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David Wilcock
10-28-2003, 09:12 AM
group,

we had a question pop up a few days ago about this from our friend in
the satellite business. though the sun's overall activity appears to
have declined as is warranted with the 11-year cycle, the remainder is
anything from "normal." i didn't have the exact numbers to back this up,
but battros did a pretty good job today. this will be affecting us in
unexpected ways as time goes on - the closer we get to the "waterline"
between densities, the more intense the sun will behave, regardless of
where it is supposed to be in its cycle. here goes:

severe solar flare alert now in progress...10/28/03
by mitch battros (ectv)

i have just been notified minutes ago, an unprecedented x-14 flare has
just exploded from sunspot region 486. this is the 2nd largest solar
flare to erupt in the last three years. there was only one higher back
in 2000 which registered as x-15. at this point in the so-called 'solar
cycle 23', we should be witness to a significant "decrease" in solar
activity. we are not!
an intensifying s2-class solar radiation storm is in progress. the
explosion almost certainly hurled a coronal mass ejection toward earth,
which could trigger bright auroras when it arrives on oct 29th or 30th.
stay tuned for details.

just in the last five days, the sun has thrown (12) twelve m-class
flares, (5) five x-class flares, (7) seven cme's. many more are expected
over the next five to ten days. we have been incredible lucky as to not
having a 'direct hit' to earth. we have come close with 'glancing blows'
having only slight power grid and satellite disruption. but by no means
are we out of the woods just yet.

today's sunspot count has shot up to 238. there are now few, if any,
space weather scientists who are holding on to any such idea that we are
in a "normal" solar cycle. we are not! we are in a "mega cycle", perhaps
one that is close to 144 years in cycle. but there is just as much
evidence which would suggest we are perhaps in a 1200 year cycle. it is
very hard to analyze. but in my mind, and most upper level scholars,
know we "are not" in something called 'cycle 23'.

today's sunspot count is further evidence of a "mega cycle". to give a
comparison, if we were in the nasa predicted 'cycle 23', we would be in
double digit sunspot counts, perhaps between 40 and 65. there would also
be the absence of solar flares or cme's. sure, there may be an
occasional event, but nothing any where close to what we see today.

watch for sudden freak storms to occur. most notably might be
'micro-bursts', straight-line winds, wind shears, and tornadoes. also
watch for 'record breaking' rain, or record high temperatures. (see
equation)

equation:
sunspots => solar flares => magnetic shift => shifting ocean and jet
stream currents => extreme weather and human disruption (mitch battros)

yesterday, sky & telescope put out a notice advising people of space
weather predictions. it indicates a sure direction towards the upcoming
"super-duper doppler weatherman".

here is their quote: "what tools we have would be somewhat analogous to
a meteorologist predicting the arrival and intensity of a storm front
based on the data from a single station located over a thousand miles
away. it's possible to do, but accuracy and timing suffer. so don't be
surprised if space weather predictions aren't always as accurate as
might be desired. mankind has a long way to go before space weather
forecasting is as routine as meteorological forecasting."

dw: since battros wrote this, the storm has now been upgraded to an
x-18, the largest of its kind in 14 years - and this is not at a time
where such things are expected. the conventional models do not hold true
anymore considering the number of cme's, especially, that we have been
seeing. it even made the headlines of the drudge report today, right at
the top, linking here:

http://www.spaceweather.com

i am not interested in arguing about whether or not this is really
happening, but did want to point this out. the facts of the changes
throughout the solar system stand for themselves and the model is
continually being validated with new information.

peace be with you -

- david

Marc Martin
10-28-2003, 11:22 AM
> we had a question pop up a few days ago about this from our friend in
> the satellite business. though the sun's overall activity appears to
> have declined as is warranted with the 11-year cycle, the remainder
> is anything from "normal."

> today's sunspot count has shot up to 238. there are now few, if any,
> space weather scientists who are holding on to any such idea that we
> are in a "normal" solar cycle. we are not! we are in a "mega cycle",

what i've noticed is that the people who declare that we are in an
unusual solar cycle tend to write these articles on the very rare
occasions when the sun flares up. i remember an article about 2 years
ago where the writer was all excited about us being in a double peak,
ignoring the fact that we've had double peaks for the previous 3
cycles. and then we've heard next to nothing about the sun until now,
because things have been quiet. now we have some activity again and
people are trying to convince us again that things are unusual, when
the actual data shows otherwise. daily sunspot counts aren't what's
kept track of -- monthly averages are, and for the most part this month
was rather quiet. it may be 238 today, but look at the numbers for the
past year -- they're normal:

http://www.nwra-az.com/spawx/ssne-year.html

now, as to the issue of the sun being brighter, i won't argue with
that. i've noticed that the sun is "whiter" than it used to be for
quite some time...

marc

Marc Martin
10-28-2003, 12:13 PM
> daily sunspot counts aren't what's kept track of -- monthly
> averages are, and for the most part this month

hmm, that was a rather dumb thing for me to say... :-)
*of course* the daily sunspots *are* kept track of -- what
i meant to say is that one should look at the smoothed mean
data to get an indication of the trends, not some daily
high point.

here's a nice plot which shows recent daily numbers and the
smoothed data. so today's 238 sunspots is certainly very
high, but you can see that there's a huge amount of fluctuation
in the daily numbers:

http://sidc.oma.be/html/wolfjmms.html

marc

Lesley Schultz
10-28-2003, 01:33 PM
dear marc, l/l & peace to all:

