapped and cannot "hit the streets" -
i don't even drive anymore. how can i help this injustice to be righted ?

i hear you on e-voting ... i did not know that each state that had these
new machines were 5 % ahead for the shrub out of the gate ... i guess if
you saw this, the officials in the democratic party did also. will they do
anything about it ?? or are they too cowed of rove and the rest of the cabal ?

there was an interesting article on rense a couple of days ago ...
at: http://www.rense.com/general59/stupid.htm

preliminary results:

iq above 140: kerry 80%, bush 20%.

120-140: kerry 65%, bush 35%.

100-120: kerry 54%, bush 46%.

80-100: bush 54%, kerry 46%.

60-80: bush 60%, kerry 15%, dale earnhardt jr. 25%.

blessings - and god save us all - we need to focus on a miracle !!

olga



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[Matthew Woolley]

i had to respond to this. i am stunned that you would take this as a serious
"study". at best it is a joke, at worst (and i think you believe this) they want
you to believe it is a real "study". i mean the site is an anti-bush site for
pete's sake! i am absolutely stunned by the ease at which so many in this email
list buy into so much crap that is put out there.

and all this "fear mongering"??? the party most notably spewing fear the last
few months has been the dems! fear of bush, fear that he will ruin social
security and all the other democrat electioneering standbys.

and as for iqs, don't you find it interesting that bush does indeed have a
higher iq than kerry anyway? something to think about. enough for me on this.
you people really need to check your sources before you start buying all the
crap that is sold on the internet...



there was an interesting article on rense a couple of days ago ...
at: http://www.rense.com/general59/stupid.htm

preliminary results:

iq above 140: kerry 80%, bush 20%.

120-140: kerry 65%, bush 35%.

100-120: kerry 54%, bush 46%.

80-100: bush 54%, kerry 46%.

60-80: bush 60%, kerry 15%, dale earnhardt jr. 25%.

blessings - and god save us all - we need to focus on a miracle !!

olga


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[lealdragon]

does anyone have any suggestions for dealing with the rampant fear? i
think there has obviously been the feeding of fear on both sides,
although i would disagree with the post below that it was worse from
the dems. i see the entire religious right (who put bush in office) as
being based in fear (fear of going to hell at the root of it).

but, so as not to get more deeply into politics i will end my comments
there and get back to my question as relating to the loo: what has
given me the most peace during this difficult election time has been
the words recently channeled by dw from ra: 'see that you be not
troubled.'

these words have helped me tremendously, and yet i still struggle with
fear: fears of more wars, fears of a draft, etc.

please do not respond with quotes from bush that there will be no
draft; his words mean nothing to me. i am well aware that it is my
fear that could contribute to the manifestation of the very thing i
fear, and that is why i am asking for help.

i desire to transcend this fear. i want so much to focus on peace and
harmony in my own life and in the entire planet. i know to pray and
meditate, and i am trying to make more time for those things, even tho
it is difficult during these tumultuous times, on top of life's normal
hectic schedule.

my husband and i have decided to quit watching the news completely,
now that the election is over, and spend that time doing yoga and
meditation. i am thrilled that he has agreed to join me in this!

yet, this draft thing is still nagging me (we have a teenage son). i
just can't seem to let go of that fear. my husband is not as
concerned, since he thinks that if worst came to worst, our son could
just 'join the airforce'. but, our son is an extremely independent and
free thinker, with high ethics, and i know that he could never program
a computer to drop a bomb. he is just not military material!

i know i need to let go of this fear and trust, but i am having a hard
time with it.

any suggestions, reassurances, quotes from loo or recent channelings,
etc. would be very much appreciated!

thanks and blessings

monica


> and all this "fear mongering"??? the party most notably spewing fear
the last few months has been the dems! fear of bush, fear that he will
ruin social security and all the other democrat electioneering standbys.
age have been removed]

[bjorn_nitmou]

