Moneu

[Karen Brown]

"literally all i received in the way of goodwill
donations thereafter was a $20"

david,
as soon as i can get out of this hotel (everyone has
been laid off and lost insurance in the past six
months), get a car, and my son well (he was at the
hospital yesterday) i would have been more than
willing to donate money. i feel as though money is
tight with almost everyone right now. i felt that
your post was "shaming" those who did not send money.
it made me feel like a child. i wouldn't know where
to send it if i could. i wish everyone a great time
in huntsville. be safe and peace be with you all.
i'm gone.
over and out,
karen


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[David Wilcock]

from: "karen brown"


> "literally all i received in the way of goodwill
> donations thereafter was a $20"
>
> david,
> as soon as i can get out of this hotel (everyone has
> been laid off and lost insurance in the past six
> months), get a car, and my son well (he was at the
> hospital yesterday) i would have been more than
> willing to donate money. i feel as though money is
> tight with almost everyone right now. i felt that
> your post was "shaming" those who did not send money.
> it made me feel like a child. i wouldn't know where
> to send it if i could. i wish everyone a great time
> in huntsville. be safe and peace be with you all.
> i'm gone.
> over and out,
> karen

dw: well, karen unsubscribed 2 minutes after sending this message, so i am
including her in the bcc. and actually it wasn't a 20, it was a five and
four ones. remember the four agreements? one was "don't take it personally."
sorry that you unsubscribed, karen, as i appreciated your contributions in
the intellectual / spiritual / emotional sense. that is as much of a gift as
anything financial. come back if you choose, after decompressing from a very
hard set of circumstances and finding a vehicle for self-expression through
your interpretation and personal experience of my actions.

i hope your son gets better, as i was almost sick enough in japan to go to
the hospital myself, so i can empathize. thankfully the lung mucus has
turned from green, orange and yellow to relatively white in the last 2 days.

remember that the call for donation was only a few dollars, not anything
major, and there was never an expectation that someone in the circumstances
you have described would be called upon for help. the basic overall
statistical point is that 0.33% of the group participated at an average of
about 2.7 cents per person. even if every person had mailed me one dollar
bill, i could have paid half the rent with that.

since you're all together on this issue, there's no point in any one person
taking a bullet for what i said - to do otherwise is rather self-destructive
and breaches most of the four agreements - be impeccable with your word,
don't take anything personal, don't make assumptions and always do your
best. (btw, the contact info is located on the "contact" section of the
homepage, http://ascension2000.com.)

if we're going to have people coming here and accusing us of being a cult
because we ask so-called "skeptics" to check their overblown egos at the
door to this forum or be booted, (healthy debate on the scientific and
spiritual issues is quite wonderful, but most of these types of people
really have little to add and simply want the self-gratification of thinking
they can corral, humiliate and disempower and / or convert and overpower a
group of 350 "crazy" people as if they were cattle,) then i feel it's
important that we at least have transparency in the sense of the donations
that are involved.

again, since everyone behaved the same way when i made an urgent plea for
assistance, there's no need for anyone to take personal accountability. in
fact, i urge you not to - but to simply reflect on the catalyst that is
given by the situation. some of you are laid up in a bed in a nursing home
with nothing but your laptop to your name - and i honor that. also tammy
allison emailed me privately and said that she was waiting until i made a
final decision after i got back from huntsville, as i had alluded to in
earlier threads, before moving forward. others may be in the same place.

after being in japan, with such an excellent public transportation system
that requires exercise to use, i can see how the illuminati influence has
bludgeoned this country into "distraction, anonymity and sleep" - hence even
with all that i am trying to do for this society, my calls for help are
relegated to "someone else is going to do it" - and that someone else does
not exist. i would have voted in the democrats had i been in the us during
election time, if for no other reason than to try to balance the abuses of
power and save us from additional anguish - but only 34% of people bothered
to vote.

ok, so i'm venting. i've still got a throbbing headache and have been awake
since 5am after going to bed at 2, such is the jet lag. i'll check in here
from time to time and update all of you, but i now realize that i've got to
think long-term, and that means the completion of my most important
projects, which necessitates loosening up on other ones. in the long run
you'll be grateful that i made the decision once all is finished and in a
published form you can get at the bookstore. my father is in the same boat
but is unwilling to let anything go, hence the inertia continues and he
worries about literally working himself to death by next christmas.

