How do you love yourself? [Archive] - Divine Cosmos Discussions

aqcheryl

03-23-2009, 09:45 PM

david mentioned somewhere (i cant remember where i heard it or id get the quote) that if you do not love yourself then you tend to have the negative things happen in your life. if you beat yourself down, then things will come to beat you down.

so my question is, how do you love yourself?

for example, i feel on a spiritual level, i can... but i cant seem to cut the weight of the physical from this. all my life ive struggled with weight, and even though im the first person to tell anyone that your physical vessel is not who you are... much less anyone who has an issue with how another looks are the ones that truly have the problem, not you...

but still... im a bit hypocritical because i see myself and its anything but love i feel. and its like a catch 22 because i have a strong suspicion that this is why its so much a struggle to lose it. as david said, you attract what you feel.

i think we all have this in some issue or another. some people drink, and some people push others away.

so how do we shed physical insecurities, so that we can fully love ourselves without being tied down to the physical constraints?

i also remember david saying that if you cant love yourself, youll probably be stagnant when the ascension comes... so you might not immediately move into the 4th dimension. i dont want to be stuck in third just because i hate what i see. i dont think anyone else does either.

i thought maybe by talking about ideas how to get past these, we could figure out the solution, as it seems to me regardless of our individual problems in the physical... these rather seem to by symptoms instead of the cause - the cause being tied to the physical.

Purple Dragon

03-23-2009, 10:35 PM

i think we all have this in some issue or another.

i've often ask myself where i stand in my whole enlightenment complex. i think it is only natural to have doubts about ourselves, and i think you are right when you say everyone has one issue or another, or possibly even a few!

one issue i have with myself is that sometimes i feel like i come across as condescending and sometimes just rude, because i don't always think about what i say before it comes out. which can go even go back to the post in the indigo discussion where we can get intolerant when dealing with ignorance and/or stupidity.

to combat my issue, i try to readjust my consciousness and remember who i really am, which isn't that little annoying voice inside your head telling you all those negative thoughts that you really don't believe when you think about it. it was said well in a book i read, that we are the awareness, not the mind. and if we can listen to ourselves, we can realize that it's not really us that's saying all that negative garbage. it's kind of our programming i think, maybe it's even negative vibes being sent out by the illuminati?

so how do we shed physical insecurities, so that we can fully love ourselves without being tied down to the physical constraints?

i think this is one of the things that we are learning on this journey. to love indiscriminately, as much ourselves as others. to remember that we are all one, we are all learning different aspects of ourselves and we have all chosen the life we live, for whatever reason that may be. but we need to remember, that we are one. and we do all love each other. but remembering is the hard part isn't it?

overall though, i think forums like this help the most, to be able to put your thoughts down how you like, and be able to help each other with our problems so we can conquer our fears (or at least understand them) which puts us one step closer to our ultimate goal of eternal love. i can't imagine our journey will be an easy one, but if we can help each other, that always helps.

conundrum

03-23-2009, 10:37 PM

every one and thing around you is a reflection of your self if you don't like what you see its some thing in your self that you don't like the feeling is in you what you see around you and experience are like triggers which bring those feelings to the surface the heart is a tough one
to crack especially if its been shut down for a long time as you have to work through all biases likes dislikes fears that form in your ego that makes you blind and separate from others.

faith

03-23-2009, 10:41 PM

hi aqcheryl, am a newbie like you and this is the first recent post i've read and guess what? it's very relevant to me! i'm often hard pressed to draw the line between self analysis trying to rid myself of negative thought patterns and i think i'm often a bit hard on myself too, especially with the pressure of not wanting to do another round in 3d:=(
anyway re: weight gain, if its any help i read that when you grow spiritually you often put on weight (think buddha) because you expand to fit the 'bigger' you and also because its hungry work all this extra thinking about life and ascension.
also i believe big is beautiful too as long as you're healthy and besides there's a lot worse addictions than food. i also think its important not to let the fashionable body-image of corporate interests dictate your ideal size. my advice from when i was a bit obsessed with food was to tell myself if i really want it i'll have it later......take away the 'forbidden' factor and as david recommends: "always forgive yourself" as i'm sure you're quick to do to others :-) hope i didn't ramble too much, hope to see u on the other side.

aqcheryl

03-24-2009, 02:22 AM

i definitely agree that negative thoughts are not our own - they go against who we are. i think its easier to shed them when its strictly a spiritual based issue. the ones where it involves the outer vessel, is a bit harder. for example, i can go weeks being happy, because i dont really put myself in a position to have it reminded to me im not thin. but then one day ill actually look in that mirror past a 'passing glance' and i feel disgust. and i know that what you feel about yourself projects, so if i feel this way, then ill attract others who would think that way. but its a vicious circle because then that makes me feel that way! lol
expanding like buddha is not my goal! rofl!

i should clarify that i dont fall into the stigma of being the thinnest is the best. i really dont. i want to be overweight a little - because i see these tiny women - my best friend is one of them, and its so hard for me to see them not breaking with a simple hug. lol i want some weight, i just dont want the weight i have. for me... i was always a healthy overweight, but in 2005 we were in a car accident... subsequently i got pneumonia and since then my lungs are taxed very easily doing simple things... so over a progression of time i fell into unhealthy because its not easy. its this i struggle with personally.

Ali Quadir

03-24-2009, 07:48 AM

in my humble opinion. the unhappiness with our selves in terms of weight or other conditions has to do with a discrepancy between perception and super ego expectations.

in short. we'd all be perfectly happy if our body feels good and the world told us over and over again that our current body image is the ideal body image.

there are two sources in our society that speak about the ideal body weight. the doctor. who knows that too much fat will clog up arteries and reduce your health. he's smart. he knows what he's talking about.

in this case trust your doctor. if you're healthy you're good. if you're not.. go and exercise untill you are healthy...

the other source is the stereo type fashion designer. as you know, the guy is most likely gay. he thinks the ideal body is the body of a young male. so he picks models that resemble that ideal.. straight lines and a shortage of curves. don't get me wrong gays are cool! but i don't take legal advice from my baker. why would i listen to a homosexual when he tells me what the ideal female body should look like?

yet that is exactly what is happening. and 99% of the female population is left feeling severely inadequate. i'm happy you didn't fall for that trap :) so many girls enter a livelong struggle in an impossible attempt to become some ideal that most men don't even appreciate half as much as they imagine because well, the world is filled with people doing the same.

in the end it's about finding your mate, not about becoming number 60 million in a long row of unhappy people doing the same thing and being only mediocre at it.

Rhonda

03-24-2009, 10:05 AM

hello aqcheryl, you may not remember this fully, but when you entered life, you loved yourself and all that is very much . it is the simple truth for all of us.

so my question is, how do you love yourself?

~ remember ~

loving yourself, is loving god or the creator within you
it is that simple
for you are god and one with the creator
the creator does not care about measurments that man places on thee
the creator believes in us and our strength to be "i am that i am"
the creator has chose to experience life through you as you are or as you are not.
judgement, doubt are experiences to overcome. for they are not who you are, only reactions to non-loving feelings. "conditions" we all create
when you can fully love yoursef, you are fully living your real, pure beautiful self. your confidences in self is great and holds the strength that is you.
again, loving yourself, is loving the god you are
loving another is loving the god they are
with "no conditions"

this is all that our creator whats for each of us. to be real to ourselfs and to another. "real" is love "love" is all that is

~ remember ~

mmariebored

03-24-2009, 01:34 PM

david mentioned somewhere (i cant remember where i heard it or id get the quote) that if you do not love yourself then you tend to have the negative things happen in your life. if you beat yourself down, then things will come to beat you down....

...as david said, you attract what you feel.
i think that's it, it really isn't so much that we deserve the beat-down as it is we invite it. and just when we think we have it down to a science of how not to invite it, we forget, or a whole 'nother lesson presents itself, of which we were completely unprepared.

it stinks that life can't be peaches and roses all the time, but this planet seems to have been built for people clausterphobic in their comfort zones.

ask yourself how happy you'd be if everything were as perfect as you desperately desire for it to be, and think of it in terms of infinity.

j_stubler

03-24-2009, 02:14 PM

imho ...

i think a lot of us use the word love so often and for so many things that we tend to forget what it really means. think of love as a feeling of compassion. you may not be happy with something such as your looks or your current state of being --- but you can still feel compassionate toward it. you don't have to "like" someone to feel compassion towards them. what we are after here is not merely love -- but total unconditional love. to feel compassion for even the least of us .... does this make any sense?

Purple Dragon

03-24-2009, 10:40 PM

i definitely agree that negative thoughts are not our own - they go against who we are. i think its easier to shed them when its strictly a spiritual based issue. the ones where it involves the outer vessel, is a bit harder. for example, i can go weeks being happy, because i dont really put myself in a position to have it reminded to me im not thin.

the thing i would suggest is that you concentrate on how you feel when you are happy. if you look in the mirror and don't like what you see, you need to figure out why you feel that way. i think it was gregg braden that said there are only 2 main emotions, love and fear. so if you aren't feeling love when you are looking, think of it as an emotion branching off fear. ask yourself if you having something to fear. you may find out that you do and then you may know what you need to conquer, or you may find that you don't fear anything, so you should just go on being happy.

i always try to look my fear's in the face and ask them why they are there? what's the point? almost like you can ask yourself what your dream means. our main purpose here is to learn, so whatever obstacles your entity has decided to set up in your life, they are there to learn from. our problem is just figuring out what the lesson we need to learn is. and a lot of the time it seems to be how we love something that we aren't happy with. learn to be happy. and it always sounds easier than it is doesn't it?

aqcheryl

03-24-2009, 11:14 PM

thanks everyone for the responses. i most specially agree with the statement that once you think youv got it down, something happens to drag you back. thats how its been in my life.
for example, i grew up in a family where i was considered the black sheep - anytime someone did something wrong - the finger was pointed at me. i was a boisterous child but even back then i didnt like lying. that didnt mean i was believed when i was telling the truth though. lol
also, my side of the family is on the 'wrong' side of the family. weve never known what its like to live middle class really, not that i complain - i know what its like to be thankful for the things i have - unlike the other side of my family... my aunt and uncle who are always self service.
for example my grandfather recently passed away - unfortunately i was not able to make it to the funeral because i was sick, but my friends, and my sister and mother came back reporting how my uncle went up during the eulogy and basically promoted his own business.
thats a tangent though... the reason i bring up the low income part is because ive especially found that when youre at that level (and i have witnessed it to others outside my family, such as friends) its even more harder to get out of it. i think this also is because those trying to rule the world continuously send out the negativity so that its there in abundance for us to 'invite' it.

as far as the rest, that is indeed the question... how do you do it. not why you should, or what the goal is. we know this, we know we are supposed to love ourselves.

its not a matter of those reasons. its a matter of how do you do it. what techniques do some employ to love themselves regardless? because its not so simple as stating the why's. and the issue also is not so much the spirit - for example i love "me", who i am, spiritually.

its the physical that i dont.. and how do you tell yourself to love that part. because you have to love all of you in order to be complete.

also one person mentioned 'if you dont like something, change it' - i have to disagree with this. its never that simple, and its not so easy as people think if they have never been in the same position. and also, i do know that the point is to love yourself no matter what, so that too is not the solution. any change must be in perception, not in 'flaw'. otherwise youll end up forever chasing dreams, instead of living them.

i want to live mine, regardless of size, or habit.

lol ... i started this thread for us all to discuss the general concept of how do we love ourselves, not how does aqcheryl love herself lol a "forum" for us to let it all hang out in the open.

so heres my ideas... we all have individual ways of seeing things, and if we post how we see other scenarios, then the person who is faced with that specific issue can learn a new perspective and not be fighting their battles alone.

for example, purple dragon mentioned the issue of condescending and rude. i completely know of this, i really have trouble with "stupid" people as well. what i have found that helps me, is that:
a) i dont put myself in that environment if i can avoid it
b) if i cant avoid the environment, but i can avoid the response, i do that
c) if i cant avoid the response, i try to turn into a learning experience for both of us. for example of things people do that is considered "stupid" is not using common sense. ignorance is not the same thing, it just means that person has not learned yet, and when i look for that difference i find theres a change in response (hence learning for me) vs someone who should already know better.
if they do know better, then i assimilate their condition - i had to train myself to remember to do this. for example, is the person very very tired, does it seem they are having a bad day, are there thoughts elsewhere?
if its none of that, and they really should know better i tend to practice the concept that rather than give them fish, i teach them how to fish... instead of giving the answer, ill ask questions so that they have to use their noggins and practice their common sense. (cause i really hate it when people expect others to do everything for them, including think). it may require patience but i just remember im saving time in the long run lol
d) if they themselves are being rude or condescending, im still working on this one... because i have a confrontational personality. if youre rude to me im in your face kind of thing. and if that part of me is activated, i tend to get vicious on a verbal level and dont let them off the hook until i deem they have learned their lesson.
as much as anyone could say they deserved it for attaching me first, i dont like this side of me because its a loss of control, and its also not who i am, i dont like it, and talk about inviting negative karma. we are supposed to love them in return... its not often these things happen, but when they do i take every chance i get to try to teach myself how to respond differently (its hard when they keep attacking though).

perhaps the reason i cannot see or understand how to love myself unconditionally is because i only know of my own perspective/way of thinking, and cant see how to look differently.

aqcheryl

03-25-2009, 04:48 AM

the thing i would suggest is that you concentrate on how you feel when you are happy. if you look in the mirror and don't like what you see, you need to figure out why you feel that way. i think it was gregg braden that said there are only 2 main emotions, love and fear. so if you aren't feeling love when you are looking, think of it as an emotion branching off fear. ask yourself if you having something to fear. you may find out that you do and then you may know what you need to conquer, or you may find that you don't fear anything, so you should just go on being happy.

i always try to look my fear's in the face and ask them why they are there? what's the point? almost like you can ask yourself what your dream means. our main purpose here is to learn, so whatever obstacles your entity has decided to set up in your life, they are there to learn from. our problem is just figuring out what the lesson we need to learn is. and a lot of the time it seems to be how we love something that we aren't happy with. learn to be happy. and it always sounds easier than it is doesn't it?

thanks, that is a stem. the fear i think is that it deals with someone wanting to be with you - that they wouldnt see past the physical to the person inside... and would not be around long enough to learn who the person inside is. fear that judgment that you are less than equal, which leads to unacceptance. a dear friend taught me in the past how to be strong, but she also taught me to have a 'youre not worth my time if you think that of me' attitude. but... if you push people aside like that, youre pretty much going to be alone in all aspects of your life.

