Age old question?

[East Sun]

how can you best try to decipher between disinformation and genuine information? there is so much ?info. coming from every angle and everyone writing a book on the "subject" claiming knowledge of all, that it is nearly impossible to know who is legitimate, no matter how you try to check them out.
i'm asking a question that i know has no definite answer but what have you done and found?
share.............

[aqcheryl]

how can you best try to decipher between disinformation and genuine information? there is so much ?info. coming from every angle and everyone writing a book on the "subject" claiming knowledge of all, that it is nearly impossible to know who is legitimate, no matter how you try to check them out.
i'm asking a question that i know has no definite answer but what have you done and found?
share.............

i find the best possible way is to look within and trust your instinct and inner guidance. we inherently know whats wrong and whats right - we dont need others to tell us or guide us on this.

when you look for facts on things you hear, it depends what you are looking for. for example if you hear about things happening in the states - laws and such, you can go to the source and read the house bills that are up for voting, and discern for yourself what they mean.

[East Sun]

i find the best possible way is to look within and trust your instinct and inner guidance. we inherently know whats wrong and whats right - we dont need others to tell us or guide us on this.

when you look for facts on things you hear, it depends what you are looking for. for example if you hear about things happening in the states - laws and such, you can go to the source and read the house bills that are up for voting, and discern for yourself what they mean.

thanks aqcheryl,
when it comes to spiritual things it is often not possible to check materially.
often i have thought someone was really on to something great but later was turned off by some statement they made. or someone else will come along and contradict them with something that could be believable. i'm beginning to think that they all are supposing, guessing, over analyzing and believing truly what they say.
at the same time there seems to be a lot of phenomena coming together.
we will find out probably very soon.

[metaman]

pendulum dowsing asking the higher self for yes and no answers about the truthfulness of information has worked well for me.

[aqcheryl]

thanks aqcheryl,
when it comes to spiritual things it is often not possible to check materially.
often i have thought someone was really on to something great but later was turned off by some statement they made. or someone else will come along and contradict them with something that could be believable. i'm beginning to think that they all are supposing, guessing, over analyzing and believing truly what they say.
at the same time there seems to be a lot of phenomena coming together.
we will find out probably very soon.

thats why its so important for us to search within. this is where faith comes in. i think its wise to question of course, and never to follow blindly - we need to question, its how we learn.

but its also important to remember that no one here knows 100% truth - or have full understanding. so if they say or do something that is questionable to your beliefs, it shouldnt discredit the rest of what they say.

for example, theres another person who speaks on similar lines as david, but he believes in nibiru and reptilians, and because of that people question everything he says.
personally, i dont know what to think of reptilians. they may exist, or they may not. something doesnt feel right about their existence when i seek the answer within, but i cant pinpoint it.
but just because this other person believes in them, doesnt mean i should discredit the rest of what he says.

you just have to take things with a grain of salt, and not blindly follow another persons point of view. after all, its fueled by their interpretation of what the significance means. they are pulling from universal wisdom, and we can too, so we should then look within.

you know... my friend blogged something awhile back that resonates strongly here.

"im not wishy-washy in my beliefs, its just that i may have come across new information that can sway my mind"

now david w. has said this before, that if everyone could come together and work together, its quite possible to figure this out. im paraphrasing here, i dont remember his exact quote...

and now i have this vision of a grand council :)
long white robes and beards haha

i wonder if the old man in white robes david is seeing, is himself from the future? hmmmmm....

[East Sun]

thats why its so important for us to search within. this is where faith comes in. i think its wise to question of course, and never to follow blindly - we need to question, its how we learn.

but its also important to remember that no one here knows 100% truth - or have full understanding. so if they say or do something that is questionable to your beliefs, it shouldnt discredit the rest of what they say.

for example, theres another person who speaks on similar lines as david, but he believes in nibiru and reptilians, and because of that people question everything he says.
personally, i dont know what to think of reptilians. they may exist, or they may not. something doesnt feel right about their existence when i seek the answer within, but i cant pinpoint it.
but just because this other person believes in them, doesnt mean i should discredit the rest of what he says.

you just have to take things with a grain of salt, and not blindly follow another persons point of view. after all, its fueled by their interpretation of what the significance means. they are pulling from universal wisdom, and we can too, so we should then look within.

you know... my friend blogged something awhile back that resonates strongly here.