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=lfpujuwnod5ba_r4vm8crwtctyn3buaabu01tk rgxhjzkt0ga_pueqrhu2wnjfbdtutbeqeufbjuhac8_pjogg), matthew woolley <ringwraith14@y...>
wrote:
> i had to respond to this. >
> and all this "fear mongering"??? the party most notably spewing
fear the last few months has been the dems! fear of bush, fear that
he will ruin social security and all the other democrat
electioneering standbys.
__________________________
i just want to appologize to the moderator chris for my earlier
message. i do understand why politics is not on-topic. chris, you
do a good job, and i am sorry for making your job harder than it has
to be.

matthew's message made me realize why it is a waste of time to
discuss politics on this list, i had just assumed that anybody who
supported bush had already unsubscribed, as i know most of his
supporters already have long ago. quite frankly im sure less than 1
percent of everyone in the new age spiritual community supports bush,
so its not even worth discussing. im afraid you are alone on this
one matthew, so just let it go - rush limbaugh is calling your name,
you must go now.

[Jeremy Weiland]

--- bjorn_nitmou <bjorn_nitmou@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=9ojvsk6tysjhwwjyeg4x0shsljg8abankiaa8z doi58ag8b4fp5h20xkkldjfzxtp2b2ny59ne5f2jwbrlcrhra)> wrote:
> i just want to appologize to the moderator chris for
> my earlier message. i do understand why politics is

> not on-topic. chris, you do a good job, and i am
> sorry for making your job harder than it has to be.

i agree. but let's be honest: for a whole lot of us,
yesterday was an emotional day. if there was one day
where i didn't mind seeing people express, it was
yesterday. (and be warned, that day has passed) :-)

chris is reasonable. she understands. :-)

jeremy



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[Steve Veeneman]

do these thoughts help any? something i wrote earlier today:
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
today i feel a lot better, and part of it is a dream. dreams can do
lots of things, and one of the best is when they beckon us to see
things from another point of view, almost always a healing point of
view.

last night on the phone with a fellow kerry voter, i had mentioned
that this was like losing a tooth, as if i was still poking my tongue
where the tooth had been as i learned to accept the fairly obvious
truth.

well, this morning i dreamed that one of my teeth, a molar with a lot
of fillings, became loose in my mouth. i happily bit down harder and
wiggled my jaw and it broke free.

i took the tooth out and looked at it. the fillings were all around
the outside, but the core was good and strong. it had disconnected
from the roots by a thin brown layer that looked like fecal matter.
in the dream i did poke my tongue there and noted that everything felt
fine, but that i'd have to beware of food getting lost in that space.

no anxiety, just simple happiness that my body was doing a sensible thing.

so, with that perspective i ask myself, what did i lose when kerry conceded?

my heart says that i lost hope. not all hope, just a little hope. i
know it; i am a dreamer in many ways, and i had hoped that america as
a nation had woken up from the brainwashing of fox news and rush
limbaugh. that hope was clearly premature.

so i lost a little hope, but what did i gain? i gained two things.

first i gained data. media hype aside, there is nothing like polling
data. as a conspiracy buff i am delighted to see that zogby was so
wrong on florida and ohio, the two states most notorious for
electorial funny business. i expect we'll see some legal fun over
that.

secondly i gained a new opportunity to serve. four more years of a
deceptively murderous regime might be enough for a few bush supporters
to wake up and smell their own blood. when that happens they will
need help. my telling them 'i told you so' won't be the kind of help
they need. the opportunity to be of service is one of my prime
motivators, and counseling the grief stricken is one of the saddest
and most holy opportunities a person can ever have.

the grieving can heal, as i just did with a simple dream. the
challenge of this sort of service, though, is that only the utter
honesty of an open heart is useful. words are little use, though use
them we must.

if you voted for bush, all i can say is congratulations for now. i am
happy for you, as i know what it is like to be blind. i'll be ready
when and if you change your mind though, as i also know what it is
like to find i've been lied to.

if you voted for kerry, well, i have no words for you. i offer you my heart.

