Concept of "All is Equal "

[Rhonda]

love is built on the concept that all is equal. we are all love in our true, real selfs. yet :)

if we are all equal, and our system of life is built on a hierarchy scale,
then how can we maintain equal as we live side by side. how can the conscious of one come together? the heart of one beat together?

does the faults lie here? a deep wound, were the adjectives are thrown ? is this 1 of the basis truths that sets us up to fail? to be equal, is to live equal. yet, our lifes are created and lived separate and have no way or system to bring us together as equal or one. it is only that higher wisdom that we find, feel and know that this concept is right and we open ourselfs to living more equally with our neighbors and neighbors of neighbors.

but were can that be seen or where does that apply?

- we each have simple, basis "needs": food, water, air, shelter, clothing, health and love
- we all have the means to create our "wants": items of conveniences; toys, activities, self expression etc.

if we meet a system that encourages success based on placing self above another, than how can we truly live and act as equal. does this not create acts of judgement, comparing and putting conditions on life as we work to come together as one people.

i think once mankind opens this door, the floor will drop and the hearts of all of us will be felt as one. this game of separation will stop :) if we can view our neighbors as equals, only dressed in a costume for this time on earth, then we might be a little more open to what and were real change must be created within ourselfs and within life on earth.

we can become one conscious, rather than many self-consciouses :)

this has been on my mind over the past few days. please share your thoughts and help me and other with your concept on "equal".

much love and clear light

[StarGirl]

what a great topic, rhonda.

i’ve often wondered about how this fits perfectly together as well… so i tried looking at the body as an example.

we have say, red blood cells, skin cells, heart cells and brain cells. we need all of these cells. they are obviously equally important for the functioning of the body… however, clearly there seems to be some kind of “positioning” occurring.

there are fewer heart and brain cells. yet having the majority of these particular cells functioning is critical to the survival of the organism.. hence, the body has a “rib cage” and “skull” to protect these slower to regenerate and more susceptible areas of cells.

skin and blood cells on the other hand seem made to be used up! they regenerate quickly and there are a lot of them.

now, human ways of comparing, for whatever reason, tend to go, “brain and heart cells more special and more important. skin and blood cells: less important.” this is some kind of “logic” i think derived from “if only a few can do it… it must mean you are “special” and one of the chosen few.”

noooo… that cell is designed exactly as it needs to be to do its function. there is “one” red blood cell manifesting as billions of cells in order to do its job. it is designed to take “hits” without really suffering (think fingernails which break off and keep growing so that they can do their function). and if that “one” blood cell is not appreciated or is abused the “one” cell could get sick: can we say something like “sickle cell disease”? trust me… with out that red blood cell, the “all important” brain and heart cells, don’t mean too much.

brain and heart cells are “positioned” in “important” areas of the body because, in this case, they need protection. they are not designed to take a lot of hits. their energy is allocated else wise so that they may do other functions.

so everybody is equal. but if you use old school human comparison based “position” or “quantity”, you might miss that. instead, one might try evaluations (cause we humans love some kind of analysis) based on actualization of purpose. in other words, does this fulfill a role/job? does the job benefit the whole? yes? then it is equally important.

translate all this to the idea of humanity as the “body” and we all the different cells. i am not attached to this little “theory” (and it is just in the toss around stage) i’ll bet there is more to know/add/clarify/adjust.… i just thought to look at microcosm to understand balance of the macrocosm.

hope to hear the ideas of others as well.

peace and love

darlyne

[Rhonda]

star girl, very interesting and well thought out example of equal without the +/-, just = working or not working together. :)

as in the body, the cells, organs, each has a job, a function to perform. some can work perfectly well without another, but are much stronger as a whole. "untity" comes to mind. they are also independant, thus "separation", but without a body (1), non of these function have a job. i would say the "spirit", "inner heart" can bridge any gaps between the brain and seat of the soul.

our vehicles in life are so amazing and provide the clues as you have written as it relates to separation and oneness., as does nature and us. i am just wondering how we can do our jobs, knowing that each is equal, regardless of our role in this life. the tend on ego has a good discussion that fits.

i just bet, before the time we were given "free will", which allowed for life of separation, their was a period in the beginning, when life 1st began, that we all were equal in creating the beauty that is seen on earth today.

separation allows for multiple actions, but the idea, i think, is for all of these actions to come back together for the grand idea of creation.

anyway, very deep in your example, it has me thinking...... many thanks

[Rhonda]

the moral to "all is equal"

live your life fully, to the best of ones ability, thus being separate, yet one with the creator in doing ones work.

each of us are important :) , if we all did our individual life jobs to the best that we know how, then all ease will follow regardless of size, condition, situation, strength, weakness, location etc., we each have a job, knowingly or not, lets continue to be the best in what we do, and the rest will come together.

and lets have fun doing it ! :)

[Eric The Viking]

if you love yourself and other selfs unconditionally the question of equality no longer exists.

[transiten]

the dalai lama says that we all have the same worth but to say that we are all "equal" is hypocricy. we are on different levels of development, consciousness and intelligence, but no mans life is more worth than another.

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[Enivid]

thanks for a very intelligent post rhonda! i resonate with what you're saying!

2012 is about creating this place where we are 1 consciousness but yet separated individuals that love eachoter and respect eachother. we will live in ways inimaginable and yet similiar to today and what we've seen in fantasy, yet its unimaginable until we're there.

i try to live with love on all moments and with all people. and more and more do! its nice to see :)

much love
- enivid

[transiten]

the dala lama also states that everybod has got the same right to seek happiness. true happiness though can only be reached by accepting suffering.

