Animal-based ETs?

[Mikazo]

i was listening to david's (and clifford stone's) recent talks about the varying types of ets, and am curious about the fact that they are reportedly all humanoid and look very much like us. this tends to give the impression that the creator and all our et buddies are somewhat anthropocentric, or human chauvinists, which i'm kinda sad to see. you suppose there are any intelligent ets that are based off of animal species (besides possibly the reptilians or "praying mantis" ones)?

[ayadew]

there were some entities from another planet, which destroyed themselves and then chose to reincarnate here as 2nd density. ra said this somewhere... they are big-foot and some humanoid-ish creatures living in a jungle somewhere.

[yossarian]

i was listening to david's (and clifford stone's) recent talks about the varying types of ets, and am curious about the fact that they are reportedly all humanoid and look very much like us. this tends to give the impression that the creator and all our et buddies are somewhat anthropocentric, or human chauvinists, which i'm kinda sad to see. you suppose there are any intelligent ets that are based off of animal species (besides possibly the reptilians or "praying mantis" ones)?

repitilians are no more animal than hairless apes.

us humans are based on the ape animal, the reptilians are based on reptiles. but both are equally "human" because all 3rd density life in this galaxy has the design of being humanoid.

animals don't have opposable thumbs and large brains and don't walk upright and have significantly less dexterity in their hands and don't have the same propensity for language, etc. these attributes are necessary for 3rd density experiences, which is why all 3rd density incarnations are in humanoid bodies. it's not chauvinist to recognize the difference between humans and animals.

[Vermillion]

i have thought the same thing mikazo.

i would love to see a cat/human breed myself. the thought of an intelligent extra terrestrial feline humanoid just tickles my fancy for some reason.

[christincook]

i've heard from various channeled sources that our human forms evolve out of a variety of initial forms. in our case it may have been apes, but i've heard of cases where its been reptilian and feline :) we might start out in a more animal-ish form... but will end up in the humanoid form after evolution takes its course. david has even talked bout some humanoids possibly evolving from plants!!!

however, there are numerous ancient sources which speak of the cetaceans as being the most evolved and ancient intelligences on our planet; and clearly they have not evolved into the humanoid form. it has even been said that when the ets first came to this planet, they needed to obtain permission from the cetaceans ;) go flipper!!!

[estopatitiana]

ive thought of this until i realize that it is only for our galaxy. so in other galaxies there are all kinds of cool things out there.

[Mikazo]

the question still is, why is the human form necessarily better? animals have a lot of advantages humans don't have; fur, being more in-tune with the environment, etc etc.. it is relatively easy to conceive of humanoid forms of existing animals today that would be capable of human activity. i wonder why it hasn't been done yet.


i've heard from various channeled sources that our human forms evolve out of a variety of initial forms. in our case it may have been apes, but i've heard of cases where its been reptilian and feline :) we might start out in a more animal-ish form... but will end up in the humanoid form after evolution takes its course. david has even talked bout some humanoids possibly evolving from plants!!!

however, there are numerous ancient sources which speak of the cetaceans as being the most evolved and ancient intelligences on our planet; and clearly they have not evolved into the humanoid form. it has even been said that when the ets first came to this planet, they needed to obtain permission from the cetaceans ;) go flipper!!!

[Mikazo]

i don't see any reason why that couldn't work. i think a few people have even reported such a thing.


i have thought the same thing mikazo.

i would love to see a cat/human breed myself. the thought of an intelligent extra terrestrial feline humanoid just tickles my fancy for some reason.

[conundrum]

lizards can regrow a limb such as a tail a trait that may be use full if one loses a leg or a hand, apparently babe human can regrow a finger above the knuckle if lost at a young age.

the bodies that we are currently walking around in would probably function a whole lot better if we fed them some thing that would boost our bodies abilities to conduct energy.
theres enough different races of humans as it is eliminate racism and all the racial tensions
on the planet before letting any one else or thing else loose on the planet.

cat people dog people mouse people maybe watch tv or go to the movies if you want to see those sorts of thing... walking around and mingling and relating with what we already have on this lovely planet of ours is enough for me, scientists have genetically modified animals to grow human parts already dont give them any more idea's !!!

[Berry Chastain]

in the law of one, session 19, ra discusses the reasons that humanity is in the form it is. i think that when they were speaking, they refered to most if not all 3rd density self-aware entities. the discussion below doesn't completely address why, at least in our galaxy, the logos is predisposed to use the bipedal, upright, form with opposable thumb as a template for humanity (of all kinds) but it does provide some mechanism that were used to encourage spiritual evolution toward service to others polarity.