Rhonda

03-25-2009, 10:48 AM

hello aqcheryl, you are walking this path of self discovery. in my own experience, when i first challenge myself with the question as you have, "how do you love myself" and fully, so many ideas came forward as i compared myself with others and more confussion set in.

as i continue to ask this question with myself, i started to recognize my own actions that i had complete control over and what i was doing to myself that was not loving. a few are judging myself, doubt is a big one, also, putting others in front of my needs. i recognize that i didn't even respect my own judgement and thus my thoughts and actions that flow were not fully me. this had to stop and i had to take control of my life and not let life that control of me.

with the years and years of external and internal experiences of life shaping me, i had to begin breaking down some of these that didn't feel right or didn't allow me to "trust" myself and thus "think" for myself. the "fear" of judgement or non-approval would take hold. by recognizing these feelings in myself, i started to see the full effects of placing "conditions" on love and how these conditions can push or pull you into fear, judgement, doubting rather than acceptance, support and caring about self and others.

when your feelings are explored, you began to recognize where they took root. are we not our worst critics. in your sharing, you have shared many early stories of your life that seem to have shaped your view today. you may still be looking for an external approval from these past experiences. by searching for yourself these answers, you are coming full circle and back to today and who you have become and where you want to go. the answer will come, stories like this and the others will help in tiggering answers for you, but the work is continual.

a few first steps, may i suggest, is to stop judging yourself so hard. being it your physcial condition, your family etc., and began by accepting you as you are. this will help with the work of doubting your thoughts, actions and beliefs about life and you. what i wrote earlier is true for me. i actually saw this fully. as i said, love youself because in realty you are loving your godself or god. same is true, do not judge yourself or your life, because as you do, you are judging god or your godself.

also study conditional vs non-conditional. this can be a challenge to break down, but it can be the root to many issues that we seek to understand.

i have also come to realized that our experiences (good or bad) are so valid in pulling out our real selfs so that we can began to live for god, for our selfs and be the strong, beautiful life that was put here to begin with. we find that peace within ourselfs and extend it out to the world.

we are all equal in the love we truly are. self master and find that love you are.

blessings

conundrum

03-25-2009, 07:30 PM

a few first steps, may i suggest, is to stop judging yourself so hard. being it your physcial condition, your family etc., and began by accepting you as you are. this will help with the work of doubting your thoughts, actions and beliefs about life and you. what i wrote earlier is true for me. i actually saw this fully. as i said, love youself because in realty you are loving your godself or god. same is true, do not judge yourself or your life, because as you do, you are judging god or your godself.

love your self instead of judge yourself not easy if you get off to a rough start especially when the language you inherit is in itself setup that way.

aqcheryl

03-26-2009, 02:54 AM

rhonda - thank you for what you wrote.
you know, i have analyzed much in the past, and one thing that always gets me is that although these issues occurred for me in the past - they never upset me, and they still dont. i have always had trouble with emotion - the times i do feel them are only when its extreme. unless you count laughter as one cause i like to laugh.

overall i tend to be disassociated from these feelings and most of the time this causes me to not care about certain things.

i mention in the past what happened not so much because it is the easiest way to explain how things keep happening even seemingly on a cosmic level to tell me im worthless.

most of the time i walk around fine and dandy, honestly. i dont think im worthless, etc. but - and ive even been advised that this seems to follow me around in my past lives as well, in some form or another ive constantly been beaten down.

so even though my family experiences in this life havent affected me, they are just notable evidence.... i have come to suspect that the true reason i feel this sense of worthlessness stems from past lives.

i dont know if this is following me from unresolved bad karma, or not that but instead the purpose of my lesson. and i do have past recollections of this feeling, that are not related to this life.

i used to see the physical problem as one more separate issue that proves this... but now im starting to see that maybe the physical is a symptom of all of this. is it possible then that once i figure out how to break free of this cycle, it should repel the weight in a sense that it sheds off more easily.

i always notice that its much harder to lose weight no matter what you do to lose it, and i suspect its because we are attracting it spiritually.

what you said makes sense, i am not loving myself by judging myself. now the trick is delving into the realm of belief...if i tell myself i love everything about me including physical, i have to believe it.

Rhonda

03-26-2009, 08:28 AM

aqcheryl, i think you are on a great path to heal any old wounds (kama) and be the strong, beautiful soul that you know you truly are already. btw, i beleive we all are clearing, healing many facets of our many lifes. as conundrum said, it is not easy to reach this cross road and then continue on the journey of self discovery to find the answers to who you are, who you are not and were you wish to go in this life.

i must say, you are already finding your own answers to your questions as your comments relayed. you might even laugh at the little things that have become habits :) that really no longer serve you today.

continue to seek and you will find.

it is not the destination, but the journey. for life is a journey for us all.

peace 2u

TMS

03-26-2009, 05:16 PM

aqcheryl:
there is a lot of great advice being given here and it sounds like you
do have good insight on the issue. i just want to comment because i too have gone thru what you are going thru and maybe my experience can help you. for me i had to start by forgiving myself. i forgive myself for ... overeating, being overweight, being ugly, making myself throw-up etc, etc, etc. everything i hated about myself and every thing i have done to others
that i felt guilty about i had to and continually have to forgive.
i think sometimes it is harder to forgive ourselves than it is to
forgive others. i finally got to the point where i was just tired
of hating myself and making myself guilty. i finally after somewhat
of an emotional breakdown (over other stuff as well that i won't go
into here), thru a lot of meditation, forgiveness and spiritual help
started to love myself and in so doing it became easier and more natural to love others. but that did not make the weight come off. i would hear the
voice in my head still telling me i was overweight, and i would just remind myself that i am ok just the way i am. i was accepting myself the way
i was. i finally stopped obsessing about it. then out of the blue a friend asked me if i wanted to join a weight loss program with her and i thought what the heck so i did. i was actually skeptical that it would work but was willing to give it a try. and lo and behold it started coming off it took me about 10 months to get it all off and i was ecstatic along the way. i kept it off for about a year and then it started creeping back, with it off i started obsessing again about keeping it off i started to get mad at myself again, which i now think is the same trap i had been in before i started.
i then gave up on the program tried a few more times on the program each time giving up again. i told myself i am simply not going to obsess about even though i didn't like what it was doing to my health. i decided i was not going to spend the rest of my life here thinking about it, worrying about it and obsessing over it. the thoughts would return and i eventually realized that these thoughts are simply a distraction by the ego to keep my mind occupied. they are a distraction from the truth - that i am a loving and complete creation of god. it is a trick of the ego to keep you from the truth. and i do believe that we do share and access thoughts from one another but once you know this you accept responsibility for your thoughts because you don't have to let in what you don't want. that i believe is the key to empowerment and freedom. i am not a victim of someone else's thoughts(which precedes actions) i won't use that as an excuse. as an observation i realize there is a lot of social conditioning involved with not only weight loss but body obsession it is constantly in your face, you simply have to stop looking at it and making judgments about it whether it is good or bad or desirable. as an ending, i'll let you know that after about 3 years of staying overweight i am now back on the plan as of january it has taken me over 3 months to lose 10 lbs. i will not allow myself to be happy nor sad about it, it is simply something i am doing now like balancing my checkbook it just works
better this way for my health. i so look forward to 4d where i think this will be over and done with but in the meantime i am choosing how i will spend my time and thoughts.

this ended up being much longer than i expected hope it may have some use to you!

t.

Purple Dragon

03-26-2009, 07:21 PM

i decided i was not going to spend the rest of my life here thinking about it, worrying about it and obsessing over it. the thoughts would return and i eventually realized that these thoughts are simply a distraction by the ego to keep my mind occupied. they are a distraction from the truth - that i am a loving and complete creation of god. it is a trick of the ego to keep you from the truth.

this is an amazing point, the ego is a very powerful force but it is also one we can ignore if we point our mind to it. whether it says to us to tell someone they are useless or whether is it telling us one more candy won't hurt. if we can listen to it and understand where it is coming from, we can react how we want to react, not how it wants us to react.

listen to the creator, not the ego.

aqcheryl

03-27-2009, 03:25 AM

i agree that its a two step process. i dont think it will just come off by changing my way of looking at myself - no, i have to change the way i think and also physically work it off.
i spend most of my time actually not thinking about it, or obsessing much over it. its only when its in my face, keeping me from being who i am, that i end up being forced to notice it and then i deal with the hating part.

have any of you seen the show on style network called ruby? slightly smaller, but thats near the level i deal with. but unlike ruby who is such a beautiful person, shes a bit stronger. im strong in practically everything in my life but this - my problem is that i got to a point where you give up and give up caring. you try for so long you end up faced with a 'nothing i do is right' mentality and eventually you give up and let it win.

im trying to get out of that. every little thing i do never seems to work, so thats why i began to question theres got to be something more to this than just the physical focus (diet and exercise) - that it has to be spiritual as well.

i know that before they started tainting our food products, no matter what you ate people had a hard time gaining it. it wasnt until they started adding all this stuff. so people cant point fingers and assume that someone overweight doesnt eat a healthy diet. its in the fruits and vegetables - genetically modified to take out nutrients and basically do nothing for us. except make us all think we are eating healthy. but i pull something david said in 2012 enigma, that although he was talking about electromagnetic warfare, it cant happen to us if we control our consciousness and empower ourselves. im paraphrasing there. but i think its the same thing here... no matter what they do to the food, you have to utilize the power of your consciousness to make the changes.

if someone wants to send a beam of light my way and change my dna so that the fat just melts off lol sign me up.

but i know one thing, as much as i anticipate 4d - we still dont have exact guarantee the shift into 4d will happen 2012, much less when it does if we make the shift ourselves. i want to make that shift, and so i definitely have to learn to love myself, and by loving myself not have a give up mentality in regards to the weight as well. so thats where i am.

truth37421

03-27-2009, 06:51 AM

Ali Quadir

03-27-2009, 06:57 AM

aqcheryl

03-27-2009, 08:35 AM

that is interesting what you said there....that ascension to the 4d is dependent on the amount of love you have for yourself? that is you don't love every aspect of yourself, you can't ascend? i don't know if i know of a single person that loves every aspect of themselves...and i think that if anything, most people are their own worst critics...at least with me, i think i am much harder on myself than i would ever be on someone else. i remember the loo saying that you needed to be at least 51% oriented at sto. i do strive for helping others and being nonjudgemental, trying to conciously practice being a "light in the darkness". i don't know if i, like you, have gotten over the total hump of loving every aspect of myself. i just hadn't heard before that ascension was dependent upon it. like you, i also desire to be able to ascend, and i try my best, but now i am doubtful that i ever will be good enough if we are going to be held to that high of a standard.

its based on something i heard david say - which was that if we dont love ourselves, we may indeed find ourselves not progressing. and i want to progress.
perhaps its a question of do you love yourself more than you hate yourself - perhaps that is where the 51% comes in. i dont know the answer to that though, for me. i agree we are our own worst critics - i love everyone else unconditionally... but maybe im devaluing that love because if i judge myself to not be good enough to others, perhaps thats a form of not trusting them to love me unconditionally. which leads to more "pushing away"

aqcheryl

03-27-2009, 08:59 AM

here i am trying to understand the situation. personally i'm just chubby so i have to rely on your insights. i hear references to guilt and self loathing. i've heard the suggestion in the past that fat is a kind of shield between the self and the world. do you guys think there might be something to this view?

on the one hand i believe that weight and mental attitude go hand in hand. yet my personal experiments with changing my weight by changing my attitude don't seem to have any effects at all. i'm a very steady weight.

in reality, we are meant to be a little chubby. theres no such thing as having a flat stomach and still being healthy, if you are a woman. our bodies are meant to have some weight because its where it pulls the fat to feed babies both in, and later out, of the womb. so when its just a little chubby, its possible that this is why its such a fight to get it off.

but when its more than, and unhealthy, the question is what is attracting it. where is the difference between those who can easily shed it, and those who spend their whole lives trying to and never succeeding? this is where im thinking there must be a spiritual convergence, if you will.

when we are negative we attract negative things. if you worry about bills, you find them continuing to come, even though the worry is spiritual level, the actual bills you attract are physical... so is it perhaps the same ideal with weight. if we worry about it, if we are negative about it, we attract it. because theres no such thing as "i want" or "i dont want" in the universe, its only what you see. so it doesnt matter if you focus continuously i dont want debt, all it sees is debt, and so you attract what you put out.
so is it possible by being negative about weight, we attract our bodies absorbing and keeping them. that is my question.

what can you guys do with food in the states? i understand the food market in the us is poisoned for example with msg. but what if you make your food from the basics?

the only way i can think of is to grow your own food, and even then be careful you buy seeds that are not hybrids - because they are genetically modified to not reproduce, and also not create the same nutrients.
i know theres a company called heirloom seeds that sells natural seeds. but the problem is when you live in cities, you dont have access to land to grow your own food. theres that hindrance - and its not easy living in the states either. theres no way to pack up and move.

and in los angeles, they had an organic farm for vegetables etc., and the city under our mayor just went and plowed it all down, just recently. this was peoples livelihood and source of natural foods.

you could perhaps try a farmers market, but the trick is being able to get to them as they are few and far between. i believe that is the same thing as you refer to as alternative market.

the second issue is that when they work steadily at keeping us all busy and tainting food because they want us to gain weight and have no energy - thats another obstacle even when you find some land. so they dont make it easy for us to be healthy here. but if they did, the pharmaceuticals would lose money, as well as the diet industry.

you do not have to worry about food being canned. it is true that canned food contains less vitamins and such. but canned food is also usually easier to digest.

its also probably healthier to have less vitamins, then to have tainted food to have no vitamins.

do not worry about getting the right ingredients. from this europeans point of view you americans are full of health ideas about basic food groups and such. i get dizzy in the head with the stuff you need to know to create a healthy american meal.

lol actually there is much that americans are painted as, but what you see is put out there by the corporations. commercials sicken me because nobody truly lives like they portray them. its actually few and far between that you find people really having those rules about how to prepare meals. the simple fact is just to eat healthy food, make sure you get your nutrients. thats how most of us think anyways...

i will send you my light and encode the instructions in my dna that are responsible for my weight. however... keep in mind that my friends don't call me gandalf. ;)

thank you, and lol, i know. you have to be receptive to receiving it, not just it being sent out, so its both parties. thats where loving yourself also comes in, if you dont love yourself in regards to that, will you accept it in the subconscious? that is what im working on. it will take both gandalf and dumbledore i think. lol

FooSnik

03-27-2009, 09:08 AM

self discipline and self control.

taking care of myself and telling myself, "no!" when i need too.

just like when you are raising kids, part of loving them is telling them when they are out of line.

