Obama and the New World [Archive] - Divine Cosmos Discussions

StarGirl

08-25-2008, 06:19 PM

well... hello!

i am new (my first post) to the divine cosmos blog, but i'll get off to a running start.

i have listened to several youtubes of david's talks and found them exciting, invigorating and cutting edge. his spirituality for the "left half of your brain" matches well with the wisdom depth sincere speak of his heart. there is one point, i was ecstatic (and like relieved, i mean, "finally!") to hear about which i will address today. there was another chick on youtube who also spoke of a vivid dream with the democratic nominee being a man. it was said that this person had a special book which dealt with manifesting. a technology that he had access to. she was at a table with several beings and a large book was on the table. she felt so strongly about her dream she put it on youtube months ago but i no longer have the link and can’t find it.

i keep being really surprised more "spirit" folks aren't picking up positively on obama. as david has mentioned, obama seems to be quite active in dreamtime and i have seen obama several times (in dream) and he seems to meet regularly with folks up there, say thank you at critical junctures completed and make further plans of action. so i was really surprised to see so many people (not just here, lots of places) so lukewarm to downright negative.

[something i noticed on this blog in particular was the constant reference to obama being illuminati.... (yes, yes 13th cousin to cheney aside)... i mean, really are there any black people deep in the inner circles on the illuminati? really? i could have sworn it was all/mostly white folks. (blue eyed blonde being thee best) i mean, i am kinda laughing again... i am not being rude... i don't know... maybe that was kinda of naive question? it's just been my experience and understanding that if you got a little color, you’re not really ever gonna get "in" with groups such as that. i just laugh... hey... maybe affirmative action is working!! ok... moving on...]

so, i too, get very clearly that it would be very useful to have obama in office to go through 2012. i base this on my own interpretation of my own data of 1) intuition 2) dreamtime 3) aura flash.

intuition-self explanatory. dream: i will share one. from april 17, 2008.

in dream, i am half waking up and i say to my dad (as he is entering the house), "i am right in the new world i dreamed, right where i want to be where everything is as i wished." ("wished" being: there was a peace and happiness. people interacted with each other in calm and present momentness. many had jobs and homes and purpose that fulfilled them and everyone was excited about the future. picture this: a 20-40% increase in life quality across the broad in most major areas related to living and functioning in society for most had come to pass already. so much had changed for the better so far, and yet, all knew it was going to and continuing to improve and get better. so there was hope and fulfilled expectation.) and what i saw was that obama was president. (in the dream, i seem to understand that, him being president, was one of the major points to drawing this picture together.) it continues....

.... misty, cloudy... and i can see obama's other self-- a thin, tall being with a 2-3 foot neck. graceful, wise, kind, patient and slow. several of his race (of starperson) were there in a clump. all with long necks signifying ability to gather vision. this particular star race (i knew) was renowned throughout much of the universe for its ambassadorial, leadership and mediator skills. there are often sought after for these areas in cases where much is at stake. it could be said, "their long necks allowed them to "see far" while their feet skill walk upon a grounded surface."

as the three or so of them walked toward me, the one in front, who i knew to be obama’s soul said, "we have our heads in the clouds so that we can see where we are going." take that phrase in for a second.

i had such a sense of wonder... happiness to really have made it here.

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anyway, so i really can't see what people are being so sluggish about. i know this is long, but bare with me... i am actually looking around and i am not sure everyone sees the train coming. and i am a bit like... "ok people."
hello, we blink and let that mccain train hit us and i don't think it's gonna be a pretty picture at all. so if any of this can help motivate people with gifts into serious gear i am happy to write it.

this is why i was so glad to hear someone else was getting the obama info... please don't anyone take this the wrong way, but obama seems so "bright/ loud/ clear" etc... i can't see why more people don't see him.... one way or another... with their hearts or their minds or dreams or you’re just tired of bush.... i hear the polls have it pretty close…. i’m like…”how?”

one thing that really also confirmed it for me was before dreams. aura flash. obama and clinton debates. i think this is worthy to mention: it was only in response to people in the audience responding/ resonating with a truth spoken by obama. to be clear, i never saw it as a "power up" to respond to clinton. (i feel this to be a very important detail of positive integrity which i won't go into ) he would speak about something that he really believed in with passion from his heart and with strength (because it was a debate)... if/as the audience affirmed his statement i saw his aura go out and brighten. (i could go on as to my understanding as to why it does that, but this post is sooo long already) . anyhow, i saw this twice in separate debates so if i’d missed it once, i definitely got it the second time. no i don’t see auras all the time.

ten (10) weeks... for anyone still out there listening. i hope this didn't come off preachy or off topic. i really hope it will get people focusing and lending their energy and strength and attention at the critical junctures to help push in the new world... sometimes there at "handles" or anchors or highly concentrated synchronic points- that it is useful to focus on and singularly really pin down. big picture- good. however, sometimes it is useful to nail down the tent spikes, yes?

that is all... hope i have not bored you all too much. :0)

much love

darlyne

Rhonda

08-25-2008, 07:50 PM

welcome stargirl, i too, see obama's pure heart of gold. his passion is real. he truly wants to make a change and take this country forward.

i also feel, he enbarks on e. cayce's reading of ra-ta
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let's don't forget the thesis, or the key for which all of this understanding had come: that there might be a closer relationship of man to the creator, and of man to man

i believe he knows and see each of us as we are. "i am that i am " and is doing his best to live by this.

i keep being really surprised more "spirit" folks aren't picking up positively on obama. as david has mentioned, obama seems to be quite active in dreamtime and i have seen obama several times (in dream) and he seems to meet regularly with folks up there, say thank you at critical junctures completed and make further plans of action. so i was really surprised to see so many people (not just here, lots of places) so lukewarm to downright negative.

this is why i was so glad to hear someone else was getting the obama info...
one thing that really also confirmed it for me was before dreams.

he offers balance, faith and trust in one another again and maybe, actually maybe for the 1st time in american's lifes. a person that can see our world as a better place, equal and just.

enjoy the site and the wonderful people here. we all have something to share, teach, learn from one another and this site does a great job of allowing us to expand our wisdom.

peace !

jslittlegirlie

08-25-2008, 08:21 PM

for myself, if what david says is true than i will vote for obama myself, but there is evidence out there that one can find with not hardly any digging to keep him from being president (the main one being that he is not a us citizen) unless positive forces step in and prevent it. i will take a wait and see approach until after the convention this week.

jeremy6d

08-25-2008, 08:46 PM

i'm gonna have to disagree with you strongly on this one. obama seems very much more of the same (though he has a great marketing staff). he voted in favor of fisa and telecom spying immunity - despite his opposition to it prior to winning the nomination. he's spoken belligerently towards iran. he's for escalating the war in afghanistan and national service.

nothing personal towards obama - i'm sure he's no worse than most politicians. but i find the cult of personality surrounding obama creepy - and the conflation of spirituality with his campaign is rather distasteful. no politician is going to save us - we're going to have to do the work ourselves. looking to leaders for inspiration hasn't really worked out in the past.

he may be great in the dream world, but when we all wake up he's a politician. nobody gets to be a candidate for president without being vetted by some pretty bad guys. no need to resort to conspiracy theory - just look at who's sponsoring the convention in denver. i think politics is important, but electoral politics is pretty much theater: which wing of the ruling class do you prefer?

The Wonderer

08-25-2008, 09:32 PM

i like david, i really do. but i don't know if i agree with him on obama being someone who will help us shift in 2012. i have heard many reports on him being part of the global elite's evil agenda and him being up for the war against the east. hopefully he proves us wrong and actually helps change this nation for the better.

in my opinion, john f kennedy was the last real president.

johnasmodeus

08-25-2008, 11:11 PM

i'm with you, stargirl.

personally, i find what people are saying about obama ludicrous.
first, the plan was to have mccain run against clinton so that he would have a believable win. (elections have ceased being about majority vote and are, since 2000 at the very least, now based on nothing more than making the "fix" believable enough to avoid outright rebellion. i, and bill hicks, can prove this on an etch-a-sketch.) but then we chose somebody who would actually fight back, and this scares the bejeezus out of the gop.

now, since they really can't make anything stick to obama, their campaign is becoming nothing more than, "hey, look! you think obama is the messiah, but he's not! he's not perfect, so vote for mccain instead. he's not perfect either, and in fact he's a much weaker candidate, and probably halfway to dementia praecox by now, but he won't disappoint you as much when he screws up, because you already expect that of him, while you think obama is ninja jesus christ leading an army of t. rexes. so vote mccain. he won't break your heart like obama will."

when you actually step back and look at these kinds of arguments for what they are, you can't help but want to vote for obama. even if he's not perfect, and you don't like him, you'd still be crazy to vote for mccain.

unless you honestly believe that the world has gotten better under bush. if you can look me in the eye and honestly say that you believe that, then go ahead and vote mccain. and then send me some of whatever you've been smoking for the past eight years.

Tenet Nosce

08-26-2008, 12:02 AM

imho. . . whomever gets "elected" as the next president of the united states has little bearing upon the events which will transpire over the next four years.

i think that people would do well to expand their view of these events to the point where it is realized that there are much larger forces at play here than can be ascribed to the office of the president.

whether or not all americans will have universal access to prescribed poisons, or if they will get a tax rebate check that will allow them to make one more mortgage payment before the initiation of foreclosure proceedings is rather irrelevant in the big scheme of things.

humanity has set sail to cross a vast ocean, and a storm is setting in. now is not the time to debate whether the ballast shall be painted blue or red.

corie blunt

08-26-2008, 12:26 AM

lol star girl you had me cracking up with the whole no black people in the illuminiti. probably more so cause im black myself, but really i bet there is a few. africa is going though alot of crap and it wouldnt surprise me one bit if there were some black africans who "souled out";).

ive jumped around on voting for obama quiet a bit. i heard about him from my girlfriend when i was 19 back in 03 and didnt pay much attention to him. (she was all like "this guy on oprah is gonna be the president".. i should have listened). about 6 months ago i was dead set against voting for him. really i was dead set against voting for anyone cause i had completely given up on the government but really i think that was more of me being angry :mad: at the system. now as i look back it was kinda childish and while i dont believe that hes the anwser to all, i really think he can help nudge things in the right directions...if he doesnt get picked off.
(which i really dont know if anyone will have the balls to do that cus thats just about asking for start potential riots and highten racial tentions... trust me, folks are putting alot of hope into this man (which i only hope they eventually learn to put into one another and into themself)...but hey it is the illuminiti, right?)

i had a couple of dreams with him myself but they were really off the wall. lol actually for like the past month all my dreams have been off the wall"

i was in this basement and there was a party going on then obama came down and started throwing muffins at people....i wasnt lying when i said off the wall. well i guess its symbolism

meganarline

08-26-2008, 05:08 AM

being a canadian i can't vote, but at this point i would feel a whole lot more comfortable with obama than with mccain.

welcome to the forum stargirl.

megan

StarGirl

08-26-2008, 08:36 AM

StarGirl

08-26-2008, 08:51 AM

enjoy the site and the wonderful people here. we all have something to share, teach, learn from one another and this site does a great job of allowing us to expand our wisdom.

thanks for the wise words. thanks to folks for all of your replies and comments and welcomings. :)

i was just presenting one view... i tend to go with an attitude of if you talk to a person long enough and get to the heart of what they are trying to express to you, we are all speaking some portion or the truth and just trying to be acknowledged. "hey, see my part! you can choose to believe what you want later, but at least see my part!"

so in that vain, thanks for all the agreements and thanks for all the disagreements.

(hey, be thankful for your critics.. they will point out all of your blindspots!)

peace and love

darlyne

corie blunt

08-26-2008, 01:27 PM

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but is was a real comment from me of which i have no knowledge.. perhaps it is just my assumption that surely there must not be too many people of color in the illuminati. it is an assupmtion that could be incorrect. i somehow thought i had heard that the illuminati had a specific genetic preference that they tried to aim for (the 13 families and all that intermarrying, though accidents always happen) so i guess that is where i got that idea. by all means, anybody of any color can be doing good or not doing good.

peace

darlyne

if my belief is correct the illuminati is bigger then the 13 families. i think the 13 families are just the heads and that there are more memeber who are assocaited down the line. i know there are black people high up in the free mason society.. (well high enought to meet with the head of state in thailand) which i think are directly connected to the illuminati, weather the members know it or not.

billybobbutterball

08-26-2008, 02:08 PM

[quote=stargirl;37652]well... hello!

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[something i noticed on this blog in particular was the constant reference to obama being illuminati.... (yes, yes 13th cousin to cheney aside)... i mean, really are there any black people deep in the inner circles on the illuminati? really? i could have sworn it was all/mostly white folks. (blue eyed blonde being thee best) i mean, i am kinda laughing again... i am not being rude... i don't know... maybe that was kinda of naive question? it's just been my experience and understanding that if you got a little color, you’re not really ever gonna get "in" with groups such as that. i just laugh... hey... maybe affirmative action is working!! ok... moving on...]

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hi, star girl

couldn't help grin concerning your remark about "blue eyed blond" illuminati since the top dog rulers just happen to be nicknamed "the black nobility".:d

as i understand it, the ruling class and the rothschild extended family are at the top, mere major bankers and industrial kingpins that have been propped up in place are second tier, while the assorted puppet leaders of nations are far down the slope and take the bronze.

the "black" adjective is in reference to their italian (and there-a-bouts )bloodline admixture -- not meant to describe their spiritual aura.:rolleyes:

love & cheers! billybobbutterblood

corie blunt

08-26-2008, 02:31 PM

[quote=billybobbutterball;37706
the "black" adjective is in reference to their italian (and there-a-bouts )bloodline admixture -- not meant to describe their spiritual aura.:rolleyes:

love & cheers! billybobbutterblood[/quote]

yeah they are all sicilion:p so they got some of that black moorish blood:d

The Wonderer

08-26-2008, 03:36 PM

so is obama apart of the illuminati or is he a positive free mason who has positive views and probably knows the evil agendas. i am certainly confused.:confused:

jeremy6d

08-27-2008, 08:13 AM

i couldn't care less whether or not obama is illuminati - in fact, i don't think that's really germane to the conversation. the question is not whether he's a "good guy" or a "bad guy", but whether his candidacy is spiritually significant. my take on that is, if there's any spiritual significance to his candidacy, it doesn't come from him personally, but rather what he represents. in other words, his campaign is merely one symbol in a world of symbols, and we shouldn't conflate the political flesh-and-blood man with the symbolism.

i have to admit a bit of confusion that anybody here would take any politician at their word, above and beyond the symbolism of their place in world events.

Alex777

08-27-2008, 05:01 PM

i think really you just got to look at obama and ask if it's possible that he is more open to positive influence, than the likes of mccain, bush and co. ?

my feeling is that as we accelerate towards 2012, obama may well be in a place mentally\spiritually that will not allow corruption and greed lead the way anymore, a gigantic leap forward i think you'll agree. and certainly it will not be easy to get the black projects out in the open without some sort of fuss. or rescue the economy from drug money, corruption and oil dependency. but we are an ingenious crowd when we actually focus our efforts onto something, especially something that is likely to save our planet!

according to the mayans, and i think they had a greater understanding of time than we can even imagine, they see us in the cycle of ethics at the moment, which is overwriting the old cycle of power, so if you're using power to exploit people rather than serve them, you will not fit into the upcoming world of ethical use of power. i see obama fitting into this more so than mccain, but bear in mind that everything could change tomorrow, in fact it will change, infinitely........ twice.

im not saying the first things obama is gonna do is come out with an alien by his side and announce that 'we're approaching a divine convergence, our friends are here to help us through it, here's free energy to use, and finally a hoverboard just like back to the future ii, enjoy....any questions?'

but i am suggesting he might be a step in the right direction

StarGirl

08-27-2008, 09:14 PM

woooow....!

i had no idea this went so deep on this website/ forum. i just found/ glanced over the david blog titled, "the power elite do not control obama".

folks are downright scrappin' on this one, aren’t they!

usually when i see such a complete and total divergence of view on a topic, in which informed, heartfelt and insightful folks are involved on both sides, i note it as a timeline cross point.

basically, this is two near equal strength timelines that are intersecting. so, at the point where people are deciding which way to believe (which timeline to ride out to result on), elements of beliefs, observations, "proof" and potential outcomes of both timelines exist concurrently within the juncture point.

who knows if this will make sense to anyone, but i’ll throw it out there:

all possible futures potentially exist in one timeline or another, in one decision or another, in one choice of belief or another.

the trick, merely as i see it, is to determine if you feel your particular belief, will take you to your desired goal. if it does not, i would suggest 1) choosing a different belief or 2) learning to be comfortable with and at peace with where the fulfillment of your belief will take you.

the goal is peace, however you get there, so be it.

some folks say sometime like, “obama may be in their pocket, but i’m just going hope that it still is part of the path to leading us to a new peaceful world.” there is some vagueness in there, but it still works on leading to peace… good enough, they are happy.

some folks try for something like, “nope, he’s elite and all politicians are evil.” ok. i hope they will insert at some point what then is their belief of a path to the new world. (hopefully, it is one that allows for ease of passage for the most people or at least for themselves. and hopefully, then, they are and feel peace at the prospect of the fulfillment of their belief.)

so, i suppose, i must humbly submit…. perhaps the idea of a feeling that of the infinite permutations of choice available… many of the ones that turned out positive for the most people, somehow involved a benevolent obama… it is a highly concentrated synchronic point.

that does potentially ring of judgment though… “my picture turns out good.. yours doesn’t!” so, again, i say, the exact belief is not so important: when what you believe gives you a feeling of true peace, i feel you are going in the right direction… whatever the belief (at least for you) you are “right”!

much love again,

darlyne

leo scone

08-28-2008, 06:47 AM

i think the idea that the president alone can actually create the kind of huge and substantive change that we need to create a viable society (what we are in now seems, at least on the very apparent surface, to not be viable) is highly over-rated. if obama becomes prez and we see major positive change occur it will be because umpteen other people at all levels of government, industry, and society make that change possible. that his bright and shining aura might inspire many to such ends is extremely positive, after a fashion. and if the people are ready and create such change it is a sign of the times, ala the mayan calendar, a greater energy moving through us all, as todd rundgren wrote in one song, a "world-wide epiphany." barack would just be a more mediated version of this, a reflection of the hologram, a symbol then for what we must accomplish. we can see this in him if we wish, but we dare not then say, "oh, he'll do it all, he'll take care of us." if we raise him as a bright and shining symbol, and then indeed through the efforts of the many we do take a sharp turn for the better in the world, we can let him shine, but we had best assume the credit (having done the work) or, good or bad in the moment, we have handed over our personal power again.

the president is simply a figure-head. question is, whose?

world-wide epiphany now!!!

FooSnik

08-28-2008, 10:54 AM

it is just so hard to trust anyone these days. i would like to trust him but his connection with george soros troubles me.

what is everyone's take on that?

MindOverEverything

08-28-2008, 12:03 PM

i see obama as kind of a lotus flower in the swamp of politics. he has great potential, and he hasn't "sold his soul" like most every other politician. but...he's still in the middle of that swamp, and in order to achieve his goals, he will have to associate with some of the swamp creatures…like his new running mate, joe biden.

he is going to have a difficult path to travel once he does become president. (honestly, only hard core brain washed republicans who “don’t want a democrat in the white house” will vote for mccain).

so yes, he’s certainly “a” better choice and has more potential for bringing humanity back to the white house, but my optimism for him is tempered by the fact that he will be continually pulled at by the swamp creatures to play the game their way. i hope that he can shine his light brightly enough to show the swamp people a greater truth.

kickleeoutthevan

08-28-2008, 02:16 PM

i cant vote for obama.
just too many dirty ties for me to trust him.
i trust david wilcock more.
just dont trust his views on obama.
for now.