"questioner: where did the second-density beings get physical vehicles of third-density type to incarnate into?

ra: i am ra. there were among those upon this second-density plane those forms which when exposed to third-density vibrations became the third-density, as you would call sound vibration, “human,” entities.

that is, there was loss of the body hair, as you call it, the clothing of the body to protect it, the changing of the structure of the neck, the jaw, and forehead in order to allow the easier vocalization, and the larger cranial development characteristic of third-density needs. this was a normal transfiguration.

questioner: over approximately how long a period of time was this transfiguration? it must have been very short.

ra: i am ra. the assumption is correct, in our terms at least—within a generation and one-half, as you know these things. those who had been harvested of this planet were able to use the newly-created physical complex of chemical elements suitable for third-density lessons.

questioner: can you tell me how this new bodily complex was suited to third-density lessons and what those lessons were?

ra: i am ra. there is one necessity for third density. that necessity is self-awareness, or self-consciousness. in order to be capable of such, this chemical complex of body must be capable of the abstract thought. thus, the fundamental necessity is the combination of rational and intuitive thinking. this was transitory in the second-density forms operating largely upon intuition which proved through practice to yield results.

the third-density mind was capable of processing information in such a way as to think abstractly and in what could be termed “useless” ways, in the sense of survival. this is the primary requisite.

there are other important ingredients: the necessity for a weaker physical vehicle to encourage the use of the mind, the development of the already present awareness of the social complex. these also being necessary: the further development of physical dexterity in the sense of the hand, as you call this portion of your body complex.

questioner: this seems to be a carefully planned or engineered stage of development. can you tell me anything of the origin of this plan for the development?

ra: i am ra. we go back to previous information. consider and remember the discussion of the logos. with the primal distortion of free will, each galaxy developed its own logos. this logos has complete free will in determining the paths of intelligent energy which promote the lessons of each of the densities given the conditions of the planetary spheres and the sun bodies.

questioner: i will make a statement with respect to my understanding, then, and ask if i am correct. there is a, what i would call, a physical catalyst operating at all times upon the entities in third density. i assume this operates approximately the same way in second density. it is a catalyst that acts through what we call pain and emotion. is the primary reason for the weakening of the physical body and the elimination of body hair, et cetera, so that this catalyst would act more strongly upon the mind and therefore create the evolutionary process?

ra: i am ra. this is not entirely correct, although closely associated with the distortions of our understanding.

consider, if you will, the tree for instance. it is self-sufficient. consider, if you will, the third-density entity. it is self-sufficient only through difficulty and deprivation. it is difficult to learn alone for there is a built-in handicap, at once the great virtue and the great handicap of third density. that is the rational/intuitive mind.

thus, the weakening of the physical vehicle, as you call it, was designed to distort entities towards a predisposition to deal with each other. thus, the lessons which approach a knowing of love can be begun.

this catalyst then is shared between peoples as an important part of each self’s development as well as the experiences of the self in solitude and the synthesis of all experience through meditation. the quickest way to learn is to deal with other-selves. this is a much greater catalyst than dealing with the self. dealing with the self without other-selves is akin to living without what you would call mirrors. thus, the self cannot see the fruits of its being-ness. thus, each may aid each by reflection. this is also a primary reason for the weakening of the physical vehicle, as you call the physical complex. "

[Mikazo]

where's the diversity though, if everyone is basically human?

it's like, you mean to tell me we have over 50 known types of ets around here, and they all look like us? it strikes me as boring and unoriginal. wouldn't there be some advantage to having a more diverse array of beings? not that i'm complaining, i just don't really get it.

then again, i guess we don't know exactly what all is out there. so far we're hearing a lot about the 50+ et types that we know about.


lizards can regrow a limb such as a tail a trait that may be use full if one loses a leg or a hand, apparently babe human can regrow a finger above the knuckle if lost at a young age.

the bodies that we are currently walking around in would probably function a whole lot better if we fed them some thing that would boost our bodies abilities to conduct energy.
theres enough different races of humans as it is eliminate racism and all the racial tensions
on the planet before letting any one else or thing else loose on the planet.

cat people dog people mouse people maybe watch tv or go to the movies if you want to see those sorts of thing... walking around and mingling and relating with what we already have on this lovely planet of ours is enough for me, scientists have genetically modified animals to grow human parts already dont give them any more idea's !!!