Ali Quadir

03-27-2009, 07:37 PM

in reality, we are meant to be a little chubby. theres no such thing as having a flat stomach and still being healthy, if you are a woman. our bodies are meant to have some weight because its where it pulls the fat to feed babies both in, and later out, of the womb. so when its just a little chubby, its possible that this is why its such a fight to get it off.
i know i'm speaking for a lot of males when i say a little chubby is just the way we like it.

but when its more than, and unhealthy, the question is what is attracting it. where is the difference between those who can easily shed it, and those who spend their whole lives trying to and never succeeding? this is where im thinking there must be a spiritual convergence, if you will.
do you have any ideas about this convergence? what is the nature of it?

when we are negative we attract negative things. if you worry about bills, you find them continuing to come, even though the worry is spiritual level, the actual bills you attract are physical... so is it perhaps the same ideal with weight. if we worry about it, if we are negative about it, we attract it. because theres no such thing as "i want" or "i dont want" in the universe, its only what you see. so it doesnt matter if you focus continuously i dont want debt, all it sees is debt, and so you attract what you put out.
so is it possible by being negative about weight, we attract our bodies absorbing and keeping them. that is my question.
the problem with this reasoning is of course that it's a negative spiral. how could evolution program us to keep going the way we're going? why would there not be interrupts to break us out of the cycle? and why does thinking along other lines not help? the answer "because we're entrenched in our negativity" is not good enough imho, there has to be a bigger reason.

i've been involved in the occult for what, 20 years now. and i've seen miracles, ranging from ghosts to humans expressing their magical powers indeed. but what i've seen does not compare to what is supposedly out there. i'm thrilled to be able to do something i should not be able to do according to modern science. but for crying out loud, my whole being shouts that i should be able to do this a thousand fold. losing weight should not be a struggle it should be a choice.

the second issue is that when they work steadily at keeping us all busy and tainting food because they want us to gain weight and have no energy - thats another obstacle even when you find some land. so they dont make it easy for us to be healthy here. but if they did, the pharmaceuticals would lose money, as well as the diet industry.
true. but this works on the principle of large numbers. if you're not acting average you can probably escape from the net. how does my immigrant solution sound? don't buy at wallmarts, but at quadir's ;) finest foods, for you very special price :p

lol actually there is much that americans are painted as, but what you see is put out there by the corporations. commercials sicken me because nobody truly lives like they portray them. its actually few and far between that you find people really having those rules about how to prepare meals. the simple fact is just to eat healthy food, make sure you get your nutrients. thats how most of us think anyways...
even unhealthy food has nutrients :) that's what i meant. in my humble opinion we're working from the premise that if you don't make an effort to eat healthy you'll die... however, we evolved for millions of years with the concept of food. without adding "healthy" in front of it.

which included rotting mammoths and long winters with only meat. or months on the same type of food. the luxury today of being able to get literally everything you desire in or out of season is unprecedented. in my opinion just varying is enough you don't need to eat healthy as long as you eat a varied meal. it will automatically be healthy.

thank you, and lol, i know. you have to be receptive to receiving it, not just it being sent out, so its both parties. thats where loving yourself also comes in, if you dont love yourself in regards to that, will you accept it in the subconscious? that is what im working on. it will take both gandalf and dumbledore i think. lol

gandalf and dumbledore? lol, there goes the planet :)

conundrum

03-27-2009, 11:11 PM

funny enough in the bible it says not to worry about what you eat and low and behold the majority of people don't in the western world at least, yet there is a preoccupation with our weight and appearances.
some people whom have pets feed them clean food and water to the best of there knowledge say horses for example if you don't feed it right exercise and condition it properly
you end up having a horse that has a bloated stomach that sags in the middle it may even end up with joint problem arthritis ect they end up standing around munching on grass all day like sheep and they aren't very active.

farmers purchase salt blocks consisting of molasses ect for there cattle and sheep to lick or they used to as they know it contains minerals and trace elements that the soil no longer contains due to years of taking out and not putting back except for chemical fertilizers that is we sure love those chemicals yummy :d
the farmer knows he will get a better price for a healthy looking animal compared to a mineral deficient sickly looking animal well they used to i am not so sure these days.

the problem with this reasoning is of course that it's a negative spiral. how could evolution program us to keep going the way we're going? why would there not be interrupts to break us out of the cycle? and why does thinking along other lines not help? the answer "because we're entrenched in our negativity" is not good enough imho, there has to be a bigger reason.

because when you are negative or have learned to hate your self you continually beat your self up or reject yourself some one will walk by and say hi there fat dude your disgusting and you stink then you will feel as though you are a reject and that you are not of any value so in response you swing past mcdonalds and order a super size meal with a bucket of coke go home and watch television because you believed the guy .. mean while you get subjected marketing that advertisers junk food and soda drinks ect so that you have a choice in regards to what crap you can put in your mouth the next time you feel of little worth or value.

service to self is service to others service to others is service to self

why cant we move forward because we learned or were taught to hate parts of ourselves
the rejection of pain masked by fear an infinity loop.
we have been domesticated moooo

aqcheryl

03-28-2009, 02:20 AM

do you have any ideas about this convergence? what is the nature of it?

just that although your physical forms are vessels for spirit, they must still work together.

the problem with this reasoning is of course that it's a negative spiral. how could evolution program us to keep going the way we're going? why would there not be interrupts to break us out of the cycle? and why does thinking along other lines not help? the answer "because we're entrenched in our negativity" is not good enough imho, there has to be a bigger reason.

no, thats not what im saying. im saying that if we are negative, we attract negative things. to break the cycle, we have to not be negative. and so my musing is, if it applies in all other aspects of our lives (for one example the bills thing) then my question is wouldnt it be logical that it can apply to the weight issue as well.

this theory does indeed work - the law of attraction - in many other aspects i have found it to work. negative things happen if i find myself fearing something, and positive things happen when i focus positively on them. it may be a reach, but im hoping indeed that this will apply here.

i've been involved in the occult for what, 20 years now. and i've seen miracles, ranging from ghosts to humans expressing their magical powers indeed. but what i've seen does not compare to what is supposedly out there. i'm thrilled to be able to do something i should not be able to do according to modern science. but for crying out loud, my whole being shouts that i should be able to do this a thousand fold. losing weight should not be a struggle it should be a choice.

i agree, there is that feeling there - that we should be able to completely... well do what we are supposed to in the 4d ascension - the power of our consciousness can affect anything... in fact it should even project free energy. if only we tap into it and utilize it.
i have done alot of research about weight, and why it stays - and i have read that supposedly, our bodies are tricked into thinking it needs to store this weight. theres a doctor who created a cleansing program and then gave these shots and the weight just shed off these people supposedly. but the thing is, that had me thinking... would it really require physical fluids to tell your body to release... stop storing...? can we achieve this through our own consciousness... even if we are on the 3d level?

what is your meaning of occult? for example, if you mean interest in the paranormal, then im the same as you there. i always have since as far back as i can remember. in the past ive heard people say this is occult thinking... i do wonder if its a geographic difference.
on my spiritual journey finding who i am, and i freely tell anyone, i am a witch - im not wiccan, that is just another manmade religion set with rules. to me, a witch honors god/god consciousness/creator in all things, most especially in nature and the elements.
however, if you mean belonging to a group... im not the same lol ive always been solitary. many groups have been labeled occult like in a bad reference because of ignorance and misunderstanding of anything outside of their own beliefs - but personally theres only two sides to the story - regardless of your spiritual journey or the path you take - if it leads you to positive, to the creator, then no one should question. if it leads to negativity, then theres a question, because there is no honor in negative outcomes. only we can answer if our paths are taking us in whichever direction.

true. but this works on the principle of large numbers. if you're not acting average you can probably escape from the net. how does my immigrant solution sound? don't buy at wallmarts, but at quadir's ;) finest foods, for you very special price :p

you still need land lol
yeah.. there are walmarts everywhere, here. im not against business doing well that it can grow and expand - but i am against them doing it every two-five miles, and destroying other business in the process.

even unhealthy food has nutrients :) that's what i meant. in my humble opinion we're working from the premise that if you don't make an effort to eat healthy you'll die... however, we evolved for millions of years with the concept of food. without adding "healthy" in front of it.

exactly - there was no such thing as calories or transfats, carbohydrates, etc up until the last century - and the knowledge of these things has hindered us not helped us.

which included rotting mammoths and long winters with only meat. or months on the same type of food. the luxury today of being able to get literally everything you desire in or out of season is unprecedented. in my opinion just varying is enough you don't need to eat healthy as long as you eat a varied meal. it will automatically be healthy.

of course as long as its not all junk food. you know i see thin people eat junk food all the time and never gain - but they still end up having heart problems. but to me this is more proof that the stereotype that all overweight people do is eat junk food is off-base completely.
if that ideal was true, people would be growing constantly - but in reality most people struggling with weight are not.

gandalf and dumbledore? lol, there goes the planet :)[/quote]

FooSnik

03-28-2009, 10:45 AM

Ali Quadir

03-28-2009, 11:14 AM

no, thats not what im saying. im saying that if we are negative, we attract negative things. to break the cycle, we have to not be negative. and so my musing is, if it applies in all other aspects of our lives (for one example the bills thing) then my question is wouldnt it be logical that it can apply to the weight issue as well.

i understand. but is that really true? would negative things never happen to positive people?

this theory does indeed work - the law of attraction - in many other aspects i have found it to work. negative things happen if i find myself fearing something, and positive things happen when i focus positively on them. it may be a reach, but im hoping indeed that this will apply here.
i think it does. at least in a way. what i'm wondering about is the perceived lack of strength.

i agree, there is that feeling there - that we should be able to completely... well do what we are supposed to in the 4d ascension - the power of our consciousness can affect anything... in fact it should even project free energy. if only we tap into it and utilize it.
i have done alot of research about weight, and why it stays - and i have read that supposedly, our bodies are tricked into thinking it needs to store this weight. theres a doctor who created a cleansing program and then gave these shots and the weight just shed off these people supposedly. but the thing is, that had me thinking... would it really require physical fluids to tell your body to release... stop storing...? can we achieve this through our own consciousness... even if we are on the 3d level?
well it is absolutely certain that the amount you eat and the weight you gain are related but this does not explain everything. exactly like you say: some people don't gain weight no matter what they eat. others gain weight by looking at food.

let's think, there's a hidden variable. this is different per person. and it can be changed with these shots you mentioned. presumably this variable has a psychological component. what would that be.

what is your meaning of occult? for example, if you mean interest in the paranormal, then im the same as you there. i always have since as far back as i can remember. in the past ive heard people say this is occult thinking... i do wonder if its a geographic difference.
i guess you could call it that. i am technically part of the sufism group but that doesn't stop me from being a solo. :)

you still need land lol
the land is another continent. food also comes in by boat. ;) i'm not talking about starting a hypothetical grass roots grow your own movement. i'm saying "if you think the us food system is poisoning you. just buy from outside the us!"

FooSnik

03-28-2009, 05:43 PM

i understand. but is that really true? would negative things never happen to positive people?

i think it does. at least in a way. what i'm wondering about is the perceived lack of strength.

well it is absolutely certain that the amount you eat and the weight you gain are related but this does not explain everything. exactly like you say: some people don't gain weight no matter what they eat. others gain weight by looking at food.

let's think, there's a hidden variable. this is different per person. and it can be changed with these shots you mentioned. presumably this variable has a psychological component. what would that be.

i guess you could call it that. i am technically part of the sufism group but that doesn't stop me from being a solo. :)

the land is another continent. food also comes in by boat. ;) i'm not talking about starting a hypothetical grass roots grow your own movement. i'm saying "if you think the us food system is poisoning you. just buy from outside the us!"

i think people incarnate on this earth for one reason and that is to learn and grow. earth school is about hard knocks. i don't know a single person who doesn't have a crazy story about a damaging experience. that is why we are not allowed to be psychic. would we even do what we have to do to learn the lessons we have to learn if we could tell ahead of time how painful its gonna be?

he says i was such a bright ray of light, and i had allowed myself to grow dim. that's why i had to go back to earth school.

d: so you can make amends?

j: well, by understanding universal laws and love, i could gain my light back. it's easier to go through the earth school than to incarnate on other dimensions. it's quicker.

http://books.google.com/books?id=74-ppquthi0c&pg=pa102&dq=dolores+cannon+++%22he+says+i+was+such+a+bright +ray+of+light%22&ei=clxosyf0jykeygsfkodeca

aqcheryl

03-29-2009, 02:36 AM

i understand. but is that really true? would negative things never happen to positive people?

its true. but the thing is, we are constantly being tested, and its how we pass the test. theres many people who seem to be born lucky, you always see them never really have any strenuous problems, and they are the most positive people you know.
but its not easy, its not flipping a switch, if it was that easy we'd all know to do it. we have to overcome all the skepticism and doubt and fear, and some people go their whole lives never knowing how to accomplish that.
in fact, accomplishing it might be a bit like heading towards 4d.

well it is absolutely certain that the amount you eat and the weight you gain are related but this does not explain everything. exactly like you say: some people don't gain weight no matter what they eat. others gain weight by looking at food.

let's think, there's a hidden variable. this is different per person. and it can be changed with these shots you mentioned. presumably this variable has a psychological component. what would that be.

and thats where we are today lol what is it. i was reading how people can make things move with their consciousness, and if so, if i learned how to concentrate and focus like that, could i go inward and zap cells.
yesterday i tried focusing on sending energy to my ipod to make it turn down, just to see if i could... nope. lol i wanted to see if i could focus energy to do something in general.

the land is another continent. food also comes in by boat. ;) i'm not talking about starting a hypothetical grass roots grow your own movement. i'm saying "if you think the us food system is poisoning you. just buy from outside the us!"