Bluebird1711

08-28-2008, 02:42 PM

The Wonderer

08-28-2008, 03:44 PM

Born23EB

08-28-2008, 07:36 PM

hi folks. thanks to the 911 event, i and many people worldwide have questioned deeply their assumptions about that whole thing we call democracy. watching the fabric of the veil created by the social engineers fall apart has been a spectacle to observe. i think a good number of people realize they have been downloaded with belief system programs that causes them to project outside of themselves for solutions to their plight for security and some sense of stability amidst chaotic circumstances. to some ,obama may appear as the wizard of oz and its their freedom of choice to do so. however, looking at the his the puppet masters surrounding him, such as ziggy brezhinski, who have played the global chess board at great cost of lives to many, are poised to sustain the pnac to culmination. i just do not see how obama can overcome this dilemma, although he has some good aspects to his platform, he has to execute it inside a web of power he did not design and could easily eat him alive. thankfully, i am canadian and cannot vote, cause if i was american, i doubt i would have any good reaso to do so.

johnasmodeus

08-28-2008, 07:47 PM

it is just so hard to trust anyone these days. i would like to trust him but his connection with george soros troubles me.

what is everyone's take on that?

you don't pick a president because you can trust him, especially not in this case; presidents are invariably politicians; and politicians, by their very nature, are undeserving of trust. :)

vote in your own self-interest. which president is likely to do the least damage?

johnasmodeus

08-28-2008, 07:53 PM

i cant vote for obama.
just too many dirty ties for me to trust him.
i trust david wilcock more.
just dont trust his views on obama.
for now.

so if you cannot get everything you ever wanted in a politician immediately you will refuse to participate? doesn't a step in the right direction - at least - hold any appeal for you?

as for the "dirty ties" remember: jesus could never be elected president. he would be weeded out before he made it to the house of representatives.

jeremy6d

08-28-2008, 09:22 PM

let's say obama is as great as some of you think.

is he so great that you're ok with him spying on your emails and tapping your phones? because he supports fisa, the bill that allows the government to do just that. of course, he opposed it until he secured the nomination, then switched his position totally.

is he so great that you're willing to follow him into a war with iran? after all, he told aipac that he'd be willing to initiate hostilities in iran to protect israel and prevent iran from having any nuclear capabilities.

this isn't about whether obama is good or bad, but whether any person is good enough to wield this kind of power over our lives. i don't care how enlightened he is; i don't recognize his right to rule me or any of you. he may be a good man, but no man is good enough to rule another.

but more than that, i hate to see deep, thoughtful people like you all place your hopes in an external agent. if this country needs change, why not be it yourself? why engage another to do it for you, and simply entrust him with the most power of any person on the planet? surely there is a spiritual role for obama, but it doesn't involve telling others what to do, or using violence or espionage against them.

jeremy6d

08-28-2008, 09:24 PM

FooSnik

08-28-2008, 10:17 PM

a very interesting discussion going on here. it's great to see people can air their views and be heard in an objective manner :). i love this site.

firstly i must say that i have not been following the presidential nominations as thouroughly as many of you good folk, so can only put forward my opinions based on limited exposure and an element of gut feeling.

i think it's fair to say there is a general feeling in the uk that the re-election of george bush was an incredible mistake by the american electorate, and somewhat lessened our opinion of the way the americans think, rightly or wrongly, (personally i think it was rigged but that's another story!).

obama is seen as a breath of fresh air with his heart being in the right place. there is much more good feeling towards him than whoever was nominated as the republican candidate for reasons stated above, the bush legacy.

my humble opinion is that it does not really matter who is voted the next us president as the world is on a course that cannot be deflected by any one individual. that said, i would prefer to see obama win through as i see the journey as being lot more harmonious for us all if he does. :)

love to you all

jim

hello bluebird, how ya doing tonight? man, i have had this conversation with so many europeans.

can i break it down for you?

#1: john kerry was a joke

#2: i agree with you in that i think the election was rigged.

#3: and most importantly, the media in this country is a joke. if you look on a map of the country showing in what parts of the country voted for who, you will see that the more sophisticated states, such as new york and california, overwhelmingly voted for john kerry. the states in the middle don't have the cultural diversity that the outside states do so all they base and shape their opinions entirely from watching our crappy media. our media is so slanted and full of fear and propaganda that you can hardly blame americans for not being smarter. i was just as amazed as you and my pride for my country fell tremendously as well.

but in a way george bush was actually good for this country. he was such a total retard that he woke many complacent americans up to stuff that has been going on since before nixon. now people are aware of the truth of the greed that dominates our law makers. and the fascism is becoming very clear and apparent regardless of how hard fox news tries to say otherwise.

he was such a blubbering fool and so transparent that we all can see the corruption very clearly now.

so for that, thank you bush. you can't win for losing!

oh and on another whole topic. it does matter who gets elected because this can be a gentle, smooth transition or a violent, turbulent shift. if mccain gets elected we will surely have world war 3 on our hands. and they will start drafting us americans to fight their stupid war. that means that they can force me to fight or send me to prison. hell no! we won't go!

take it light,
foo

leo scone

08-29-2008, 06:49 AM

vote in your own self-interest. which president is likely to do the least damage?

ah, the epitome of voting for the lesser of two evils, which guarantees only the speed of one's descent into chaos and hell. when do we get the option of the greater of two goods? at what point did this universe decide to only offer evil? it sickens me to think of continuing in that vein. the system itself is a fraudulent juggernaut rolling off a cliff exactly because we have continued to choose from evil, lesser or no, every four years. why, if politicians truly are inherently undeserving of trust, would i vote for one and hand over my power and trust to them?

"so if you cannot get everything you ever wanted in a politician immediately you will refuse to participate? doesn't a step in the right direction - at least - hold any appeal for you?"

friend johnasmodeus, i've never gotten half of what i've desired from any politician. they take money from us, but they don't work for us. as for right directions, as i pointed out before, what change of direction can there be if one is always but choosing from the lesser of two vehicles going the wrong way?

vote for obama because mccain is a war-monger. gee, are we still falling for media messaging? i mean c'mon, people aren't figuring mccain as a serious hawk except that the media keeps telling them so. whoever gets elected is having a loaded gun with the safety off pointed at innocent people handed to them. all the teenage kids aren't going to give the bb gun to the kid who's going to put it safely away. they are willing to hand it to obama. do you think that means he'll put it away? hmmm...

change. ha.

as for not participating, there is no thought that goes unheeded from this plane. we are all participatory as we are all infinitely interconnected. my heart and will are extremely involved in this presidential race, and any steps in the "right" direction are extremely appealing. and in positive consciousness of seeing the beastly machine for what it is, i work to cast my vote as hundredth monkey in favor of a truly new direction, in favor of the greater and greatest of all goods, by not casting a vote in favor of the lesser of anything.

i cast my vote for all of us, that we become self-determinant and discerning. that we refuse product loyalty from dish-soaps to democracy. that we begin to effect the necessary change in our hearts and wills. and if obama's the dude, then he'll shine because we overwhelm him with our light.

they don't do a damn thing that we haven't allowed or willed already. it is time for that old song and dance to go bye-bye!

johnasmodeus

08-29-2008, 08:16 AM

good poionts, leo. but the fact remains that come november, somebody will be elected prez. "none of the above" only ever worked once - with richard pryor in brewster's millions. isn't focusing on everybody's negatives just logically useless?

MindOverEverything

08-29-2008, 11:41 AM

but in a way george bush was actually good for this country. he was such a total retard that he woke many complacent americans up to stuff that has been going on since before nixon. now people are aware of the truth of the greed that dominates our law makers. and the fascism is becoming very clear and apparent regardless of how hard fox news tries to say otherwise.

i agree with this. the worse things get, the more that people in deep sleep start to wake up. former bush enablers have been waking up in droves.

if obama turns out to be "more of the same" then imagine how many "sleeping democrats" will wake up! if obama turns out to be and act like "one of the good guys" then imagine the turnaround this country could experience. either way, we win in the end. consciousness is king, and no group of shady politicians and bankers can keep it suppressed any longer.

la ka etznab

08-29-2008, 02:30 PM

from presstv 8/28/08

congressman ron paul says there is 'no difference' between us presidential candidates, democrat barack obama and republican john mccain.

"their foreign policies are identical," the texas congressman said in an interview with cnn on thursday. "there's no difference."

"they want more troops in afghanistan. they want to send more support to georgia to protect the oil line there. neither one says bring home the troops from iraq from the bases -- you know the bases are going to stay there, the embassy as big as the vatican, that's going to remain. so their foreign policies are exactly the same," he added.

the former republican presidential candidate said that the two candidates are both threats to the us national interests.

"we create the threats! why are we on the borders of russia provoking the russians? i mean, the georgians initiated the military attack against these enclaves where there were mostly russians... it's a fact that we're over there that we create these crises."

when asked if he endorses any of the candidates, paul replied, "i've endorsed neither one and we will not endorse either the two top candidates."

FooSnik

08-29-2008, 03:34 PM

ah, the epitome of voting for the lesser of two evils, which guarantees only the speed of one's descent into chaos and hell. when do we get the option of the greater of two goods? at what point did this universe decide to only offer evil? it sickens me to think of continuing in that vein. the system itself is a fraudulent juggernaut rolling off a cliff exactly because we have continued to choose from evil, lesser or no, every four years. why, if politicians truly are inherently undeserving of trust, would i vote for one and hand over my power and trust to them?

"so if you cannot get everything you ever wanted in a politician immediately you will refuse to participate? doesn't a step in the right direction - at least - hold any appeal for you?"

friend johnasmodeus, i've never gotten half of what i've desired from any politician. they take money from us, but they don't work for us. as for right directions, as i pointed out before, what change of direction can there be if one is always but choosing from the lesser of two vehicles going the wrong way?

vote for obama because mccain is a war-monger. gee, are we still falling for media messaging? i mean c'mon, people aren't figuring mccain as a serious hawk except that the media keeps telling them so. whoever gets elected is having a loaded gun with the safety off pointed at innocent people handed to them. all the teenage kids aren't going to give the bb gun to the kid who's going to put it safely away. they are willing to hand it to obama. do you think that means he'll put it away? hmmm...

change. ha.

as for not participating, there is no thought that goes unheeded from this plane. we are all participatory as we are all infinitely interconnected. my heart and will are extremely involved in this presidential race, and any steps in the "right" direction are extremely appealing. and in positive consciousness of seeing the beastly machine for what it is, i work to cast my vote as hundredth monkey in favor of a truly new direction, in favor of the greater and greatest of all goods, by not casting a vote in favor of the lesser of anything.

i cast my vote for all of us, that we become self-determinant and discerning. that we refuse product loyalty from dish-soaps to democracy. that we begin to effect the necessary change in our hearts and wills. and if obama's the dude, then he'll shine because we overwhelm him with our light.

they don't do a damn thing that we haven't allowed or willed already. it is time for that old song and dance to go bye-bye!

well said!

@ mindovereverything:

you know, i am afraid to admit that you are right. the worse it gets the more people wake up. but lord, i don't want to see world war 3. the economy going down the toilet, natural disasters, diseases...fine, i think i can handle that. but i don't think my sensitive psyche could handle all the death and destruction a nuclear war would evoke.

and also, i just want to say i really enjoyed reading every bodies opinions here.

thanks!

StarGirl

08-29-2008, 09:21 PM

well, this chat seems to be going pretty good.

one thing i have noticed is that the two, hummm... "camps" are starting to bridge now.

for folks who are in the "obama is cool/ helpful pres." camp, there is no conflict with including much of the concept of the others who endorse the "people rising up" camp" (embracing thier own enlightenment/ or otherwise "overwhelming obama with their own love so that that is what he is really projecting out). thanks to the many folks who took the time to write and flesh out their thoughts more.

i mean those two concepts are not really in confict. you could have them both come true, at the same time, and everyone can stand in thier prospective and see their "truth" manifested and it is all/both benficial for man moving along his divine path. yeah!

at this point most "incompatabilities" have been smoothed over:

if we don't have a good leader how do we get to 2012 easily?

my humble opinion is that it does not really matter who is voted the next us president as the world is on a course that cannot be deflected by any one individual.
jim

well, what if obama is evil/ illuminati?

even if obama were evil, he is going to have to positively change america or be heavily scrutinized and suspected of being a evil doer(might even be assassinated). either way, he has no choice but to go positive and change the world for the better.

i don't trust any politicians!

you don't pick a president because you can trust him, especially not in this case; presidents are invariably politicians; and politicians, by their very nature, are undeserving of trust. :)

vote in your own self-interest. which president is likely to do the least damage? (do i dare say most of us agree that the pres. who will do the less damage is obama? so still good on non-conflict.)

where am i going with this? i am trying to make everyone on this list sing kumba ya and hold hands in great harmonies of bliss? nice idea, but i am not really aiming so high.:)

i am trying to get everyone out of everyone else's way.

in otherwords, if your belief/ observation/idea carves out a path to the new world, great. let us co- create without the "but you're doing it wrong" residue. is it necessary for a belief to cancel out other beliefs in order for yours to be true? look, we are all working on multiple fronts to get this thing manifested, so maybe less requiring another positive (leads to the new world) beleif system to be "wrong" in order for yours to be "right". keep it open system. one's understanding of reality need not be threatened by the possible exsitence of someone else's understanding.

take the ego out of the equation and just ask, "is there any possibility, where both of these ideas (which both try to lead to where i want to go) could either one work... any possibility at all?" if there is any possibility at all... bridge it. that means see a scenrio in your head where both of the ideas could work interchangably due to ______ circumstance. trust me, if you will just ask your brain for the suggestions it will come up with them... the mental field is completely designed to link any number of concepts creatively.

so why i am mentioning all this? the possibility of getting two strong beams of light to work with (not against each other, even subconciously) as one much bigger lightbeam, if that is interesting to folks.

a group of people want to bulid a house. one group wants to use wood, the other brick. evetually, some says let's use both, we just want a house. building starts and those who wish to work with wood do so, these who wish to work with brick do so. certain places in the house seem to build better with brick and at other times, better with wood. in the end we have a new house.

with the 50/50 brick and wood house everyone can work with a focused energy together. the brick and wood do not conflict; they wish merely to be used in peace for something good.

lol (lots of love)

darlyne

The Wonderer

08-30-2008, 11:26 AM

i'm not going to lie, obama convention speech was pretty powerful. i don't trust any politician as they are all corrupt to a degree. however, i think the illuminati understands that there are too many conflicting groups that will not allow the evil nwo to happen. if everything went as planned, you would begin seeing early herding of certain people going into the concentration camps.

however, i would rather have lesser of the two evils in obama than have ronald reagan 2.0 in mccain. you see, after all that obama has promised, if he gets elected and he makes things get worse and is actually as evil as some people are reporting, people will definitely wake up because they will never trust the government again. people will be infuriated.

isa777

09-03-2008, 02:44 AM

very interesting thread ~ actually moved me to post for once! my own feelings gravitate toward supporting obama, not b/c he is "mr smith goes to washington" so much as he is an interesting change from the past. i also think he might be very careful about how he handles the presidency because of his historic role there as our first black pres. whereas it seems mccain is one who is quite firmly set in the ol' status quo.

maybe obama has a lot of the status quo in his future as well but that ingredient of a "first" and "historical" difference just provides me with a shred of hope in a new political direction. i enjoy people who toss a little hope my way, even if the inspiring words are coming off a teleprompter. whatever works! we need positivity, inspiration, hope... all that.

and yes i agree, we have to do it ourselves, and support one another along the way, but it is also nice to have elected leaders who mirror back to us a semblance of what we like to see in ourselves. maybe if we choose to believe and support someone like obama, we can help to awaken a surprising greatness within him. isn't this what we strive to do for one another? ignite that little spark of higher consciousness... wake up that mr. smith and just see what he can do over there in washington.. :p

weboy78

09-03-2008, 07:01 AM

i don't know where to post this,but it's great
from aasimov book

the story deals with the development of a computer called multivac and its relationship with humanity through the course of seven historic settings, beginning in 2061. in each of the first six scenes a different character presents the computer with the same question, namely as to how the threat to human existence posed by the heat death of the universe can be averted. the question is equivalent to: "can the workings of the second law of thermodynamics (used in the story as the increase of the entropy of the universe), be reversed?" in each case multivac finds itself unable to answer, due to having "insufficient data for a meaningful answer".

in the last scene, the god-like descendants of humanity watch the universe finally approach the state of heat death and ask the cosmic ac, multivac's descendant, the question one last time before "man" merges with it. cosmic ac is still unable to answer, but continues to ponder the question after space and time cease to exist. eventually the cosmic ac discovers the answer, but has nobody to report it to; the universe is already dead. it therefore decides to show the answer by demonstrating the reversal of entropy, creating the universe anew; the story ends with ac's pronouncement,

“ "let there be light!" and there was light— ”
—closing line, the last question[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_last_question

Steve Hydonus

09-03-2008, 09:31 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4en7ibo1ec

PriestOfLight

09-03-2008, 02:28 PM

on the campaign, i am concentrating on the energy of the parties. mccain is not a choice for me at the moment. surrounding his campaign there seems to be more negative energies present. tear gas, riots, and people being held against their free will.

i do not see that with the other campaigns being run. i do see and feel alot of positive energies around ron paul and obama atm. after watching the democratic convention, i also sense that obama is fully aware of the spirituality of this campaign where other candidates do not.

there are alot of issues being raised, but i do not feel they within themselves are what is important as the energy entire party represents. i am also watching synchronisity and my gut.

still unsure who to vote for or support. but at this time i believe this is a time where we are put in a position to stand up ourselves and others if we are strong enough. i personally feel this is an important choice.

still wish ron paul was the republican candidate. :)

in the light and love of all that is

paul

StarGirl

09-04-2008, 06:26 PM

hello people!

i was listening to npr a few weeks ago and i caught the last half hour of a program in which 20 democrats of various demographics attempted to define what it is to "be a democrat".

one thing i found fasinating was that several times in there, people mentioned that being a democrat meant service to others; (in this case, they used that exact phrase) that it meant being concerned about "more then just your little world" one woman said.

there was, for example, a faith based female there who said the rupublican party represented more of a picture of religion, but that the democratic party represented faith or religion in action and allowed her to feel she was really following the spirit of her religion. one guy quoted, jesus (the bible saying, that the ye do unto the least of these you do unto me," means care about everyone. what really got me, was that even some of the atheists were like "we have a moral obilgation" to engage the world for everyone's benefits. (none of these are exact quotes but are pulled from memory.)

anyhow, rank and file democrats went on to site specific policies of how generally, speaking republicans tend to be interested in taking care of themselves and democrats are interested in taking care of each other. i had never thought of this choice of service to others vs service to self being presented in such a "in your face" and (what i thought) unlikely place!

and to think, could it be so clearly and easily decided as: which political party our country chooses?

i mention this for discussion and thought. i am not here to say that one party is good, one bad. just by peoples observation and knowledge, does this seem to ring true? overall as a party, do folks feel democrats are more concerned in [i]their policies in servicing the whole, while republicans are more policy oreiented towards service to the individual?

i guess this is kind of loaded question.

i mean, how does this effect our making sure we choose at least 51% of service to self (as david is often talking about)?

well... thought i'd toss it out there and gather opinions. for anyone who cares to hear, the whole audio program called, "behind party lines" can be found on the website of mpr (minnisota public radio) at:

[please pm for link]

they will be doing the same type program for "what does it mean to be a republican?" also soon so that will be interesting... i mean surely some republicans feel that they are being of service to others as well, so this is more of a generalization.

love and peace

darlyne

johnasmodeus

09-05-2008, 12:05 AM

good rundown, stargirl! i would like to add that i am seeing two camps lining up here: those who would vote for obama and those who wouldn't vote at all. you're right. these two camps aren't at all exclusive of each other and so there really is no debate.

i would like to see obama in the white house, if for no other reason than he's the first president in twenty years that deliver a speech and make me buy that he at least half-believes what he is saying. also mccain is about a two years away from drinking out if dribble cups and the words "president palin" just plain scare the bejeezus out of me.

but if you don't want to vote, then i guess that's ok too.