[Matthew Woolley]

lol!! see! now, come on people, you have got to see the humerous irony in this
stuff! i mean this is the site of light and love, regardless of political views,
social status, race, religion, etc., right? how in the world can you (if you do,
i am not accusing everyone on this list) preach light, love, etc. out of your
mouth, and show "conservative" americans the door? practice what you preach.
please! why can't a christian also believe in much of the new age religiosity?
trust me, there are overlaps. my initial response to a political post a month or
so ago was based on this same inconsistency or hypocrisy that i felt was showing
up on this site.

it is pretty sad that a site that is supposed to be devoted to light, love, the
loo and david wilcock.have got to feel pretty sad that you turn away what i
believe is the silent majority in this country. way to spread the the light and
love.

matt

bjorn_nitmou <bjorn_nitmou@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=1tblpyhly7z1hkbib4ewcd3v6ui6dyxnkzlpbn zza4pmjvpigrmyinrbamxaxp82uyvzcsesqlhxiqapaq)> wrote:

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=mk9wd5wlsv5r0kh8rqen0wcqy9nesxouhxvfeb 9yhoy367hkkpb8jdg3nrjt31giyaceswtpafqgfjk), matthew woolley <ringwraith14@y...>
wrote:
> i had to respond to this. >
> and all this "fear mongering"??? the party most notably spewing
fear the last few months has been the dems! fear of bush, fear that
he will ruin social security and all the other democrat
electioneering standbys.
__________________________
i just want to appologize to the moderator chris for my earlier
message. i do understand why politics is not on-topic. chris, you
do a good job, and i am sorry for making your job harder than it has
to be.

matthew's message made me realize why it is a waste of time to
discuss politics on this list, i had just assumed that anybody who
supported bush had already unsubscribed, as i know most of his
supporters already have long ago. quite frankly im sure less than 1
percent of everyone in the new age spiritual community supports bush,
so its not even worth discussing. im afraid you are alone on this
one matthew, so just let it go - rush limbaugh is calling your name,
you must go now.

[fran.vincent@...>]

monica and all:

i too have quit listening and reading most of the news- as it does
create fear and is full of bull most of the time. i do skim some of it
to keep in the loop of things, and i work at being selective at what i
see and read.. i have read from llresearch over and over, there is
nothing to fear, and david has stated it many times. we have to find a
way to know and make it true for ourselves.

what can you do to lessen your fears? turn your thoughts around. what
i am doing to over come my fears and negative thinking? i have been
replacing my thoughts as much as possible with positive thoughts,
prayers and intentions.

i found myself being angry driving to work, and talking in my mind about
all the things this person did to me, or that person did to me--i was
obsessing. in order to stop this, i began saying my prayers. we can
only think of one thing at a time. i have been doing this for four
years, back and forth from work. i place my focus on the earth, the
air, the water, and its inhabitants. i also pray for others at home at
night. this has stopped most of the negative chatter in my mind. the
strange thing is, the more i focus on others, the more positive my life
becomes. some one wrote, "negativity limits and attracts", and i added,
and positively creates and attracts.

monica, i make an effort to become detached to most outcomes. i was
detached already from the political area, at least four months ago. the
outcome surprised me, but i was not emotionally upset when i heard all
the news. detachment is a form of protection and is logical--we can do
very little to change what is going on out there!

focus and pray for your son's good health and well being, and not focus
on the other side of the coin.

i hope some of my thoughts will help you.

in love and light,

the lucky unicorn,

fran

________________________________

from: lealdragon [mailto:lealdragon@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=rtto18vqbofr5hypgxasqd3ncxorayfss3h5ny xzh08b698yw6vqd19iuauij4kleffgljicliyoxpbgkw)]
sent: thursday, november 04, 2004 8:05 am


" i know i need to let go of this fear and trust, but i am having a
hard
time with it.

any suggestions, reassurances, quotes from loo or recent channelings,
etc. would be very much appreciated!

thanks and blessings

monica "




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[jesterman]

i loved that!!! it inspires a great united humanity..

peace to all

on wednesday 03 november 2004 18:57, lesley schultz wrote:
> buddhist response:
>
> om mani padme hum.....om mani padme hum....om mani
> padme hum....