lol actually, most of our food is from outside the us - and even now they are trying to pass bills to get rid of the farmer completely. [mods: if we could have some statistics on this cheryl, it is appreciated]

aqcheryl

03-29-2009, 02:45 AM

Ali Quadir

03-29-2009, 07:41 AM

i think people incarnate on this earth for one reason and that is to learn and grow. earth school is about hard knocks. i don't know a single person who doesn't have a crazy story about a damaging experience. that is why we are not allowed to be psychic. would we even do what we have to do to learn the lessons we have to learn if we could tell ahead of time how painful its gonna be?

i don't have a crazy experience that damaged me.. i only have crazy experiences that made me stronger and without them i would not be the thing i understand i chose to be. so now you know one person foosnik.

the only defining factor about how damaging an event is is our willingness to whine and feel victimized about it. i have made mistakes i have had my ego bruised and i have lost people. but i can truly say that upon inspection all pain i felt was superficial. nothing was consequential. i have lived in this savage garden. but i lost nothing that i did not find here first. there are no pages in my life i would like to remove.

i also did not come here to learn and grow. why would i come to a place where there are no real teachers and everyone is a learner. even our finest express only a fragment of the ageless wisdom that we ourselves possessed before entering in this place. no one told us to stop being psychic. there is no "they".. they is you. you decided this was the form you required. and you could not be this form if you had all your psychic abilities functioning on god level.

our inability to understand purpose on a greater level does not mean we can assume that this purpose revolves around us. that earth is our school. a similar belief would be that the sun revolves around the earth. in my opinion we can only assume we are working towards this purpose even in our ignorance.

i am a creature that came here on my own accord. i remember the choice. my reasons were not a karmic lesson to finalize or having to learn something. there is a purpose beyond my hedonistic enjoyments here and i feel it is worthy, but joy is the modus operandi. unless of course i am in the mood for the illusion of a valley of tears in which case i can always request it. i do not intend to do so.

i appreciate your choices foosnik.. you must do and believe exactly as your intuitions tell you. but that is your position. mine is mine. if my position was yours i would be you. and quite clearly... i am not.

namaste

FooSnik

03-29-2009, 11:47 AM

i don't have a crazy experience that damaged me.. i only have crazy experiences that made me stronger and without them i would not be the thing i understand i chose to be. so now you know one person foosnik.

the only defining factor about how damaging an event is is our willingness to whine and feel victimized about it. i have made mistakes i have had my ego bruised and i have lost people. but i can truly say that upon inspection all pain i felt was superficial. nothing was consequential. i have lived in this savage garden. but i lost nothing that i did not find here first. there are no pages in my life i would like to remove.

i also did not come here to learn and grow. why would i come to a place where there are no real teachers and everyone is a learner. even our finest express only a fragment of the ageless wisdom that we ourselves possessed before entering in this place. no one told us to stop being psychic. there is no "they".. they is you. you decided this was the form you required. and you could not be this form if you had all your psychic abilities functioning on god level.

our inability to understand purpose on a greater level does not mean we can assume that this purpose revolves around us. that earth is our school. a similar belief would be that the sun revolves around the earth. in my opinion we can only assume we are working towards this purpose even in our ignorance.

i am a creature that came here on my own accord. i remember the choice. my reasons were not a karmic lesson to finalize or having to learn something. there is a purpose beyond my hedonistic enjoyments here and i feel it is worthy, but joy is the modus operandi. unless of course i am in the mood for the illusion of a valley of tears in which case i can always request it. i do not intend to do so.

i appreciate your choices foosnik.. you must do and believe exactly as your intuitions tell you. but that is your position. mine is mine. if my position was yours i would be you. and quite clearly... i am not.

namaste

first off that was really powerful and well said.

the only defining factor about how damaging an event is is our willingness to whine and feel victimized about it.

it's not about whining it's about expression. getting it out. people's secrets that are kept hidden and the fear of letting them out can bring down the strongest of us. rip us to shreds. it just sits in there and festers and blocks us from really experiencing this joy.

i just want people to talk about truth. the good, the bad and the ugly. it's about not feeling like you are bad for having these experiences.

talk, shine, live, love, be yourself! i don't care. i am the most nonjudgmental person in the world.

i am not sure you understand what these kind of secrets and dark places can do to a person. i have seen it so much. it is all over my family.

i know it seems a weird and kind of round about way, to try to get people to be less afraid, by talking about violence and injustice. but it needs to be talked about.

then the weight comes off and we are free. then the devil is banished and the monkey is off our backs. talk about it and don't be judgemental. then healing starts.

maybe this message is not for you. i think it is more for those people who are still in shackles from a traumatic event.

like ptsd (post traumatic stress disorder)

FooSnik

03-29-2009, 11:56 AM

our lessons here are to learn and value love, because the higher you are dimension-wise the less you feel. you cannot know what love is without knowing its opposite, and without knowing love you cannot respect and value others.

exactly and what i see here, in this little world of ours, is so much of the opposite.

don't get me wrong people. i understand the universal laws. i get it.

i am here to give license to the people who are struggling. to talk about it. it's ok! i love you no matter what!

once you talk it heals you. i have learned both the extreme sides of what you can feel like here, in this dimension.

this is for the ones who are stuck in a violent loop of secrets and self loathing. it doesn't have to be like that. trust me. it doesn't.

AllyKat

03-29-2009, 07:04 PM

thanks, foosnik, for coming out and saying that. i'm at the point where i "see" that it doesn't have to be like that but am having a hard time turning knowledge into wisdom and living it. this roller coaster ride of ups and downs has been very intense. my question is how do you properly deal with the negative emotions and feelings of self-dislike? i know stuffing them inside is not the answer. i read a book that talked about just feeling what you have to feel in the moment with out analyzing or judging. i've been practicing this technique and it has helped although its difficult to stay present enough to observe my emotions when i'm in the midst of experiencing them

i struggle with loving my physical self but also my personality really gets me down sometimes. i don't like the way i interact with others a lot of the time. i don't have too much of a problem loving others and seeing us all as one its more like i have a hard time expressing myself properly i'm in my head a lot so i come across as "spacey" and often lack common sense because i tend to over think simple things.

i find it hard to live my truth and make the outer like the inner and the inner like the outer. i've been feeling these wonderful loving 4d vibes in my head, my heart, my being and i know i'm loving others and treating others well i'm able to express that part of it it's more of an intellectual/personal expression difficulty. i am smart though i can understand nassim haramein's physics theorys for example but i'm sure there are people out there who think i"m a complete moron because of some of the airheaded stuff i've done.

i think i think too deep into everything and also take life waaay too seriously and then get down on myself for it. i need to laugh more. meh. :-p

FooSnik

03-29-2009, 09:36 PM

yeah, allycat, you sound a lot like me. i think myself into circles sometimes so bad that i can't even sleep. and being sleep deprived is really not good for the nervous type of person. then paranoia and schizophrenic type behaviors start coming out.

i am willing to guess that you, like me, are very sensitive and empathic. for the more sensitive people here on this earth it can be very hard at times. so many sensitive people get into drugs, alcohol and other negative behaviors to escape what they are feeling. but i truly believe that the sensitive ones are strong souls to be able to come here and live at this time on earth.

i am much better than i was when i was a kid. it does get better with age.

i just think that some of the lessons here on earth are very hard. and to tell someone to just think happy thoughts during a time like that is just, in my opinion, not realistic. part of spirituality here on earth seems to be suffering.

i do think i was meant to have these experiences so that i can fully understand and empathize with the people feeling these things.

kind of like you said, i know that i am an extremely compassionate person but sometimes i can't seem to extend myself that same courtesy.

well allycat, keep your head up and know that you are loved. it sounds like you are a very powerful soul and you are having a hard time handling your own power. in fact i think everyone here on these forums are powerful souls. that's why i like it here so much.

peace and love,
foo :)

Ali Quadir

03-30-2009, 01:59 AM

thank you foosnik for elaborating on the subject. i now have a deeper understanding of where you are coming from.

i certainly do not suggest we should deny our pain. on the other hand i don't think it's wise to get hung up on it. if you look at pain, the small component is the event that caused it and the large component of pain is our own interpretation. some people experience a thing and keep interpreting it along the most negative lines. even to the point where our insecurities lead us to conclude all sort of meaning that was not there in the original event. other people experience what could be considered a damaging thing and they see beauty in it.

the difference is the helplessness we feel when facing the pain. on the one hand we can consider all the things that don't go our way as reasons why we cannot be ourselves. or we could see them as reasons to be ourselves. the perfection being found in the imperfection.

the movie "the thin red line" has a quote: "one man looks at a dying bird and thinks there's nothing but unanswered pain. that death's got the final word, it's laughing at him. another man sees that same bird, feels the glory, feels something smiling through it. "

you could check out this movie. basically the hero is stuck in the most terrible of places. yet he never stops being a divine interpretation of himself.

ok another one : "who were you that i lived with, walked with? the brother, the friend? strife and love, darkness and light--are they the workings of one mind, features of the same face? oh my soul. let me be in you now. look out through my eyes. look out at the things you made. all things shining."

like i said, i never lost anything i did not find first. when all is said and done i will have lost all that i have here now. but i will be as i started, and i will carry with me the billions of small and big experiences that i created here. from that perspective even a life of suffering with one beautifull sunset is a gift. (one that we could have worked on harder, but still precious.)

conundrum

03-30-2009, 04:06 AM

i am a creature that came here on my own accord.

i can not remember that but i have been told that on numerous occasions and boy do i sulk when i am reminded :o

i do think i was meant to have these experiences so that i can fully understand and empathize with the people feeling these things.

i recently learned that one what a doozy

yeah, allycat, you sound a lot like me. i think myself into circles sometimes so bad that i can't even sleep. and being sleep deprived is really not good for the nervous type of person. then paranoia and schizophrenic type behaviors start coming out.

learned that one as well couldn't laugh or cry just had to let it happen just sat there shivering while i looked out in complete and utter horror my mind was reduced to yes no no yes which makes communication very difficult i totally couldn't commit to either .

it was like my mind was a roll of toilet paper that got pulled to hard and it all ended up being a big pile on the floor try taking one step forward then one step back it doesn't matter how many times you do it you don't seem to get any ware .

this is for the ones who are stuck in a violent loop of secrets and self loathing. it doesn't have to be like that. trust me. it doesn't.

you still need to be careful people are preloaded with an attack mechanism when you are honest its like you have to prep them first because the psychological shock is to intense for them.

i am still having issues in regards to self preservation me me me .

truth37421

03-30-2009, 04:53 AM

i am willing to guess that you, like me, are very sensitive and empathic. for the more sensitive people here on this earth it can be very hard at times. so many sensitive people get into drugs, alcohol and other negative behaviors to escape what they are feeling. but i truly believe that the sensitive ones are strong souls to be able to come here and live at this time on earth.

i just think that some of the lessons here on earth are very hard. and to tell someone to just think happy thoughts during a time like that is just, in my opinion, not realistic. part of spirituality here on earth seems to be suffering.

i do think i was meant to have these experiences so that i can fully understand and empathize with the people feeling these things.

kind of like you said, i know that i am an extremely compassionate person but sometimes i can't seem to extend myself that same courtesy.

well allycat, keep your head up and know that you are loved. it sounds like you are a very powerful soul and you are having a hard time handling your own power. in fact i think everyone here on these forums are powerful souls. that's why i like it here so much.

peace and love,
foo :)

never truer words have been spoken imo....wow...its like you channeled me or something!!! lol

aqcheryl

03-30-2009, 06:13 AM

theres something to be said for the defining emotions of "reality". sometimes we forget that this world is of our own-making, and so we let other outside forces control who, or what we are - where, or how long it takes us to grow.

one of the most important things to remember above all is that we are unique. we are individuals, and we are separate from each other in this.

i do not believe the law of one is stating all or nothing. there is no black and white here. its not saying we are all exactly the same.

i look at it much like this... we are brothers and sisters and we come from the same parents (creator) but we are still individuals. we are all connected by our parent, and by our love.

but we were given free will and that is what creates our individual personalities and who we are. it allows us to think differently and process things differently. it allows us to be unique - because that is what makes all of us so very special.

that is what makes us see just how special we are.

bad things happen, and they are merely tests, and we must remember that. its not a matter of ignoring it and pretending the emotions stemmed from them dont exist. part of the learning process, of strengthening ones self is to listen to these emotions.

it is our choices in how we respond to these experiences that shape who we become. do we choose to learn from the experience? accept it and face it, take it in for what it is, and then heal ourselves by forgiveness? do we do this? or do we take the easy way out, and victimize ourselves by looking elsewhere. "well so and so did this to me" is not the true path of learning. the true path is "this happened, and i must forgive both the person who did this, and myself, and grow and learn from the experience".

allykat, i am very much like you... its in my nature to over-analyze... but you know what? thats how my mind works, and thats how i process information. i dont listen to others who say its a bad thing, because its not. its who we are. it is a gift - we all are given gifts - and some of us are given the ability to analyze situations. because it helps us problem-solve. it helps us see things from anothers perspective. cherish this, because its important.

foosnik, i do agree much with what you say in regards to giving focus to the emotions - all of them. again, this is what helps us grow. this is how we learn our lessons and move on. if we do not feel, we do not learn. we do not grow. and some feelings that are deemed negative, are not. some feelings that are deemed positive, are not. it is we who decide what is right for us as individuals.

and part of acceptance is understanding that we are not perfect, and we never will be here. meaning, we recognize that we will have more challenges arise, and that we will grow further by facing them, and preparing ourselves for them. that includes, as you say, facing the negative things that have happened to us.

we must strive for honesty in all of our actions, not just to others, but to ourselves as well.