Tenet Nosce

09-05-2008, 06:38 AM

i had been leaning somewhat toward voting for obama, even though i didn't particularly like either choice, but watching some of the rnc yesterday reminded me of something important: you can't really trust any of them!

there were parts of mccain's speech that were really good. parts that i wholeheartedly agree with. especially the part about remembering that the government is here to serve us, and not the other way around. he also sounded fairly sincere to me. then i remembered. . . even bush had many good things to say before he was elected and sounded sincere as well. then what happened? he turned the presidency into a complete mockery of itself.

wake up america!? yes, wake up to the fact that this whole thing is a sham. it is a theater play, and nothing more. true. . the play has some -very- talented writers. . but in the end it's all a play.

even if obama or mccain were not under illuminati influence now, you'd better believe they will be. you'd better believe that, once elected, those "powers that be" are going to make every effort they can to undermine any true progress or positive change that can come out of the presidency. . . and they will succeed. why? because no one person is strong enough to withstand that kind of constant negative focus.

if obama is truly free from negative influence at this time, and as david has suggested in the blogs, it is entirely by design. it is a ploy to get america's hopes up, to place their full faith and trust in one person, and then to make them watch as that bright soul is devoured by negativity. unless somebody can offer me reliable information that obama is also an adept at psychic self-defense, i have little faith that he will be able to sustain a significant level of positive polarity once the election is won.

we would do well to remember that, besides all the usual channels of manipulation, the core of this stuff is magical in nature. it is not rooted in this dimension. whomever gets elected sooner than later will have some kind of negative past or questionable history dug up about them. (notice how the juiciest bits never get brought up until after the election) the media will spin the country into all sorts of a frenzy, and then the negative beings at the top of the pyramid scheme will swoop by and collect up all that wonderful fresh negative energy and turn it to the purposes of sucking every last bit of humanity out of whomever is in office, and turning every positive intention to its opposite.

we need a magician, not a politician, in the presidency to make it work as the world now stands. anybody who is not aware of the nature of negative energetic influence. . . anybody who still sees themself as a "separate" being. . . as primarily being an "american" instead of a human being. . . is not fit to be president due to the fact that they don't have even a basic clue about the true nature of reality and how to protect themself against negative energetic influences.

imagine if carla were to have taken on the task of channeling ra with absolutely no magical protection offered by the rest of the group, and in complete naivety about the possibility of negative greeting. how long would the channelings have remained true to their intent? perhaps two sessions, if that?

this is what we are contending with here. notice how the whole election process is designed to keep sucking us right back into unconsciousness and separateness. how the speeches are written to pull at our heart strings to the point that we forget about the fundamental nature of reality.

i will reiterate my previous position. in the end it doesn't matter whom is elected president. the events upon us are much, much bigger than that. if anything positive is to come out of the next president it is only to the degree that the will of the people truly desiring a world of peace and prosperity. . . not just for "americans" but for all. . . including those of the negative path. . . trumps out the will of those who would continue to manipulate world events from behind the scenes.

to this end, i don't see the point of voting at all. whomever one votes for is still the "lesser of two evils". um? isn't that still voting for evil?

if enough people didn't vote. . . if the candidates spent the next couple of months flapping their wings all over the world stage, and we had the worst turnout ever for a presidential vote. . . now that would really throw them for a loop because the media would have to begin questioning why so many people didn't vote which would finally lend a voice to all of us who truly feel that the presidential election is a lose-lose situation.

(not that i think that is a likely probability, but just offered as a consideration)

Millsley

09-05-2008, 06:50 AM

i've thought a lot about this, and glad to see people discussing it. the fact still remains that depending on who is in office, the way in which tptb acts must be constrained to the identity of the president.

with mccain, we can definitely expect another war (maybe a draft), which in the end will cause even more disillusionment with the illusion, so still a good thing, but war sucks. also, he is a supporter of nuclear energy, which until we more fully develop renewable energies (which would be a lot quicker if either candidate would grow some cojones and throw some serious cash into alternative energy) is our cleanest and most powerful source of energy. on the flipside, we might have nuclear war as well.

with obama, the chances for a larger scale war are less likely (and if war - less likely a draft). although he has spoken of supporting israel with iran, he has also said he is willing to meet with iran's leaders to talk, which is something mccain has derided him for but is actually a good idea. he is a big supporter of israel's madness (but so is mccain) so the possibility is still there, but he may be more swayed by the new pro-peace israel pac, jstreet (separate israel/palestine, jerusalem an international, shared city? not bad) also, national healthcare would become a reality and if people demanded alternative healthcare treatment and focused more on preventative healthcare we could see some good come out of that (mccain's healthcare advisor claims that "no americans are uninsured" because we have the emergency room). although with obama, we may have more social programs (with lots of unneeded spending) but they will also do some good. he also plans $150 billion for alternative energy over the next 10 years. sadly he is engulfed in the ethanol fad, but many other technologies will benefit from this money.

the main reason for an obama vote - technology. his technology adviser (who will likely fill a new proposed position, the secretary of technology) is larry lessig - a stanford law professor and popular tech proponent. he founded change-congress.org and is also for developing a website for congress that documents everything the government does (to a point, of course) to increase transparency. some plans include secure online voting, citizen voting on bills (even if they don't count, it lets your congresspeople know your position), posts of citizen's rants on pros and cons of bills, etc.

we will not see anything like that with mccain. with the slew of people waking up, these sites could become serious catalysts for change. i despise biden, as he is a large supporter of the drug war and totally anti-technology. if obama gets assassinated (which is a serious possibility), biden would just be terrible, hopefully lessig gets rolling on his secretary position right away to keep its momentum going. i was originally for ron paul, but i don't mind voting the lesser of two evils here. i despise the two party system, but i really do not want mccain's reality to become reality. realistically, no third party candidate will have an effect on this election besides making it more likely that john mccain will win. if obama wins and these technology plans are implemented, third parties will become incredibly more viable.

leo scone

09-05-2008, 06:56 AM

at the same time that you see these two "camps" coming together in greater unity, is it possible to take note that it is still an extremely separatist stance? "us" against mccain? to act in opposition to mccain, or anything, is to offer energy and support to that thing. is what we seek a one-sided unity? huh?

understand well that for some the choice of not voting is a vote, and arguably as positive a choice as any one made at the voting booth. it is a form of censure. i can offer my love and compassion to those caught within the mechanisms of the political machine, but simultaneously cease to offer either the energy of support or resistance.

and a hermetic thought for you - all apparent pairs of opposites are effects of the same cause. can we fail to get whatever this system of governance is going to give us regardless of who we support? no, for engaging in the election game supports the effect that provided the apparent opposites of obama and mccain. a vote for either then is actually a vote to continue the current mode of operation with all that implies.

more from hermes - it is a mental universe, a universe of mind. all comes down from that first. this consciousness did not emerge at random from the primordial ooze. mind was first, then all these forms have followed. i cannot physically cast my vote, for there is no appropriate candidate offered. but that is a trifle, as my vote is cast again in this moment, its effect immediate in an instantaneous and non-local universe, and it does not count on anyone's judgment as to which way my chad hangs, (which is kinda personal!) by the time we're trying to count hanging chads and arguing the highly questionable programming of electronic voting machines we've been distracted from the cause by its effects.

and from some likely descendant of hermes, good ol' al einstein made a comment along the lines of "we can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

what we all share is a desire for a decrease in suffering here, obtained through proper processing of our catalyst. we all want to heal and evolve. for this there is no need to wait until november and in this we likely have our unity.

however, please, do not so easily count me as swept into your "camp". you seek to count my head in opposition to mccain, but you cannot rightly do so. my inner eye is focused on the space between, not the forms in the way. let's lift the veil...

PriestOfLight

09-05-2008, 08:52 AM

with obama, the chances for a larger scale war are less likely (and if war - less likely a draft). although he has spoken of supporting israel with iran, he has also said he is willing to meet with iran's leaders to talk, which is something mccain has derided him for but is actually a good idea. he is a big supporter of israel's madness (but so is mccain) so the possibility is still there, but he may be more swayed by the new pro-peace israel pac.........

i don't think obama supports isreal as much as everyone thinks. israel is for mccain, not obama for president from the polls i have seen.

the best possible thing i see about obama is he has a chance to not only change the u.s., but change the world. he is of a multi-cultural background and if he is elected, he will bring the u.s. in a better light as it will support the old quote "it can happen in america"

light and love

paul

Born23EB

09-05-2008, 11:11 AM

thanks tenet and leo for your comments. your points of perspective pretty much mirror my take on the whole political scope of the election. the military/industrial complex that dwight eisenhower spoke of on his final public address before leaving office has become deeply entrenched in the modus operandi of government policy for decades, extending itself outside u.s borders to negatively impact untold millions of lives. anybody stepping into power cannot but be directly influenced by the powerful interests behind this mindset. by chanelling so much of americas resoursces/gdp into the war machine to create an exterior perception that is designed to create fear, the power elite have managed to polarize the countries the military machine has invaded, using clever but not so transparent methods of media to justify their conquests. so. from where i stand voting for either becomes highly suspect given the shenanigans pulled off on the last two elections by both parties. ron paul is a shining example of integrity as well as dennis kuncinich. both are committed to confronting the root causes of the current dilemma the country is in, from the point of view of the people who work and pay taxes to support the government agendas. there is also a background issue going on with the international bankers. the fiscal period end date is coming up at the end of this month where they they will decide what is to become of the false economy buoyed up by the federal reserve. this certainly throws a intersting curve into the whole mix of the unfolding process. i anticipate some real creative moves from the bu****es.:eek:

starwhite

09-05-2008, 12:04 PM

i believe obama is a good thing! what have the last eight years brought us with bush & the republicans? hmmm, war in iraq, afghanistan, record unemployment, high gas prices, a housing market crash need i go on? do we really want an incumbent like mccain in the white house? mccain is too old & politically too dirty for the job anyway. you might as well vote for bush again as to vote for mccain. john mccain turned 72 on august 29, 2008. if he is elected , he will be the oldest newly elected president. even the rolling stones have to call it quits someday! mick is still getting on stage with a walker but he sure sounds great!

StarGirl

09-05-2008, 04:12 PM

some of these comments are just great!

we have a lot of different approaches to how we want to go to the new world (you know, the after 2012 more peace and happy place) and a lot of "independents souls" choosing to go about it their own way. good enough!

i just said... "let's look for what is common between us and build on that." i used big words and flowery language and went on and on, but that was the main point.

there is no desire here to subscribe people to any "camp" or limit. words must be used to convey concepts. if you are interested in arriving in the new world use whatever means or belief system works for you in peace... including not voting. to be blunt, i basically questioned the usefulness of subconciously thwarting the other people who have there own ideas of how we get to the new world.

if you want to focus in some positive way of building to the new world, i was just trying to say, don't do it by tearing down the other people who also have ideas of how to get to the new world. (anyone may read previous thread posts for details)

if you want to go to the new world (you know, where we all start to get along, higher spirituality), then we are all still trying to arrive at similar place with differing ways of getting there.

i suspect, some will just not like me saying we all still have something positive in common here. (smile and question mark) i don't know what else to say... ok, of course you have complete freedom and free will to demand that there is nothing common.... i just like parties!

peace and love

darlyne

ps. just for the record, the first candidate that i went for was ron paul as i considered maybe which party was in power mattered less then the intregrity of the leader. i saw that properly applied with integrity, probably either party policy system might work, republ. or demo. to imporve the country. however, yes, once obama came on the radar i felt for me to focus there.

mwr1026

09-07-2008, 10:48 PM

...is it possible to take note that it is still an extremely separatist stance? "us" against mccain? to act in opposition to mccain, or anything, is to offer energy and support to that thing. is what we seek a one-sided unity? ...

well said. i offer two axioms from eckhart tolle:

"whatever you fight, you strengthen, and whatever you resist persists."

"...and what you react to in another, you strengthen in yourself."

my ego is eager to do battle with conservatives in this election. but i just cannot go there any more. my younger brother regularly tries to draw me into heated political debates (he is extremely resentful, distrustful, and vitriolic toward democrats) and until a year or so ago, i would take the bait.

but last spring i underwent a major spiritual shift, and the struggle between left and right has lost its power over me. i like obama, will vote for him, and see that he actually does represent just the very beginnings of a significant shift. but that shift is of a different order than the old struggles, and will neither be propelled nor blocked by them...and the strugglers, on both sides, just don't get what is happening.

Jimboot

09-09-2008, 01:40 AM

lvxseeker

09-09-2008, 03:40 PM

ditto -

his foreign policy is very similar to mccain's. i honestly think ron paul is the only answer. i'm an aussie so i don't get to vote but i have studied ron paul for about a year now and his message of liberty peace and personal responsibility makes a lot of sense. peace is the big one for me.

i also live in australia. i have never heard ron paul mentioned in any of our media. the only way i have heard of him is through this forum. is this the case for you too

PriestOfLight

09-09-2008, 06:34 PM

i also live in australia. i have never heard ron paul mentioned in any of our media. the only way i have heard of him is through this forum. is this the case for you too

ron paul's positions are what we needed imo also. but he was hidden by the media and not given any exposure. in my state that didn't even put him in the election pages in the news paper as a candidate so people even knew he was running. but talk to anyone about him and they would gladly get on board with his candidacy (sp?).

he had alot to offer.

paul

Born23EB

09-10-2008, 12:45 PM

one of the main reasons ron paul and other candidates have been marginalized is due to the fact that the issues they high lite such as war, banking and health care, force the political consensus reality to confront its collective shadow issues in creating the commonly held beliefs about what politicians actually do. how much will the public actually buy? well, if you believe the research of bruce lipton concerning core belief engineering, he states that jesuit based control of education is built up on the premise that core beliefs that are built in to childrens subconscious minds before the age of 6 years will continue to operate for the rest of their adult lives unless the are brought to conscious awareness and changed. in other words, believing is seeing. if we do not examine our core beliefs we will continue to get what we have got.

Jimboot

09-10-2008, 07:47 PM

re my journey / discovery of rp. i've been following him for about a year now. i was researching 9/11 came across aaron russos ftf in which rp was interviewed. aust media simply regurgitate what is on cnn i'm afraid. i complained to the abc about their lack of reporting on the matter and they said well it wasn't on cnn so it can't be important. i want my 8 cents/day back. (aussie joke)

i'm new here and i have to say david sounds like an absolute nut... but he also seems to make a lot of sense... which is very annoying ;)

dazcox

09-11-2008, 05:23 PM

leo scone

09-11-2008, 08:45 PM

the real issue is do you want a pretty vice president or not? dan qualye was pretty and he helped poppy bush win!

the band oingo boingo from the song insanity:

"the white folks think they're on the top ask any proud white male
a million years of evolution, we get danny quayle."

i was a ron paul guy from the beginning. seeing him systematically excluded from significant media coverage, and watching the $$$ and media favoritism thrown behind the others pretty clearly decided for me who was already vetted by the status quo and who stood for anything at all besides words, words, and more words, not matter how emotionally evocative they may be.

since this started as an obama thread i'll veer back that way. it appears our best hope right now is that obama is lying like hell and he's actually a constitutionalist in disguise, but he has to act like another stinky politician so he can get into a position where he might be able (and that is a precious small might) to effect some serious, much needed change. because it's all been fine talkin' like i said, but now we've got lipstick on pigs and all the same old tripe we've all heard every four years. so like i said, i hope it's an act on obama's part, a lie for the greater good perhaps.

mostly, i think not.

if i vote, i'll write in ron paul. not because i think he has a chance. i don't care about being on the winning side. and not because i am against mccain or obama. as aspects of the one i offer them both my higher love and support. but if i vote i'll write in ron paul because it is an honest choice for me. he is the only candidate i have ever listened to in my whole life (47 now) who was actually talking about the reality of the structure of the united states corporation, and our need to exert our freedoms lest they fall away.

no wonder he was censored.

hi-ho.

dazcox

09-12-2008, 06:00 AM

i think that the whole political game is rigged to the point where 'they' win no matter what, win in the fact that they get people divided and angry every couple of years.

if one of the steps in ascension is to raise our frequency then worrying about if obama or mccain are going to change anything at all isn't helping i feel.

it seems pretty obvious where the candidates stand by now so i suggest making your choice and then not worrying about the horse race as it's whole purpose is to make you angry enough to vote for one or against the other.

i think that obama has the popular vote by a landslide, whether people like him or not he's the only real chance to change anything and people invariably vote for a change when times are 'tough', always.

however the tv ratings would falter without it seeming like a close game, hence the neck and neck feverish coverage and patheticly over-hyped pseudo-scandals. no matter what, and you know i'm right, there is more anger producing material yet to be exposed, more trivia that is designed to focus your hate against one of the sides and no real reason for them to actually do much more than make empty promises.

i appreciate the effort of ron paul and dk et al but it still adds up to the same thing, you feel ripped off, angry and essentially are at a lower vibration if you buy into the whole "winning" aspect.

the only real winners are the ones who make friends, listen and help their neighbor regardless of their opinions.

