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[Tony P.]

http://ascension2000.com/ra-section4.htm
ra: we came among you to aid you about 11,000 years ago to aid you
but our efforts toward service were distorted. our desire is to
eliminate as far as possible the distortions caused by those
misreading our information. the one being of the creation is like a
body. would one ignore a pain in the leg? (b1, 139)

let me comment on that above. specifically, the part where he says "a
pain in the leg". even though ra is from another density, one that
doesn't really use words, i will still say this. he is referring to
us as his legs. i know we are lower in density than he is. but i can
take that as he is saying he cannot live without us. that is the key
point i am trying to make. he cannot live without us. cause what
person can easily live without their leg they were born with? it's
like higher densities need us. i just got that concept kind of, in
the past 20 minutes. it just hit me, i guess. does anyone else see it
this way? and yes, this probably sounds a little silly too.

[Chris Hamilton]

tony p. says:
it's like higher densities need us. i just got that concept kind of, in the past
20 minutes. it just hit me, i guess. does anyone else see it this way? and yes,
this probably sounds a little silly too.
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i don't think it sounds silly at all. ra also says that 3rd density is the pivot
point of all densities. first and second densities don't have self-awareness.
3rd density does and this creates free will actions. these decisions affect
vibrations at all levels of density. as we are all one anyway, we are actually
experiencing this as one although we as humans have a very difficult time seeing
it that way. i think you made a very good observation tony. chris





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[Tony P.]

i think ra said something about free will didn't always exist. it was
created so people could choose between positive and negative i think

> i don't think it sounds silly at all. ra also says that 3rd density
is the pivot point of all densities. first and second densities don't
have self-awareness. 3rd density does and this creates free will
actions. these decisions affect vibrations at all levels of density.
as we are all one anyway, we are actually experiencing this as one
although we as humans have a very difficult time seeing it that way.
i think you made a very good observation tony. chris

[Chris Hamilton]

tony :i think ra said something about free will didn't always exist. it was
created so people could choose between positive and negative i think
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what ra said was that certain logos (suns) chose whether or not they wanted to
have free will, and some did not. our particular sun chose free will. ra said
"that the logoi always conceived of themselves as offering free will to the
sub-logoi in their care." ra does differentiate between polarity in a mechanical
sense and choice sense when ra talks about the beginning of our galactic
evolution. ra states that "there was polarity in the sense of the mover and
moved. there was no polarity in the sense of service-to-self and
service-to-others." (both bk iv, 78) so, it was up to each logos to offer free
will and from free will. chris





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[sol72us]

--- in asc2k@y..., "chris hamilton" <chris.hamilton2@v...> wrote:
> tony :i think ra said something about free will didn't always
exist. it was created so people could choose between positive and
negative i think
> ______________
>
> what ra said was that certain logos (suns) chose whether or not
they wanted to have free will, and some did not. our particular sun
chose free will. ra said "that the logoi always conceived of
themselves as offering free will to the sub-logoi in their care." ra
does differentiate between polarity in a mechanical sense and choice
sense when ra talks about the beginning of our galactic evolution. ra
states that "there was polarity in the sense of the mover and moved.
there was no polarity in the sense of service-to-self and service-to-
others." (both bk iv, 78) so, it was up to each logos to offer free
will and from free will. chris
>
>
>
maybe phi-pi is one logoi and phi-pi-phi represents another
logoi, and we here on earth as a mixing pot of sorts. is
that a possibility? the preponderance of phi-pi-phi on mars
and egypt could indicate some sort of colonization on earth
from mars. free willingly, pat

[Chris Hamilton]

pat writes:
maybe phi-pi is one logoi and phi-pi-phi represents another
logoi, and we here on earth as a mixing pot of sorts. is
that a possibility? the preponderance of phi-pi-phi on mars
and egypt could indicate some sort of colonization on earth
from mars. free willingly, pat
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imho, i think that your phi-pi spirals are vibrations that we can't normally see
in 3d, but thru your graphing techniques and other means, manifest as these
spirals. in other words, all vibrations when graphed like that will manifest as
a phi-pi in some aspect. it's just a guess. i'm not rj :) chris