Ali Quadir

03-30-2009, 09:45 AM

never truer words have been spoken imo....wow...its like you channeled me or something!!! lol

one could do worse than channel truth ;)

you still need to be careful people are preloaded with an attack mechanism when you are honest its like you have to prep them first because the psychological shock is to intense for them.

it helps me to realize that these attack mechanisms have apparently very little to do with me. and yes sometimes we bicker and argue to make sure we don't get pushed aside. but the most important part of releasing the cycle is to stop taking it too serious personally. stop putting fuel on the fire and douse the flames even if people are attacking you.

let me give an example. i once babysitted a traumatized rat. the critter had the habit of just attacking whatever came into it's cage. with food or without food, good intents or bad intents it was just a standard response to attack. i managed to train it to stop attacking me by resisting my urge to pull back my hand as it attacked. and just let the rat bite me. basically, the sudden jerk of the hand shocked the rat and reinforced it's attack habit. it's own attack provoked the jerk and that was the reinforcement of that attack. i could put my hand into the cage without provoking an attack after 2 weeks.

the worst part of a pet rat bite is not the pain. their jaws aren't as strong as you'd think he usually did not even penetrate my skin. it's the shock of being attacked... which in my opinion is also the worst part of any verbal conflict we have with anyone.

the half way points where most fun where it took my hand or finger with both paws put it's teeth on my skin without actually biting and looking at me as if to say.."watch it buster!"

oh the second moral in this story is obviously: a thick skin helps. :)

aqcheryl

03-30-2009, 11:36 AM

from davids recent blog, and most relevant!

there’s only one of us here. and by loving and accepting others, you are loving and accepting yourself.

i wasnt even seeing it that way. now i have to sit here and wonder who im not loving. okay that doesnt sound right. er.. lol

FooSnik

03-30-2009, 01:41 PM

thank you everyone for your replies. love, love, love....

i feel i have made a bit of peace now. i was afraid that i was bringing too much discord to the forums. and i am very sensitive to the idea that i am just perpetuating more of the madness. but sometimes i get so overwhelmed that i need to express it and show people what i am feeling. i don't know maybe that is selfish. but wouldn't it be selfish as well to just let myself go down in a downward spiral? that is one thing that i have learned so far. that my actions affect other's around me. and it is just as much my responsibility to ask for help when i need it as it is to try to not spread negativity.

and another thing... i am the first person to say that there is absolutely nothing glamorous about the underworld. that is not my intention at all. in fact it is quite the opposite.

conundrum:

learned that one as well couldn't laugh or cry just had to let it happen just sat there shivering while i looked out in complete and utter horror my mind was reduced to yes no no yes which makes communication very difficult i totally couldn't commit to either .

it was like my mind was a roll of toilet paper that got pulled to hard and it all ended up being a big pile on the floor try taking one step forward then one step back it doesn't matter how many times you do it you don't seem to get any ware .

yes this is some of the experiences i have had. one time i had perfectly clear music playing in my head in the middle of the night. and i am not talking about the song that i heard in the morning that stuck in my head. but music i haven't heard in 10 years just playing inside of my head, loud and perfectly clear. man talk about going absolutely mad! i closed my eyes and it was like they were not even shut. there was perfectly detailed images flashing behind my eye lids.

i guess this is what dw means by the pineal gland being open when you are not sleeping.

thank you aqcheryl, ali, truth, conundrum and allycat.

i think i am going to go get some hot chocolate and try to think about care bears or something. :d

:)

AllyKat

03-30-2009, 03:07 PM

first off i'd like to say i'm so grateful for how loving and accepting everyone is on this forum, always having kind words and advice for others. it's really wonderful. i know the main focus of this forum is to discuss david's work but i think it's good to share a bit of our personal experiences. we then may use insights we've gained through studying david's work, the law of one and related material to help eachother out, keeping in mind we ultimately must look within for the answers.

allykat, i am very much like you... its in my nature to over-analyze... but you know what? thats how my mind works, and thats how i process information. i dont listen to others who say its a bad thing, because its not. its who we are. it is a gift -

i agree but i'd over analyzed to the point where i had panic attatcks. this rarely happens anymore but it has ben a struggle for me to control my own energy. through yoga i've learned breathing techniques that help and also by studying the material on this site i've come to know that sometimes i have to just let go of the analysis and accept, love and forgive. there's no higher conclusion. i guess i just like to know why. i want to understand and accept and love and forgive but understanding isn't of this density ;)

[quote=foosnik]
kind of like you said, i know that i am an extremely compassionate person but sometimes i can't seem to extend myself that same courtesy.
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so true for me as well but i'm getting better at allowing compassion for self. thanks again for sharing

aqcheryl

03-30-2009, 04:01 PM

i was afraid that i was bringing too much discord to the forums. and i am very sensitive to the idea that i am just perpetuating more of the madness.

someone needs to play the devil's advocate from time to time, perhaps it was just your turn? bwahahahahahaaaaaa (quickly hides tail, makes sure hair is covering horns lol)

seriously though, its all a process of learning. questioning everything, and when you find the answer you seek you move on to the next big question.

we are all learning, even when we think we are answering. answering makes us think specifically on that subject, puts out the vibrations and attracts knowledge. we eventually come to full understanding as such.

but sometimes i get so overwhelmed that i need to express it and show people what i am feeling. i don't know maybe that is selfish.

would you count it more as information overload? that you are learning so much to the point that you cannot really understand its meaning? if you mean that, then my response is... i think im going to pass out if we get all that information david speaks of at 2012 in an instant. how many of us will be comatose for those 6 seconds?

its hard to understand something when we are not even given time to think on it. all i can think of to do is write the topics down on a piece of paper, and go down each one individually devoting time to it.

but wouldn't it be selfish as well to just let myself go down in a downward spiral? that is one thing that i have learned so far. that my actions affect other's around me. and it is just as much my responsibility to ask for help when i need it as it is to try to not spread negativity.

our actions do indeed affect others, but perhaps it is only selfish at a subconscious level, and that when we dont focus. when we get caught up in our lives on this physical plane... we may not necessarily be devoting time to ourselves at this time either, it could be while helping someone else. but because for that moment we are not focused on uniting with the oneness, with each other... it is indeed a choice we made.

and another thing... i am the first person to say that there is absolutely nothing glamorous about the underworld. that is not my intention at all. in fact it is quite the opposite.

i dont think you have, from what ive seen. there are so many diverse subjects under one category that although we all can be talking about the same thing overall - we could indeed be discussing two very different things at the sub level. man... i hope im making sense here... i havent been to bed yet lol

yes this is some of the experiences i have had. one time i had perfectly clear music playing in my head in the middle of the night. and i am not talking about the song that i heard in the morning that stuck in my head. but music i haven't heard in 10 years just playing inside of my head, loud and perfectly clear. man talk about going absolutely mad! i closed my eyes and it was like they were not even shut. there was perfectly detailed images flashing behind my eye lids.

i guess this is what dw means by the pineal gland being open when you are not sleeping.

here is my thought... is it how we value these instances that formulate the response to them? for example, one person could see all these images downloading to them, and they understand something important is happening... so they then feel a need to remember and see everything they can... but everything is happening so quickly that they begin to feel fear, and failure - and this indeed could lead to physical reactions such as shaking and sweating.

i have had instances, but i vaguely remember them occurring... where ive "seen" things... but personally ive always been the type to shrug it off. its not that i devalue its merit - but rather i feel that if its really that important for me to know, then the energy or source behind this opening will point it out, it will make it apparent. of course we do our share and make ourselves open and ready to receive information - but they have to do their share as well and make it so we can understand. plugging in to universal knowledge should follow the speed of our data cables. lol

so if nothing comes from it, i just shrug it off because you know what? its a waste of time and energy that leads to negative thoughts that i just dont care to follow. id rather just move on. because of this, on those occasions, i dont know how much they have happened, how frequently or such, because i dont make a mental note to remember them. i just have vague recollections of it happening. but again, im not fussed about it because its like doing the bunny ears thing for old tv's... the reception is not good enough to record. haha

on a side note here, i do not feel that it has blocked me from receiving, if anything its helped me filter.

anyways, i wonder then if its a level of how hard we are on ourselves, that causes conditional reactions when such occurs.

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i think i am going to go get some hot chocolate and try to think about care bears or something. :d

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rofl
smurfs! la la la la la laaaaa la la la la laaaaaaaaaa

i know the main focus of this forum is to discuss david's work but i think it's good to share a bit of our personal experiences. we then may use insights we've gained through studying david's work, the law of one and related material to help eachother out, keeping in mind we ultimately must look within for the answers.

i completely agree. we cannot come to understanding without going into details of how it affects us individually - and sometimes we need an outside view to help enlighten us to the meaning.

i agree but i'd over analyzed to the point where i had panic attatcks.

ive not had a panic attack, per se - but i used to get very lost in my own head when presented with so many routes a tidbit could lead. its kind of like a maze, and trying to remember all the routes by memory caused me to actually physically feel restless and want to get 'out'. at that point, i just dropped the subject of what i was analyzing. perhaps i felt in instances such as those, it wasnt that worth it to cause physical duress, and also procrastination is key. :)

thats how it was for me, and like you its been a long time since its happened.

this rarely happens anymore but it has ben a struggle for me to control my own energy. through yoga i've learned breathing techniques that help and also by studying the material on this site i've come to know that sometimes i have to just let go of the analysis and accept, love and forgive. there's no higher conclusion. i guess i just like to know why. i want to understand and accept and love and forgive but understanding isn't of this density

omg yes! even very young, i was worse than normal kids with the why questions, and it never left. only this time i just research on my own. i can get lost surfing the net... ill look up one thing and then five hours later realize ive been breaking down segments of that original thing... for example, ill look up medieval dressers, to see what styles existed in the 13th century... and then i find myself reading on the same page i found that, as latrines they used - and then id want to read exactly how they used them back then (because the rich did indeed have a plumbing system), so off to plumbing, and then id end up reading about the types of jobs these poor people had to deal with back then in regards to said plumbing, some of it going into moats...blech.. but from there i can end up in whats being dumped in lakes today - and still have not fully received the answer to my first question - which was needed to complete one little sentence in my book. gah! lol but its cause i have to know whyyyyyy on everything.

i hear how people lose track of time and dont know where it goes. they think its only 15 minutes later, when several hours passed. unfortunately although i feel its only 15 min later, i know where the hours passed. lol

and then i end up here, on david's site, and for hours on end i become a sponge. thank goddess for my ds because i can still have something to do when i listen to the audio or video...

now if only david had a video game - what a concept that could be. you have to go through / seek and find learning to advance dimensions. hehe

FooSnik

03-30-2009, 06:29 PM

you are making sense :)

someone needs to play the devil's advocate from time to time, perhaps it was just your turn? bwahahahahahaaaaaa (quickly hides tail, makes sure hair is covering horns lol)

heehee

here is my thought... is it how we value these instances that formulate the response to them? for example, one person could see all these images downloading to them, and they understand something important is happening... so they then feel a need to remember and see everything they can... but everything is happening so quickly that they begin to feel fear, and failure - and this indeed could lead to physical reactions such as shaking and sweating.

i have had instances, but i vaguely remember them occurring... where ive "seen" things... but personally ive always been the type to shrug it off. its not that i devalue its merit - but rather i feel that if its really that important for me to know, then the energy or source behind this opening will point it out, it will make it apparent. of course we do our share and make ourselves open and ready to receive information - but they have to do their share as well and make it so we can understand. plugging in to universal knowledge should follow the speed of our data cables. lol

it was more of a psycosis type situation in which i couldn't control what was going on in my head and so many of the images were not pleasant. and yeah allycat, i am familiar with panic attacks too.

i used to feel like life was a form of solitary confinement. not in the physical sense but in the sense that we are like trapped in our own mind and body. and the thoughts just bounce around and echo inside of there. in a sense i think it is kind of like that. in the other realms i am sure the communication is on a higher psychic level in which there isn't so much miscommunication. and miscommunication can create fear, worry and darkness. and we know what fear does to people. there has been many different occasions in which i worked myself into a twisted knot about something only to finally talk about it and find out that it wasn't that bad at all. oh... for the love of the battles with the shadow self!

ali:

i am going to watch that movie maybe tomorrow. thanks for the recommendation!

this here is for aqcheryl :d:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3667223253985845528&ei=r2prsdwqg4ysqalwtvhmba&q=smurf+song&hl=en

peace and love!
:)

Purple Dragon

03-30-2009, 07:29 PM

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3667223253985845528&ei=r2prsdwqg4ysqalwtvhmba&q=smurf+song&hl=en

peace and love!
:)

if there is anyone we can learn about love from it's the smurfs all right! i recently watched the 1st season with my little girl (she loved it!). i think its great how every episode is about loving someone or another.

definitely a great example of how to love yourself!

FooSnik

03-30-2009, 07:54 PM

if there is anyone we can learn about love from it's the smurfs all right! i recently watched the 1st season with my little girl (she loved it!). i think its great how every episode is about loving someone or another.

definitely a great example of how to love yourself!

yes it is such a positive happy cartoon. nothing but pleasant memories of waking up early saturday mornings, before anyone else was up, and watching that show.

it is my happy place i go to when i need one.

conundrum

03-30-2009, 11:43 PM

the worst part of a pet rat bite is not the pain. their jaws aren't as strong as you'd think he usually did not even penetrate my skin. it's the shock of being attacked... which in my opinion is also the worst part of any verbal conflict we have with anyone.

yeah i know what you mean but with people you some times have to meet them at there own level then bring them down slowly otherwise you just get traumatized but i guess you most likely would have put your self in that situation to begin with.

[please pm for name and author] is a great book in regards to what you just mentioned this guy never wips a horse and doesn't break them yet he can pretty much train any horse even ones that have been abused .

he learned there language and they basically just become friends and trust him even works with humans to some degree kind of reminds me of ra in a way .

aqcheryl

03-31-2009, 05:33 AM

it was more of a psycosis type situation in which i couldn't control what was going on in my head and so many of the images were not pleasant.

yeah, i dont like gore in general and if i was being shown gory stuff... i have had a few times where my mind starts thinking about the details, but never in a fast procession like that. but when it comes to me... i think its a negative putting this info in our heads, however we receive it. trying to tear us down.

i used to feel like life was a form of solitary confinement. not in the physical sense but in the sense that we are like trapped in our own mind and body. and the thoughts just bounce around and echo inside of there. in a sense i think it is kind of like that.

i felt that way too, until i started expanding. now i see it like... our physical bodies are anchors, and so our freedom is restricted... but we wouldnt be able to walk the "ocean floor" without weights.

i think knowing that i can release, through meditation, has helped, and has helped alleviate any claustrophobia.

in the other realms i am sure the communication is on a higher psychic level in which there isn't so much miscommunication. and miscommunication can create fear, worry and darkness. and we know what fear does to people.

yes. sometimes even talking about spirituality frightens people, because they have not communed on a higher level.

there has been many different occasions in which i worked myself into a twisted knot about something only to finally talk about it and find out that it wasn't that bad at all. oh... for the love of the battles with the shadow self!

lol i know what you mean. i find if i 'sit on it' for some time, as time progresses, it seems less bad. less frightening.

this here is for aqcheryl :d:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3667223253985845528&ei=r2prsdwqg4ysqalwtvhmba&q=smurf+song&hl=en

peace and love!
:)

that song is sooo wrong! rofl!

if there is anyone we can learn about love from it's the smurfs all right! i recently watched the 1st season with my little girl (she loved it!). i think its great how every episode is about loving someone or another.

definitely a great example of how to love yourself!

lol i loved this cartoon growing up. i just wish they had more than one girl in there. what was that all about? but my all time favorite was voltron. or heman and shera - by the power of the universe!

