External and Internal

[SgtPppr]

i think that most people, including many in this group, have forgotten the
most important thing in life: you are what you choose to be. whether
there is or is not a secret gov't conspiring against the population, it is
only another snippet of information that diverts us from being what we
choose to be. i find it strange that so many people are occupied with
conspiracy theories that they miss the biggest one of all: money. if
people were to spend the 40 hours a week at work doing something to
further themselves and their race, we wouldn't even be having this
discussion. i look at all the species of life on our planet and am blown
away by this system of paper that we worship as god and spend most of our
waking hours in seek of. the best way to distract someone form the truth
is with an accepted system. we neither question nor even look into this
system we call "everyday life" or "how things are". does anyone else find
it unnatural to trade paper and use it as the foundation of life? money is
control. it is the leash that everyone has on eachother.

it would not suprise me if there was a secret gov't and that that secret
gov't has leaked knowledge of itself to the general population exclusively
to occupy the population with the search for the secret gov't. what
better way to direct the motivation of a population?

1. you are what you choose to be
2. if you choose to be a slave, so you are
3. the answers are internal, not external
4. "money", "society", and "accepted" are prisons

the real question is: have we made our world so distorted that it is
impossible to survive in it and still seek the light? i for one cannot
find the balance. money takes us from the light, but without money, we
cannot surivive in this society.

steve devries
lifeguard of the gene pool
http://www.immaculatedreams.com

"we are going to look at something
here; in a different way, from a
different angle, under a different
light; and if we look at it under
that different light, and from
that different angle, maybe we'll
see it as if it's the first time."
-mjk

[Lynn Ferguson]

money only harbors as much 'power' and 'control' as a person bestows
upon it. it's one's attitude toward any external object that matters
in how it is utilized in one's life. if you hold your power internally,
regardless of the relentless pursuit of a commercial system of property
control and management, you are and remain in the 'driver's seat'!

money, if seen as raw green energy, when viewed as a tool or resource
for creation and implementation of one's own energy; is neutral... ultimately,
it becomes our personal responsibility to use any resource available
to us wisely and prudently.

if you are aware of the manipulative forces that orchestrate the financial
systems internationally, then whether conspiratorial or simply practical;
it is always an individual's choice to extract oneself from any and all
external, artificial influences by maintaining the viewpoint of the observer.
the laws of quantum physics work with currency and notes just as any
other matter in the universe - it is formulated according to your expectation
and desire in your reality. there are so many ways to withdraw from
commercial activity. one can be sovereign. one can be free. one can
barter and engage in common law exchanges. from growing our own food,
to providing our own entertainment - we choose our path. and who's to
say that any other system of reciprocity could have produced the same
infrastructure that the m50 credit/debt instruments and leverage system
have accomplished in a few short decades?

personally, upon intensive research of the historical record...i came
to understand the reasoning and logic of the international bankers and
even found their calculating design rather clever. what bothers so very
many who feel betrayed and talk conspiracy...is that there has never
been full disclosure to the us citizen. unless you were writing the
code and planning the market strategies, most people are oblivious to
the degree of intricate sophistication of the ucc and statutory law.

gold still retains it's value, and if you know the secrets of the alchemists;
then you could extract any quantity of gold nuggets out of sea water
that you desired and sell to many commodity dealers and manufacturing
interests, not to mention governments globally. i would just as soon
trade a haircut for a healing session, and a book for couple dozen eggs
and vegetables from the garden. it is one of the most important issues
humanity faces...how to be stewards of our natural resources, the value
of which is reflected in our placement of 'price' upon them. the day
will come when food is far more valuable than frn notes or coins of the
realm.

one last thought...since all beings have free will, if we can remember
that even the international bankers and the cartels have the freedom
to create their own reality for the sake of the soul's evolution through
experience. and with that same freedom, we as sovereign beings have
the innate ability to decide whether we want to participate in their
system or design our own.

one point that you made about people living their lives without questioning
the tyranny of monetary systems...it readily demonstrates how diverse
we are - some are too busy working to support the large families and
large appetites they wish to consume to notice what is right before their
eyes and they get lost in the process - but it is a great lesson at deeper
levels of awareness. yet, others in the midst of the luxury afforded
with wealth find misery, despair, depression, lack of fulfillment, comfort,
creative enterprise, generosity, compassion, charitable works, adventure
and exploration...all aspects of a spectrum of experiences the 'resource'
provides.

would we have as much crime and greed and indulgence, if we had no competitive
monetary foundation for commerce? what if we instituted a startrek system
with replicators and education and career goals provided to one and all
- without the need for money ever again (unless we run into the sirians
and their bosses as we explore space and find no ferengi!) - would social
deviants cease to act on the basis of the need for acquiring things with
money if all things were available without cost. this is a subject that
could be discussed for years...and has been, among many deeply committed
and caring people. food for thought!



