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sol72us@...

09-13-2001, 05:19 AM

periodically, i have moments of clarity that explain
things that i'm working on.

i was considering the possibility of using the i-ching as
a translational tool to explain some number patterns that
interest me.

mid august, in a moment of silence, a revelation:
i-ching-3, or the groupings of 3 trigrams on top of
each other instead of only 2 comprising the hexagrams.

this was an interesting concept, the 3 added bits would
expand the range.

another revelation was that the standard hexagram set
overlapped onto the expanded set.

that's it, i don't quite understand it, but there may
be some i-ching fans who could find some entertainment
here.

pat

rodj

09-14-2001, 03:33 PM

pat,

thank you for the ah-ha(s) on i-ching. much of my life has been dedicated to
a study of i-ching. if you are interested i am now editing a couple of my
articles on i-ching and taoist lore.

i'll experiment with your idea. however, within my knowledge is the
mathematical implication around the ancient development of the i-ching and
the tao te-ching. they are based on cycles derived from binaural
applications of numbers 8 and 9 squared. their most important use within the
mystical uses of the ancients is connected with the lo maps as coded guides
for their reading and use as alchemical texts.

rod deebokonon

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periodically, i have moments of clarity that explain
things that i'm working on.

i was considering the possibility of using the i-ching as
a translational tool to explain some number patterns that
interest me.

mid august, in a moment of silence, a revelation:
i-ching-3, or the groupings of 3 trigrams on top of
each other instead of only 2 comprising the hexagrams.

this was an interesting concept, the 3 added bits would
expand the range.

another revelation was that the standard hexagram set
overlapped onto the expanded set.

that's it, i don't quite understand it, but there may
be some i-ching fans who could find some entertainment
here.

pat

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sol72us@...

09-28-2001, 02:15 AM

from convergenceiii:

"as we can see from the above passage, modern superstring physicists
feel that the energies making up the dimensions are "not symmetrical"
in ramanujan's octave-based system, and they therefore arbitrarily
add two extra dimensions in order to make everything mathematically
fit together. the ten dimensions of conventional "superstring theory"
come about from this abstraction - and in an equally inelegant
manner, string theorists took ramanujan's group of three octaves or
24 dimensions and added two more to get 26. one would think that if
you had three different octave systems, each of which had tremendous
musical symmetry, that you would not want to break that symmetry in
such a manner as to add only two more to the entire group - but most
of them are probably not musicians!"

could a trigram correspond to an octave, and a three trigram set
correspond to a "three octaves group" as mentioned above?

pat

--- in asc2k@y..., "rodj" <rodj@2...> wrote:
> pat,
>
> thank you for the ah-ha(s) on i-ching. much of my life has been
dedicated to
> a study of i-ching. if you are interested i am now editing a couple
of my
> articles on i-ching and taoist lore.
>
> i'll experiment with your idea. however, within my knowledge is the
> mathematical implication around the ancient development of the i-
ching and
> the tao te-ching. they are based on cycles derived from binaural
> applications of numbers 8 and 9 squared. their most important use
within the
> mystical uses of the ancients is connected with the lo maps as
coded guides
> for their reading and use as alchemical texts.
>
> rod deebokonon
>
> -----original message-----
> from: sol72us@y... [mailto:sol72us@y...]
> sent: thursday, september 13, 2001 4:20 am
> to: asc2k@y...
> subject: [asc2k] i ching vision
>
>
> periodically, i have moments of clarity that explain
> things that i'm working on.
>
> i was considering the possibility of using the i-ching as
> a translational tool to explain some number patterns that
> interest me.
>
> mid august, in a moment of silence, a revelation:
> i-ching-3, or the groupings of 3 trigrams on top of
> each other instead of only 2 comprising the hexagrams.
>
> this was an interesting concept, the 3 added bits would
> expand the range.
>
> another revelation was that the standard hexagram set
> overlapped onto the expanded set.
>
> that's it, i don't quite understand it, but there may
> be some i-ching fans who could find some entertainment
> here.
>
> pat
>
>
>
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Rod

09-28-2001, 02:08 PM

<table>
>i have some rather refined thoughts on the dimension question below. they are a little lengthy because of the treatment needed. so if you are not intothe mental strain of a technical understanding of the suggestion then x this message.
>
>rod
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from convergenceiii:

"as we can see from the above passage, modern superstring physicists feel that the energies making up the dimensions are "not symmetrical"
>
>symmetry here is considered only within a given three space. in inter-phase concepts,which incorporate multi-dimensions, symmetry is the rule of thumb. however, the tcp (time-light-particle charge) rules of symmetry do not apply as there are no particle actions that inter-phase. 
>
>multidimensional inter-phase requires perpendicular relationships between parallel dimensional system. in other words, to get to another 180 degree parallel universe requires two 90 degree transitions. physicist steven hawking had trouble with that, saying, "i cannot see particles making those sharp right turns."
>
>supperstring theorists have attempted to circumvent that with conceptsof connective fields (string motif) within the quark particle entities. however, when strings connect in free space they have to define particle properties, some of which (electrons) are assymmetric. what they do not realize is that their idea would gel with reality if they would forget about particles as the micro construct.
>fields are a much better motif. 
>
>in ramanujan's octave-based system, and they therefore arbitrarily
add two extra dimensions in order to make everything mathematically
fit together. 
>
>what they are coming up with is a weak notion that does not realize that the two needed dimensions would be satisfied in a vector field axis. every vector field has a specific axis and in the multidimensional sense every axis must be in perpendicular relationship to a transition axis. (two dimensions) thinking in hyper or multidimensional concepts is not an easy task.. >