"im not wishy-washy in my beliefs, its just that i may have come across new information that can sway my mind"

now david w. has said this before, that if everyone could come together and work together, its quite possible to figure this out. im paraphrasing here, i dont remember his exact quote...

and now i have this vision of a grand council :)
long white robes and beards haha

i wonder if the old man in white robes david is seeing, is himself from the future? hmmmmm....

have you watched the camalot tapes? a link from here to utube gets you there. there are all these guys that talk as if they know without a doubt that "know" about aliens or nibiru. one guy says he worked where a reptilian and "greys," were working.
i do believe that there are "flying saucers" space ships that visit here and will become more visible soon. also the crop circles seem real and not something we could do, unless some manipulators are trying to steer us in a way that will keep us occupied so we won't find "other" things that are happening. that is pure speculation and not likely. but i try to cover all possibilities. gets frusterating sometimes. it's great to have this place to come to.
a white robed entity ..... seems kind of familiar. lol.

[FooSnik]

there is the goose bump factor. sometimes in the past when i am reading a strong bit of truth and having a revelation then i get chills and goose bumps all over. spidey sense :d

but i know what you mean. i have had to totally change my attitude. i never allow myself to think i have everything figured out anymore. i just keep waiting for the next wave of info to rearrange my whole scheme.

[aqcheryl]

have you watched the camalot tapes? a link from here to utube gets you there. there are all these guys that talk as if they know without a doubt that "know" about aliens or nibiru. one guy says he worked where a reptilian and "greys," were working.
i do believe that there are "flying saucers" space ships that visit here and will become more visible soon. also the crop circles seem real and not something we could do, unless some manipulators are trying to steer us in a way that will keep us occupied so we won't find "other" things that are happening. that is pure speculation and not likely. but i try to cover all possibilities. gets frusterating sometimes. it's great to have this place to come to.
a white robed entity ..... seems kind of familiar. lol.

only the ones where they interview david. i never said i didnt believe in aliens lol i said reptilians. and even david says hes yet to come across solid anything to convince him of their existence either.
i do believe in aliens lol

[Katarina57]

hi..at one time i just stopped reading for a long while because the confusion and information overload made me absolutely weary..but then it just dawned on me that there are a gazillion truths, but as a human walking on earth i may never get to experience them, but do know that they are within me. "it very well could be" is my new mantra, and find joy in finding people with different truths and belief systems.(and most often find a direct line of energy that links to my belief) i do trust my intuition as to what is right for me at this time, but never discount what may be right or truth for someone else. i am in my fifties..and think back to how much my views have changed. i don't think i was wrong in what i thought before, but feel it was a stepping stone in the learning process. it is no accident that we are bombarded with new information,(whether we believe this information or not) and no mistake that you were there to accept it. i say enjoy the possibility!!..and the amazing time we live in!

[aqcheryl]

hi..at one time i just stopped reading for a long while because the confusion and information overload made me absolutely weary..but then it just dawned on me that there are a gazillion truths, but as a human walking on earth i may never get to experience them, but do know that they are within me. "it very well could be" is my new mantra, and find joy in finding people with different truths and belief systems.(and most often find a direct line of energy that links to my belief) i do trust my intuition as to what is right for me at this time, but never discount what may be right or truth for someone else. i am in my fifties..and think back to how much my views have changed. i don't think i was wrong in what i thought before, but feel it was a stepping stone in the learning process. it is no accident that we are bombarded with new information,(whether we believe this information or not) and no mistake that you were there to accept it. i say enjoy the possibility!!..and the amazing time we live in!


i completely agree - there is only so much we can handle, and we have been taught to slow our thinking at a point its hard to assimilate all the information at once.

it doesnt mean the information is not truth, its just that we were not ready to receive it at the time.

i believe in keeping an open mind on everything for this matter. i dont put it in practice that just because we have no proof, is the answer to it not existing.

there was never proof of giant squids in the past, for there was no proof - and lo and behold, yes there were out there. i do believe that much in mythology and legend has truth at its core. it may have become convoluted in its passage through the centuries (think of the telephone game), but again, at its core, there is the seed of truth.

for example, i do believe for example that dragons existed. life always finds a way and i doubt that all of the dinosaurs were killed off. dragons breathe fire - which means they have to be able to intake gases that would be fatal to those breathing oxygen - and so they are probably a dinosaur that quickly evolved to take in the atmospheric changes.