Born23EB

09-13-2008, 11:52 AM

well said dazcox. i am sure many here are aware of the emotional manipulation being used in any control game. the game has been rigged for ages to gain its own ends. here is exactly where the jujitsu response comes in. we can thank the sts for provide us with the necessary catalyst to exam unconsciously held beliefs and change them to serve our own learning process. some here have echoed this in other threads posted previously. by choosing not to live an unexamined life, we in turn feed back our transformed energy back into the world at large ,which is our own projection to start with and in so doing propel the learning experience forward to express our dharmic purpose. in my last post i posed that confronting our own shadow issues and buried programming is a way of bringing light into dark places by lighting a candle instead of fighting the darkness. there is no saviour out there. in fact there is no out there out there except what is held to be true. lets remember to laugh and enjoy it for all its worth.:p

PriestOfLight

09-15-2008, 07:52 PM

obama and the palin effect
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/obama-and-the-palin]effec_b_123943.html
posted 4 september 2008-

sometimes politics has the uncanny effect of mirroring the national
psyche even when nobody intended to do that. this is perfectly
illustrated by the rousing effect that gov. sarah palin had on the
republican convention in minneapolis this week. on the surface, she
outdoes former vice president dan quayle as an unlikely choice, given
her negligent parochial expertise in the complex affairs of
governing. her state of alaska has less than 700,000 residents, which
reduces the job of governor to the scale of running one-tenth of new
york city. by comparison, rudy giuliani is a towering international
figure. palin's pluck has been admired, and her forthrightness, but
her real appeal goes deeper.

she is the reverse of barack obama, in essence his shadow, deriding
his idealism and exhorting people to obey their worst impulses. in
psychological terms the shadow is that part of the psyche that hides
out of sight, countering our aspirations, virtue, and vision with
qualities we are ashamed to face: anger, fear, revenge, violence,
selfishness, and suspicion of 'the other.' for millions of americans,
obama triggers those feelings, but they don't want to express them.
he is calling for us to reach for our higher selves, and frankly,
that stirs up hidden reactions of an unsavory kind. (just to be
perfectly clear, i am not making a verbal play out of the fact that
sen. obama is black. the shadow is a metaphor widely in use before
his arrival on the scene.) i recognize that psychological analysis of
politics is usually not welcome by the public, but i believe such a
perspective can be helpful here to understand palin's message. in her
acceptance speech gov. palin sent a rousing call to those who want to
celebrate their resistance to change and a higher vision.

look at what she stands for:
--small town values -- a denial of america's global role, a return to
petty, small-minded parochialism.
--ignorance of world affairs -- a repudiation of the need to repair
america's image abroad.
--family values -- a code for walling out anybody who makes a claim
for social justice. such strangers, being outside the family, don't
need to be heeded.
--rigid stands on guns and abortion -- a scornful repudiation that
these issues can be negotiated with those who disagree.
--patriotism -- the usual fallback in a failed war.
--'reform' -- an italicized term, since in addition to cleaning out
corruption and excessive spending, one also throws out anyone who
doesn't fit your ideology.

palin reinforces the overall message of the reactionary right, which
has been in play since 1980, that social justice is liberal-radical,
that minorities and immigrants, being different from 'us' pure
american types, can be ignored, that progressivism takes too much
effort and globalism is a foreign threat. the radical right marches
under the banners of 'i'm all right, jack,' and 'why change?
everything's ok as it is.' the irony, of course, is that gov. palin
is a woman and a reactionary at the same time. she can add mom to
apple pie on her resume, while blithely reversing forty years of
feminist progress. the irony is superficial; there are millions of
women who stand on the side of conservatism, however obviously they
are voting against their own good. the republicans have won multiple
national elections by raising shadow issues based on fear, rejection,
hostility to change, and narrow-mindedness.

obama's call for higher ideals in politics can't be seen in a vacuum.
the shadow is real; it was bound to respond. not just conservatives
possess a shadow -- we all do. so what comes next is a contest
between the two forces of progress and inertia. will the shadow win
again, or has its furtive appeal become exhausted? no one can
predict. the best thing about gov. palin is that she brought this
conflict to light, which makes the upcoming debate honest. it would
be a shame to elect another reagan, whose smiling persona was a
stalking horse for the reactionary forces that have brought us to the
demoralized state we are in. we deserve to see what we are getting,
without disguise.

daernoth

09-15-2008, 10:51 PM

if i vote, which is not a sure thing, i will be writing in ron paul for sure. maybe obama is a great guy... who knows... but i have to assume that the positions they have stated many times are their real positions.

if obama has been lying all this time, then he has basically forsaken my vote to gain the votes of others. every political strategy has benefits and costs. lying certainly has its costs and many that would otherwise vote for him now will not... assuming again he has been pretending for the sake of politics.

regardless, we must always remember one thing: this is god's universe, god's creation and everything happens for a reason, everything is sacred, everything is for the good in the end. it cannot be otherwise. whatever happens, it will be what we need not what we want.

we must strive to be the best we can be and the rest will take care of itself.

transiten

09-16-2008, 02:41 AM

:)

yesterday i saw an interview with obamas grandmother living in the countryside in kenya...she was so happy to have finally met him and felt that he loved her just as her son did, the deceased father of obama...

..what a wonderful scenario obama becoming the president of america going on his holiday to visit this wonderful black 80-year old woman in africa helping her plant maniok....

just love it:)

transiten

09-16-2008, 03:46 AM

hi lvxseeker

i heard about ron paul on astro.com where i have had a lot of communication with one of the forumembers living in s:t paul minnesota who told me about him. there are a lot of astrological predictions and theories there about who's going to win the american presidency. ron paul has confronted the establishment by asking where trillions of $ have simply "disappeared"...

liliane the transit

Born23EB

09-18-2008, 11:27 AM

sometimes politics has the uncanny effect of mirroring the national psyche even when nobody intended to do so.

i have examined the whole notion of conscious choice is directly manipulated by those who frame the debates through their own methods of directed intention to achieve their desired ends. noam chomsky once stated that " if we do not want freedom for everyone ,then we do not want freedom at all." this in my perception, is a nutshell statement that reflects the true spirit of the loo central axiom. we only make choices based on the information we hold to be true and that which reflects our core beliefs about what seems to manifest this outlook. for me , this is all the more reason to understand who and what goes in to creating our belief systems. by definition, we are are only as free as the mind allows us to be. are you really free in your choosing? have a look within and see what you is actually present.

Millsley

09-25-2008, 03:01 PM

definitely a ron paul fan here too. i've been following him since he announced his campaign, since i didn't know the name, did a few google searches and was blown away by his integrity and passion. funny enough, during his campaign he was getting little to no coverage, but every single day for the past week and a half he has had interviews on all of the major media networks. he's become a hot commodity since he has been predicting this financial crisis since early 2003, and even warned about a serious recession in the late 80's. on msnbc, conservative host glenn beck has been talking about how the federal reserve is a private corporation. although paul is no longer running, his campaign (and his continuing campaign for liberty) have left and will continue to leave its mark on the american political consciousness.

although obama has been selected like every president for the past 100 years, he is obviously not tptb's first pick. hillary and mccain were their nominees, and mccain digs himself a deeper hole every day. most recently, he wants to cancel the debate to focus on the crisis in washington, not only did david letterman tear him a new one for lying that he had to cancel his interview but mccain admitted on air the day before he hadn't even read the bailout plan... it's only three pages long!!!. at least obama has a shred of integrity, and will undoubtedly increase transparency in government (see my previous post on page six about his technology advisor). i think that he will quickly slip out of tptb's hands while they continue their downward spiral and sadly end up in their sights, a la jfk. if that happens... they will be exposed. couple that with david wilcock's prediction that russia has a whole slew of sludge about them and their downfall seems imminent.

people here sound so resigned about this whole thing. i'm no huge fan of obama's political stances, but the amazing swirling together of coincidences in our favor are astounding. i'm also looking forward to the end of the election because the political atmosphere is so tiring - but there's some excitement up ahead! stay positive, people!

PriestOfLight

09-25-2008, 09:36 PM

if everyone could muster 1/2 of the courage and fearless
attitude ron paul has and is displaying we could move
forward in leaps and bounds. he is a true underdog who
just will not give up on his truth!

i wonder if he meditates? :)

in the light and love of all there is

paul

transiten

09-26-2008, 04:21 AM

just a mercury-retrograde question...why is this thread called "obama and the new world order" as it was initially about 2d and 3d-existences posted by mozart?

liliane the transit

transiten

09-26-2008, 09:39 AM

posts 444! is this question crucial? i think it's the extremely important things happening in my family at the moment, life and death interacting, and the post i made in the masturbationthread, which was not about that, but about humour in these absurd and paradoxical times.

liliane

darth_rothscum

10-08-2008, 12:44 AM

hi all,

i think i could write a book about this topic, but i guess i'll summarize:

my brain tells me the system is so corrupt, a vote won't really create any ripples out in the ether to make any kind of substantial impact. hell, in aaron russo's film (rip), the f*ckin programmer who flipped the 51-49 votes towards bush admitted doing so to a magistrate!! so, nothing metaphysical here ... simple "reality" is showing us that our votes might not actually count (god knows what the controllers have come up with this time ?!?! :confused:)

my heart tells me ron paul is the purest soul out there, but that emotion is now being confounded by david's opinion that obama is just playing the game and that he may be "the one" (my words, not david's). my brain then tells my heart: wtf ?!?!? ... a write-in ron paul vote will create less ripples than a no-vote!

my brain (along with the rest of my body) tells me mccain is border-line senile, is almost completely controlled by other forces and simply too dumb to be president of anything. so, i suppose that's something: don't vote republican!! no matter what, ... no gop!

obama's pockets are full (fuller than mccain's) because it turns out that he has been on the pay-roll of all these illuminati companies (fannie and freddie). he may also have forged his birth certificate making him ineligible to run for president--if so--he might get blackmailed. (it's a little joke i have with my friends: yeah we'll get our 1st black president ... but we'll get our first black president ... ... for about a month).

so, what am i to do??? little help here dc. i guess i'm left with two options: vote obama and take a chance in the fact that you may have participated in a positive way in a world-changing event (or that you may have been suckered in to a movement that is much more pernicious than anyone originally thought) or write-in ron paul and be able to sleep well the rest of your days (but know that you made zero impact).

your thoughts? ... ... :o

Adam of All

10-08-2008, 11:42 AM

it has everything to do with what your intentions are. a vote is not only a decision, but also the act of you pushing things in whatever you believe to be the right direction, even if there's only a little bit of force behind that push. don't forget the 100 monkey effect, or the group meditation in jordan. your small vote does count, much more than you think it does... even in a corrupt system. you can only do what you feel is best, and as long as you do that, your voice will combine with the many others who are saying the same thing, and it will be heard.

Ewhaz

10-08-2008, 02:19 PM

well, for one thing, dw has mentioned in his various seminars that they can nolonger look forward in time to sway the votes their way.. that states one of two things.. they can't outright cheat.. because it would be so entirely obvious. they can fudge a little, but that's about it. so in the end, your vote does count, because it's a thermostat for them to follow.. does it directly translate? no.. we all know that.. the electoral collage was outdated with things like the phone and especially now with high tech communication. but it's still there because its a buffer between us, the people, and their intentions. they never thought our opinion mattered, only enough to keep us happy and not rioting in the streets.

ron paul was my first choice too.. i liked his message and how he came off. i'll be voting for obama this round though, for one thing, ron doesn't have a chance, so while i would like to vote for him.. doing so won't help this country. so obama is the next logical choice. now.. yes he's playing the game.. for him it's the end game scenario and he can flop back after he's elected. however in the mean time he may have to make a few sacrifices otherwise he won't be in any position to be elected. we know the nasty games they like to play, and this may be his way of trying to keep them from pulling out all the stops, giving in a little so that they think they can control him.. but in the end he knows what is at stake.

politics was always a dirty job.. that's why no one likes to talk about it.

checkmate

10-08-2008, 04:32 PM

hi everyone, i'm new to the forum and stumbled upon this thread.

when i first heard about obama's campaign i was confused as to how this man could come out of nowhere and gain so much support. that always sends up a flag for me.

however, after much attention to his appearances and messages i've developed a strong gut feeling about him and my gut feelings are rarely wrong. yes he has some powerful and undesirable people backing his presidency as any candidate has to have.

i've wondered about his silence on specific issues until lately, when he's definitely opening up to what he wants to accomplish. this is not new, it's part of the dirty politics game. if you come out and bear your soul as to what you want to accomplish, you don't get very far in the game.

i see obama as just playing the chess game very aptly. recent events have confirmed my feelings even more. these bitter attacks by mccain about his middle name, associations with former undesirables. but, somehow i still am convinced that he is the real maverick here and is waiting for the "i"s to be dotted and the "t"s to be crossed before we find out exactly what he has planned. his message of hope is inspiring many people who have previously given up on any representation. that is a very positive thing in my view.

his one message that resonates with me is that change is not going to come about by playing into corporate and financial corporations agendas of "trickledown economics". this has never worked! his one constant message is that change will happen for this country from the bottom up, the foundations of our society, the forgotten ones. i also see this as the only hope for this country. i also get the feeling that obama is restraining himself in order to play the game by the rules created decades ago.

one more point, what are the republicans so afraid of? they are now resorting to racism, innuendo, lies, preying on the fear of the elderly voters and planting dissidents in his audiences on the campaign trail. honestly, what does that tell you?

the republican/bush politics that got us into this mess have used intimidation and blackmail to get their political scams through our current governmental system.

i was warned by a senior career foreign service diplomat before his father became president that "if bush becomes president, the country is in for some hard times and a rude awakening". at the time i didn't believe it could be that bad. looking back i now understand the message he tried to give to me. i also wonder how he had this information.

mccain is the past and obama is the future.

thank you for giving me this oportunity to state my views.

Felicatra

10-09-2008, 03:06 AM

obama is, hopefully, working the game.

if he were working this game the way he morally should, he'd most likely be along side the other morally straight politicians. you know, the ones you never hear about. the ones who lost.

be well..

Babyblue

10-12-2008, 09:57 AM

i recently received a panicked email from a friend of mine, she was in a state, she believes that obama is the anti christ, what do others here think?
is there really any one leader better then another if the "management" shall we call them, control everything?
i feel so much fear and info pouring fourth right now its overwhelming.
personally i think that the darkness is within us and only when we change ourself will we see outer world changes.
love babyblue x x x

Rhonda

10-12-2008, 05:11 PM

i saw this at another site, and it felt true. don't let fear block your own knowing, your own heart, your own realization of the truth.

the anti-christ is not one individual person,

war is anti-christ...hate is anti-christ...separation is anti-christ...needless poverty and starvation is anti-christ...unaffordable, unaccessible medical treatment or medicine is anti-christ...suffering is anti-christ...materialism and greed are anti-christ...religious dogma is anti-christ...judgement is anti-christ...killing in the name of god is anti-christ

i recently received a panicked email from a friend of mine, she was in a state, she believes that obama is the anti christ, what do others here think?
is there really any one leader better then another if the "management" shall we call them, control everything?
i feel so much fear and info pouring fourth right now its overwhelming.
personally i think that the darkness is within us and only when we change ourself will we see outer world changes.
love babyblue x x x

peace, i leave with you
john 14:27

Babyblue

10-13-2008, 01:19 AM

yes, i'm of the same thinking i just wanted to put it out there and get confirmation i guess, i had a dream once where god told me that the anti-christ is sacred too , perhaps when we all stop judging things as bad or wrong or evil we will finally unite with the oneness and find peace.
maybe thats what the beast is, the beast inside all of us which has been ruling for too long, its time for the higher self to step in then real change will occur.
love babyblue x x x

PriestOfLight

10-13-2008, 11:14 AM

if going by obama's actions... he really doesn't stand apart from the rest of the politicians in dc. it is kind of hard to imagine that this man would act differently once he gains access to the oval office.

i do really hope he is "playing" the political game to indeed gain access to the oval office, and once he does, he has a positive impact on the world like david believes. that would indeed be a miracle, and that is something that we desperately need right now.

if he doesn't play the game, he would be shut out immeadiately. yet, no matter what happens it is represent of the present consciousness.

besides david's thoughts on the matter, the hopi prophecy seems to be in parallel with him. i believe he may be a catalyst for the shaking with both hands or the reason the shaking starts.

if you are in a peaceful place, it does not matter either way. the ones not awakened will get the push they require. the universe doesn't waste. :)

light and love,

paul

eyez4096

10-13-2008, 01:14 PM

as far as obama, it seems to me that he is absolutely playing the political game, as he absolutely must do. if he's half as smart as i suspect he is, he's well aware that he needs to say and do some silly things to get elected. if he's half as morally sound as i suspect he is, he'll likely do as much of what is needed as he can get away with while maintaining public support once in office. in the mean time he has to do what's popular with the polls. not supporting this bill, when it's almost guaranteed that things will get worse regardless, would mean that if it failed to pass and things got worse (as they would), he could be labeled as someone failing to act on behalf of the country's crisis. on the other hand, supporting it, and having it not work (since it won't), and being adamant that it was an imperfect bill but something needed to be done, leaves him politically unscathed. he can always blame the rest of the politicians for being unwilling to create a better legislation.

-charles

Rhonda

10-13-2008, 01:49 PM

babyblue, i agree with you. we are all part of a world that contains/offers duality in all that we do. we are given opportunties in each and every moment, an opportunity to be real and true to self and one another. when we are real to each other, (no judgement) nothing else exist in our heart.

yes, i'm of the same thinking i just wanted to put it out there and get confirmation i guess, i had a dream once where god told me that the anti-christ is sacred too , perhaps when we all stop judging things as bad or wrong or evil we will finally unite with the oneness and find peace.
maybe thats what the beast is, the beast inside all of us which has been ruling for too long, its time for the higher self to step in then real change will occur. love babyblue x x x

the real, true self of each of us are so loving and gentle. we only want for the best for all, nothing else matters.

The Wonderer

10-13-2008, 05:37 PM

i trust no one. i am black. barack obama is black. every black person i know supports him. why? he seems to be a messiah compared to the person that has been in charge for the last 8 years. the problem i always see is my black friends and family only supporting and voting obama just because he is black. they should be only voting for him because of him claims and promises no matter how authentic they may be.

politics is corrupted. always been, and always will be. barack obama, is a mystery. we don't know who he truly is. pre presidency and post presidency is really the tale of two halves. you say what people want to hear, you laugh and smile, and once you get elected its the other way around.

now, if barack obama is as corrupted as the other crooks in washington, then we are in for a hellish ride.:( however, if he truly has good intentions, i expect to see massive change that no longer benefits the rich and the elite(as well as secret societies), but the people who have suffered. i really do not know if something will truly happen in 2012. heck i don't know if 2012 will be another y2k. what i do know is, change is coming. people will finally realize what is really going on, and they will be infuriated on how these psychopathic global elite viewed us as. profit, property, and product.

the only problem is, will those who cannot except the truth finally accept the truth?