>the ten dimensions of conventional "superstring theory"
come about from this abstraction - and in an equally inelegant
manner, string theorists took ramanujan's group of three octaves or
24 dimensions and added two more to get 26. one would think that if
you had three different octave systems, each of which had tremendous
musical symmetry, that you would not want to break that symmetry in
such a manner as to add only two more to the entire group - but most
of them are probably not musicians!"
>
>music sounds are also volumes (3-dimensional) defined by vector fields and as stated every vector field has a specific axis of one dimension interacting with another between universes in 2-dimensional context. 
>
could a trigram correspond to an octave, and a three trigram set
correspond to a "three octaves group" as mentioned above?
>
>all that aside the i-ching octave is based on a consistent math drawn from eight permutations of two things taken in combinations of three.they cancombinewithout repetition in thesquare of eight, 64. they can eachtransform into some other aspect of the 64 combinations. the most important aspect in this is non-repetition in hexagram choice and or its transformation. 
>
>if you used three trigrams you would have repetitions and the analogies would start to conflict.
>
>however, it is much deeper than that. the i-ching is only a part of the mathematical map. its greater use was to codify the use of reading of tao te ching, 81 (the square of 9) chapters as separate alchemies. the code was devised to divide the chapters into8 alchemies by using the lo maps. 
>
>the fundamental 9 numbers were arranged in a three sided graph. (tick tack toe) 8 around the outside of 1 number in the center. the number in the center became the key and the tao te ching was read in a sequence drawn from certain center numbers. the prime number 5 and the non prime number 4 and the sums of the 8 sequences of six 3 number rows plus thetwo 3 number diagonal rows provided the reading sequence.
>
>the eight numbers around the out side of the maps were referred to as the flower, and the center number the "one" or the "seed." this knowledge gives us an interesting interpretation to the chapter that reads (in the jai fu fung interpretation) i paraphrase here.
>
>knowing the future (i-ching) is a flowery trapping of the tao that sometimes leads to foolishness.hold to the center. cling to the onefor therein lies the secrete. 
>
>pat
>
>keep searching, for in understanding tao is an ultimate subtle wisdom,
>
>rod

sol72us@...

09-29-2001, 10:43 AM

dear rod,
thank you for sharing your thoughts, i feel quite honored and
privileged to receive them. thank you for sharing.
i offer this spontaneous feedback in search of possibility.

1) okay, i fess up, i don't know much about ramanujan's system. but
i do appreciate the beauty of 3 octaves. i'm interested in learning
more about inter-phase concepts using orthogonal energy field
vectors. the implication of simple symmetric models and the analogy
with music are congruent with my path. the balance created by
symmetry is often used in religious art, together with the love of
music, and the appreciation that some of the most profound physics is
simple and elegant, directs this as a whole-brain way toward light
and love.
2) is the i-ching octave based the binary number system or vice
versus? if it is, i consider it a look-up table or directory. one
possibility could be that the trigram lines correspond to frequency
vectors on or off. in a hexagram, one trigram could correspond to a
high frequency octave, the other low. in this way, any redundancy is
removed. the net state is a function of all line states.
3) i respect the uniqueness of the hexagrams, but i don't believe
this is the whole picture. like a veil, the unknown portion has not
been relevant. if there is another trigram in the group, it could
correspond to higher frequencies that are imperceptible by our
limited consciousness. the presence of these higher frequency states
causes the hexagram meanings to change, removing redundancy. in
this way the meaning of the known hexagrams are but one component to
an expanded collection of three trigram sets.
4) you mention tic-tac-toe, i imagine rubics cube. could there be
one trigram per axis for the square and analogously one trigram per
axis for the cube? if one axis on the cube is not active, the result
is an active square, described by a hexagram.
5) knowing the future...leads to foolishness. i agree. for years
the square has been desecrated by evil selfish use. the associated
secrecy is a distortion of the law of one, and has lead to the dire
disparity the world is suffering.
6) cling to the one for therein lies the secret, one love and the law
of one. ironically, entails openness to remove secret induces
separation, to reveal the secret. oh how you have to love the cosmic
comedy.

gratefully,
pat

sol72us@...

10-07-2001, 04:04 PM

information comes in many forms.
sometimes useful information is found in books.
other times it can be created by necessity.
sometimes solutions from one activity apply to another.
we can stumble upon information by accident.

some information is useful, some is not.
it's usefulness depends upon what you are doing.
sometimes information that appears useless can in fact
be useful information to help us later.

this particular information came upon me on a walk to
sacred lake winnemucca. all trigram elements were present.
inbetween strikes of thunder, there was about 3 hours
of crystal clear silence, mind silence. the vision of
the 3 trigram sets and the 27 segment cube came out of
this. in the cases of these silent periods, i
completely surrender and unconditionally accept
whatever comes.

this may be useless now, but useful later.
i believe it is useful, and i pass it on with my
unconditional blessings.

other information comes in dreams. i had a dream a
couple weeks ago. the gist was to look at the big book
with the orange and violet cover, and look at the
navy book with the gold embossed letters. i woke up
and started searching. i found only two books that matched
these descriptions. one was the "american institue of
physics handbook", mcgraw-hill dated 1957. the other
was "organic spectroscopy, principles and applications",
by pierre laszlo and peter stang, harper and row,
dated 1971.

i believe this dream is useful, related to the puzzle.
i pass this information on with my
unconditional blessings.