[christincook]

where's the diversity though, if everyone is basically human?

it's like, you mean to tell me we have over 50 known types of ets around here, and they all look like us? it strikes me as boring and unoriginal. wouldn't there be some advantage to having a more diverse array of beings? not that i'm complaining, i just don't really get it.

then again, i guess we don't know exactly what all is out there. so far we're hearing a lot about the 50+ et types that we know about.

i'm gonna go with berry chastain :) he elaborated on what i was going to say as far as our galaxy choosing the basic bipedal humanoid form as it's evolutionary vehicle of choice.

i can understand what you're saying about the lack of diversity, but for me it makes sense that there is a basic "blueprint" for each galaxy. it would be cool if we had some more cat people around here though ;)

[estopatitiana]

the idea about "cat people" goes back to a question i had on another thread. depending on what second density you evolve from some will predispose you to a more negative polarity. like the cats for example, they are predators, 95% of thier diet is meat. so if you evolve from this you too will have to eat lots of meat, and therefore if a whole planet had third density such as this there would be lots of killing.

even today evolving from apes you have humans who hunt and eat meat because "we are on top of the food web" or that "it is our heritage".

whereas if our closest ancestor were ungulates (like cows), or even gorillas, it would likely be much more peacful. because many plants enjoy being eaten.

[Mikazo]

i see. do we mostly concern ourselves with this galaxy then, in these discussions?

it could be why nobody has mentioned it yet.


i'm gonna go with berry chastain :) he elaborated on what i was going to say as far as our galaxy choosing the basic bipedal humanoid form as it's evolutionary vehicle of choice.

i can understand what you're saying about the lack of diversity, but for me it makes sense that there is a basic "blueprint" for each galaxy. it would be cool if we had some more cat people around here though ;)

[Berry Chastain]

just a brief comment about over 50 types of et looking like us. one of the individuals speaking on these various ets (from personal experience, pm me for the name) explained that these people range in size from 2.5 feet tall to 15 feet. they come in every imaginable color from white to ebony,orange blue and leaf green. many look extremely human and might not be recognized as et whereas others are obviously not earth human. but the think is that they all are humanoid in appearance and have smooth skin, no ridges or bony growth on their skulls, (ie. no klingons), hands with five or six fingers. as with all of nature, there is an abundance of variety and individual manifestations of the one. i don't think it would be boring at all to attend a conference of representatives of those 57 races of our galactic family. in fact downright inspiring. one other comment, in most cases we wouldn't have to learn any unpronouncable languages, most of them are telepathic and communicate that way although many of them do use speech when necessary.

[noppy]

the only thing that is original to this earth are plants and some animals. the rest are e.t.'s . and nobody is an e.t. to this earth cause everybody is made out of the same energy that made the earth and us.

our souls don't belong to this universe and our souls do belong to this universe cause we created it with our energy.

reality is an illusion it's just thoughts formed in energy formed into matter.
dreams are realy it's just thought formed in energy formed into matter.

this is our reality and our imagination

don't you think we are awesome and amazing. we have evolved so much and so high that we are 2,4,10 maybe 1000 things at the same time. imagine what would happen if we are aware of it.

[conundrum]

an upright standing reptilian in pursuit of a human i hope the camera man is ok ?? :eek:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1zatx4z0pu

moderator: not really on the topic but cute, cute, cute :)

[Cotton]

in my understanding humanoid doesn't mean like humans, but possessing bipedal bodies with opposable thumbs. can't remember where but i read that these characteristics were to create a bias towards physical use of tools and whatnot instead of actively pursuing use of the powers of the mind to move, build, etc. the same source i believe it was, also stated that some entities evolved from plants instead of animals and therefore have a much easier time obtaining the calm of meditation to the point that things like hovering were more natural than physical activities.

in no way do i think this means that these humanoids could not be drastically different as evolving from a different creature would create drastically different results, as long as they met the specified criteria.

[rubbe]

i think that just because a creature is biped does not make it human at all. thats like saying all creatures in the sea are fish and have the same appearance and behavior/intelligence. :confused: there are plenty of different alien life that dont look like human at all.

[momlvsducks]

i heard david mention that he didn't used to believe in reptillians - he also said he was uncomfortable discussing reptillians.

i've tried to do searches and came up pretty much empty.

i would like to know more about reptillians - including what they look like and what they do.

[kundalini]

this is something i've tried to look into myself. there are a lot of resources online about different races and such. some of it quite detailed. but i am at a loss to know what stuff is credible etc. its not really important information i guess in the grand scheme of things. but these little details are whats fun and cool in this incarnation in my opinion.