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[sol72us]

--- in asc2k@y..., "chris hamilton" <chris.hamilton2@v...> wrote:

> imho, i think that your phi-pi spirals are vibrations that we can't
normally see in 3d, but thru your graphing techniques and other
means, manifest as these spirals. in other words, all vibrations when
graphed like that will manifest as a phi-pi in some aspect. it's just
a guess. i'm not rj :) chris
>
>
nice idea, that these spirals are just symptoms
of some invisible ether vibration mechanism.
vaugely remember rod said the theory was that
the shape of a galaxy may indicate it's level of
evolution. maybe like all things, logos change.
maybe that is a component of our shift: a logos
change, like music played to new scales. pat

[Tarzan]

from: robin ramage
[mailto:asciilight@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=pwbnmcz8xdcytgommmizeuicksqrd5rugrhxfs an92adhq7ijdtulenxpsc6a8cpq6na6dqxvt24obisaa)]
robin: ra uses the analogy of a pain in the
leg to show us that we are all parts of the
same body ...
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good analysis, robin. i commend tony for
taking a shot at this.

i'd like to add that the symbology of the
legs also represents that in the 3-d reality,
we, as developing selves, learn our "legs" in
our individual recognition of our selves.
like a baby using one's legs to make the
profound breakthrough from being four-legged
to being a two-legged, we humans learn our
"legs" in self-development on the our
individual paths towards making the ultimate
choices between the sts and sto paths.

the legs also represents ra's past
development in it's own development in their
3-d phase on venus while we who are humans
now were still animals, birds and critters in
our 2-d phase.

sometimes we make those essential choices
kicking and screaming. ;-)

~seth


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[Robin Ramage]

ra: we came among you to aid you about 11,000 years ago to aid you but our
efforts toward service were distorted. our desire is to eliminate as far as
possible the distortions caused by those misreading our information. the one
being of the creation is like a body. would one ignore a pain in the leg? (b1,
139)

tony: let me comment on that above. specifically, the part where he says "a pain
in the leg". even though ra is from another density, one that doesn't really use
words, i will still say this. he is referring to us as his legs. i know we are
lower in density than he is. but i can take that as he is saying he cannot live
without us. that is the key point i am trying to make. he cannot live without
us. cause what person can easily live without their leg they were born with?
it's like higher densities need us. i just got that concept kind of, in the past
20 minutes. it just hit me, i guess. does anyone else see it this way? and yes,
this probably sounds a little silly too.

robin: ra uses the analogy of a pain in the leg to show us that we are all parts
of the same body, that body representing all of creation. just as the body is
interconnected on many levels, so is every entity in creation. the pain in the
leg represents the information that was given to us by ra and subsequently
distorted. since we are all part of the same body ra cannot ignore the result of
it's interaction with us and desires to eliminate as far as possible the
distortions caused by those misreading ra's information. i dont really believe
that the higher densities depend on us humans to perpetuate their existence but
i do believe in the significance of all parts of the creation... every entity
has its purpose.

anyway, i hope my interpretation may help here...

robin.




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[Robin Ramage]

tony: i believe 3rd density wouldn't survive with the higher densities,
well, at least 6th, to protect us from destroying ourselves possibly.

robin: definately tony, such is the nature of the octave that 8 densities
are needed for the octave to fundamentally exist.

seth: i commend tony for taking a shot at this.

yes, same here!

robin.

[Tony P.]

i'm probably saying what a lot of people are wondering. when david
wilcock will post next. of course, he's busy. and it's understandable
he can't keep posting very often, especially for minor things that
aren't a huge deal. but one thing that can be done is this, and i am
not demanding it. instead of saying what will happen in the future
and stuff, if permitted explain what exactly can be done to stop the
events in our own power. what needs to be done in addition to slow
progression of the power of praying.