FooSnik

03-31-2009, 09:02 AM

i felt that way too, until i started expanding. now i see it like... our physical bodies are anchors, and so our freedom is restricted... but we wouldnt be able to walk the "ocean floor" without weights.

wow really cool way to think about it. thank you for that one!

yeah why was there only one girl in the smurfs? :confused: lol never thought about that.

how about gi joe? i know it is a cartoon about war but it seemed so innocent back then.

how about: scooooooooooooby doooby doo!

hahahaha!

you rock aqcheryl!

:)

aqcheryl

03-31-2009, 11:02 AM

oh i love scooby doo! and i really do not like to promote violence but scrappy doo... ill stop myself while im still ahead lol

and being that i have a very dirty mind, i plead the 5th on the implications of one girl in the smurf colony. bwahahahahahahaaaaaaaa

mmariebored

04-02-2009, 09:00 PM

but its a vicious circle because then that makes me feel that way! lol
expanding like buddha is not my goal! rofl!

i should clarify that i dont fall into the stigma of being the thinnest is the best. i really dont. i want to be overweight a little - because i see these tiny women - my best friend is one of them, and its so hard for me to see them not breaking with a simple hug. lol i want some weight, i just dont want the weight i have. for me... i was always a healthy overweight, but in 2005 we were in a car accident... subsequently i got pneumonia and since then my lungs are taxed very easily doing simple things... so over a progression of time i fell into unhealthy because its not easy. its this i struggle with personally.
ahh, now i understand where the "victim mentality" comes from(edit: i'm speaking about the rant in the other thread, just to clarify.). that video you offered in the other thread is something i see a lot around this forum. personally, badly crippled people doing amazing things is not what inspires me at all. that only depresses me because i'm an extreme empath.

when i need inspiration to keep moving forward, i watch people who are healthy, doing amazing things. i'm not sure why but that just seems to inspire me more. ice skating is a favorite. dancing and all things happy. babies being born on discovery health always makes me cry, happy tears.

my husband and i are fixing up our house this spring and getting new furniture, we've already done so much and my spirits have never been better.
have you thought about rearranging your environment? there's something about changing scenery that lifts you out of a sluggish mentality and places you into a better one. this works on men as well, my husband is a lot happier than usual and he credits my decoration skills. it's worth a shot. :)

FooSnik

04-03-2009, 08:58 AM

the movie "the thin red line" has a quote: "one man looks at a dying bird and thinks there's nothing but unanswered pain. that death's got the final word, it's laughing at him. another man sees that same bird, feels the glory, feels something smiling through it. "

you could check out this movie. basically the hero is stuck in the most terrible of places. yet he never stops being a divine interpretation of himself.

ok i watched the movie and i loved it. i read a lot of random people's comments of the movie and so many of them said it was boring. but i loved it because it was basically the way i would view a war if i had to go fight in one. there are a lot of great quotes from the movie. it came about as close as you could come to the true emotions you would feel when facing your death and possibly a lot of pain in the process.

i guess my final point is that it seems, on this planet, that it takes a hard knock or a hardship for a person to stop and smell the flowers, or the coffee, whichever you prefer.

now we could take this into a larger discussion of whether or not suffering is necessary for growth. but regardless, from my experience, this seems to be the way of the earth land.

after the fact, once realization of divine beauty has set in, then we can see the beauty in everything. including the hard knocks and the suffering.

but still, earth is about the hard knock life, in my opinion.

so i hope we have come to a nice understanding here ali because i have a lot of respect for you. :)

peace,
foo

aqcheryl

04-03-2009, 01:29 PM

ahh, now i understand where the "victim mentality" comes from(edit: i'm speaking about the rant in the other thread, just to clarify.).

it wasnt a rant but a discussion. rant implies emotion behind it, and i was approaching from a scientific point of view.

have you thought about rearranging your environment? there's something about changing scenery that lifts you out of a sluggish mentality and places you into a better one.

i would love to move! lol but until that happens, i do agree with the concept of feng shui, as its goal is to circulate and invite positive energies into ones living environment.

have you heard of a concept about which direction you face when you sleep at night affecting certain aspects of your life?

Schaqq69

04-03-2009, 02:50 PM

hello everyone. i am new to the site. i have been reading this thread and i see that it has been discussing weight and food.

my father is a chef. so when it comes to healthy food it came from my mom. lol. she made sure we had a protein, startch and vegatable with every dinner we were ever served in our life.

i come from what are referred to as hillbillies here in america and i find that term to be a great one. we come from the hills and mountains of this country and ten to one you going to find someone in our family with the name billy. i have at least 5 in mine.

i can look at the weight in my family and all the women except for a select few are over weight. including my mom before she passed. my younger sister even struggled with weight until she passed. i don't struggle with my weight. it was an issue for me. until i realized it was because i wasn't dealing with the real issue. i don't like my skin at all. i used to think that the weight and the fact that i am darker than my entire family was the problem.

it isn't. it never was. i know i made a choice to come back. you would think after the first 3 times you would not make that choice. here i am with knowledge that predates me by over 200 years. i know them for what they are memories. i am only 32. how can i remember how it felt to ride in a horse drawn wagon, under the cover of a canvas because of the indians? or how can i remember how the white man saved our family by allowing us to live on his lands. this man protected us and made sure we had what we needed to survive the winter. how can i know the feel of the ship as it pitched and heaved in the sea during a storm, and that sickness nearly whiped out all the passangers. i can't at least not from this life. they are other lives.

so i struggled with the way people looked at me. i wasn't always overweight, but i have always been darker than my family. i would hear people say how nice it is that my mom and dad adopted a black child. then hear the anger that came in my mothers calm cool voice when she said we didn't adopt her. i gave birth to her. then the look of shock on the faces, then i began to know that it wasn't shock it was horror.

i gained weight because when my mom thought of me becoming sexualy active she took a proactive stance. birth control. side affect weight gain. weight gain caused depression it just added to what i seen as a disfigurement. my color. so weight gain went hand in hand. i nor my family have ever over ate. we don't pig out, and we eat rather healthy. we live in the city and we manage to grow some of our own vegetables. my father used to hunt and that would be our main meat for the winter. we would suplement it with stuff from the store.

i like my mom make rather healthy meals. i have a son. he was over weight and the doctors wanted to tell me how to get him to lose weight. i couldn't follow their orders. to listen to a child cry because he is hungry is cruel and unusual punishment. he is a child. he is a male, growing. at 11 years old he now stands 5'1" and weighs in at 126 pounds. he is losing the fat because he burns it off so quickly as he grows. i look at him and remember the fat kid the doctors tried to torture and i am reminded. being over weight isn't a bad thing.

i have the unfortunate fortune of being blessed with some physical limitations. i found out that i can not have children and the one i did have is a miracle in itself. at least to the doctors. now they tell me due to my illnesses i need to loose weight. no i don't. i have been the same weight for over 15 years at least. i eat healthy. i don't buy canned food. i do by organic or grow my own. i also will purchase when it is possible straight from the farm. here we can by what is called a side of beef which is half a cow or the whole thing. have it butchered down into steaks, ribs, hamburger what ever. we also can purchase whole pigs and we tend to call that fresh picnic.

so being over weight i get to see sides of people that the overly skinny don't get to see. being over weight you are not a threat in a room. people talk more freely and openly. i learned how to embrace my weight and my skin tone. now i can teach my son how to do the same. my boyfriend/fiance doesn't have a weight problem. he does have a problem with his own image. he is amazed i love him just for who he is and not what he is.

money has never been able to buy happiness or love. in more cases it only brings stress and misery. so i am happy with out making the big dollars. i used to make good money. i am a person with great potential. my illness has only allowed me to retire early, and do what i love. be mom in the since i can teach my son. i can teach him to dream big and pay attention to the world he is in. he can tell when a storm is coming when the sky is blue sometimes. we are teaching him who to tell the seasons are changing with out the use of the calander. this planet is why i come back. the fact i have knowledge to pass on is why i come back.

how do i love myself. someone once said more than i did yesterday and less than i will tomorrow.

aqcheryl

04-03-2009, 06:19 PM

schaqq thats a beautiful post. i think you have much to give and help others learn. i have memories as well, and i think our past lives extend beyond just passing grades but also help shape who we are in the current life - and thats even if we dont remember.

i have heard that sometimes people have to regress into past lives to understand more about whats happening to them today. so its important to look at them - because the past is not something to stick up on the bookshelf and collect dust, it has an active role.

FooSnik

04-03-2009, 07:43 PM

it isn't. it never was. i know i made a choice to come back. you would think after the first 3 times you would not make that choice. here i am with knowledge that predates me by over 200 years. i know them for what they are memories. i am only 32. how can i remember how it felt to ride in a horse drawn wagon, under the cover of a canvas because of the indians? or how can i remember how the white man saved our family by allowing us to live on his lands. this man protected us and made sure we had what we needed to survive the winter. how can i know the feel of the ship as it pitched and heaved in the sea during a storm, and that sickness nearly whiped out all the passangers. i can't at least not from this life. they are other lives.

money has never been able to buy happiness or love. in more cases it only brings stress and misery. so i am happy with out making the big dollars. i used to make good money. i am a person with great potential. my illness has only allowed me to retire early, and do what i love. be mom in the since i can teach my son. i can teach him to dream big and pay attention to the world he is in. he can tell when a storm is coming when the sky is blue sometimes. we are teaching him who to tell the seasons are changing with out the use of the calendar. this planet is why i come back. the fact i have knowledge to pass on is why i come back.

how do i love myself. someone once said more than i did yesterday and less than i will tomorrow.

that is very interesting you can remember those past lives.

so much wisdom in your words. may we all find the kind of peace you have found there in the hills.

thanks for sharing your story.

peace and love.

LoveWins

04-04-2009, 01:08 PM

so many interesting responses. i think this is the thing that we all struggle with more than anything else too.

i don't know if i'm allowed to post a recommendation for a book i found helpful, but since the post have to be approved first, i know if not the mods will remove it, so i hope it's okay.

i have a book , [please pm sherry for name and author]. she addresses this issue very well and this book has helped me probably more than anything else. mine is dog eared from many years of use. i'm sure many of you probably know the book that i speak of.

i could write on and on how to, but the book is a gem and well worth looking into. she explains so well why we should love ourselves as everything else stems from how we feel about ourselves.

it seems to me though, if you are thinking of this and willing to learn how to love yourself, you have already taken a huge step that i'm sure doesn't go unnoticed :-) many times, we get stuck in the "how tos" . oftentime we just need to be willing to say that we are willing to learn, willing to be shown and ask for help then you will find things coming to you in all sorts of ways that will help you along the path.

love and light,
sherry

aqcheryl

04-04-2009, 02:52 PM

Purple Dragon

04-04-2009, 03:16 PM

how about gi joe? i know it is a cartoon about war but it seemed so innocent back then.

ahh i loved that show! back-to-back with the transformers :) great afternoon cartoons! and even though they were "war-like" they still taught about sto vs sts!

so i struggled with the way people looked at me. i wasn't always overweight, but i have always been darker than my family. i would hear people say how nice it is that my mom and dad adopted a black child. then hear the anger that came in my mothers calm cool voice when she said we didn't adopt her. i gave birth to her. then the look of shock on the faces, then i began to know that it wasn't shock it was horror.

it's confusing how some people could actually be in horror over something like this, and its very likely that any uncomfortable feelings you have about your skin tone were probably programmed into you throughout your childhood. it is wonderful to hear you have accepted yourself for who you are, this must have been a great catalyst to help you learn a lot about the world in this lifetime.

to think if you had of been born in the same situation many years later, it would have had a much less shock on everyone, after all now there is even the story of the mother that gave birth to twins - 1 black and 1 white baby!
and you may have missed out on the catalyst experience you went through!

Schaqq69

04-04-2009, 07:29 PM

ahh i loved that show! back-to-back with the transformers :) great afternoon cartoons! and even though they were "war-like" they still taught about sto vs sts!

it's confusing how some people could actually be in horror over something like this, and its very likely that any uncomfortable feelings you have about your skin tone were probably programmed into you throughout your childhood. it is wonderful to hear you have accepted yourself for who you are, this must have been a great catalyst to help you learn a lot about the world in this lifetime.

to think if you had of been born in the same situation many years later, it would have had a much less shock on everyone, after all now there is even the story of the mother that gave birth to twins - 1 black and 1 white baby!
and you may have missed out on the catalyst experience you went through!

it was not programmed into me from my family. my family is color blind. i am treated no different than any other member. i was born in the 70's. people would be shocked to the level of racisim that still exists in this country. it was clear when i was growing up now the lines are much less faded. i have a son and he has a wonderful tanned skin tone with blonde hair and hazel eyes. people look at me strange when i discipline him when we are out and he chooses to do wrong.

so it is no surprise to me. racism is at some level and in some places alive and well. it is ok with me now that i can look past what they are saying and admire my own beauty. if i lose weight then it only addes to me for me. not for others. it is only good for my health, and to help me be here for my son.

Purple Dragon

04-04-2009, 09:36 PM

i also remember david saying that if you cant love yourself, youll probably be stagnant when the ascension comes... so you might not immediately move into the 4th dimension. i dont want to be stuck in third just because i hate what i see. i dont think anyone else does either.

i know it is easier said than done, but it's all about a choice. we all decided to come to this world, to be in these bodies, and to be living the life we are for a purpose. catalyst's are very important for our learning and evolving as one. the reason everyone feels what they feel, is because we need to learn what it is like to be in the situations we are in, doing the things we do, etc. it's all a learning experience.

like i said, easier said than done, but thinking about it and just remembering that you have the choice to feel anything you want. we just need to remember, and thats the hard part.

so my advice would be every time you think you are unhappy with anything, remember, you have the choice to feel how you want. it is the remembering part that's important, but difficult. another reason why reading david's works are so great, because they help you remember who we are.