on a positive note, i really did experience a remarkable vibrational uplift
as a result of the experiences i went through. if i can just get well and
get some sleep on eastern standard time, then i'll be a happy camper again.
if i have not fully been "impeccable with my word" then i apologize. i do
extend my thanks to the others who have supported me at various times - you
know who you are.

peace be with you -

- david

[zhing311]

> "literally all i received in the way of goodwill
> donations thereafter was a $20"
>
> david,
> as soon as i can get out of this hotel (everyone has
> been laid off and lost insurance .


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yes, i can see where karen is coming from. its almost like you
expect donations or something. ill be honest, i didn't know that it
was expected of me. i view this group as a bunch of friends coming
together, and that includes david. i've never given donations to
friends. i really wasn't aware of david's expectations. i use the
term expectations, because it is obvious based on his comments that
he "expected" more. he even went as far as take the time to quantify
the pittance that he received(per person). i feel bad about this
because i know david has made sacrifices, and feels frustrated that
he is not able to support himself. in some ways i don't feel too bad
about it though.
ironically ive been saving money for 5 years for a trip back to
japan. i want to go back more than anything, but it wont happen for
another 10 years at the rate im going. sometimes you have to be
thankful for what you have. i'm sure your trip was paid for by
donations and stuff, and you worked very hard over there, but
nonetheless im sure it was an incredible experience that you are
grateful to have benefited from. i know the work is hard, but do you
really want to live off of donations anyway? it will never be
enough. you need to find a long-term solution. maybe start a letter
each month that you can charge money for. many people would
subscribe, you need to at least try this. or just pick up a few
bucks working a few hours a week part time.
i just really get the sense you were offended by the small amount of
money you received, to the point that you said you weren't even going
to read all the emails of the group anymore. you are only hurting
yourself with that one by the way.
as far as comparing us to the type of people who don't vote, just
cause we didn't give you money; i don't think that's fair. plus, as
far as only 36 percent of people voting is concerned, so what if they
voted? they probably would have voted republican anyway. it was a
mandate for ignorance and war. whether you like it or not, there are
more people in this country that are voting for violence and war than
peace. that's why all the turbulence that is predicted will happen.
david, in conclusion, it is my opinion that you are not as "balanced"
as you may believe, and may be somewhat clouded with issues of
abandonment due to the poor donation turnout. just give it some
thought and grasp those feelings of pain you may have and assimilate
them into your ever-evolving being, with happiness and love! good
day to all of you.

[jha_amin]

i'm not that fond of david's ego, but he does manage to pass
on some important truths if you are able to pick them out. that is
why i am here.
those of you that write about how much david has helped you and
all of this lovey dovey stuff should have no prolbems with sending
him a buck now and then. what, exactly, do you think his source of
income is?

if you've enjoyed the dance, pay the musician.

even the bible says an ox is worth the grain it eats while treading
out the grain from the husks.

i don't plan to contribute anything to david, but if he were my
best source of knowledge, i damn sure would.

glen

[David Wilcock]

----- original message -----
from: "karen brown" <karbrown77@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=nhxhzkj0woi4dowz_rv_ogldlt2ejdjqvsu2f4 gnmseijqwmp4rzna-1ptvpz8ylnaurccznbgqc45uj)>
to: "david wilcock" <david@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=6ty0jzrszo2qiwdnqypbgrprfins1ouyqubo8k z_wriuaz9vgl2kotvl0nwsrwtbfcnuogmm3rrqlpvyo6bh)>
sent: thursday, november 14, 2002 10:53 am
subject: re: [asc2k] moneu

david,
this is going to be long please bear with me. i
apologize for knee jerk reactions. i have that
tendency the best that i can do for over reacting is
to sincerely apologize. i am under great pressure
right now that has been ongoing for some time. i need
this group and the messages to help me help myself and
others. that's why i joined and was led back to ra i
know that. i've been in a dark night of the soul for
along time, and have come along way in the past few
weeks i can't even believe it sometimes. i "owe" much
of that to what i receive here.