[lealdragon]

you are right. but, any suggestions as to how to do that? i confess
that i get very frustrated when dealing with people who are so
narrow-minded that they don't even acknowledge that their leader,
jesus, preached love, forgiveness and compassion. personally i do try
to shine the light everywhere i go. maybe my mistake is in expecting
to see any results. i have yet to learn to just shine the light as
best i can and not be attached to any response.

>
> it is pretty sad that a site that is supposed to be devoted to
light, love, the loo and david wilcock.have got to feel pretty sad
that you turn away what i believe is the silent majority in this
country. way to spread the the light and love.
>

[Jeremy Weiland]

--- lealdragon <lealdragon@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=ut9cudwvxejes5wp_cdtk26waxt849gpanlyeo 3osccgk1kbpfyzxczs_q3vfep080egpstzunknbv7iuq)> wrote:
> yet, this draft thing is still nagging me (we have a
> teenage son). i just can't seem to let go of that
> fear.

try to remember that your son *chose* to enter the
experiences of this planet at this time. whatever
happens, you are not totally responsible for it. he
needs to make his own decisions based on the catalyst
with which he is presented, just like we all do.

my opinion, hope it helps.

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[Jeremy Weiland]

> it is pretty sad that a site that is supposed to be
> devoted to light, love, the loo and david
> wilcock.have got to feel pretty sad that you turn
> away what i believe is the silent majority in this
> country. way to spread the the light and love.

while i agree 100% with what you're saying, you have
no idea how much disappointment some of us are going
through. many of my friends are seriously depressed
about the outcome, and there are issues there that go
beyond electing bush or kerry that need to be worked
out somehow. please try to understand us as we
attempt to understand you all. you have no reason to
feel like you don't belong - i have different politics
than 99% of the people on this list, and i've never
felt out of place. there issues that divided us on
the election are not healed just because one side or
the other won.

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[Tony P.]

i believe it's more important that the votes are counted correctly,
rather than who won. i don't have much else to say than that.

> while i agree 100% with what you're saying, you have
> no idea how much disappointment some of us are going
> through. many of my friends are seriously depressed
> about the outcome, and there are issues there that go
> beyond electing bush or kerry that need to be worked
> out somehow. please try to understand us as we
> attempt to understand you all. you have no reason to
> feel like you don't belong - i have different politics
> than 99% of the people on this list, and i've never
> felt out of place. there issues that divided us on
> the election are not healed just because one side or
> the other won.
>
> jeremy

[Lesley Schultz]

hello matthew:

--- matthew woolley <ringwraith14@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=tczow2ijxax17lwt_ht6mccx3e3dolgebqxry6 npqdhrlxrnfj_xrtv2cnpxtj3tkdi1x_0huvfp3hse3w)> wrote:

>snip>> why can't a christian also believe in much
> of the new age religiosity? trust me, there are
> overlaps. my initial response to a political post a
> month or so ago was based on this same inconsistency
> or hypocrisy that i felt was showing up on this
> site.
>
ls: i had hoped that chris would cut this thread off
after the earlier political exchange [before the
election] that got emotional and unpleasant.

i was grateful to jeremy for sharing this thoughts,
and for refering us to his blog where he talked about
how he thinks the rest of the country feels [the ones
in the red states, primarily.] i went and looked at
it, and it had some very valid points. it's true that
folks in america that don't live on the coasts or in
areas that are traditionally multi-cultural and
liberal feel like they're being spit on and
marginalized. for many years the media and the
pundits talked about conservative christians as the
next thing to mad dogs [with apologies to our canine
friends] who, if they aren't actually secret
hypocrites, are certainly living in the dark ages and
not very bright, ciphers that want to be told what to
do, without minds and wills of their own, and inbred
tight-fisted worm-hearted fear-ridden fools.