Purple Dragon

04-04-2009, 09:43 PM

so it is no surprise to me. racism is at some level and in some places alive and well.

i just can't understand not likes someone because of their physical appearances. once we move on, we will look however we look and so on. it's how we feel that's important. but that's what this whole forum is about right? :)

aqcheryl

04-05-2009, 01:08 AM

so my advice would be every time you think you are unhappy with anything, remember, you have the choice to feel how you want.

i also just read a post in another thread explaining that our bodies 'density' is made up of light... the higher we ascend the less dense we will become... but otherwise, its made up of the light compacting together. so in a weird way you could say im collecting love lol hey whatever outlook works, as long as we learn to love ourselves right?

i just can't understand not likes someone because of their physical appearances. once we move on, we will look however we look and so on. it's how we feel that's important. but that's what this whole forum is about right?
i agree with you completely, its very hard to understand.
i also agree with schaqq, that its still prevalent - even in areas youd think it wasnt. for example my best friends husband was recently hospitalized and was very close to a comatose state. after the danger passed he was so weak that he needed some time in a wheelchair before he could get his strength back up. she was telling me today how during this time, others would glare at him for being in the wheelchair - and they would walk without looking where they were going and walk straight into him - then glare at him as if he should learn to get out of their way faster.

i, like you, dont understand this mentality. i dont understand why people must form a separation on how others look - or judge them for it. healthy people are not better than those who are not healthy - we are one, and there should be no separation. we should all love each other for who we are not what vessel we may be in.

this is another reason why i find those who have handicaps and are able to push past them as uplifting; because they overcome not just the physical odds, but they overcome the emotional and mental ones placed on them by a society that scorns them for trying; that tells them they cant do it, etc.

bekkig

04-05-2009, 07:15 AM

please let me extend a sincere and joyous appreciation for all who have posted to this thread!!!! it has been incredibly awesome for me to sit here and read this entire thread - it has expanded my thinking horizens enormously!

please allow me to share, i am new to postings, as well as discussion/forum groups, i hope any faux-pas may be overlooked as i attempt this....

my eye caught this thread " how do you love yourself?", and i found it most interesting because my problem is the exact opposite. i have been working on trying to love others for 2 decades!!! in the beginning of my spiritual path, i tried to follow the words of the man jesus who said to "love your neighbor as yourself". i thought, now how can i love that old coot next door like i love myself?! that's just too hard! how can i do that? but i worked on it and my spiritual journey progressed and as i had children i tried to use that feeling (the unconditional love i felt for them) to superimpose onto the neighbors of the world. and that is where i still am. it is daily, continual process for me. someone mentioned using the feeling of compassion on others to show love for them - thank you for that, that is something i had not thought of and would like to spend time thinking about.

i also wanted to share my story, though not directly about weight loss (tho naturally i have battled that as well), was inspired by it. i never thought i was a pretty girl. from an early age i started wearing make up and styling my hair and examining my image from every angle. i would not leave my house unless make up was applied (the full face: mascara, eyeliner, shadow, foundation, powder, blush, even browliner!) and my hair was curled, styled and sprayed. earrings on, shoes match outfit, all that. i did this for decades!! after awhile, i came to believe that this was very vain of me, that it was not our outside shell that mattered. i quit wearing the makeup and fixing the hair. when i did this, another issue popped up, and that was where everytime i saw myself in the mirror or whatever, i immediately noticed and commented to myself about how incredibly ugly i thought i was. and the only way i could deal with that, i figured out, was acceptance. when that voice popped up and told me how ugly i was, i just had to be resigned, and tell myself, well, that's just how it is. it's not good, not bad, just is. all i can do is just be the best bekkig i can be.

anyway, i just wanted to say this to aqcheryl: you seem to have it very together spiritual-wise, in your issue with your weight, i would like to recommend that you learn to accept it. if you can really integrate that feeling, deep inside, that your physical body is not what is important here, you will probably end up losing the weight while not even noticing it. all of sudden your clothes start hanging on you (once i was walking and my slip started to fall down!), if it is a non issue, then it becomes a non issue.

again, i want to offer my most humblest gratitude to all who post on this forum with their wise insights and advice and opinions. i have been reading david's work since the ascension2000 website, and until very recently did not know this discussion group existed. it is such a relief to be able to read what i read here - in my life there are only 2 people i could mention my belief about how our very existence is an illusion, all else would think i had gone off the deep end and joined some sort of cult!

thank you all wonderful people!!

Purple Dragon

04-05-2009, 10:52 AM

well said bekkig!

it's always wonderful to see a new face on the message board, it means our numbers are growing, more are understanding the learning the nature of the world.

indeed it is difficult to love others like you love yourself, at least until you realize that we are all one, so it's not really another you are loving, its just another aspect of yourself. once we all understand this, there will be no me only us. it will be a glorious day!

FooSnik

04-05-2009, 11:15 AM

ahh i loved that show! back-to-back with the transformers :) great afternoon cartoons! and even though they were "war-like" they still taught about sto vs sts!

hmmmm.... yeah. i guess you are right. everything teaches us about sto vs sts. everything. and nothing teaches us more profoundly than negativity.

and if we didn't get completely lost in this experience for a time then it wouldn't be quite as intensely profound.

i have known that for a long time but for some reason, when referenced to g.i. joe, it rung some bells for me and sunk in. lol

“the road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom.” -william blake

Schaqq69

04-05-2009, 02:39 PM

i struggled with the fact i was so different. i tried to make myself so small no one would notice me.

the only problem was. i have opinions and i make them clear.

now being in highschool. being considered black, i was a freak. i love black clothes and playing with my hair color.

i also listen to country music, celtic, heavy metal and many more. my son knows beetovan (sp). i was set on fire because of my look and choice in music. i am smart. i enjoyed it, i was comfortable. it made others so uncomfortable that a group of girls seen fit to try to set me on fire.

i wear layers of clothes and thank god that i did on that day. the layers protected me from the flames. i lost some hair, but i cleaned up nicely. no one ever knew. i carried that with me, and it made me angry. it transfered inot my life.

i don't want my son to go through the same things. he is different. he is smart. he also has my habit of liking things others think are strange. i don't want him to think he has some bad appearance or can't fit in.

when you are teased through out the life times you spend here it can carry over into how you see who you are in this life. you have to make the decision to love you for you. no matter who you are or how difference you are.

dealing with my own, i am learning to help him. being a single mom of a boy is hard enough. now i have to figure out how to help him nagivate the akwardness of being different.

he is already aware we are not the normal family. his dad is my boyfriend. mom taught him how to fish and camp. how many boys can say my mom can hunt, fish and camp. he did out loud and was told his mom is a freak.

it is hard at any age to learn to love yourself. you do learn. with the help of good people in your life and in my son's case a mom that is other worldly helps alot also. i am proud i have a real child 11 and not worried about hangin on the streets and knows when to walk away.

aqcheryl

04-05-2009, 04:47 PM

i thought, now how can i love that old coot next door like i love myself?! that's just too hard! how can i do that?

thanks for posting, bekkig! ive gone through so many 'analyzations' of myself due to this. with my past (both this incarnate and apparently past) it seems to follow me, having no sense of self worth. so for me, its easy to love others but not myself.

theres so many things david has said that although he could be referring to one thing, it hits me hard about this other thing. for example:

"it is okay if you stumble and falter. it is okay if you are in a state of blindness."

"it is not necessary to be such a spiritual super-hero in order to ascend."

"you already have the potentials within you right now to make this transformation. expand your love and your compassion. do not grieve for the loss of the past, but understand rather the birth of the future."

someone mentioned using the feeling of compassion on others to show love for them....i never thought i was a pretty girl....another issue popped up, and that was where everytime i saw myself in the mirror or whatever, i immediately noticed and commented to myself about how incredibly ugly i thought i was...you seem to have it very together spiritual-wise, in your issue with your weight, i would like to recommend that you learn to accept it. if you can really integrate that feeling, deep inside, that your physical body is not what is important here, you will probably end up losing the weight while not even noticing it.

compassion is definitely part of it, and also changing our perception. sometimes we fall into the trap of thinking others have the same knowledge, insight, logic, etc when instead they really have different thought processes all together.
i grew up knowing i wasnt pretty, and so i already had a 'give up' mentality set in place so that it affects the weight issue as well.

i wish i had it together spiritual wise, but thanks :) i am trying to accept that my weight does not define who i am. i become a hypocrite against myself, because i will truly tell anyone else the same, their weight or whatever other issue does not define who they are, and they are beautiful people, and im honest.
i think i cant believe it for myself because its deeply rooted that i dont see myself as having same value as those who are thin. logically i know thats wrong, it just getting myself to believe it. i do hope it starts dropping :)
if being full of love and light heals, then if i can be that, it should heal the weight too.

thank you all for your advice, outlook and responses, and i agree again, thank the gods ( :d hehe) for this forum!

Purple Dragon

04-05-2009, 10:45 PM

when you are teased through out the life times you spend here it can carry over into how you see who you are in this life. you have to make the decision to love you for you. no matter who you are or how difference you are.

i know i went through this in my lifetime. nothing to the extent of being set of fire, but i was pushed around, laughed at, made fun of etc. throughout junior high school.

i think your attitude towards it all is going to help your son get through the tough times. just knowing you are there to share your love, and teaching him to love, will go a long ways.

indeed, everything does happen for a reason. if my parents had of been more open talking about spiritual development, i may have turned out differently. but i also may have missed an amazing catalyst to understand the importance of being open & talking about it with my daughter. and when love is the catalyst, only love can be the outcome.

FooSnik

04-06-2009, 03:08 PM

actually, we are allowed to be psychic - we are indeed. even skeptics are - they utilize intuition on a daily basis without realizing this is a form of psychic ability. i have found that when you focus inside and grow stronger in your meditation and walk further towards the enlightenment, the more psychic you become.

the answer deals with the strength in your convictions, are you willing to self-sacrifice for the greater good. therefore if you knew how painful something was going to be and you reach that level, then yes - you would still go through it.

our lessons here are to learn and value love, because the higher you are dimension-wise the less you feel. you cannot know what love is without knowing its opposite, and without knowing love you cannot respect and value others.

actually we are only allowed to be psychic to a point. there are some things we simply are not allowed to know. i have read too many stories about people seeing stuff during a near death experience, or some type of out of body experience, but the angels stop them from seeing some things because it would effect the outcome of their lives. it would defeat the purpose of what the person went to earth for.

so yes we can see some things but there are limits to what we are allowed to know about.

there seems to be a timing involved with it all. we are allowed to see certain things only when the time is right.

this description of a near death experience came from someone here in our own forums:

about this time, the nurse came in to give her a shot to spunk her up a little, to try to get her to stay alert. she perked up a good 30 mins. i asked her if she remembered telling me things. she smiled and said "lynette, you are blessed to witness what i am seeing, i want you to know something, everyone you every come across in life and everyone that comes across you in life, we all have to stand up for or stand up against everyone, its all up to us, we decide the weight of peoples doing, ever things you do to another, that person will have to stand for you or against you in the kingdom. and lynette, i dont understand what happened with the garden of eden, its really really sad, it wasn't fair, it wasn't fair (she was very sad about this)"

i was asking some questions about souls and destiny and the end of things on the earth...she has a look like she was listening to someone, and told me this with a smile...."i have to be careful lynette, for some things you are not supposed to know."-we smiled at eachother-she asked me to come to her, so i did, she pulled me down close to her, kissed my forehead, then layed her hand on my head, and blessed me in the name of jesus and the kingdom of heaven...she then reminded me again, i was a witness and i must choose wisely who i talk with about things, because i would be making them a witness also.-she paused and laughed and said, "but someone might have to build another ark"

notice the bold print above there. some things we are not allowed to know.

http://www.divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11519&highlight=death

Ali Quadir

04-06-2009, 04:18 PM

notice the bold print above there. some things we are not allowed to know.

yes, compartmentalization of knowledge. we're the totality, but some part of it is not allowed to know of some other part. none of these compartmentalizations are real. there is only one of us here. there is no one to deny us access to anything except ourselves.

in my opinion this is a belief and the only effect that it has is that our belief inspired choices will lead us to not know some things.

aqcheryl

04-06-2009, 04:54 PM

indeed, everything does happen for a reason. if my parents had of been more open talking about spiritual development, i may have turned out differently. but i also may have missed an amazing catalyst to understand the importance of being open & talking about it with my daughter. and when love is the catalyst, only love can be the outcome.

the majority of the time we have not earned something, we take it for granted. therefore when we are given these 'trials' they act as the catalyst to change our way of thinking, and is the only way it can happen. so even the worst of things can serve to make us the better of ourselves.

actually we are only allowed to be psychic to a point. there are some things we simply are not allowed to know.

yes - however, i was responding to the statement we are not allowed to be psychic at all. :) at the same time, the closer to our 4d selves we get the more 'psychic' we become - and this is allowed because as we progress to this level - with that also comes understanding of any knowledge we gain.
as opposed to someone who has psychic abilities and are not close to their 4d - they would not understand the value of respecting the information. that can lead to why theres a monitoring of some people knowing.

in lynettes case thats not so much psychic ability, as rather a nde sends us to the astral/higher plane where all knowledge is available - when that happens and we do come back, we have to be limited in what we come back knowing.

psychics tend to tap into knowledge through space/time.

FooSnik

04-06-2009, 06:50 PM

yes, compartmentalization of knowledge. we're the totality, but some part of it is not allowed to know of some other part. none of these compartmentalizations are real. there is only one of us here. there is no one to deny us access to anything except ourselves.

in my opinion this is a belief and the only effect that it has is that our belief inspired choices will lead us to not know some things.

i realize that, ali, that anything is possible. even christ consciousness. and on the other side all is revealed to us. but we signed up to play a game here in which we have a specific point of view. yes, christ consciousness is possible, i know.

our higher self may deem it necessary to block some info from us, for whatever reason, because it is the most advantageous for the one of us here.

there definitely seems to be a sense of timing as too how the knowledge is revealed. and a profit is the guy riding on the very tippy front of that wave of knowledge.

like with "invention synchronicity", how certain inventions seem to happen at the same time and in different parts of the world. like someone up there all of a sudden said, "ok we can go with the new invention." and all of a sudden different scientists all over the world get the same general idea.

i think to a degree we just have to let go and enjoy the ride. not put limits but don't worry so much about achieving the very top. because there is no top.