KassandraLoves

10-14-2008, 12:25 AM

i agree...

the really great thing is, though....

a major shift in consciousness is coming no matter who the heck is the president.

it does matter if its oscar the grouch. we will all be here experiencing the most amazing love and oneness despite everything thats going on. its all an illusion...titles do not matter...all that matters is love.

and if barack cant bring it, if sarah whats-her-bucket cant bring it, if oscar the grouch cant bring it....then we will!!!!! :d:d

PriestOfLight

10-15-2008, 09:00 PM

in dw's latest mpeg he mentions that the tibetan priests have been releasing their secrets of raising consciousness. he said that to raise consciousness they said their secret was to transend all fear and hope.

a thought crossed my mind,

mccain = fear
obama = hope
third party candidates = unknown

isn't it best in these situations to hit the unknown? obama seems more viable but i keep getting this nagging feeling.

love and light

paul

paul

Charles

10-18-2008, 12:37 PM

this is my first writing here.

some people are still undecided about who to vote for, and i'm astonished. david wilcock (on these pages dw ?) has told us many clear, easily believable and outlandish things. so why is it so hard to believe that dw has also told us that obama is free from the illuminiti ???

i've been told that i cannot write about political issues . . . but still, it's simple, all you need consider is basic morality. joy is calming and will help everyone relax enough to further open our hearts.

mccain and palins political rallies are dangerous. they lie about obama, and their supporters scream out terrorist !! scream out kill him !! and this in a country which already has a history of presidents being murdered. neither mccain or pailin try to quiet the crowds, in fact they smile and create this deliberately. it's shameful and disgusting. it's sinful.

mccain's ads are frightening.
obama's ads have him advising parents to turn off the tv and to read to their children.

please vote for the man who delights and inspires.

i believe obama may be a wanderer, the best president to ready us for the shift. i don't for a moment believe that about mccain. we can vote for a possible light, and hope . . or we can vote for war and fear.

btsumm

10-18-2008, 03:52 PM

Babyblue

10-20-2008, 04:05 AM

i did a tarot on obama and got ace of cups and 9 of cups, very positive cards.
when i first saw him i wasn't overwhelmed by him, but i cannot help but feel a little hope.
my friends think he is a clone of a pharoa or the anti christ!!!! heeheehee, who can tell, all i know is that i think cain is a definite no no
love babyblue x x x

vjvousden

10-27-2008, 08:51 PM

this may have nothing to do with this thread but i have regular dreams of helping obama behind the scenes, off stage. i hear the people cheering and see him go out into the bright lights of the stage and i'm busy doing things back stage like making sure things are in order, papers ready, lights are on, so forth. i can say i have one of these dreams a week and have for about 3 months. the latest one, i actually had face-to-face contact with him and he shook my hand and said how grateful he was for all my help. he was a very nice and sincere man. i was conscious of shaking his hand with gentleness as i realized he shook so many hands his own were painful. i didn't note anything evil or deceptive about him. he seemed genuine and caring. i also got he was being quiet about somethings that were good for everyone but the few who control things don't need a "heads up" at this time. he will speak about this if/when he's elected. just funny for me to dream about him so much, me, who is pretty much apolitical. i see that david w. is saying things that sort of back up what i got from these dreams. i just wonder if lightworker-type people are influencing things behind the scenes, in the astral? i think it is possible.

all the best and for the whole world as well as us (one and the same!:d )
valarie

Betty

11-02-2008, 12:00 AM

yossarian

11-02-2008, 01:22 AM

what is to stop the neocons from rigging the election on tuesday? knowledgeable testimony has stated the software in the electronic voting machines can be easily tampered with. this has been done in 2000 and 2004. ususally the change has been subtle from 49$ to 51%. what is to stop them from fliping the results from 48% to 52% or 45$ to 55%? the media has been emphasizing the landslide that obama will win by. what would happen if the votes are switched? we do need to think of such a scenario so we can think about a response. the negative elite would love to have us riot and give them an excuse for marshall law.
david gives the best example of a response: that is the story of the buddhist monk who keeps slapping his pupil with a fan even after the pupil asks him to stop. finally the pupil grabs the monk's hand and tells him to stop then the monk tells the pupil he has learned.
if the election is rigged we need to call our senator and representatives. we need to seriously bring these people who have rigged our elections to justice. to riot would be foolish. constant unrelenting gentle pressure will be the way to go.
be not overcome with evil but overcome evil with good.

i say, wait and see, and then decide. i don't think america, as a conscious being, is going to allow tampering. i think they're going to act as a collective and make sure they get their pick this time.

practically speaking, the reason vote rigging worked in 2004 is that it was an extremely close race. the race was decided by like 500 votes in the last tally. this amount of variance is extremely hard to detect and prove - it takes time to build a case. the public didn't know for sure that it was rigged until months after bush was already sworn in and by then the media had plausible deniability to completely ignore any election matters.

this time it's going to be a blowout. obama is on track for 350+ electoral votes. the amount of vote tampering for mccain to win not only would be a huge operation, but it would be instantly detected by exit polls.

right now if mccain wants to win he's required to carry every swing state and break into pennsylvania and new hampshire. it's an extremely long shot and would require a lot of vote tampering. so far mccain has had very weak support from his own party, both in terms of money and volunteer work. if the votes are rigged, we will know about it very quickly from exit polls, and that is when americans may have to make a hard choice. (although my guess is that the gop won't even bother to rig it this time - most of them have already conceded this election and are looking to the 2010 elections.)

leo scone

11-02-2008, 07:21 AM

a bit of hermetic wisdom from the ever useful kybalion to apply in examining this election and the top two candidates:

all apparent pairs of opposites are effects of the same cause, identical in nature, merely different in degree.

this minds us not to automatically choose that which appears "good" over that which appears "evil" for such choice sustains duality. a vote for good is a vote for evil in the sense that one cannot exist without the other.

it is equilibrium that america and the world need now. obama may well be useful as a tool to bring our polarity back towards the center, but our goal is not to keep the pendulum swinging madly back and forth. obama is mccain's polar opposite, and thus may represent a different extreme which we are also not seeking.

so while a mccain/palin rally is a frightening and ugly thing to witness, almost entirely negative, an obama rally is just as frightening for the crowds are just as rabidly behind their candidate, only they are way more blissed-out. but they are just the same in supporting us vs. them mentality. which is exactly where the illuminaughties would like to keep us. divided.

obama doesn't need to be one of them to serve them. and mccain wouldn't wage war by himself. neither of these men can do anything alone. the presidency is still greatly a figurehead position.

as for voting fraud, of course it is going on. reports are already in on electronic votes swapping dem to rep. registered voters are being disenfranchised because of clerical typing errors (acorn). and if the american people won't allow it this time, why are we using electronic machines at all?!

by all means participate. my vote is already cast (i wish they'd stop advertising now, i'm done!) and i'll say i cast it in the middle. just take a moment when you vote (those of you here in the usa) and make it a whole vote, one intended to heal and unify. not under someone's banner (no us/them!) but in awareness of the whole.

Rhonda

11-02-2008, 05:45 PM

hello everyone, i do truly believe that our thoughts can and do create. lets all be careful to express our self in its purest light. let no negative games of man enter thy visions or thoughts. and let our words, action aligned with our truest thoughts.

we do need to think of such a scenario so we can think about a response. the negative elite would love to have us riot and give them an excuse for marshall law.

be not overcome with evil but overcome evil with good.

lets all experience and be part of a new beginning on 11/04/08. let peace ~flow~ in the depths of all.

dazcox

11-02-2008, 06:27 PM

i'm in the usa so the election is a big deal here right now...

i agree with those of us that feel that it is better to look at 'both sides' as one group rather than develop a 'us vs them' attitude, as they are us!

people think i am apathetic or merely a dreamer when i tell them that i am not voting for either a democrat or a republican but if you want real change you have to work towards what all of us want, not the arbitrary sides that simply divide us.

onething

11-03-2008, 12:01 AM

it almost seems as if the universe has presented the american people with a metaphor for the upcoming shift and the polarization we are all to choose. the difference between the candidates is nothing less than stark, and that difference is reflected in their ads and in their followers.

as someone said, the difference between war and fear, versus hope and inspiration. i worry about obama, wonder how sincere he is, wonder if/how the illuminati will control him, wonder if a good person even has a chance to get where he is, and i do note that he does speak in platitudes and vagueness. ron paul he is not. but - ron paul also couldn't get elected because he doesn't play the game.

but obama is galvanizing people toward the positive so he is having a positive effect regardless of who he really is. i have voted only 3rd party candidates for 20 years, yet i just voted for obama. how could i not?

Asa

11-03-2008, 11:38 PM

i think at this time that i will have to agree with dw in some degree. i don't think that it really makes much difference who anyone chooses to vote for as it seems that the die was cast some time ago by the group consciousness and what is going to happen is going to happen. the only caveat that i will echo is that it doesn't matter from whom it comes but violation of an individual's free will is a violation of an individual's free will. it doesn't matter whether i dress it up and say it is for the good of god and country or whether i say it is for the benefit and good of those who, for any number of reasons [including karmic ones] don't have as much as someone else.

there will be wrongs done by both sides so a time of forgiveness will be upon us shortly for all numbers from both ends of the spectrum. a gentle reminder--materiality was never what the "american dream" was about. it was about integrity, honesty and hard work. the fulfillment one got by achievement that was benchmarked by various materiality indicators that was gained from one's own effort. to be given what others have mistakenly labeled to be the "american dream" is going to be hollow and without nourishment. let us hope that the catalysts for growth that is soon to be upon us will result in many, many more turning toward the seeking of the love and light.

may we all seek not power over others but the sharing of love and knowledge of the one infinite creator.

transiten

11-04-2008, 09:15 AM

hi

both capital-ism, commun-ism and social-ism not to forget naz-ism is about material-ism,

"this ism and that ism ism ism ism
all we are sying is give peace a chance"

john lennon (if you didn't know...lol)

as long as the spiritual love and wisdom are not present in "politics" it will not "work out"

transiten

Largo

11-04-2008, 11:15 AM

well folks...

what an interesting thread...many differing viewpoints...

my reflection on this is as follows...
now... i'm not gonna vote today...as i can prove that i'm not an american citizen....
i'm a swedish citizen.....
and...i can assure you...that my "auntie" is not planning to move to the us....
and...my second name is not hussein...so i'm not gonna run for president in 2012...:d:d

joke aside...

but let's go back in time...
consider we are in the year of 2003... us at war with iraq...
and... i post here about this vision of mine....
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"folks... i have a vision of a man...
who has a white american biological mother....
who has a black african biological father...
who is partly raised by a muslim step father in indonesia...
accused of being a socialistic islamic terrorist...
accused of wanting to orchestrate the demise and ruin of the us society...

and...get this..
with the name of:

barack hussein obama..

and...folks...he will be running for president at 2008 as one of the candidates...
...and he will probably win the race too!"
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now...would you'd believe me back then...?

"times they are a-changin' " aren't they...? :d:d

only my 2 cents...

largo

FIIISH

11-04-2008, 02:59 PM

well, i voted for barack obama.

i was going to sit this election out
due to cynicism and lack of faith in the
election process.

however, david's blogs regarding how we need
to create the future that we want helped
to change my mind and motivate me to vote.

i believe obama represents hope for positive change.

i hope i have chosen correctly, and that others do as well.

i hope the election is not tampered with.

i hope that after today, things get better and not worse.

KassandraLoves

11-04-2008, 06:00 PM

...the illusion of president is an intruiging one.

lets remember to not let presidentail candidate selection be another reason to feel "seperate" from eachother. lets love eachother no matter who the heck he/she voted for. if we start being disdainful to one another due to these petty small things, then we are creating visions of exactly what the negatives would like us to.

lets stop considering the things that make us different, and start recognizing the things that make us the same. we all want a great "leader" to come and clean up shop so to say, right? well that just shows that we all really want to succeed here on this globe and we want to do the best for eachother. and that is something to rejoice about! :d

lets be our own presidents of our sacred minds and act as if we are always doing whats best for our kind, our countries, and our brothers and sisters here. the world will be a much better place with that in force.

love you guys!!!!

Djonne

11-04-2008, 09:57 PM

i'm personally not very happy with that new, as i really wished ron paul was elected, as to me, has the best ideas, the most citizen aimed plan.

anyway, what do you think will happen with obama and his plan.

astraya

11-04-2008, 10:51 PM

one giant step for america with obama as president!

best of luck in the upcoming months and during the transition.

transiten

11-05-2008, 12:03 AM

what a wonderful day to wake up!

first thing i hear on radio! obama is elected the first coloured president in america! it's historical, i'm crying tears of joy and relief:) and on top of that a beautiful message from bob riedel that make me start crying over and over again.

what more :)is shining and the universe gave me back a liberated contact with my father, sister and brother and my recently deceased step-mother who was extremely jealous, came to me through a medium and blessed our reunion.

liliane the transit

Babyblue

11-05-2008, 12:46 AM

yeahhhhhh for obama he won! he doesnt represent a lopsided duality, he is the ying and yang, the dark and the light in one, he brings opposing forces in to balance.
i am not against mccain but for renewal, hooray for the usa..... you voted in an angel, he is a red self existing skywalker, a heavens messenger.
lets all begin the time of divine government, our higher self in charge.... for a change!
love and joyous new beginnings
babyblue x x x

checkmate

11-05-2008, 06:08 AM

well he is now our new president, lets all hope for positive changes.

KassandraLoves

11-05-2008, 09:32 AM

i am very happy about obama's election also and cried tears of joy as i watched this all unfold last night.

however, id like to say this:

wow. look at how america really rallied for change!!!!!! i dont care who is in "office" beyond the fact that america finally showed that she is ready to be different!!!! and that made me cry out of pure happiness. that finally after years of destruction and poverty and craziness, americans actually stepped up and said together, we as a nation are ready to be different, to be better, and to really get back to our roots of change and liberty and start benefitting all who live here, not just a few. we have needed so badly to change for a very long time now. and at last we are ready to make those changes and be better...i couldnt be any happier about this decision...

obama is an "icon", if you will, of that decision for change. and we are ready for it, we choose it now.

that, my friends, is amazing. that is history in the making. that was the single most important thing about all this hooplah.

spread the love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :d:d:d

Sarahmay

11-05-2008, 10:39 AM

it's a beautiful day in america, in all respects. i feel the vibrations rising, and the golden age approaching. whatever happens in the coming years, and there will be hard times for some of us, we have this moment of alignment with source. this is the now moment i've been waiting for, and i plan on staying there.

1VibrationalEnergy

11-05-2008, 10:53 AM

its the change in the fractal universe that led us to this point. dont give your energy or power anymore to these politicians.

one love to all

Bluebird1711

11-05-2008, 11:18 AM

i want to congratulate president elect obama on an inspiring campaign full of positivity and hope.

coming from the uk i think i can speak for many and say the whole world will view the usa so much more positively after 8 years of george bush.

it's a new and fresh start for america which i hope will reverberate around the world and make us come to realise we all have so much more in common than we do differences.

i wish obama well on his difficult task. let's all pull together and make this wonderful planet the beautiful place that we know it is.

love to all.

jim

Rhonda

11-05-2008, 11:19 AM

i am so very excited for u.s.a and the world and all of us. this change has brought hope " again " in many thoughout the united states, but also throughout our world.

i believe with this change, this election, their is a new opening of thoughts, which will lead to action, which can create great change. this new created change has the ability to effect all walks of life on earth.

the hope will heals
the healing is good for the heart and soul
the heart is lifted and lite
the light becomes brighter
the love shines through and through

the year 2008, what a great thought of a new beginning that has come !

Rhonda

11-05-2008, 12:09 PM

odd, but i had 2 dreams this morning with obama and his family. 1 was at his home, a country vacation type home that they were looking at using. his whole family were in the dream along with obama. then we all went driving back into town, me in front seat with obama driving, he was asking alot of questions about me....and what i do and what i do......

second we were all at a party...., election type party, again the family was all around and i was part of the group and family that were there. i was asked to try a hot drink, like coffee, but not, that was blue. something sweet, i remember and i liked....

anyway, i just thought i would share, i can still remember alot of the dream, even now.... interesting... and obama was very pleasant

astraya

11-05-2008, 11:23 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/blotter/story?id=6191835&page=1

how much information will obama get during the "top secret briefing"? how much does he already know? an interesting alliance he has with oprah if he wanted to awaken the populace...

weboy78

11-07-2008, 01:31 PM

hello, i'm italian and i want to make excuses to obama by many italians that are very happy for his victory, we find in obama a very spiritual light and guide for the future of the world.
also we in italy are in an awakening process and we have to win our spiritual battle. :)

Sol_Invictus7

11-07-2008, 08:04 PM

si, chiude la cheisa! per sempre!

yes, david is so right on, it's amazing.

it should be obvious the positive vs the negative as this scenario has unfolded

nothing feels impossible now

rustanddust

11-07-2008, 08:47 PM

i really hope that obama's presidency means something positive....i feel so afraid of being let down or something.

and even if he is someone who genuinely wants to change things....how much can he do? how much influence and power does a president really have? but i can't help but feel hopeful.

PriestOfLight

11-07-2008, 10:14 PM

KassandraLoves

11-08-2008, 12:56 AM

....how much can he do? how much influence and power does a president really have? but i can't help but feel hopeful.

the president has no power unless the people give it to him/her. thats the great thing. its all about all, not all about the preseident.

and dont let fear keep you from investing. the only way we learn is from the "bad." invite it and welcome it as a learning experience that adds fuel to your beautiful spiritual fire of strength. :)

vjvousden

11-08-2008, 12:54 PM

kassandralove is right. all of us together will do this, not one person. obama is intelligent, level-headed and tempered and i think from what i've read by people behind the scenes he is sincere and says things i've heard only awakened people say. he is no "savior of the world" but he has the ability to merge many into one goal and if he can do with the citizens of this sceptical country as well as the world what he did with his ground forces in the campaign (promoting strong community effort and commraderie for the good of all) we have a shot at this new era. it won't happen fast, maybe not even in only 4 years of his presidency but it will be a beginning and an eye-opener (maybe i should say mind-opener) for many people. i sincerely wish him a world of good fortune, that he stays true to his goals as promised and hope we can all do this together. it will take a majority of us working together (this includes oversights and reminders if necessary). i'm willing. i want peace for this planet, i want stewardship to begin now, i want all to see us for the brothers and sisters we are. i am hopeful that this is a turn around point. and i want to help in some way to bring more light. i have to find that niche yet.

weboy78, i wish you well and every good thing in the awakening coming for your country! may it come with ease rather than with turmoil! much love...
valarie

astraya

11-09-2008, 07:19 PM

i hope we don't have to wait until this girl grows up, but i would support her for prime minister!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0aztmwjqog

metaman

11-10-2008, 09:39 AM

as we move from the 5th night to the sixth day of the mayan calendar on november 14th the consciousness of power will be completely phased out for ethics consciousness.

it is not a coincidence that obama was elected to replace the power monger currently in place. this is right in line with the changing vibration of consiousness. look for similar things to happen all over the world cooperate, local, and international. there are good times ahead.

transiten

11-10-2008, 12:48 PM

Rhonda

11-10-2008, 07:17 PM

feeling empathy for our current u.s. president !

let us not forget who we are
we are all love and the life of the universe
yet powerful and beyound any game which our life finds us in
as the chest pieces are moved and removed more are ready until
the last one has been played

love is love, no matter the game
let us reach deep to give and be love to all
let us not hold judgement and blame
for life is a game and each of us are part of it in some fashion or another
either the hero, the victum, the warrior or peacemaker
we each contribute to the whole, playing out the good and bad parts of life

as we move to a period of transformation and healing., let us be love to all
including loving and giving grace to our current president.
let no situation or act have the power to separate our hearts
we are all love and deserve to be love and be loved.
love starts with you, no where else
let your love spread easily
love does move mountains, lets let our love move mountains and
clear room for the new paths that are being created.

one by one, lets continue to heal the energy on earth !

LightEye

11-11-2008, 11:45 AM

dear friends,

http://noosphere.princeton.edu/obama.elected.html

be well, be love.

david

barack obama elected president

barack obama has been elected the 44th president of the united states of america. after nearly two years of intense campaigning in primaries and the general election, voters have given an overwhelming victory to barack obama. "change has come to america," the first african-american leader tells his country.

the gcp prediction for this momentous event was set for the 24 hour period beginning at 15:00 eastern time (20:00 utc) on november 4th. this includes several hours of election day in the us, and enough time for the votes to be counted to determine the winner of the election (assuming the margin would not be razor thin), and continues until most of the world has awakened to begin a day with a new us president-elect.

beginning about two hours before the official announcement that obama had won, the data show a consistent positive trend that continues through the declaration at 23:00 et and his subsequent speech to 125,000 people at grant park in chicago and the public via tv. the formal data segment overall shows a modest positive trend through the 24 hour period. chisquare is 86806.274 on 86400 df, for p = 0.164 and z = 0.977. this represents a relatively large effect size compared with the average of z = 0.33 over the full gcp database.

C-JEAN

11-11-2008, 10:21 PM

hi all.

that win did change the ambiance of all the planet,
in the good way.

now, i will try to google "randon generator" and hope to find
the effects this good news had on them.

any suggestions ?

i will come back here for updates.

mwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmw
08/11/12 14:40 in montreal
i told you ! there is one update !
http://noosphere.princeton.edu/obama.elected.html
. . .
the figure speaks for itself -- remembering that we cannot reliably interpret single events like this,
nevertheless it appears that the election shows at least as strong an effect as the terror attacks.
. . .
mwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmwmw

blue skies.