[Katarina57]

..aqcheryl,
i am smiling..after i wrote the post you replied to, i logged out of divine cosmos..then became totally engrossed in finding this saying..this little quip i had heard once..for some reason i felt it appropriate to the thread even though logically it made no sense..i never found the exact ditty but i will give you the gist of it..it goes something like this (keep in mind that i just now read your post)

*do not mess with the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and tasty with ketchup..hhhmm..

the divine cosmos has a sense of humor!;)

i love those little aha moments when it is evident that we are all connected!!!

[aqcheryl]

..aqcheryl,
i am smiling..after i wrote the post you replied to, i logged out of divine cosmos..then became totally engrossed in finding this saying..this little quip i had heard once..for some reason i felt it appropriate to the thread even though logically it made no sense..i never found the exact ditty but i will give you the gist of it..it goes something like this (keep in mind that i just now read your post)

*do not mess with the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and tasty with ketchup..hhhmm..

the divine cosmos has a sense of humor!;)

i love those little aha moments when it is evident that we are all connected!!!


now to really boggle our minds - were you looking for this because of what i said (aware on a cosmic level) or did i write what i had in anticipation of what you were searching.. and it just happened that i was first to post as you searched? lol

i will say that i was going to touch up on vampires, was even typing out the word, but then backspaced and went with dragons.

i agree with you this is funny! and on this forum of all lol

[Zenith]

hi aqcheryl,

i think fire breathing dragons were the mythological face given to the occasional human who comes along and achieves harmony with the essence of their being (or inner sun).
i doubt you can have casual conversations with people like this when they are in such transcendental states. imagine, it would be quite shocking to have someone speaking on the physical plane and to simultaneously feel their words within yourself. you would probably be feeling pretty toasty after that chat:d.
i think also this is where the flying thing comes from as those present would be feeling it in their higher energy centres.

just my thoughts,or perhaps i read it somewhere. it all becomes a blur after a while:).


it's not that there's nothing there, it's that there's nothing here!

[aqcheryl]

hi aqcheryl,

i think fire breathing dragons were the mythological face given to the occasional human who comes along and achieves harmony with the essence of their being (or inner sun).
i doubt you can have casual conversations with people like this when they are in such transcendental states. imagine, it would be quite shocking to have someone speaking on the physical plane and to simultaneously feel their words within yourself. you would probably be feeling pretty toasty after that chat:d.
i think also this is where the flying thing comes from as those present would be feeling it in their higher energy centres.

just my thoughts,or perhaps i read it somewhere. it all becomes a blur after a while:).


it's not that there's nothing there, it's that there's nothing here!

i could see that :)
its also possible that the answer is both.
you know how the greeks personified "the gods" by attributing each to a specific characteristic of the human mindset.

or even a simpler analogy when we refer to someone as one thing, and that 'thing' is actually an animal. like, "you silly goose" or "hes a great bear of a man" etc. in those cases you have both the personification, and yet also the real creature.

[Zenith]

i could see that.
it's also possible the answer is neither and it's one of "gods" random brain farts (smile).