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lynn ferguson
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[Aaron Elder]

woohoo. a quote from salival. been a while steve. hopefully i will get to
see tool this fall. i apoligize if anyone on here doesn't like them. john
carlo, y do u tell david not to worry about "marginal considerations" like
bush consprcys and then go into 3 emails about a jewish power play consprcy.
you give me the perception that you are a contradiction of yourself. by your
argument in the cnn subject email..

as for the secret govt. who cares about them? they will all fall and drown
in there own karma!! they will be left behind david. just relax.........

so uhh, then your jewish power play consprcy is dust in the wind, so y bring
it up in the first place? by all means john carlo, have an opinion, but
please claim the opinion that your have, sometimes it seems like you shoot
up the opinion of others in order to draw attention to yourself, and then
drop "pearls" of your wisdom to the masses in awe once u have their
attention. not a flame, just trying to make you aware of yourself. and maybe
my interpretation is off the wall...

aaron


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subject: [asc2k] external and internal
date: sun, 15 jul 2001 19:03:24 -0500 (cdt)

i think that most people, including many in this group, have forgotten the
most important thing in life: you are what you choose to be. whether
there is or is not a secret gov't conspiring against the population, it is
only another snippet of information that diverts us from being what we
choose to be. i find it strange that so many people are occupied with
conspiracy theories that they miss the biggest one of all: money. if
people were to spend the 40 hours a week at work doing something to
further themselves and their race, we wouldn't even be having this
discussion. i look at all the species of life on our planet and am blown
away by this system of paper that we worship as god and spend most of our
waking hours in seek of. the best way to distract someone form the truth
is with an accepted system. we neither question nor even look into this
system we call "everyday life" or "how things are". does anyone else find
it unnatural to trade paper and use it as the foundation of life? money is
control. it is the leash that everyone has on eachother.

it would not suprise me if there was a secret gov't and that that secret
gov't has leaked knowledge of itself to the general population exclusively
to occupy the population with the search for the secret gov't. what
better way to direct the motivation of a population?

1. you are what you choose to be
2. if you choose to be a slave, so you are
3. the answers are internal, not external
4. "money", "society", and "accepted" are prisons

the real question is: have we made our world so distorted that it is
impossible to survive in it and still seek the light? i for one cannot
find the balance. money takes us from the light, but without money, we
cannot surivive in this society.

steve devries
lifeguard of the gene pool
http://www.immaculatedreams.com

"we are going to look at something
here; in a different way, from a
different angle, under a different
light; and if we look at it under
that different light, and from
that different angle, maybe we'll
see it as if it's the first time."
-mjk


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[Lynn Ferguson]

given john's fervent statements...i would say he does care about these
folks. there is such emotion in those words! i have heard that one
of the thirteen families has changed their positions, and are working
for change and reorganization from with their system, so even in the
most corrupt business - there is spiritual growth and transformation.


if i didn't understand what drives the behavior, i could condemn it more
easily. i don't condone it, but the entities who choose to incarnate
in this particular race have a great predisposition to owning these disparities
in this lifetime. my partner was born into a jewish family and the genetic
qualities and emotional affects are indeed strong, even when a person
becomes astutely aware of these predispositions...yet that provides fertile
ground for personal growth and self-mastery.

and what does all the power, the influence, the wealth, the real estate
and property, the control of countless millions buy, but a temporary
'fix'? ownership of material possessions, control of mega transnational
corporations, the ability to make a phone call and watch a nation fall
under the weight of one's power...it is nothing compared to the precious
and profound beauty that is found in the priceless smile of a delightful
child and the immensely gratifying wave of love that prevails, once the
trappings of the 'third seal' are forever discarded and mastered! each
person has a choice, and a path...and i suggest that the 'last waltz
of the tyrants' is nearly over as the music fades...and people awaken
to their innate sovereignty within.

here's to the resiliency of the human spirit in our quest for freedom!