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[billybobbutterball]

the dala lama also states that everybody has got the same right to seek happiness. true happiness though can only be reached by accepting suffering.

transiten

hi, liliane...(i keep thinking of you as the "swedish nightengale"...was that the nickname for jenny lind??)

something about your comment jingles my alarm bell.

i've been under the impression that seeking happiness is a profound mistake since happiness is not a thing-in-itself but rather an incidental by-product of a life well lived.... if one concentrates rightly on the job of living the elusive happiness follows like the tail on a donkey's a$$. (:>) (sorry, couldn't resist)

i'm not sure about "accepting suffering". a friend of mine actually seeks out suffering, thinking she can help out by offering it on the alter ... thinking she is sharing/relieving jesus' suffering. some supposedly holy monks were noted for lashing their poor bodies into submission with bloodied whips... :eek: that is a heck of a way to treat their borrowed 2-d body....sheer ingratitude.:(

perhaps suffering should not be merely "accepted". if it sticks to you like a stinging mustard plaster, then regard it as a catalyst to be utilized, or decide if it a helpful wake up call that you are on the wrong course and hinting that you should change course ...the main thing is don't just helplessly sit there passively accepting it. no bonus points for stupidity no matter how well intentioned.

well, i'm not happy with the way i strung it all together above -- but i'm not going to suffer over lamenting the insufficiencies!:)

luv ya! bbb

[Bill]

bbb,

this question is an interesting one, and an elusive one. i think what transiten may have been referring to is, that in this world of duality, you can't know and experience happiness if you do not know and have experienced suffering. question is how you respond to it...

if, by accepting, you mean that we simply roll over, and let ourselves be a door mat, then i agree with you. but, that is a very eluvise lesson to overcome, as those of us that have wandered on this spiritual path have all probably done this. i know i have...

so, the breakthrough is, as you said, to be happy in every moment... even though the current moment be suffering... thus, you accept the suffering as a lesson, and be with the emotions that come with that... you can not avoid the being with it, it shows up because it is willed. if you did not accept it, that is, not realize it and embrace the lesson it offers, you are not clearing your karmic scale, and it will continue to show up...

just my .75 cents worth (figured with deflation, thats all 2 cents is worth now...).

[transiten]

hello bill and bbb

thanks bill for this clarification. the psychotherapist that interviewed the dalai lama writing about the concept of happiness in buddhism states that the dalai lama seems to be one of the happiest and harmonious persons he ever met.

accepting suffering as a part of life doesn't encompass masochism. from my perspective i don't see how one can liberate oneself from suffering if one cannot accept it? that looks like denial to me.

i cannot in words describe the hellish experiences i 've had in life and i don't have the energy and wish to anymore, but i have to accept that it took place. i don't want to suffer but you cannot liberate yourself from suffering trying to avoid the pain that is already there.

you don't overcome or avoid suffering, you transcend it.

transiten

[Bill]

transiten,

just to continue the discussion...

i think you mentioned what i was getting to, and that is how not to get trapped by the idea of acceptance... again, i think most of us that are new to awakening to this spiritual path hear this, and assume it means that we must learn how to suffer... what seems to get lost is the idea is to accept that this is a outcome to our willing for such an experience... and that, by accepting, what we really mean, is to accept that we created it, see what it offers as a lesson of a reflection of our intentions, and then to determine if it has more to offer, or if we can let it go...

it is that letting it go, that is, not attaching a judgement and guilt to that experience, that i think is what we mean by transcending. i know that was one of the tougher lessons i had to understand in the last year or so... not that i should expect to live in misery, or that i can ignore what would be considered misery, but to understand that, as part of the experience of waking up i felt i needed to experience this, and decide what it offers me.

this last year has really been a great understanding of that lesson. do not ignore the emotions that come with the experience... trick is, assuming you wish to transcend it, is not to get attached to the emotions. see what the lesson offers, determine if it is guiding you to another way of being or sets of experiences, and if not... let that feeling go...

so simple, and yet, so difficult...

my blessings to all of you currently stumbling through this lesson... i hope you 'learn your lesson'... so to speak...

[Rhonda]

bill, powerful clue, don't let your emotional wants/needs be an addiction. powerful advise


. .. trick is, assuming you wish to transcend it, is not to get attached to the emotions. see what the lesson offers, determine if it is guiding you to another way of being or sets of experiences, and if not... let that feeling go... so simple, and yet, so difficult...

my blessings to all of you currently stumbling through this lesson... i hope you 'learn your lesson'... so to speak...

transiten, i too so like the ways of the dalai lama, what i felt in the shows i have watched of him, is love, just love being stronger than any other force and he is able to hold it in all situation, conditions in life.

erik, i connect to what you say, love yourself and others .... i see the connection to all is equal.

last night, as i thought through the comments, i was reminded of moses and israelites. remember the idol, the golden calf, the israelities created to worship as their god. they needed something external to worship and created this idol (golden calf). they dd not know how to value themselves as equals and worthly of ones love, and needed something external and a false figure they could equally share and love.

" do not have any other gods before me " - doesn't this imply to not worship another, but the god within each of us ? love yourself, because when you do, you are loving the god within you., the equal & connection we all have to the one source.