i found rush limbaugh, when i listened to him
occasionally years ago, to be abrasive and kind of
borderline obnoxious, but he had some extremely good
points and give some valuable food for thought. and
he was virtually the only person that had a voice in
the media that was counter to the tidal wave of
clinton-era sucking-up. i could appreciate how people
felt that wanted to hear another point of view.

now the tide has turned again. conservative
viewpoints are ruling the airwaves. it just depends
on who is in power-- the group with the most influence
and the most $$ sets the tone of what we hear and see
in the news and media.

i actually think it's wrong and disrespectful of the
people's intelligence that we don't get a balance
viewpoint anymore, and where civilized intellectual
discussion is not had on tv and radio anymore. the
pundits yelling at each other on "the mclaughlin
group" and you see reporters shouting each other down
on even cnn and other places. discussion is reduced to
soundbites at full volume. the presidential debates
were a joke- there was no serious debating about the
issues, in spite of the the fact that many in the
audiences were hoping to see some and came away
disappointed. radio is no better, with all the talk
radio shows vying for the most sensational
programming. we don't have respectful and thoughtful
discussion on tv or radio anymore, or very rarely and
at odd hours of the day or night. is it any wonder
that debate in the public forum of our everyday lives
is uncivil and intellectually impoverished? it's all
about emotion [mostly fear] not ideas.

the law of one and dw's work are a collection of ideas
and principals that demand close intelligent
examination and qualitive testing. these are things
that really matter. politicans come and go, empires
rise and fall. the one is all that there is, composed
of politics and empires but also of so much, much
more.

can we please give this a rest and go back to talking
about important things?

good journey,
~lesley





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[lealdragon]

for me, it is very much directly tied in to the loo because i had
begun to have hope, hope that maybe, just maybe, kerry would be a
wanderer who would guide this country (and the world) into a
direction of tolerance and peace.

what i struggle with now is fear that greed, war, and intolerance are
in power. it's not just a matter of accepting others' choices - i
have no problem with that - but i do have a problem accepting others
making choices that concern me and the world i live in.

it has also shaken my faith - i am having a hard time understanding
how the shift can take place, when the world seems to be getting more
and more violent. but i know that i need to have faith that goes
beyond understanding.

i am working on acceptance and trying to regain hope - hope that
somehow good will come from all of this divisive 'us against them'
mentality that has won by majority rule.

i remember something in one of the readings about the corrupt govt.
getting 'dismantled'. i am choosing to focus on the hope that somehow
the bush win is necessary for this dismantling - maybe things need to
come to a head first.

at the same time, when i am around my fundamentalist friends (who are
celebrating) i am trying to see it from their perspective - they are
overjoyed that at last (in their view) there is a 'moral' man in the
white house. i am trying to see them as self and view the situation
from their point of view.

this process is helping me a great deal to make peace with the
situation.

i have had some very wonderful discussions with some of them and now
hopefully they no longer see me as this evil person just because i
voted for someone they think as 'immoral' (tho they've never been
able to explain why, aside from the abortion issue) - so it works
both ways.

i think this dialog is very valuable. just reaching some
understanding with those few people can have a huge effect when
rippled out.

i'm certainly not 'there yet' but have a ways to go.