PriestOfLight

11-12-2008, 10:09 PM

hello

i watched some videos with ron paul stating that obama was elected because he would be the perfect leader for a transition into a one world government controlled by the elite....gosh, i thought ron paul was a nice guy, or what do you guys think of this?

an initiated woman (don't remeber her name or which video) also said that the un now is transformed to facilitate this transition to a one world government....hm, don't want to sound like a pc/pa supporter here:o

liliane transiten

i don't fault ron paul on this issue. he has a right to be skeptical about the transition that is happening. obama is fit for a one world transition and someone has been paying the way for him and no one knows who. ron paul also does not believe in big goverment, which is what the democrats believe in and obama is a democrat. so i believe he is being rightfully skeptical. most should, i think, just to the fact that you are not thinking for yourself if you are not.

here is an interesting fact that dawned on me abot obama when i realized that i have discovered 3 very important things that have come from hawaii so far.

1) barack obama
2) bernard von nothaus (founder of the liberty dollar)
3) mark rodin mathematics

i don't believe that it is merely a coincidence that these three men came from hawaii. if my readings are right, hawaii is some kind of vortex. it exists at 19.5 degrees n/s. i would bet the farm (only cause i don't have one) that consciousness level in the hawaii area is higher then most areas (no pun intended).

each is bringing something new to america.

barack - leadership
bernard - new american currency (possibly)
mark rodin - free energy and a new mathematics (which will bring newer, faster technology then anything that exists at the moment)

bernard and mark rodin both have support from microsoft corporation. i believe alot of microsoft employees donated to obama (initially they donated to ron paul)

the other interesting thing about all three would seem that they are all divinely guided.

rodins says he learned his math by sending his mind to the farthest reaches of the universe

bernard say he talks to god. he was guided to the united states by an undisclosed person.

obama, it is my belief, is spiritual in nature. there are alot of signs that he meditates, but the biggest one is an article on his diet and his good luck piece of a spiritual statue (monkey). i have read he is very strict on his diet. he also has unknown backers that aren't being diclosed. i can't help but feel that these backers are not part of the negative elite. he also fits the hopi prophecy describing the make up of the rainbow warriors (as i wrote this 11:15 came up on my clock)

love and light

paul

Rhonda

11-25-2008, 09:02 PM

is it just me, but i am getting a feeling that obama is to usa is like princess diana was to uk. both carry a positive impression across the world. both very caring for all and not afraid . barack obama certainly has a wonderful heart, it would be great to see another that many people will love and trust again.

as i watch all the excitement for the jan 20th inauguration, it reminds me of the wedding on 29 july 1981 of charles & diana which was watched by a global television audience of 750 million, which i was one of them up @ 3am to witness.

anyway, just thought i would put this thought and connection out....

Babyblue

11-26-2008, 05:37 AM

everyone is love, everyone is perfection, nothing to fear,
we are all a part of the divine plan, paradise draws near,
no matter who pulls the strings, it all comes back to love,
so rest your weary minds, they are rejoicing up above.
change it comes from within so know that you're the one....
that you've been waiting for to see this miracle come.
obama, bush, clinton, blair, they too are family,
illuminati played their role, now its up to you and me,
believe in good, believe in change as this contains the key,
because you control the matrix and your own destiny.

love babyblue

PriestOfLight

11-26-2008, 10:59 PM

i found this picture of orbs at the obama acceptance speech form one of my yahoo groups. it is very interesting to see that many orbs there. there must of been a great vibe going on there.

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h111/pjbaratelli/obamaorbs.jpg

love and light

paul

PriestOfLight

12-01-2008, 07:08 PM

ufologists to speculate that obama is being guarded by fleets or squadrons of ufo's

http://www.allnewsweb.com/page877877.php

love and light

paul

a number of unusual photographs and videos have surfaced showing unusual orbs or discs either circling or flying past obama rallies and events. michael luckman, a new york ufo researcher has compiled a list of these occurrences: one high quality video was filmed showing what appeared to be flying silver orbs at the october 4th obama/springsteen concert and rally, another ufo was filmed and seen by thousands in colorado, a ufo was photographed at a nevada rally and finally orbs were photographed at obama's chicago victory rally.

this has led some ufologists to speculate that obama is being guarded by fleets or squadrons of ufo's. 'being the nation’s first african-american presidential candidate for a major party initially and now the first african-american president-elect, soon to be president, there are many nutcases out there who would be feeling threatened' one expert commented. 'sadly, this nation has a pretty racist past and the old jim crowe laws existed in the lifetimes of many still around today. the ku klux klan is still active and the idea of a black man as president is obviously creating waves of shock amongst america's extreme racist fringe'.

Philip Q

12-06-2008, 12:38 PM

for what it's worth, it seems that the incoming obama administration is drawing people into its outer circle, shall we say, that are exceptionally efficient at getting things straightened out.

i was recently in a nearby town (actually contiguous with the greater metropolitan area here) and picked up a local weekly rag. the big headline was about a city or county councilwoman who was leaving for d.c. before the end of her term to help in a justice organization (as a lawyer) that is dedicated to cleaning up the mess that gonzalez left in the justice department. her résume in local politics is long in accomplishments, and she's not even 40 yet (remember the old hippie saw "don't trust anyone over 30"? this old fart [me] thinks that young blood is what is needed). if there are many more such people surrounding obama both near and far, it looks like a great transformation is indeed about to take place.

peace, philip

Ali Quadir

12-08-2008, 04:28 PM

perhaps this is a crazy idea... it certainly feels like it :)

obama has formed task groups to explore various issues from the economy to the questions of the environment and energy problems. and they're looking for input from the community. especially from garage projects.

would this not be the ideal moment to push information about zero point energy into the whitehouse? i think if someone somewhere has a working prototype in their basement. and they can get someone from that team to look at it. then i think the chance is bigger than ever that the world will end up rejoicing. and my guess is that you get to bypass the normal scientific peer to peer systems if you can demonstrate an actual working model.

i was looking at the [please pm for site link]site. it's definately worth checking out no matter on which side of the fence you sit. and they were very clear about needing all kinds of suggestions and inputs. especially about green energy options. if we believe that this is real.. and we do. then can the two be combined?

this is of course only one idea that can be pushed in that direction.. are there others? my guess is that the most pragmatic solutions will receive the most likely response.

ps. i am a little nervous about posting in the right place. i've used search but saw nothing with this particular angle. (so "go go" mods :) )

kstar

12-13-2008, 06:09 PM

hi all,

from everything i have seen and heard and from what my intuition tells me, obama has an important role for the usa and for the world - i feel that he is there to 'hold the balance' for the duration of the transition in 2012. people are laying a lot of expectations on him to 'fix everything' - and he will - just not in the way you think...but he is a true leader (and wanderer) who has come to show the way and increase the amount of 'light' and love on the planet to help us 'graduate'.

and that is not to diminish our roles of helping too - we are all important 'cogs in the machine' - i think one of the best things we can do is to stop being judgemental about anything or anyone (esp ourselves!) - and to support each other. we all have unique ways of operating in this world and they are all valid (even someone we may think is 'bad' or misguided in some way is still performing a valuable service in providing an impetus for change eg to act in a more enlightened way - wouldn't you agree?)

something that has helped me has been releasing all the judgements about my past actions and forgiving myself and others. it makes you feel lighter to be able to do this and whenever i can i think back through all my experiences and encounters and forgive the actions and people and myself where necessary - it feels good to do this - you can leave behind a lot of 'baggage'. i am so grateful too for all those experiences and that is also liberating.

thank you all for your contributions to this great transformation! let's keep on keeping on and spread our love and joy wherever we go...

finally - here is an good clip i found of an obama speech - and it does appear from this that he knows he has some support from 'off-planet'!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vws9fttqgz4

with love and joy to you all,
kathy

Mozart

01-20-2009, 03:59 PM

hey obama fans,

i really enjoyed the obama inauguration event -- did you?

i made note of his speech and made note of the very frequent screenshots of the washington monument, which is a potent, symbolic symbol of the power of the ptbs who, for the moment, continue to run the world, but in a world in which their power is collapsing as you read this post.

i lost count of how many screenshots of that massive obelisk -- the washington monument -- that was on the tv ... can anyone check youtube and find out? ... as a potent symbolism that our dw refers to in his recent blogs and in his free, online books.

i also noted that obama used the term "new age" frequently, to wit:

...and prepare the
nation for a new age.

and

... and we will transform our schools and colleges and universities
to meet the demands of a new age.

i know that the cia coined the term "new age" that really is the "golden age" that we are moving towards, still, to refer to this age twice in this address is significant, imo.

also obama said this:

... that america must play its role in
ushering in a new era of peace.

yes, we must by forging ahead by forgiving ourselves and others for the transgressions of our distant and recent past, while moving towards our immediate future of peace through the challenges of our current, catalytic events in which we must balance our shadows, along with our inherent, brilliant lights of peace.

and this ...

... to those who cling to power through
corruption and deceit and the silencing of dissent, know that you are on the wrong side of history; but that we will extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.

... this is, to me, a clear statement to the ptbs that they must let go of their iron-grips on their hold on power, while, at the same time, we can forgive them via an amnesty with our moving forward in history.

and this ...

... the instruments with which we meet them may be
new.

... is a neat hint of a new, possible currency that would replace the much-hated us dollars -- the privately-owned federal reserve notes that enrich a powerful few at the expense of many -- with new negotiable instruments to replace the current dollars that we use now. there's been talk about the obama administration's idea of a separate "bank" that would be sort of apart from the federal reserve. hmmm, this may be a step towards a full break from the evil, unaccountable fed towards a currency that is fully owned by the people. the "bank" would not be the actual creators of a new currency -- it would be just a step towards a new, separate bank, as the sheeople of the nation will need to be gently guided towards a new way of banking, hopefully.

there's a lot more, to be sure, in his speech, but this is a start, a promising start.

and this ...

... on this day, we gather because we have chosen
hope over fear, unity of purpose over conflict and discord.

... is a clear pointer of choosing the positive energies of hope over fear, unity over discord, which we -- in america and the world -- must choose in order to have our collective futures manifest those kinds of positive futures, rather than the dark, fearful futures that is feared by many in our world.

time after time, it looks like that our dw's positive views have become reality, rather than the dark, negative views of the alternative community that they've embraced, so i do hope that this positive path continues and amplifies as we move forward to possibly wonderful changes in our collective futures.

Liam

01-20-2009, 04:49 PM

daernoth

01-20-2009, 05:39 PM

i found it very interesting that those 2 congressmen had health problems during the luncheon. seems highly symbolic... like the failing of the old system, that has been supported by both democrats and republicans.

just seemed like too unlikely a thing to happen.

Deerclan

01-20-2009, 09:54 PM

i thought the inauguration was fantastic. obama's speech really resonated with me, to the point that it moved me to tears. and i'm not even american! the only thing i wish he had said is 'god bless the world' as well as 'god bless the united states of america'. i too noticed the constant mention of a 'new age' and i really don't think that is coincidental. i really got the sense the speech was guided by higher forces.

imo obama was on stage today so there were a few things he was obligated to say just to reassure people that he does not plan to turn the nation on its ear overnight. "god bless america" is the title of a song of ours that is almost sacred, and even though i felt his sincerity when he said it, i also think it was a sort of an american ritual he went through. however, i will say it, liam - god bless the world, and god bless england. (and *not* just because my wife is from surrey.)

:)

d/c

Born23EB

01-21-2009, 12:30 AM

a calculation of obamas day of birth flags him as galactic tone=11 eagle.
11 correlates to keynote of resolution defined as : every new creation has to find its place in the universe. in the process of fitting in some modifications must occur. these changes typify the energy of eleven. the direction oracle = water and endings in polarity to element of fire and beginnings.
applying this to emergence of barrack up to the present seems to fit like a glove according to close observation in public consciousness.

KassandraLoves

01-21-2009, 02:22 PM

i didnt think we'd see it this fast, but obama is already crackin down on the "powers that be" and...uhhh...im speechless!!! this is just amazing!!!

i mean, check this article out to see:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090121/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_executive_pay

i know it wont add up to much if he cracks down on salaries, but its the fact that hes getting the point across to these corrupted jerks that, "hey. no more messin around. no more taking advantage. if the country is suffering, we suffer with them."

im so happy :) :) :)

The Wonderer

01-21-2009, 05:22 PM

the look of biden's face is priceless. he looks like he just lost a game or something.

anyway, i am trying to be optimistic and i hope obama is everything david says he is. i am black so i was very proud and happy when obama swore in at the inauguration. very mesmerizing. i am a full believer of the ''golden age'' after 2012 so hopefully obama leads all of us down the positive road.

also, didn't fulford say that obama is protected by the secret society he is a part of. obama seems like he really wants to change the white house and america. the corrupted politicians at the conference looked depressed. if david is right, the people in his cabinet expecting the same ole same old will be pleasantly surprised. may god be with obama if he is in danger. a assassination would cause massive i mean massive riots everywhere.

Happystrings

01-21-2009, 07:04 PM

i just listen to keith olberman interview a former nsa operative, richard till. till told olberman that the nsa had spied on all americans and had records of all our our electronic communications. these records were scanned via meta-analysis for 'certain' pieces of information. in particular till was involved in recording and tracking all communications of the american media...

he also explained how the nsa was able to hide the funds spent on these endeavors, lying to two congressional committees. they told the security committee that the funds were for a defense project and not in their perview to review and told the defense commettee that the funds were for a security commitee and not subject to defense committee review... deception by paperwork shuffle.

oh boy! this is going to get really good! is the nwo rocking back on their heels or what.

i wonder what will be next? regardless, the days of obfuscation are weakeng.

Deerclan

01-22-2009, 02:02 PM

i just listen to keith olberman interview a former nsa operative, richard till. till told olberman that the nsa had spied on all americans and had records of all our our electronic communications.

this is interesting, happystrings. i had been taking this for granted as fact, just on the basis of my experience in working in low levels of government. based on my observations of the type of people drawn to government work, and the power so many of them typically crave, i drew 2 conclusions:

(1) if typical bureaucrats have access to *any* tool that will increase their sense of control over other people, they *will* use it.

(2) given the state of the art of computer technology, it seems far more realistic to assume such monitoring is possible than to assume it is impossible.

so, i've long been in the habit of putting little love-notes into emails to my friends to cheer up the drudgery of any poor government employees who have to sort through the sort of garbage i write on a daily basis. e.g., "homer, i know you're there in a drear gov't office with those horrible old grey steel desks, the middle of another dreary wednesday working for your owners at nsa, bit - cheer up - the sunshine is bright and beautiful outside, and your bosses won't own your dreary soul forever. luv ya, homer. really mean it."

at least it entertained me, and now you give me the delicious information that my love-notes to bureaucrats may have actually been seen! lol

thanks, happystrings. hope you're having a happy day.

KassandraLoves

01-22-2009, 04:03 PM

aaaaaaaaaaand, now obee shuts down gitmo. bam. we are on the fast track ladies and gents!!!

transiten

01-23-2009, 11:42 AM

://obama oh bama bama oh! obama oh! obama bama:// :p

transiten

Born23EB

01-24-2009, 11:34 AM

obamas day glyph resonates a trans personal energy of the eagle, which if expressed in a resolute manner will drive the life path of barack toward bringing about a new beginning. he has the capacity to be an intermediary between heaven and earth. this is an executive function that is worthy of the name. it is interesting that the inauguration day occured on 3 seed-kan. the vibratory frequency of his acceptance speech carried the energy into the public domain of awareness. it is a seeding of a new order of interbeing for humanity. benjamin franklin wrote of this idea as the new atlantis during his life time.

Understanding

01-24-2009, 02:31 PM

on his first full day as president, barack obama issued two executive orders and three presidential memorandum that will start an era of transparent and open government.

http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-honolulu-exopolitics-examiner~y2009m1d22-obama-open-government-memoranda-to-release-ufo-files

Djonne

01-25-2009, 09:36 AM

here is an interesting possible ufo video surrounding obama*mania*

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=rglunxuwcfc

if you click on the link on the side, it says basically that it is a bird, and it appears to really be a bird, but then, in the end, it disappears.
what makes me believe it is a ufo, is the fact if it was a bird, we should be able to see it fly until it gets out of the camera field of vision.

that black thing we can clearly see pass in front of the obelisk, looks pretty small, and quite close to the camera. but at the same time, we can see it disappear just after it passed it, and come back.

if this thing is a bird, then why is it that slim, and that fast, and why do we see it disappear in the end. i think clouds were much higher than 50 meters to hide that bird from the camera.

onething

02-02-2009, 01:43 AM

i don't know how people can not like obama. i try and try but its a losing battle.

first, i stopped voting democrat or republican at least 20 years ago. then, i got so disgusted i vowed not to vote at all any more. but ron paul talks straight like no one else and i planned to vote for him, but instead i voted for obama.

i voted and got my kids to vote for him and mailed my daughter an absentee ballot. if i am wrong i have never been so wrong.
i can't resist obama for the same reason i could never stand the supposedly charming bill. it's what's written in the face.

i have long, frequent an intensely real dreams of spending time with him. we are always completely comfortable with each other, and have little or nothing to say. last night he was stepping out for a cigarrette, and i asked him if i could bum one and smoked with him. (i don't smoke but do occasionally smoke other people's cigarettes.) and part way through the dream it occurs to me that oh, my god, i have time with obama and what important things i must tell him and ask him! last night i said to him, my sister is going to kill me, that i am standing alone with you and asking you nothing!

(my sister is very political.)

wicherink

02-18-2009, 09:10 AM

obama’s masonic inauguration and 2012

barack obama’s pre-inauguration festival january 18th was surrounded by masonic symbolism. it was therefore no surprise that obama was sworn in a second time on january 21st this time in presences of his masonic brethren.

the ‘we are one celebration on january 18th was concluded with an interesting astronomical display shortly after sunset. right behind the masonic obelisk, the star configuration revealed obama’s link with the new age to come. ater all it’s barack obama who will be the president in office at the time the maya calendar transpires on december 21 2012.

read more about obama’s masonic inauguration here:
http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/inauguration%20obama.html

transiten

02-19-2009, 12:19 AM

obama's logo is the rising sun and his sunsign is leo ruled by the sun.:)

we look forward to the opposite symbolism of "the house of the rising sun"
and that the sun will finally shine upon all on earth, our common house in cosmos.

transiten

felixnova

02-26-2009, 12:43 AM

felixnova

02-27-2009, 11:52 AM

you're gonna like this one :)

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/most-emailed-photos-old-executive-office-building-white-house/ss/1756/im:/090223/480/75195d74d61547198470fb0fb469bacb/

the photographer must be a big fan... :d

i'm sorry it appears that yahoo decided to delete that photo in the mean time...
the original link destination pictured barack obama, if i can get a grip of that photo i'll post it here again.

Felicatra

03-15-2009, 02:09 AM

Bill

03-15-2009, 12:47 PM

i noticed that the blown-up photo is no longer available.

also, from the newsweek photo... how do you know those are obama's hands? i am guessing his skin is not that dark... no indication in the photo that those are obama's hands...