:)

Purple Dragon

04-06-2009, 11:22 PM

our higher self may deem it necessary to block some info from us, for whatever reason, because it is the most advantageous for the one of us here.

the veil is our key structure on being able to make this journey. as ra has said, how would we learn if we know everything? i think it would just take the fun out of it. it would be very difficult to learn about the high's without knowing where the low's will take us.

it's will be very fulfilling at the end of our journey and be able to look back, and smile with what we have learned even though sometimes it is the hard way

FooSnik

04-07-2009, 10:29 AM

as ra has said, how would we learn if we know everything?

lol

i have worked so hard, for many years, to try to figure out what i am doing here and someone like you comes along and boils it down to one simple but brilliant sentence.

dammit!

just playing. thanks a lot. makes perfect sense.

jc1

04-12-2009, 12:41 PM

aqcheryl

04-12-2009, 06:43 PM

i have a great analogy for that.
you know that habit some of us have of setting the clocks in our rooms 10 mins fast to give us the impression we're late when we're actually not? or maybe i'm the only freak round here.

no! ive done that!

was it jesus who said that he didn't teach about reincarnation because he was aware that in some cultures it made people lazy because they would just sit back & say "hey, if i screw up this time or am just plain lazy, it doesn't matter because i'll take care of it in the next life," or "manana" as they say in some hot countries.

ive never heard that. but you know, personally i dont feel he would have said that. because thats messing with free will. it is our decision to decide if we will take that outlook and laze around.

so really that seems to be something more man stated (perhaps in the name of jesus?) because heaven forbid we all are equals and do not require a middle man to our christ consciousness hehe

FooSnik

04-12-2009, 07:54 PM

i have a great analogy for that.
you know that habit some of us have of setting the clocks in our rooms 10 mins fast to give us the impression we're late when we're actually not? or maybe i'm the only freak round here.

well, this works alot better if you forget that you have set the clock 10 mins fast, otherwise you just think "oh, that clock's 10 mins fast, i've got plenty of time."

sometimes i make funny little wishes like, i wish someone would come into my house & put all the clocks 10 mins faster without my knowing then i might be on time for the appointments i set myself. how weird is that!

i like to think that my forgetting who & what i really am is the equivalent of someone setting my clocks forward to hurry me up.

was it jesus who said that he didn't teach about reincarnation because he was aware that in some cultures it made people lazy because they would just sit back & say "hey, if i screw up this time or am just plain lazy, it doesn't matter because i'll take care of it in the next life," or "manana" as they say in some hot countries.

in light,

jc

actually i heard that he did teach about reincarnation but it was removed from the bible in order to better control the people. if the people thought they had eternal life they would be less afraid to be more rebellious and risk their life to fight oppression.

but then again i can see how people would get lazy thinking they could just do the work in the next life. but then again, not knowing you have eternal life can paralyze you in fear. it could make people become too careful not to mess up this one precious shot at life that they have.

and yeah, i tried to set my clock ahead too but it didn't work for me either. lol cool analogy.

dreamweaver

04-12-2009, 10:57 PM

i hope someone can help me sort this out about self love and unconditional love and soul growth and all that. i understand that we must love ourselves before we can be whole enough to give out true love to another. i get that there is a difference between being self-centered and soul-centered. i know that love is always the answer. but my situation has me rather stumped. pardon me for pouring out some real personal stuff here.

i am married to a very unselfish, loving man. he is a highly religious person and is very traditional. i am what i call a free spirit and find dogma something i choose to ignore. while we have always given each other total space to be whoever we are and do whatever we want to do, it can be exhausting always figuring out how to meet in the middle every day for many years now. opposites attract yes, but for the long haul, it has become a difficult road. while i would not accept anyone deterring my spiritual growth, it does feel like i'm frequently being pulled into the consequences of lower vibrational habits and attitudes that affect what is attracted into our daily path. i get confused because of the goal of unconditional love. how can i love my (and his) self, honor my (and his) path and love me/him unconditionally while i sense a difference in density living with him? it's heavy enough to be causing me a great deal of stress. but how could i leave him when he's done nothing wrong? i feel vulnerable putting this out here, but maybe even a private msg might be a way to answer if someone feels like responding to me personally. thanks. /dreamweaver

LordDragon

04-13-2009, 10:51 AM

was it jesus who said that he didn't teach about reincarnation because he was aware that in some cultures it made people lazy because they would just sit back & say "hey, if i screw up this time or am just plain lazy, it doesn't matter because i'll take care of it in the next life," or "manana" as they say in some hot countries.

a funny way of thinking, if you screw up in this life you gotta do more work in the next! it is offcoure everyone its own choice. take the bleu pill or take the red pill, and nemo choose the red one. the choice is yours. but just like in the movie it is a choice between going back to sleep or being awake. :d

@dreamweaver

with unconditional love a paper means nothing. the fact you are carefully observing yourself and your situation is an act of love. you do care about your husband, and it's not wrong to care about yourself to. in fact you have a relationship with another person, a relationship works both ways, and its clear you are not feeling happy how it is working out now. a relationship must be in balance, when this balance can not be reached, or is gone, you can try to talk it out. but in some situations people can peacefully regognize the balance is gone and is not coming back. in that case i believe niether of them has the right to hold the other from going his/her path.

how can i love my (and his) self, honor my (and his) path and love me/him unconditionally while i sense a difference in density living with him?

unconditional love is also accepting that those path's can be different. so you must not reject your own path, because then you are not loving yourself, and on the other hand you must not reject, or try to change another one's path because then you are not loving others. also here it is about balance. sto is about balance, about loving yourself enough in balance with serving/loving others. when you love yourself (ego) to much you can not love others anymore, but when you reject yourself you can also not serve others.

i can not tell you how to solve your problems, that is something only you can know, and can do. but you are telling sensefull things yourself.

i understand that we must love ourselves before we can be whole enough to give out true love to another.

those are very wise words, but to love yourself also means to be in balance with yourself. the only advice i can give you is to become in balance with yourself and from that balance you will find a way to solve your problems. work from within, ask advice to you innerself.

i wish you well

blessings, ld.

Sarahmay

04-13-2009, 02:46 PM

first of all, you must realize we are not our bodies. our bodies are like a suit of clothes that we wear for this life--and sometimes we feel better in one outfit than another, but they are not us. our bodies have a primitive consciousness of their own, like that of a five year old child. so, send love to that primitive consciousness and thank it for serving you in this life!

secondly, our personalities are not truly us either, not fully. we have a spark of our oversoul that comes in to animate the body. we interact with the world with this personality--but it is filtered through 3d and experience and is subject to energetic bombardment.

so, we sent a splinter of ourselves into this body, this family, this country, this planet to have an experience. we chose the details, then we create our outcome. it is a wild ride, and sometimes it sucks, but i hear it is a privilege to be here.

dreamweaver

04-13-2009, 05:10 PM

thank you so much for taking the time to help me sort my feeling out sarahmay. my fear is that i will hurt him and then find out i was just being selfish and impatient while he walks his own ascension path in his own way. i have been deeply soul searching, and you are right, i need balance. thank you and god bless you. dreamweaver

aqcheryl

04-13-2009, 06:32 PM

one other thing about reincarnation is that along with this knowledge comes the understanding what we do in one life will follow us - so in that sense people would be less likely to be lazy.

on another point... someone is more apt to be lazy thinking they only have this one life, because they fall into the entrapment that their life means nothing anyways.

i understand that we must love ourselves before we can be whole enough to give out true love to another.
yes and no, you can truly love others more than yourself, but you still need to love yourself. you dont have to be whole... even the forsaken love.
as for your situation, first once we step past the vulnerability and put ourselves out there, we strengthen. now that you are taking the steps to break out of silence, have you done this yet with your husband? have you discussed your concerns with him? it is always better to discuss it freely and openly, because when we dont, it builds up and chaos ensues.
something is happening to make you feel as you do. is there pressure on his side that you feel maybe inadvertently hes trying to influence your beliefs? do you fear you are doing this on your own?
only you two can know the solution to the problem, but you have to work together to get to it. we never solve a problem once and then thats the end of it. it re-arises, so we have to nip it before it does.
two people can have a mature and respectful conversation with differing beliefs. it is possible.

those are very wise words, but to love yourself also means to be in balance with yourself.
thank you for this, this actually is an answer to the original question i posed. how do you love yourself. now understanding that loving yourself is equal to being in balance, you opened a whole new door for me.

balance means an equal share of both. balance means accepting your flaws and accepting them as flaws versus trying to get rid of the flaw. i am seeing this now. it makes a world of difference to know that its ok to accept the flaw, so i can stop being so critical of myself.

this really meant a lot to me, lord dragon

dreamweaver

04-13-2009, 08:20 PM

thank you aqcheryl and lord dragon. you honestly helped me untangle myself. i greatly appreciate your insights. /dreamweaver

conundrum

04-14-2009, 12:21 AM

but then again i can see how people would get lazy thinking they could just do the work in the next life. but then again, not knowing you have eternal life can paralyze you in fear. it could make people become too careful not to mess up this one precious shot at life that they have.

oops

as a child i was afraid i might die as a teenager i wanted to die as an adult i still wanted to die but in way that i could be absolutely nothing and never had to return.
hows that for lazy :o

race to zero point... what a fool i have been a man with out a heart is his own worst nightmare his life is merely a reflection the ugliness he sees is his own vanity the hate he feels the horror is his own creation to survive is to become it to run from it is to run from your own shadow to conform is to accept defeat and perpetuate the lie.

die ego di let our hearts melt the fear.

mmariebored

04-14-2009, 08:00 AM

oops

as a child i was afraid i might die as a teenager i wanted to die as an adult i still wanted to die but in way that i could be absolutely nothing and never had to return.
hows that for lazy :o

race to zero point... what a fool i have been a man with out a heart is his own worst nightmare his life is merely a reflection the ugliness he sees is his own vanity the hate he feels the horror is his own creation to survive is to become it to run from it is to run from your own shadow to conform is to accept defeat and perpetuate the lie.

die ego die let our hearts melt the fear.
no man is without a heart.

i can't help but to adore your writings, they're poetry that touch deeply.

give yourself a clean slate every day, if you have to, but learn to love every horrible thing about yourself, embrace it. that's the only way to get that love energy flowing.

jc1

04-15-2009, 09:47 AM

so really that seems to be something more man stated (perhaps in the name of jesus?) because heaven forbid we all are equals and do not require a middle man to our christ consciousness hehe[/quote]

hehehe, i like your "tainting the world" quote.

actually, i remember who said that about jesus not teaching reincarnation, it was osho or bhagwan shri rajneesh as he used to be known. i was into his teachings in a big way for a long time several years ago, he was my "entry level" into spirituality, he was indeed a great teacher if you could just see past the 96 rolls royces!

i have been re-reading eckhart tolle's "the power of now," & wow am i ready to integrate all that, isn't it funny how, when the student is ready, the teacher appears. anyway, i'm not digressing, i just wanted to say that tolle's writing, from the space of the unmanifest, reminds me alot of osho's work. even though osho never wrote any of his books, his lectures were just transposed by his "team," one was almost hypnotised into surrender & that is the effect "the power of now" has on me, brilliant.

rockyrojas88

04-16-2009, 02:51 AM

i havn't been on the forums for a while, just stopping by to see if there is anything that catches my eye :p

i'd like to comment by saying that deep within, we all really love ourselves and if we say we don't, we're just in denial. if it were not so, we wouldn't be so defensive or evasive in certain situations (it's the fight or flight instict). infact, i think we would be some strange bunch of aliens, hehehe.

jc1

04-17-2009, 02:39 PM

so my question is, how do you love yourself?

for example, i feel on a spiritual level, i can... but i cant seem to cut the weight of the physical from this. all my life ive struggled with weight, and even though im the first person to tell anyone that your physical vessel is not who you are... much less anyone who has an issue with how another looks are the ones that truly have the problem, not you...

oops

race to zero point... what a fool i have been a man with out a heart is his own worst nightmare his life is merely a reflection the ugliness he sees is his own vanity the hate he feels the horror is his own creation to survive is to become it to run from it is to run from your own shadow to conform is to accept defeat and perpetuate the lie.

die ego di let our hearts melt the fear.

major brain surgery has left me with an extreme facial palsy on the left side, stone deaf in my left ear & a dry left eye which i am losing the sight in.

so, the whole left side of my face hangs down, i used to be quite handsome, what an interesting lesson. people stare at me on the street & in supermarkets, kids are scared of me sometimes, unless i wear my eye patch, then they love me, thinking i'm a pirate, hehe.

so i look ill maybe but nothing could be further from the truth, i am extremely fit & healthy but daily i have to put up with people's rude staring & double takes. this is all good material to practise my course in miracles lessons on.

but i am aware, as have others written about on this thread, that we put much value on just a face. i can't wait for the summer when i can walk on the beach & show off my toned body, it's vanity i know, but what the hey, it makes up for my wonky face i guess.

it's a tough lesson & i never get used to the staring. i mean, i go out feeling full of joy sometimes but when i try to smile at people, it just looks like a smirk so i just don't catch people's eyes any more.

so i thought my spirituality would get me through this but the emotional & physical pain still gets me down on a daily basis & i have to sit down with it, again & again. i thought that it's eventually supposed to exhaust itself, this bitterness & discomfort, as long as i don't repress it, but more & more comes up until i wonder if i'm actually creating it on some level.

the specialists have offered me plastic surgery this year but i dislike hospitals & operations, what a drag, especially general anaesthetics & all the drugs that go with it.

this forum is such a comfort as there are so many people on it that see past the body & the face, it means alot to me that there are people like that out there, pity there aren't more that live in my hometown.

putting myself up for public scrutiny is maybe a way of cauterising my wounds to my self confidence, so maybe people can see & feel my joy & energy.

anyway, thanks for listening.

love & light,

jc