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=ogjkxfmta4r5zagbo54wg5athsvqei-azfjfgj-3y4ksu5r9nh0had-at4kqgold3j1sxnd_dig7ubnh), jeremy weiland <greenlantern113@y...>
wrote:
> > it is pretty sad that a site that is supposed to be
> > devoted to light, love, the loo and david
> > wilcock.have got to feel pretty sad that you turn
> > away what i believe is the silent majority in this
> > country. way to spread the the light and love.
>
>

[Dave M.]

matt:
why can't a christian also believe in much of the new age religiosity? trust me,
there are overlaps.

me:
i agree, jesus taught many of the same principles that ra taught. however, what
i don't get is the
connection you see between bsh and jesus. quite frankly, i see them as
opposites: jesus was spiritually
mature - bsh is spiritually immature (as is kerry, both are sts, but not close
to the 95% imo). as an
example: jesus said "if they are not against us they are with us", on the other
hand bsh preached "if
they are not with us they are against us". the former encourages unity while
the later encourages
separation.

just because someone declares "i am a christian", it does not mean they follow
the teachings of christ.
please let me know what war it was that jesus initiated. oh, and while your at
it, let me know where
jesus preached intolerance. i thought he preached acceptance which is a step
beyond mere tolerance.
yet, moral issues such as banning same sex marriages for legal purposes was a
major issue that drew
these intolerant christians out to vote. btw, an intolerant christian is an
oxymoron.

is this not showing gays "the door" as you put it? it's interesting that you
are so concerned with
hypocrisy when you are the one being excluded, but you seem to be ok with
excluding and chastising
others for their personal choices that don't even effect you. it's like you
(i'm talking about
fundamentalists here, your views may differ) want to control how others behave
and live (limit their
free will personal choices) - think it's ok to impose your will on the will of
others, and get indignant
when someone calls you on it. if someone doesn't agree to have their choices
limited by you, they are
limiting your free will choice because your free will choice is to limit others'
free will. this is the
ultimate in hypocrisy and intolerance.

so it doesn't surprise me that you would take offense to bjorn's statement "i
had just assumed that
anybody who supported bush had already unsubscribed". and that you took that to
mean that you were
being shown the door. so if you really are a believer in loo and jesus, i
wonder how it is that you
reconcile these contradictions and at the same time accuse others of hypocrisy.

i assume you mean that you believe the "silent majority" is christian
fundamentalists? if so, then here
are some stats: this group accounted for 30% of the bsh vote in 2000. which
makes them at best 15% of
the voters. this is hardly what i would call a majority. as far as them being
silent: well i don't see
that either: they seem all to vocal when forcing their 'values' down the throats
of others.

l&l,

dave

[Tony P.]

i'm going to express my opinions of the 2004 election, a bit more in
depth.

going to http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=utf-8&q=voting
problems , i have this comment. i really hope when we get the final
tally, the votes are counted correctly, no matter who won. and i hear
there were issues of no paper trails for electronic voting, and
concerns over whether a vote for kerry somehow ended up being for
bush, receipts or not.
-
it's better to have had each and every vote cast counted correctly
rather than who won the presidency.

personally, i voted for democratic write-in candidate john joseph
kennedy, if anyone is wondering.

some say bush being elected is a catalyst. the war protesters for
one, which may or may not have occurred if kerry were elected. some
say kerry would have stuck to his promises, some say not.

i believe the important things are as follows. fighting (not
physically) for the truth to come out regarding all things. and
knowing the candiate one is voting for. both kerry and bush are/were
skull & bones (yale club or something).

[Steve & Jennifer]

"... i had begun to have hope, hope that maybe, just maybe, kerry
would be a wanderer who would guide this country (and the world)
into a direction of tolerance and peace."

i feel that we, as a species, are on the verge of suddenly realizing
that we are each divine sovereign entities and no longer have a need
for "leaders", shady or otherwise. i mean, think about it; when was
the last time you needed a "leader" to guide you through your day-to-
day life and the choices you make...?

"what i struggle with now is fear that greed, war, and intolerance
are in power. it's not just a matter of accepting others' choices -
i have no problem with that - but i do have a problem accepting
others making choices that concern me and the world i live in."

but, don't you see? our greedy intolerant "leaders" have been doing
that for thousands of years! the only thing that is really different
now is our growing intolerance of that scenario.