FooSnik

03-15-2009, 12:54 PM

here's a pic of obama with a mason ring. this is a blown up pic from mike bara's site.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_eaaxuonwoea/szrpiswgzli/aaaaaaaaadq/auqkmeoluti/s1600/obama_ring_3.gif

this is the original, from the newsweek site.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/138611

be well.

when i clicked on the link nothing came up. but it would be very interesting to see.

check this out:

do you want this guy to come out with guns blazing and go the same way of jfk?

i am not saying he is the savior. but if he was smart at all he would not make it obvious of what his intentions are.

his life would be switched off like a light. he would go the same way that jfk and lincoln did.

yes he has profited greatly off of this system. but can a man do what he needs to do to survive and still have a heart? i think so.

he needs to turn the heat up slowly just like the elite did.

i have to agree with this. i think the verdict is still out on obama. whether he is the knock out punch of the nwo or he somehow manages to bring these elite guys to there knees. he is brilliant.

but i think the larger point here is that it is not up to him. it is up to us. together.

Chris Hamilton

03-15-2009, 03:20 PM

from felicatra: this is the original, from the newsweek site.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/138611

i saw this and, being the stickler i am for authentic and reputable information, i went online and found any obama pics that had his right hand visible. the first thing i noticed in the newsweek picture was that this article was written june 2, 2008!.....hmmmm, me thinks, why would obama be handling the seal like that waaay before he was in office:confused:

in looking at obama's hands in the photos i found, nowhere did i see a ring on his right hand. his wedding band is visible all the time on his left hand, but no ring on his right hand. also, obama's fingers are long and slender with slender nails. the newsweek picture is of someone with rather chunky fingers with fat nails. also in the newsweek pic, you can't see any wedding band on the left hand at all. i have to conclude that the newsweek photo is showing someone else's hands and is not obama. chris

Deerclan

03-15-2009, 03:34 PM

chris, i used to encourage my clients & students to make a determined effort to look at things using both their heart & their head. i have found by experience that whenever individuals feel "stuck," that it's often because they are looking at things *only* with their head, or *only* with their heart.

i think you did a great job here of illustrating how a person can get un-stuck from a situation that tugs at the heartstrings by kicking the intellect into gear & adding the fruit of intellectual labor to the heart's moanings.

great example, nice work. thanks. :)

- deerclan

Elo Zorn

03-17-2009, 09:54 AM

first of all, i'd like to say hello to everyone! i'm new to the forum and this is my first post.

i didn't read this complete thread so forgive me if i'm repeating anything here...when deliberating whether obama will bring forth positive change or not, we should not forget to look at the people behind him...where the real power lies.

whether obama himself is a good person or not isn't the issue here as far as i'm concerned. just look at the people responsible for getting him to the presidential platform, the people working directly with him now since he won the election and what he's actually been doing since becoming president (such as sanctioning missle strikes on pakistan, and devoting at least 17000 more soldiers to afghanistan to make a couple examples).

intuitively, this guy has rubbed me wrong since he first showed his face. now that i've looked into him a little and he's had time to take action, i feel it's pretty obvious this man won't be the beakon of change many make him out to be.

obama's inner circle includes names like zbigniew brzezinski, henry kissinger, hillary clinton and many others cherry picked from from cfr, trilateral, bilderberg group and bill clinton's old roster...and please don't just take my word for it, this info is readily available to anyone interested in further investigation from many different credible as well as fringe sources.

is obama not the perfect trojan horse, the perfect face to covertly feed the same old agenda to an america that is fed up with the old white man holding the spoon?

daniel

Aghsan Branch

03-17-2009, 06:54 PM

thanks elo, your role in this discussion is an important and brave one.and i share your misgivings.

however i have taken some space to think about this and what i'd like to say is not just a response to you or what you said. often tragedy is what brings people together and this is a true dilemma. can we avoid the suffering the nwo would bring?

maybe if it is shown that obama's intentions are not out of love we can bring to focus a new picture of hope. i present that if it this is true, we can turn away from these feelings of deceit and look towards the more important occurance of unity and hope, that did arise from the obama phenomena. is love and unity still possible without obama? could these feelings as projected from/towards obama really be seen as already present in us all as reflections of our own capacity for love and unity and not just brainwashing, sheep being led or mass hypnosis?

i do worry that the masses have been lulled back to sleep (sheep-if you like pun) and will require a wake up call. how to prevent this...we need to become empowered not transfer it.

agh

Felicatra

03-17-2009, 08:01 PM

wow..excellent catch chris!!

i apologize for calling this "confirmed" when it obviously wasn't upon further inspection.

i've also read that the hands are sporting a different watch than obama usually wears, as well as no wedding ring. i've had troubles finding good pics to support this.

again..thanks for clearing this up.

be well...

aqcheryl

03-18-2009, 03:40 AM

hello,
i am new to the forum as well... and as the person afore me - elo, i have not read all 17 pages... but i do want to interject that i agree with elo 100%.

ive never been one to follow what others tell me - as a child i questioned everything... so in that sense, i was not asleep. but i was asleep in that i never cared about politics much in the sense that i never bothered to look at whose who or what they are doing and if they are serving are interests. i fancy centuries ago vs present day, :d

ive been watching obama closely - i preferred him to mccain, but from the start i was questioning things i was seeing... such as the media portraying him as the next messiah - disturbing. seeing the things that are being enacted every since he was sworn in. i would imagine that if he was on the good side, no he wouldnt want to pull a jfk, and yes he would need to be very careful about his actions - but he would still be fighting his 'orders'. instead we are seeing him be very active in pushing towards the nwo agenda.

i do feel that we need to awaken the public to the nwo agenda - to the illuminati - and to what our government is doing - but i also feel that with that comes great responsibility. because truth leads to fear, and as david has said, fear feeds their agenda. right now i do feel that he indeed is that trojan horse, and we welcomed him in.
at the same time, i work to keep any cynicism from my heart due to the fact that it is indeed, negativity, and i do so very much hope obama will pull a snape in the end.

i do believe hope is a positive thing, because it provides elation at the time of imaginative discourse. it accumulates positivity when you focus on hope, and that is a very good feeling to be sending out indeed... ;)

Aghsan Branch

03-18-2009, 05:04 PM

thank you aqcheryl for these amazing words!

i do believe hope is a positive thing, because it provides elation at the time of imaginative discourse. it accumulates positivity when you focus on hope, and that is a very good feeling to be sending out indeed...

this is a new understanding of hope for me and i am grateful of this!

i can echo everything you have said about obama. the clues seem to point in the direction of a let down for the good people of this world. and yet i hope that all remain aware with a critical look toward future events if the nwo's plan is to continue to work behind the scenes protected by the false image obama would project onto the people. o what lengths he could convince the people to go to. we truly must protect ourselves and who we would trust.

my ultimate hope is that an obama letdown would not devastate the world but rather cause the world to galvanize the ideals they saw in his leadership. not unite behind another patriarchal politician but unite amongst each other with hope and love. in this way the nwo's plan would backfire and the people would surely advance in conscious evolution for have not engaging in violent revolution. maybe an obama figure would be easier for us to forgive? a new world is quickly coming into view.

peace be with us all,
agh!

aqcheryl

03-18-2009, 08:02 PM

lol thanks
i felt i needed to mention this, because everywhere you look, people start to laugh if you have hope, or judge you by saying you are naive to do so and if you want something to occur you need to take the reins and do it yourself.

i disagree with that, i do not believe hope should be associated with taking the bull by the horns, so to speak; they are entirely different and therefore have no relation to even compare.

i feel that to lose hope, is to bring in more negativity, and those who want to end hope want to allow negativity to dominate the planet. it is merely another of the fear campaign. they have led us all to believe that we do not have individual power, and we do; and hope is just one of these tools in our belt, even if at a smaller level.

i have heard that obama is our last president, and i think perhaps this is true.

however, i hope this is not too ot for this thread, but it is my understanding that indeed, we will ascend, but even as we do, we will not disappear, we will still be in our bodies and we will still have our jobs and goals and dreams and family. the difference is that we will be awakened to the 4th dimension level of understanding. that is what i have come to understand within. i see many saying the rapture is going to happen where we disappear, and when i focus on spirit, the feeling that returns to me (not of my own) is that thats not right.

what the media doesnt show, and what i have seen alot in the past, is that the world is awakening, there are many peace rallies and enlightened souls, and its spreading like wildfire, and america is slow on the uptake - this is due to two reasons, the media brainwashing, and those who believe that the true source of divinity lies from an outside source and not within. they expect someone to save them, rather than realize they have the power to save themselves.

so i do feel the nwo is going to fall, because there is no such thing as forced enslavement. as david has said, you can only be enslaved if you want to be. and thats the real bugger there - if you choose to be enslaved, you are not a slave - you chose to serve, and thus, enacted your free will. and just as easily you can become a slave and decide you dont want to be one.

Elo Zorn

03-19-2009, 09:24 AM

i definitely agree with the sentiment that obama could bring forth a positive change in a different way than david is proposing.

i've seen many nefarious ideas/plans squashed by public outcry/awareness after 9/11, and feel like this served as a major eye opener for much of the world to the groups who've been pulling the strings for so long.

even though obama has won much support from the people, if he is controlled by nwo/illuminati hands i think the people of the world will sniff him out fast and will be even more outraged than they were with the bush administration. this could be one of the final pieces of wool to be removed from our waking eyes thus begining an even stronger cycle of positive changes.

daniel

Jehanne

03-19-2009, 10:34 AM

aqcheryl

03-19-2009, 02:24 PM

i reiterate that i hope obama is doing a snape... however i do think that if hes working for the nwo, and is merely the puppet - we have to make certain people realize just that - that hes the puppet. we need to look higher up the "food chain" or else the next person to replace him would probably just be another puppet. the thing about his books, is that hes not the one who wrote them... none of them truly do - theres simply not enough time. what happens is a true author interviews the person in detail, and then writes the book speaking from said persons point of view. and then the book is sold as if the person its about had actually written it. you have two people looking at this same ball, and yet both people see it differently. even though the subject is the same, you will get a different perspective from each. so we have to take biographical books, etc, with a grain of salt. whose perspective are we really reading?

one of the things that keeps me hopeful about him though, is he really seems to love his wife. i mean true love, vs all these other political figures. and i find it hard to believe that those in the illuminati who are orchestrating everything, understand love. they think they do, but there is no way. if they knew true love, it would extend to all manner of life. true love is honor and respect to all manner.
and i do believe this is why those in the illuminati who do not want to be there... dont want to be there. they know and feel this love.

something the illuminati doesnt understand. it doesnt matter how much inbreeding you do to keep the blood lines "pure" - its not in the blood. the blood is merely the life force of the vessel. so you have people like us, reincarnating, and they are reincarnating into an illuminati "vessel". so they also retain the spirituality and understanding of love from their previous lives. this exists even if you dont remember. when i started awakening, i realized that all the things i love in this life, were due to past lives.

so i wonder who reincarnated into obama, and if he will awaken. thats what i hope.

Purple Dragon

03-19-2009, 10:16 PM

it is difficult to trust obama when video’s like the[email for url] come out and show how many links obama has with the federal reserve / wall street which most likely the illuminati are controlling, but i still have hope that obama is just trying to play his hand so he can get enough information to expose those that are walking the path of control and manipulation.

however, i have also heard both david wilcock and richard hoagland are obama supporters, and if they are correct and obama is indeed on the path of love, i am sure it is difficult for him with all the negative energy constantly around him. i hope he doesn’t get trapped in the web of deception so he believes it is the true path.

can we do anything to help him, assuming of course he is indeed on the positive path and wants our help?

aqcheryl

03-19-2009, 11:37 PM

on a spiritual level... if this counts... with what little ability i have progressed to, i find "myself" most of the time going into the sky, and if you imagine spirit is a vessel itself of energy - feel love from the universe, and oneness, and let that energy build and build and build inside... then release, so the burst travels farther and is more potent...i have no idea if that works. but if it did, and we all collectively did this? what kind of change could we make...

i have been sending it his [obama's] way though...

feeling a bit odd here speaking in reference to my own abilities, that i know we all inherently have... but i realize that if no one ever spoke of anything, we would never unite on common ground. there are so many people fighting on the physical plane for civil rights and liberties, but what about spiritually - we need unification....

Jetamus

03-20-2009, 02:04 AM

Jehanne

03-20-2009, 02:59 AM

in response to the note that obama could not have written his books, although there is no way that i can prove he did, i strongly feel he did write them, especially his memoire, dreams of my father, which is highly personal and written long before he even was involved in politics. i think you should read it before you assume that someone else wrote his books for him, to me, it spoke like a memoire written by not an author, but an educated person who loved to read, meaning it was well written, but felt like a memoire, not a piece by a professional author. once again, nothing can be proved, but always one should trust his/her intuition and gut feelings, its a highly personal thing, and my gut believes he is a good man, no more or less than any of us, and in his memoire we can read of his inner struggles to find where he belongs, to find a place in society, to learn to come to terms with his past and mixed heritage. it is often about his race issuses, though that is not the whole of it. it is a very revealing book, we see him not as pure and perfect, but flawed and human, a person like any of us no matter where we are on the path. i can understand peoples doubts, yes some people want to see him as a "messiah" figure, and perhaps thats where certain angers come from, but i see him as a good and intelligent person who honestly wants to do good, but he is human and not superman and it is foolish to expect him to create miracles. as he continues to say, ultimately we all have a part to play, we cannot sit back and criticize when things are not as we wish and to cheer when they are, we should stand up and take our own responsability to create the world around us, because thats where the truth begins .

soliti

03-20-2009, 06:15 AM

in my view they are all puppets... but if you look at jfk he started as a puppet then he got wise and wanted to change things for the better, look what happened to him.

we are now living in different times all things are changing and the old ways of doing business does not work. you are already evolving without you realising, we are all starting to work together as one looking tords love not hate being positive not negative.
i myself see this every day in people and these puppet masters are loosing there strings one by one and they are getting desperate.
by collapsing the market they hoped we would cause anarchy, but it never happened.

i have faith in obama, he is playing a game with the puppet masters. and obama will win he is a clever man, smarter than the elite

all the best

morawaj

03-20-2009, 06:19 AM

i was reading this posts, and one of the things that struck me was about the obama dreams, i also have been having them, they are usually pretty similar in where he is getting feedback, and opinions, and i give my ideas and talk. very positive dreams, and its very interesting to see that it is common. i really have felt positive about him since i heard about him, and then i read his books, audacity of hope and dreams of my father, i highly recommend them to anyone who wants to get to know more about this president. i found them very revealing and show how reflective, thoughtful, and deep he is, and very open too.

this reminds me of some material i just read in a book with quotes from seth (the jane roberts channeled entity). keep in mind when reading this that most people don't recall their dreams. at least if they do it is a vast minority of those they have. also since we create our own reality, this holds true to a degree for dreams as they have an effect on our subconscious.

"there are many kinds of mass or shared dreams. for now, we will be concerned with mass dreams that have an almost universal nature; that is, dreams that are shared at one time or another by the majority of living persons on your planet.

this particular kind of dream is concerned with working out certain problems concerning physical reality. the dreams usually are not precognitive, although they might appear to be, since many of the dream events will later occur. they are not precognitive, however, because in a large measure they bring about or cause the later events.

they occur, comparatively speaking, just above that layer which jung refers to as the collective unconscious. if you could tune into these dreams, you would have a good idea of the main events of the future because you would see them being born. they are concerned with significant events that affect many countries. they represent deep intents, wishes and purposes. at times they have immense power to bring about world-shaking changes of beneficial or destructive nature."

peace,
john

MarkM

03-20-2009, 08:12 PM

well, well... this has been an interesting thread, and from a moderator's perspective, it's been an adventure, let me tell you!!

we've likely had as many posts to this thread not approved as those which have, and i'd like to address this issue openly with everyone, including all you obama bashers.:d i'll add that i'm just one man speaking for myself here, and not trying to speak on behalf of dw or divine cosmos.

a central tenet of our forum is the view that this is a forum dedicated above all to the view or perspective of this being a period of great positive spiritual becoming on this planet. david wilcock addresses issues of the negative elites always in light of this law of one based perspective; that is to say, humanity is meeting itself as a karmic outcome of it's own choices.

posts which venture into areas of economics and politics without addressing the wider spiritual implications of our shared responsibility for the current world situation - and which carry into and rail against certain issues, and which place blame outside of ourselves and onto 'outer' agencies such as the bilderburgs, rothschilds, international bankers, 'evil' outer influences which victimize humanity, etc, etc, are by and large discluded from approval for this forum.

imo, nothing seemingly negative happening on the world scene mirrors anything more than our own collective unresolved and un-processed issues - much the way that an individual sets themselves up for present time problems by not accepting the presence of and not processing unresolved issues of their own - effectively allowing buried pain issues to react from the hidden depths of their being in negative and seeming uncontrollable ways in the present.

there is a constant impetus for the meeting of self, whether individually or collectively, and the drive always for our un-loving actions to be resolved via the necessity of having to experience the full range of the results of our actions. i personally believe that all which is created must be experienced by it's creator. my view of karma.

life will always provide an interface directly with that which is created, facing us with the fruits of our labours; be they benign or malignant.

to those so quick to condemn obama as a willing puppet:

obama may well represent archetypally our collective potential interface, as in representing the collective 'everyman' who decides to face once and for all their hidden and reactive shadow issues. i seem to recall, a few days after the inauguration, an uncharacteristically blanched and unnerved obama who may have well been told the true score as regards the agenda of the negs, in no uncertain terms, and exposed to his 'masters' for the first time. perhaps he was presented with the agenda which he is expected to carry out as a puppet.

perhaps he already knew something of what he was getting into, i expect he did. the backtracking on promises he is seemingly perpetrating is possibly the result of some very stark and darkly veiled directives. reeling back on his feet, as it may be.

yet i sense he is one who may be eminently well suited to have had the foresight to have known something of the currrent expectations of the elitist planned role for him, and with all this in mind, i wouldn't assume yet that he is nothing more than a willing patsy.

basically, i feel a strong possibility that, as with certain martial artists who are trained in the art of allowing the weight and momentum of an opponent to work in their favour, obama may well yet represent humanity's push to facilitate the bringing out into the open certain shadowy aspects of our collective psyche. part of the formula is already in place - our huge net love and expectations for the man!

perhaps our expectations of greatness for obama will manifest in ways we least expect - drawing our group stuff out into the open, one way or the other. he may represent that which, through our own positive hopes, catalyses our galvanization towards realizing and seeing our ultimate group responsibility for ourselves.

if we come to see (aided by obama, representing our hopes) from the mainstream perspective our own discovery of our shadow **** as represented by the 'outing' of the hidden hand, then his life and presidency (which, despite the great hidden apparatus, represents our collective will to see justice and fairness in the spirit of the constitution of the united states) will have served a great purpose. a possibility - i think this may be part of what dw is saying in consonance with his guidance.

anyway, it's too soon, imho, to pass final judgement on this presidency - so please try to keep that in mind, as you formulate your posts.:p mark

aqcheryl

03-21-2009, 12:30 AM

the power elite are a pack of white supremacists.
they would never support the idea of a black guy representing them, especially not since they've been trying to genocide millions of africans with their lab based diseases.

they wanted mccain and clinton.

imo, i dont really agree with that. they are working to genocide everyone , not just a specific race; and even if they perhaps feel that way, that whites are better - they are not stupid. they play and use their cards to get what they want, and will use anyone.

jehanne in response to the note that obama could not have written his books
oh no, i wasnt trying to imply he didnt do anything... rather to point out because of the time constraints (with everything hes done in his life, hes been busy, and it takes much research even into your own life, to write a book - it can take many months full time hours to write one) that more than likely someone else wrote it - as usually the norm. but that person would still have to confer with obama the whole way through, they would have to know him well to write for him. so obama essentially is still a major contributor. i was merely meaning the other person's role could still have a different perspective, so i take with a grain of salt.

as far as reading his books, i dont need to read them to make a decision about him. i can only speak for myself but it has nothing to do with how others view him, or what he says verbal or written... it has everything to do with his actions. the measure of a man is deemed by his actions, not his words - and definitely not how others see him. as ive stated before, i continue to have hopes about him, even when his actions such as hiring nwo people in his cabinet, and going against his promises. i full understand that if he is wholly good and in the position hes in, hes also put in a position he has to tread very, very careful. he has to sacrifice some things in order to achieve the ultimate goal.
so by his actions, i personally have doubts, and when i see that things like rendition hes reinforced... yes it upsets me... but im not closing my mind to him on either count - positive or negative. im watching, and sending hope and energy for positive.

as soliti later said... he has to be smarter than the elite. its not that it says jfk was not smart - he was... but instead we have to look at the timeframe he was in... the elite were not at an advanced level they have achieved now; and even the smartest can make mistakes. unfortunately his cost him his life. it might also be possible that he knew it was going to happen - for all we knew, he knew they were after him, so he decided he was going to go public before they could, as a final act.
obama's position is different, its a different time now... and so if he is working for the people, for humanity, he will have to be exceedingly careful in what he says and even thinks. he has to put on the gameface to all.

and mark...

yet i sense he is one who may be eminently well suited to have had the foresight to have known something of the currrent expectations of the elitist planned role for him, and with all this in mind, i wouldn't assume yet that he is nothing more than a willing patsy.

i completely agree with you on this. whoever needed to come into this role needs to be perfectly suited for it. i do not believe mccain would have been strong enough for it. i always fall back to this quote from lord of the rings, because its perfect:

“frodo: i wish the ring had never come to me. i wish none of this had happened. gandalf: so do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. there are other forces at work in this world frodo, besides the will of evil. and that is an encouraging thought."

it is very possible indeed that it is not the nwo who planted obama in our, but rather our higher forces who planted obama in their camp.