[11wanderer11]

i heard david mention that he didn't used to believe in reptillians - he also said he was uncomfortable discussing reptillians.

i've tried to do searches and came up pretty much empty.

i would like to know more about reptillians - including what they look like and what they do.

i'd say david icke is pretty much the undisputed authority on reptilians. might want to check out some of his videos and books.

[moderator: please note that mr. icke deals with many fear-filled ideas that may affect someone negatively]

[taeko]

i just want to tell something about the reptilians, since there is alot of fear and misconception about it.

when it comes down on the reptilian race it isn't about positive or negative reactions or how the message is sended. it's about the truth. like everything in the universe.

but it isn't an subject you can easly accept as you accept whatever they tell about the pleiadians race or the arcturian race. the truth is the truth. if you are not ready to face this subject than just wait or never think about it. till you know and master that fear cannot controll your heart.

i'm not trying to scare some one but people click and hear things without being prepared, often without knowing that it can scare them. they spread the fear instead of spreading the knowledge with calmness and understanding. so that others have a clear mind to choose for them self if they should fear it or change it.

[Natho]

it was stated by ra, when posed the question of diversity, that other galaxies (and third density life therein) do not differ too much from that of our own bipedal human forms.
in a trivial sence, one could assume that evolution is almost a one way lane as it takes form in order to express that of its conciouse necessity.

by example; say from the evolving ape form, it was necessary to eventually form dextariouse limbs/hands/feet. the ape form is relative to its necessity, for it needed the opposable thumb to climb, grasp in order to climb, grab food (even apes that eventually used tools such as the rock and stick which we see today).

they do not speak, obviously, but a gesture can say many things as we well know. apes hug eachother, for comfort/acceptance of another, and this is love/acknowledgment. we are the same, just upgrades so to speak.

insects require a more refined view in order to relate; the spider. it seems a solo creature, yet it is aware it must feed. to do this, it creates a form of geometry, which we could not do at a young age with accuracy, yet the spider is accurate by necessity. they are, what you could say, the more direct users of sound and vibrations. to mate, they perform ritualistic. the 'wolf spider' dances for the female, to calm and signify its intentions. other spiders, on approaching females, send vibratory signals through the web via 'rubbing' the web. yes, spiders may eat eachother, but this is also seen as necessity after mating, necessary in the case that the female will require food for the young and herself in the process of reproduction, it all plays its part.

reptiles; strangely enough, they may seem lesser than the insect in technique, but differ no less in that of necessity. they dance/ritualise that which is an expression of interest/necessity. territorial wise, they differ no less than the average human in this sence, though more direct indeed. the 'chamelion' (if i spelled it right) has an opposable thumb, due to its necessity in that it is a cretaure of disguise and moves slowly, but accuratley. sadly, it has only 3 fingers inclueding the thumb, so it will not shake your hand so to speak ;). reptiles use sound vibratons, like birds, in communication, along with displays of head bobbing in some forms.

as for the idea of animal based et's, absolutley. they would differ only in the sence that thier environment would be unlike ours, but would carry the same principles of necessity like the creatures of earth. why not intelligent reptiles like humans you may ask?

consider you may not be too far from the truth. e.g; a stormy atmosphere with sandy minerals which were ever present in the wind (like sandblasting) would require the humanoid form to adhere by developing tough, possibly reptillian like skin, to overcome the weather system. we could even say, like a lizard, has several eyelids to see through the gritty weather when outside. it may not consider itself reptillian in nature, because it is humanoid with humanoid necessities like our own. there may be more water present on thier world, thus creating webed feet like the reptile. ra would call this a 'trivial' difference.
because we know only of our own world and the creatures within, we force a relation unto that which we are yet to understand. so, this humanoid comes to visit, we refer it to the reptile due to its appearance, then we realise it is humanoid in nature.

would you call this a reptile or human? would they call us walking jellyfish or human?
as for being scared, im not sure where this fits in, i guess this is a case of "to each thier own". australia (my origin) is very diverse in life, also dangerouse life. to me, this is a norm, so there is no fear. the more you are in contact, the more you understand.

you see, evolved as we have become, we are still very simple creatures. to not understand should not be to fear. does the garden lizard not run for cover when approached? it is not that it fears you. simple as the creature may seem, it is well aware of 'hierarchy', so it assumes you are in a position to 'eat' it. and in the interest of self preservation, well, you can assume the rest.

nice topic.:d