--- marc martin <marc@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=hc_qn14poamklq4sxpvgbrbgtnghuufht9be8c vlwknduon1c2ijjf-dakvscpxdqmgyoajieht-adw)> wrote:
> and then we've heard next to nothing about
> the sun until now, > because things have been quiet.
now we have some > activity again and
> people are trying to convince us again that things
> are unusual, when > the actual data shows otherwise.
daily sunspot > counts aren't what's
> kept track of -- monthly averages are, and for the
> most part this month > was rather quiet. it may be
238 today, but look at > the numbers for the
> past year -- they're normal:
>
ls: okay, marc, i'll bite. i think this is the third
message on the subject that you've sent about the
recent solar activity not being abnormal when you
compare it with monthly and annual averages for
sunspot and flare activity. while i might argue that
if you had a data set that was large enough, you could
smooth out all kinds of anomolies by drowning them in
data that conforms to an average, i won't because this
isn't my point. it's generally good scientific
practice, when collecting data, to cut out data points
that appear to be outside of the average distribution
[the extremes of both ends.] this keeps your results
from being unnecessarily skewed by perhaps a poor
reading of your instruments or an experimental error.
yet, if you want to understand why something in an
experiment does not perform as expected, or your
results aren't what you hoped they would be, you need
to look at the spikes in your data set and figure out
where they came from. that's why the people in this
list are interested in it.

if you had a forest of say 1,000,000 pine trees, but
you had a hundred blue trees intermixed with the pine
trees, and maybe a handful of red ones, the blue and
red trees are still noteworthy, even if not
statistically significant. and even if the blue trees
are only a bit blue and the red trees a bit red, it's
still something a bit out of the ordinary.

what i'm kind of interested in seeing is how the
recent activity with the sunspots and cme's will
affect our weather in the coming months. if it does
turn out that we have some extremes of heat and cold,
wet and drought, perhaps we can say that the sunspot
activity is of interest because it directly affects
the way all of us live wherever we are.

blessings,
~lesley

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Jason Wharton
10-28-2003, 03:23 PM
> what i'm kind of interested in seeing is how the
> recent activity with the sunspots and cme's will
> affect our weather in the coming months. if it does
> turn out that we have some extremes of heat and cold,
> wet and drought, perhaps we can say that the sunspot
> activity is of interest because it directly affects
> the way all of us live wherever we are.

i'm also interested in what kind of "emotional weather" we are in for...

i'm sure that we as people are also effected in a direct way by what is
going on.

jason wharton

shemayet_3
10-29-2003, 09:19 AM
--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=hd7_qhhjh91mz2ok1eab1kx1ehld14ttslk0dq 16swerpmjlxpl5yn0s3tqvzgmfvpexnynx2_l4i3tl4ge), lesley schultz <msthoth@y...> wrote:

>>> what i'm kind of interested in seeing is how the
recent activity with the sunspots and cme's will
affect our weather in the coming months. if it does
turn out that we have some extremes of heat and cold,
wet and drought, perhaps we can say that the sunspot
activity is of interest because it directly affects
the way all of us live wherever we are.

blessings,
~lesley <<<

me: >>> greetings lesley, group :)


i wanted to report in about the happening's here in my hometown.

yesterday, i went out for take-out and everything on hwy 1, was
closed due to power loss. hmmmmmm..... this was a wake-up
call for me!! :| you see i live across a 1/4 mile stretch of water
from a very large nuclear power plant, and it is just a bit
disconcerting to me! does anyone know what could happen if a nuke
plant loses power? i mean they do have back up precautions in place,
correct? :(

my satelite t.v. has been acting up on me as well. i have digital
cable, however the disturbance's have been of a static nature, not
the usual square blips and bugs usually associated with it. (only
just started recently)

we also have a huge storm cell headed into town, that is supposed to
bring record-rainfall here to new england.

these could just be pure coincidence, but they would sure
be "uncanny" coincidences if you ask me!!!

i also wanted to bring into question the wild fires in california.
how they started seems to be a mystery. they say it was arson, but
how sure are the authorities that something of this nature didn't
start them??? (could be just another coincidence???)

then you have the massive bombings of the red cross and police
stations, by people, in baghdad. aren't these storms supposed to
have different sorts of effects on human consciousness??

all i do know is mother nature works in mysterious ways, and i'm not
about to question her. i will certainly be on my guard. you never
know what kinds of havoc something like this could cause.

i'm certainly glad to be apart of a community that's is "aware" in
more ways than one!! :)

blessed be, eternally

shemayet~*

onyxoryx
10-30-2003, 04:16 AM
ave and hello to all;
i'm still new to the group and have been lurking as i read the group's
material, however i wanted to add to the solar flare thread.
doing ritual work (lesser pentagram) and also sound and color meditation
over the last few days has been effortless and highly satisfactory for me.
for example, i've had a slight sensation in each chakra area of sound and
color meditation; i feel confident and strengthened by the pentagram ritual.
i'm attributing this to the intense solar activity.

i've enjoyed the many posts and links from you all.

~margaret
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> i'm also interested in what kind of "emotional weather" we are in for...
>
> i'm sure that we as people are also effected in a direct way by what is
> going on.
>
> jason wharton