--
lynn ferguson
meridianhealth@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=rd7tubhoe0-pml3lgxdtruevxduelz-r85l04fwtru5iukv7gutaxu6p7edtb9sgkqctc2o3kmkwn_fsl yheflk)


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[Jeremy Weiland]

> would we have as much crime and greed and indulgence, if we had no
competitive
> monetary foundation for commerce? what if we instituted a startrek system
> with replicators and education and career goals provided to one and all
> - without the need for money ever again (unless we run into the sirians
> and their bosses as we explore space and find no ferengi!) - would social
> deviants cease to act on the basis of the need for acquiring things with
> money if all things were available without cost. this is a subject that
> could be discussed for years...and has been, among many deeply committed
> and caring people. food for thought!

if we had replicators like in a star trek system, there would be no scarcity
of any resources - and therefore, no need for the money/price system to be
used to allocate resources. hope the replicators run on free energy,
though... :-)

later,

jeremy

[Lynn Ferguson]

there must be some source of dilithium crystals...

using a startrek model, we would support the work of people like tesla
and vonneumann, and free energy would be a living, working reality -
instead of an underground movement of home labs and the lack of a cohesive
network of dedicated researchers that can collaborate freely without
fear of reprisal.

i was corresponding with a gentleman who had found that the use of dis-similar
metals and water could produce electricity without consuming any fuel.
he and i corresponded for about four weeks, and he detailed the progress
he was making with his equipment. then suddenly, i didn't hear from
him. about two weeks later, one of his friends on the net sent out a
group message from his family, that he had died unexpectedly and of unknown
causes - strangely and perplexing them, asking for a prayer for this
man. he was unafraid and felt his devices would be well-received. he
gave away natural health devices to people who couldn't afford them.
and he had a working model for free energy.

it's my opinion, because i've seen it before with another person i know,
who did not die, but recovered because he had a 'real' rife function
generator; that it is the m.o. - to use bio-energetic weaponry on those
who are doing the research - a little pulse goes a long way to change
behavior. this other person was here conducting a seminar with me, and
from the day he felt bombarded with energy/frequency, it only took ten
days to fully develop a tumor. he retired from sharing the rife technology
after that, as he took their threat and warning seriously. i also decided
to curtail my gallant efforts to educate and provide access to this technology,
suggesting that people learn to emanate the healing frequencies through
consciousness techniques instead of reliance upon a machine. but that's
another story...

the fine people of the usps have seminars annually with many presenters
about their progress on their free energy devices, and they have audio
tape archives of past presentations - if anyone is interested. we really
do deserve to have access to energy at a free or reasonable cost, rather
than the fiasco of energy price manipulation and corporate profit structure
and policy that california has faced, with those of us in the pnw getting
caught in the aftermath. eventually, there is a man in japan that will
successfully develop a realistic functioning device that can supply a
regular household. but don't fall for the con artists like dennis lee
- who are great at marketing, but lack the veracity to tell the truth
that he doesn't have the ability to give an actual demonstration of working
units! he is the worst kind of opportunist, because as people learn
that they've been swindled, they also lose hope. when we do have a functioning
unit, i hope it will be the 'voice heard around the world'...and available
to all. if we could find a way to convince the powermongers that they
wouldn't lose their shorts, and that there was a way for them to benefit
as well as the common man, perhaps the ease of introduction and implementation
of free energy could proceed uninterrupted.

more later - back to work now!

--
lynn ferguson
meridianhealth@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=scdj9ohvl0wsq-amwix2rvotob7unwfle6yo1xehdsabkrs9-2ikyn780u3hnqnhfflq0ja9oxr6qzl1lqqwl0y8sa)

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[Rob Large]

money and/or power = corruption

i think that just about sums it up.