"it has also shaken my faith - i am having a hard time understanding
how the shift can take place, when the world seems to be getting
more and more violent."

as i see it, everything is ramping up, not just the negativity and
violence. it's just that the positive energies, which are increasing
just as rapidly if not more so, aren't acknowledged by the
mainstream media because they're controlled by the negative forces
who want us to believe that the dark energies are all that there is.
fear tends to shout -- love tends to whisper. besides, fear and
violence seem to generate much more intensity and excitement than
love and acceptance, and let's face it -- we do luvs our excitement!
it's why we came here in the first place!

"i am choosing to focus on the hope that somehow the bush win is
necessary for this dismantling [of a corrupt government] - maybe
things need to come to a head first."

yes, i agree. there is definitely much awakening, with the resulting
increased polarization, yet to occur. i visualize humanity at this
juncture of evolution as being like a giant amoeba going through the
difficult process of dividing and becoming two valid individual
expressions of all that is -- one choosing to align with the idea of
light and oneness and the other choosing to remain aligned with
darkness and separation in order to explore that idea further.

"... my fundamentalist friends... are overjoyed that at last (in
their view) there is a 'moral' man in the white house."

ah, yes... the "m" word. the problem with "morality" is that it has
been changed and revised constantly down through the ages in order
to accommodate the wishes of tptb and their control of the masses.
it seems to go hand in hand with fear. it's another way of saying,
"do as i say, not as i do." ethics, on the other hand, are an
inherent integral part of our spiritual beingness and are not open
to ego-driven intellectual interpretation.

"i have had some very wonderful discussions with some of [my
fundamentalist friends] and now hopefully they no longer see me as
this evil person just because i voted for someone they think
as 'immoral'..."

something i realized long ago was that in order to follow my heart,
i need to not be concerned about what others may or may not think of
me because i have absolutely no control over that. most people spend
most of their time worrying about, and making decisions based upon,
what others might think of them. i think maybe these are the people
who need external leaders the most. a few weeks ago, as i was
entering the grocery store, i passed a voter registration table set
up near the door. when asked if i was registered to vote i replied
that i wasn't because i didn't participate in politics for the same
reason that i didn't attend professional wrestling events. she gave
me a puzzled "huh?" look to which i continued, "because they're both
fake!"

of course, these are just my personal observations. as i see it, all
is as it must be.

~ steve

[lealdragon]

steve, thanks so much for your reply to my concerns! i will think
about all that you have said.

> i feel that we, as a species, are on the verge of suddenly
realizing
> that we are each divine sovereign entities and no longer have a
need
> for "leaders", shady or otherwise.

[Lesley Schultz]

dear steve, lealdragon, et al:

--- lealdragon <lealdragon@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=i7sm8lon5wj7eagy-djzdaxhhgpasnti-qkfft8x-ffkhcjzhzwrw1r982iuy-smtk8s5ta3kffafk27jg)> wrote:

> steve, thanks so much for your reply to my concerns!
i will think about all that you have said.
>
steve wrote: i feel that we, as a species, are on the
verge of suddenly realizing that we are each divine
sovereign entities and no longer have a need for
"leaders", shady or otherwise.

ls: excellent points, steve, and some real food for
thought. i was thinking over the weekend that the
appeals we've been hearing from our american
leadership for unity and coming-together, even though
it will be very hard because the nation is so
polarized, might be a wonderful exercise for all of us
right now. forces have divided us from each other,
but really we all want the same things: to be able to
live in peace, to love one another and to work
together for the betterment of all. we all want to be
respected and honored for our differences as well as
for our commonalities. this piece, which makes the
stuff about living in peace, loving one another and
working together possible, has been missing for a long
time. for the past several years, one group in
america has looked down upon another. this needs to
stop. we can show them how. everytime we show respect
for each other, and create a conduit through which
love can flow, it makes our transition easier.

truly, the transformation of humankind into its 4th
density presence on this world continues apace and
doing very well. sometimes we stumble, but the point
is to keep on trying to live the truth we feel in our
hearts.

good journey,
~lesley




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