to be perfectly honest i am writing with tears
streaming down my face. i joined the list out of a
desire to become a more spiritual person so that i can
in turn lend a hand to my fellow 3d beings. i guess i
took such offense, and not just for myself, but for
many of us who are struggling to stay alive. and, for
the past couple of years that's what i've been doing.
i hear "you create your own reality" so i've
endeavored to find out what i can do change the bad
into the good. i truly "felt" almost attacked by the
words that you posted and in listing those who
contributed like it was a contest to gain your
attention or favor. i'm sure that's not the message
you were sending as sometimes the printed word does
not inject tone or nature. that's just what i
"heard".

dw: no contest - just transparency. if we're a team then everyone should
know the basic status of the team. i will admit that it was rather shocking
to realize that i was this vulnerable financially in the wake of a request
for assistance. it was made all the more ironic by the fact that someone
accuses us of being a cult - one of the key definitions of a cult is that
people give over their life savings to a cult, something i have no desire
for anyone to do... as i said, the average per person was less than the
change under your car seat.

i could send a dollar that's not problem.

dw: i understand - and most people would probably feel embarrassed to send a
small donation so nothing happens. perhaps a credit gateway on the website
would enable more small donations to occur.

my computer
is really the only extra i have and that's because
it's my husband's and not mine (he's a computer tech).
btw, the hotel i'm in is not all that nice, at least
it's in a good area of town. i'm having health
problems so is my son. i don't know what to do to
overcome these sometimes. i am told i can heal myself
and my situation. but, edgar cayce died young, jane
roberts had ongoing health problems, so is that just a
lesson in life? to endure the pain and problems and
carry on and have faith?

dw: as i said, i feel the lightworkers are experiencing common problems in
advance - and my own extreme illness and having to keep working seems to be
a metaphor of what will be a more common situation.

i would be more than happy to help out, it's no
problem and i enjoy doing so! i just felt shamed and
humiliated because you only received such a small
amount. i am probably the least selfish person you
will ever meet, and probably my problems are a great
deal because of this.

dw: i recognize from social psychology that a part of what happened here was
the "spectator effect" as it is called, where a person in a crowd is fatally
wounded and everyone thinks someone else has obviously called the ambulance
already, and thus the person dies since no one comes. no one of those people
is responsible, but rather it is the overall groupthink that kicks in.
mainly i wanted to make the statement that, "when you think others will
obviously answer my requests for assistance since i'm obviously in trouble,
think again." thankfully, after huntsville i'll have enough to work on
writing for two worry-free months.

>i try so hard to stay focused, remain positive, and
keep the love that makes the world go round a part of
my every action. but, sometimes, i can't take
anymore. i know i know, i should have waited,
breathed and thought before posting. or, simply asked
you personally. guess it was that straw and the camel
thing. let me "decompress" for awhile and i'll try
and gather my wits. i do truly and honestly beleive
in what you do david. guess if i didn't really care
then words would not have wounded me. sorry, maybe
it's just a bad day for me.
blessings,
karen
please feel free to post to the group, i can't see
anymore to type.

dw: well, here we are. thanks for your honesty - it sounds like you've made
a very powerful and important shift in yourself.

i also thank all those of you have emailed me privately on this matter, as
your words have helped me not to feel completely alienated. the general
consensus is that i'm still more easily seen as a leader than as a team
player, and that since i have this magical connection to higher beings (when
my attitude is good... the most they could help me with recently was getting
me to cough uncontrollably when my tone got negative :) that i am a
manifestation machine in my own right, and therefore need not be worried
about. my idea has always been that if i were not so broke, i would get a
lot more done and everyone would benefit from that, even if the donation
itself was small.

i do know that if i don't get these books done soon then my efforts may be
in vain, as things really won't get moving until people can buy it in the
bookstore. so that's what my focus is going to be for the next 2-3 months,
and thankfully i'm funded enough now to do it. of course, if anyone wants to
make a donation at this time, it will help me to have a higher-quality diet
while i work, et cetera.

i do thank all of your for your support in the vibrational sense. i think
your prayers for me while i was in japan were definitely of assistance.

peace be with you -

- david