[weboy78]

sitchin said that nibiru is not approacing now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nju1wouh6mu&feature=player_embedded

[InBetweenPlace]

here is how i can discern the truth of things, no matter where i am, because it takes no tools.

become aware of how you feel just under your skin, from the center of your chest (heart chakra) to just below your belly button (2nd chakra - forgot what it's called). this area encompasses 3 chakras (including the solar plexus area).

this is a visceral - body - feeling, not an emotion.

when you hear or think something that is true, the feeling will present upwards, toward your heart, and feel like gladness or expansion. it will feel light, not dense.

when you hear or think something that is not true, the feeling will be contraction, usually from the solar plexus downward, but not always.

the key here is to notice whether you feel lifted or contracted in this region of your body.

the more you practice, the better you will become at noticing the feeling at all, and then noticing what type of feeling it is.

if what you are testing is wishful thinking, you will know, because the feeling will either not cooperate, or you will feel a type of nausea or sick feeling. (you can also feel nausea or a sick feeling with the contraction feeling for falseness.)

because i have developed my facilitation with these feelings, my higher self now uses them for "yes" or "no."

also, the more you use it, you may notice that you open up in the front, and light escapes from inside of you. if this happens, go with it and enjoy the experience!

much love,

jc

[mwr1026]

in general, truth is liberating.
in general, untruth, whether deceit or misinformation, generates anxiety, fear, and resistance.
the question i ask myself is, "can this information be used to manipulate and control?"
if the answer is no, then it may well be true. if the answer is yes, then it is suspect, even if factually correct.

[capt.libra]

any more i believe that all can be true for others yet i will live in my own reality. it doesn't mean that their reality has to be the same. thus no reason to feel discent.
namaste'

[Psion 3-K]

@ east sun

two contradictory truths can exist in the same physical space, in terms of what we decide to become. this (probably) does not apply as much to the laws of physics because then everything would be a mess. established religion has never seen this fact and that is the reason why people are always assured that their way is the one true way. if something is true for you, though, it will do several key things...


it will make you feel inner harmony
it will help you achieve your goals in life
it will allow you to interact with others in a way which causes no interference
there will be no doubt in your mind that this is what you are


this is all in terms of what kind of divinity you choose to embody. personally, i have taken beliefs from everything from kabballah to wicanism and even christianity. i have tailor made a set of beliefs which reflects as 'true' in my life as it as only ever helped my circumstances. what i have chosen as my spiritual energetic foundation is my expression of divinity and it is akin to dna, being totally unique to me.

do not subscribe to a rigorously enforced set of beliefs as this will cause you disharmony. the reason is because usually the established religions will give you a certain degree of peace but will shoot you down with a set of consequences if you do not obey. as you begin to fully flesh out everything that works for you, you will learn about what is known as the law of pragmatism; if system of belief/behavior continually produces positive results, then it is real and true. after you get further removed from the radical contradictory beliefs imposed by modern religion, you will see that the things you know and love about yourself can never be infringed upon by anyone else...

i'll end by saying that there is no true meaning to life unless there is a consciousness to give it one. and that is something that you have to do yourself. experience is why we are as that is that can be had.

[morphonius821]

i can't help but feel there is a majority of people who, with respect to them accepting a more expanded spiritual"4d" world view etc..., teeter on a "knife edge" that is the thin line between open hearted acceptance of the wider "super physical reality" (blind faith) and just plain incredulity towards such matters (cynisism).

i.e. there is part of them that is not "fool" enough to be old and have egg on their face for wasting their lives in folly and daydream.

and that for this majority this whole process of searching for truth is mainly an accademic pesuit of blindly searching for a valid culmination to their pet theories which best alleviate their soul doubt.

(and i guess im speaking from my own experience here.)
and i feel that the main reason for this delema is that most people are searching outside of themselves for this validation.

and for these people they will as such never be able to make the "big leap" until (for example) ufos are "outed" or an astral plane imaging (clairvoyant imaging) camera is invented etc or some such..... and this is splashed across the front pages etc and the old world view is totally disassembled. effectively giving them permission to invest in such ideas.

i.e. they want to simply wake up transformed into beings of light when they refuse to so much as sit for even 5 minutes a day and attempt to quieten their whirling minds to the extent that this light may of itself start to become apparent.

it smells allot like most people would rather "cop out"... then do the inner work necessary to participate in the elevation of spiritual conciousness really required for their own efforts to make meaningful contributions to the aim of humanity as a whole reaching some kind of critical mass.

instead they hope that the efforts of others in this regard might in this manner drag them over "the line" thus assuring them a totally free ride...

read less... and spend this time instead on some real inner work... perhaps....(meditation etc)

any thoughts???