peace...duncan

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>subject: [asc2k] external and internal
>date: sun, 15 jul 2001 19:03:24 -0500 (cdt)
>
>i think that most people, including many in this group, have forgotten the
>most important thing in life: you are what you choose to be. whether
>there is or is not a secret gov't conspiring against the population, it is
>only another snippet of information that diverts us from being what we
>choose to be. i find it strange that so many people are occupied with
>conspiracy theories that they miss the biggest one of all: money. if
>people were to spend the 40 hours a week at work doing something to
>further themselves and their race, we wouldn't even be having this
>discussion. i look at all the species of life on our planet and am blown
>away by this system of paper that we worship as god and spend most of our
>waking hours in seek of. the best way to distract someone form the truth
>is with an accepted system. we neither question nor even look into this
>system we call "everyday life" or "how things are". does anyone else find
>it unnatural to trade paper and use it as the foundation of life? money is
>control. it is the leash that everyone has on eachother.
>
>it would not suprise me if there was a secret gov't and that that secret
>gov't has leaked knowledge of itself to the general population exclusively
>to occupy the population with the search for the secret gov't. what
>better way to direct the motivation of a population?
>
> 1. you are what you choose to be
> 2. if you choose to be a slave, so you are
> 3. the answers are internal, not external
> 4. "money", "society", and "accepted" are prisons
>
>the real question is: have we made our world so distorted that it is
>impossible to survive in it and still seek the light? i for one cannot
>find the balance. money takes us from the light, but without money, we
>cannot surivive in this society.
>
>steve devries
>lifeguard of the gene pool
>http://www.immaculatedreams.com
>
> "we are going to look at something
> here; in a different way, from a
> different angle, under a different
> light; and if we look at it under
> that different light, and from
> that different angle, maybe we'll
> see it as if it's the first time."
> -mjk
>

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[Sandy]

> money and/or power = corruption
> i think that just about sums it up.
> peace...duncan

i certainly hope you don't really believe this, duncan. the corruption
you see is more a product of our own selfish impulses than anything
else. to say that money and power are synonymous with corruption is to
say that all those with either of the two are corrupt. and that
statement carries more the smell of sour grapes than the ring of
truth.

corruption is a characteristic of this yuga. you'll see it everywhere,
even though it may stand out more where there is money and influence.

[Rob Large]

yes, i was a bit hasty in writing that. i suppose what i meant was those
who continually go after more money and more power just to further their own
means and to swell thier own coffers get corrupted by it.....or something
along those lines. ciao for now, duncan

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>subject: [asc2k] re: external and internal
>date: tue, 17 jul 2001 13:27:36 -0000
>
>
> > money and/or power = corruption
> > i think that just about sums it up.
> > peace...duncan
>
>i certainly hope you don't really believe this, duncan. the corruption
>you see is more a product of our own selfish impulses than anything
>else. to say that money and power are synonymous with corruption is to
>say that all those with either of the two are corrupt. and that
>statement carries more the smell of sour grapes than the ring of
>truth.
>
>corruption is a characteristic of this yuga. you'll see it everywhere,
>even though it may stand out more where there is money and influence.
>

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[Lynn Ferguson]

when you said that: "corruption is a characteristic of the yuga.", i
thought that summarized it quite well.

at the end of the kali yuga or iron age yuga, such demonstrations of
the decline are always present. so i suppose for our purposes, it helps
us to put it into perspective. it is said that those entities will be
reborn in another age to continue their spiritual evolutionary paths.
so when the cycle begins again with the golden age yuga, they'll have
the on-going opportunity to experience all states of consciousness and
eventually reach that state of enlightenment, which in this vernacular
is the akshar consciousness - the imperishable state of godman and godwoman
realization. for me, i'd rather accomplish this in this timeline and
this lifetime now! i want to understand the passage of time from this
lofty perspective of yugas, as a master who has immortalized the body
and has the mind to watch ages come and go. one time ram said to us,
that he had watched for 35,000 years as we incarnated into various timelines
after watching him ascend in his lifetime...and had seen us as men and
women, tyrants and victims, warring and peaceful, part and parcel to
any number of experiences that lead us to this lifetime and the dream
of god realization. that our various incarnations covered all the territory
of the human condition. it now makes sense to me that there will be
those who continue to evolve and incarnate through various yugas, and
there will be those who have fulfilled their journey and come to know
the oneness of the eternal mind of god through their individual experience
as the master. and that elusive love for all life can be known in the
last embrace of compassion for those souls who choose to experience corruption
and decline at any level. someone said it's analagous to not wanting
to 'steal their thunder'! that it isn't our place in the scheme of things
to rob them of their experience. for me, this provides more balance
and harmony to a knowingness that all is in divine order, though it doesn't
always appear to be the case from where i'm sitting at the moment.

back to work...

--
lynn ferguson
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