Toos Holland

03-21-2009, 05:49 AM

allthough it's quite difficult for me to expres myself in english, i will try...
i live in the netherlands and to be honest, i don't know anybody here who still believes obama will make a positive difference in the world. and for that matter; most dutch people don't think much of the usa in general due to some of his actions. especially his 1 million civilan army which reminds people of woii... (in the netherlands the second world war is still quite 'alive' in our collective, i guess)

personally i feel strongly that he represents a great deal of the collective unconciousness. in the end it doesn't really matter if obama himself is a puppet or anything; we project a lot on him. positive or negative. maybe he is the one who will finally wake up the whole world.
and he will bring about the law of one...

it would be great if david could talk to him sometime...:)

Rhonda

03-21-2009, 10:21 AM

folks, honestly, aren't we all puppets ! this is merely another way for folks to express their dissatisfaction with what is going on in this world and not knowing how to fix it.

the fix will come by each of our thoughts and by each soul that is here at this key time. (create your ideal world in your heart and give it time to grow)

obama is doing his best with what has been dealt him, as well as swimming in the sea of sharks from time to time. given that he is surrounded by various entities of positive and negative, he is holding his ground and working to turn the tides to balance the hearts within and around government as a whole.

it took a long while to build what is operating (thoughts) in this world, it will take a "change" in everyone's consciousness to shift the momentum of every thought we are still placing out into this world.

the word "patience" comes to mind.

today, create the world you would like to see and let it take root. be part of the solution, as the saying goes. "thoughts do create" and that power of creation is alive and active in these first few days of spring. :)

peace and harmony within the heart of all of us.

Purple Dragon

03-21-2009, 10:35 AM

the word "patience" comes to mind.

i totally agree, nothing can be changed so quickly. yes obama may be doing somethings that we don't agree with, but he is also doing things we do agree with. and like stated by quite a few people along this thread, if he is working for us, he can't just stand up and say it without being another jfk.

i don't know what it is about obama, but whenever i read news articles about him or read discussion topics like this one, i still can't help but get a good vibe about him. even if he does seem to be helping the nwo.

and i do think if we all send loving energy to him, it can only help. you never know, it could be the difference of him bending to the illuminati's will, or having the strength to continue his path.

aqcheryl

03-21-2009, 07:28 PM

most dutch people don't think much of the usa in general due to some of his actions. especially his 1 million civilan army which reminds people of woii

unfortunately as we have no knowledge of other countries, we end up seeing that countries leaders as a representation of its people. obama wants a one million civilian army - he has many people still "drinking his koolaid" but they are not in any army. the army is not formed yet.

there is a huge movement here both peaceful protests, and then those who will as a last resort to civil war. it seems much is riding on the 2nd amendment. i think the people walking around blind will end up waking as soon as its presented to them directly. but anyways the point is, it seems the world is shaking its head at americans, because its hidden from them that there is a movement here.

personally i feel strongly that he represents a great deal of the collective unconciousness. in the end it doesn't really matter if obama himself is a puppet or anything; we project a lot on him. positive or negative. maybe he is the one who will finally wake up the whole world.
and he will bring about the law of one...

i agree. you know, regardless of what side he is one, its going to happen. either hes truly for the people and will expose the nwo to help bring them down and it starts that way - or hes with them but because of his actions he forces us all to wake up. it does seem to be this is whats happening... the latter. either way, thats why im positive and agree with david, they are not going to win.

it would be great if david could talk to him sometime...:)
i agree

rhonda folks, honestly, aren't we all puppets !
no... rather those who are not awakened, are puppets... but not those who have awakened. as awakened, we are sending positive energy out. but i agree with the rest of what you said :)

weboy78

03-28-2009, 04:24 AM

but excuse me
i don't understand obama in this momenti, he still talk about bin laden and all this stuff...war..etc, this thing i'm concerned about this...very concerned..

aqcheryl

03-29-2009, 03:15 AM

but excuse me
i don't understand obama in this momenti, he still talk about bin laden and all this stuff...war..etc, this thing i'm concerned about this...very concerned..

either hes got a gameplay face on, or hes a puppet. either way the outcome will lead to more awakening.

weboy78

03-29-2009, 10:48 AM

oh yes...sure ;)

Sarahmay

03-30-2009, 03:20 PM

i haven't been on this forum for awhile, and i'm very disappointed to see this anti obama junk here. on david's forum! take it somewhere else people, it is bringing down the vibration level.

FooSnik

03-30-2009, 07:01 PM

obama's position is different, its a different time now... and so if he is working for the people, for humanity, he will have to be exceedingly careful in what he says and even thinks. he has to put on the gameface to all.

“frodo: i wish the ring had never come to me. i wish none of this had happened. gandalf: so do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us. there are other forces at work in this world frodo, besides the will of evil. and that is an encouraging thought."

yessss my precioussss... heehee

seriously though. in my opinion you nailed it right on the head here. he is treading in dangerous water and if it was so obvious what his intentions are he would go the same way as jfk.

in other words, be happy, for his sake, that we are having a really hard time figuring it out.

aqcheryl

03-31-2009, 06:54 AM

i haven't been on this forum for awhile, and i'm very disappointed to see this anti obama junk here.

disregarding others views as 'junk', just because they dont agree with someone, is disappointing.

on david's forum!

as david discusses the very same subjects...

take it somewhere else people, it is bringing down the vibration level.
if we dont like what we see, we are free to change the channel.

everyone here has been highly respectful to each other. everyone has listened to both sides, and discussed in an adult manner each individual's beliefs.

love is unconditional.

aqcheryl

03-31-2009, 07:15 AM

yessss my precioussss... heehee

seriously though. in my opinion you nailed it right on the head here. he is treading in dangerous water and if it was so obvious what his intentions are he would go the same way as jfk.

in other words, be happy, for his sake, that we are having a really hard time figuring it out.

lol! you just gave me a visual of obama saying that!

i need to bring up a concern, about his health. am i the only one that has been seeing a blue tinge around his lips? im still trying to discern if reading from aura, or if its physical. ive only recently started seeing it, it wasnt there before.
i thought it was maybe the camera, or just the lighting, but ive been looking the past several days, and its still there.

Sarahmay

03-31-2009, 09:28 AM

i come to david's site to escape from anti-obamaism, it is everywhere! that is why i love david so much because he can see the truth.

as his last blog indicated, obama is not supported by the rothschild illuminati, nor the rockefeller-based new world order. if you believe otherwise, you've been the victim of disinformation.

333Brendan

03-31-2009, 11:48 AM

i have seen many positive signs towards obama being good in that he is for n open government. he has made it so that you can easily see where your tax dollars are being spent at recovery.gov. he has appointed john podesta who has openly said he wants ufo disclosure. he has also appointed a new person to be the head of the cia, panetta who is very good friends with john podesta who i believe would also like to disclose the truth. obama has also said he wants to release anti-gravity technology for use in commercial aircraft within 100 days of being president. he has said he is not for a one world currency as well.

whether or not all of these things he is doing are for the good or for the worse time will tell but they are there none the less.

333Brendan

03-31-2009, 11:50 AM

another thing i'd like to point out is the web bot which scans the internet and some say predicts the future says 2009 is the year for nasa to reveal its secrets as well as obama

aqcheryl

03-31-2009, 12:19 PM

i do not like seafood. i do not like the taste, i do not like the visual and i most especially do not like the smell. but that does not mean i have a right to tell the store to stop selling it. i just avoid that section. i wont discourage others from buying it. it is their choice. does the fact that i disagree with them make my views right? no. does the fact that they enjoy it make my views wrong? no.

that is how i exercise my free will.

david consistently encourages others to do their own research. for my part, much of what he says, i agree with - not because he said it but because i agree with it on my own. :)

the wisest of men understands that he knows nothing.

Purple Dragon

03-31-2009, 01:13 PM

david consistently encourages others to do their own research. for my part, much of what he says, i agree with - not because he said it but because i agree with it on my own. :)

to agree and to follow are definitely different paths to follow. gathering knowledge to make informed decisions is by far the best path to take. i love how david always tells us to research the information he gives us, and often helps us along the path by giving us links to where he got his information.

the information i have collected about obama still leaves many questions on the table, and so i still haven't made a logical decision on where i think he will lead us. but like aqcheryl has said, either way will lead to more awakening, so the end result will still be in favor of those that chose to awaken. and although the information is not whole, i also use my heart to tell me which way i feel obama is leading us, and still think he is trying to lead us the right way.

at the end of the day, as long as we keep an open mind to learn more information, we will only be teaching ourselves which path we are walking. and that is our main goal on this planet, is it not? to learn more about ourselves from the catalysts that come our way.

aqcheryl

03-31-2009, 02:31 PM

to agree and to follow are definitely different paths to follow.

yes, exactly. there are many journeys we take as individuals. for example the law of one was researched and comprised initially by anothers journey - and they hit on core truths.

does that mean this is the only way? no

i have yet to read the law of one - but i can tell you i am here and found my way here without knowing what it says - purely because on my own spiritual journey i have already found these core truths. it means something to me, because to find theres validation after already experiencing it, and to know that things i have learned through meditation, others have felt - its amazing.

i take everything with a grain of salt, and yes that includes law of one - because there will inevitably be some things i will disagree with when i do read it.

but see that is because as individuals with free will, we perceive things differently. for example, one thing that i immediately disagree with - and i do not know if this is actually in the law of one philosophy, its more that i have heard individual interpretations of it... but what i disagree with is the statement that we are all one and therefore are basically clones.

in reality, we are individuals, but we are one at the same exact time. we are connected in every which way, and yet we have individuality. we are not separate from each other, but we do have free will and different thought patterns.

sometimes i think it may be hard to understand that you can be both the opposing sides at the same time, and it ends up being rationalized that its either one or the other instead.

we are both. a simple analogy i use is that... two sisters are of the same source - and so because they are from the same source, they are not separate of each other, and yet, they each have their own way of thinking - and they do not mirror each others views. its duality.

again, i have yet to read law of one, thats on my goal list between catching up on david's work first. but that is one of the core truths i have found.

and the beauty of all this is that i can disagree, and others could disagree with me - that is our free will, and we are using our gift :)

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the information i have collected about obama still leaves many questions on the table, and so i still haven't made a logical decision on where i think he will lead us.

this too is my outlook. i look at actions over words. at the same time i dont make decisions based on a few actions - only the whole. i cannot formulate the answer to the equation without more information, and so im sitting here on the sidelines... watching.

i also use my heart to tell me which way i feel obama is leading us, and still think he is trying to lead us the right way.
i know i use this alot lol but i cant help it. i really have a feeling hes playing devils advocate to even himself, to accomplish his ends - he is a snape. and for anyone who has not read the potter books, well i wont apologize for this spoiler theres been more than enough time to have read them. lol snape is seen to be working for the bad side all the way through, and only until the end do you find out he was working for the good all along. double agent.

at the end of the day, as long as we keep an open mind to learn more information, we will only be teaching ourselves which path we are walking. and that is our main goal on this planet, is it not? to learn more about ourselves from the catalysts that come our way.

we cannot learn without opening ourselves to do so; and every experience is a learning experience provided we take that opportunity presented to us and learn from it.

333Brendan

03-31-2009, 06:43 PM

it is weird to think we are all one but then again look at animals or fish. fish function in schools as almost one entity. all of their individual consciousness is collected into one and then dispersed. it is hard for humans to think we are all one because we aren't consciously aware of the term "collective conscious." you talk about learning about who you are as an individual but in turn you are actually learning about the whole. if we really do share each others thoughts then simply the thought of learning about yourself wasn't necessarily your thought to begin with. it's like when you choose to love yourself or to love others (service to self, service to others) either one you choose will lead to loving the collective conscious.

gnostic33

04-01-2009, 12:03 PM

gnostic33

04-01-2009, 09:58 PM

hello all i am new here. i like reading david's material as i always have numerous synchronicities with the information. i however don't spend as much time on line as i used to so i was unaware of all the anti-obama sentiment out there. i was aware of some religious factions and the anti-christ situation but had no idea of the "obama deception!!!" wow i watched the video and posted a response to david on comments page. i will copy and paste it over here when it comes up just so you all know where i am coming from. glad to be in a place with a lot of people who have a similar positve perception of obama. i too have had a few dreams of him and his children. i have a few more things i would like to share but have to get going. looking forward to exchanges on this forum!
peace to you
lisa:)
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here is my post from the comments area that i posted earlier.

i watched the obama deception and did some fact checking myself and really alot of what they are saying is being taken out of context and are things that obama actually himself went against. it really is coming from a place of them really trying to make obama the bad guy and all the “facts” are not accurate. i watched the movie and paused it to check out the info and most of the time it was fear mongering tactics. i however want to say i firmly believe in the controlling factions and the banker conspiracy information i just don’t think obama is going to carry out their agenda they way they planned. i also want to say i am glad i watched the movie as it did help me clearly see what the federal reserve really is and how it all works, there is truth everywhere we just have to be discerning when investigating conspiracy theories etc.
i have come away from this moving actually feeling/thinking obama is brilliant. he has to balance between the bankers/controlling factions (who i do believe are controlling “everything” at this point) and american people. he has a lot on his plate, everyone is up in arms because of his cabinet appointments because of their involvement in other administrations etc but i think that is brilliant too. who better to know how to fix this mess than the people who helped create it, these people really know who is in charge and what is really going on. also i wanted to say obama is doing his best to inspire the people, he tell us he needs our help, he is empowering us. he can’t walk into the white house and turn everything upside down and tell the bankers he’s not going along with them anymore but he sure can empower the people to do it. i think this is exactly what he is doing he is getting us to take our country back. the aig bonuses were “accepted” by the administration the “people” stood up and said no! then he goes back to the bankers and says he the people aren’t buying it we could have a revolution on our hands and they say okay no bonuses. i think he is systematically going to come at every situation and do the same thing over and over until we the people actually have the power again over our government and our money. they think they can control a president and to some extent they probably can but they can’t control a nation if we don’t let them! he is telling us wake up, i need you, yes you can, i can’t do this alone….. in a world design of quantum physics he’s making a huge shift by “empowering the people”.

peace to you all
lisa

Purple Dragon

04-01-2009, 10:34 PM

i have yet to read the law of one

i haven't read the book yet, but i've read david's shortened version twice now in the last month or two. i found it was simply amazing at how often it hits the hammer right on the nose. i highly recommend reading his version and you should put it on the top of your list as it is amazing at the information. i can't wait to read all 5 books! also check out the law of one creation story (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud5bl5gxrqe) that alchemikey put up, great intro video.

i disagree with is the statement that we are all one and therefore are basically clones.

in reality, we are individuals, but we are one at the same exact time. we are connected in every which way, and yet we have individuality. we are not separate from each other, but we do have free will and different thought patterns.

i don't think it means we are clones, it just means we are one. there is no duality, because there is only one. we are all part of the same learning experience, life. we all need to experience this life differently to maximize the lessons. i think of it as thinking how long it would take to learn everything this planet experiences in 1 day, if we could only learn what 1 person was learning. at least in the 3rd density, that all changes when we get to the 4th.

sometimes i think it may be hard to understand that you can be both the opposing sides at the same time, and it ends up being rationalized that its either one or the other instead.

it does get confusing, but i guess thats the law of confusion ;) but we also aren't really meant to understand it in the 3rd density. once we raise higher we start to communicate with ourselves on a whole new level, but still have a sense of individuality or group-self realitys. the path we chose will determine what other-selves we will engage with on our path back to uniting with the creator, which is ultimately the starting source of the oneness. trust me when i say read david's version right away, it makes a lot of very good arguments, and although i know i have the choice to disagree with anything said, i haven't found anything yet, but that could just be because it's a streamlined version!

i know i use this alot lol but i cant help it. i really have a feeling hes playing devils advocate to even himself, to accomplish his ends - he is a snape.

i haven't read all the potter books yet, but i definitely suspected this from early on, it just makes sense! but every day i read another article about obama i do see the good in the things he is trying to do, knowing as well that the media is putting their own spins on the things. the next year sure will be an interesting journey

gnostic33 - welcome to more information than you can possibly learn :eek: but it's a great journey trying to read it all! there is a lot to enjoy!

samncheese

04-02-2009, 10:44 AM

i see that obama has used this mess, (created by the contentions of the world to grab power), for change... the question is "will he love the constitution enouph to hand the power back to the people when it is done?".

metaman

04-02-2009, 12:06 PM

i like the original starter of this thread about a positive dream in regards to obama. in this dream i was sitting down at a table to eat with him. all i can remember is the lucid visual of him looking me in the eye and the feeling of trust that i had for him. as this happened, he smiled and nodded as if to infer that my feeling was accurate.

lets take a second to visualize an alternative time line where obama did exactly as his followers expected him to do right out of the hole. the primary claim of the anti-obama movement is that he is colluding with the negative power elites and doing exactly as they want him to do. he has only been in office for a short while, and if you look at what he as done with tunnel vision, it appears as though he is in alignment with them. why does it appear this way? perhaps because he wants it to? lets say he not included any of the power elites in his administration.

go back to when he was appointing his cabinet. lets say he had only enlisted the employment of neutral parties that where not under the control structure of the nwo or illuminati. what would have happened? the answer is that he would have never made it into office following the election. the power structure would have concluded that he was an eminent threat and would have assasinated him. all you have to do is look back at what happened to jfk to realize that this is a real possibility.

he is earning their trust by appealing to their egos that want to control. if he did not do this in the early stages of his presidency he would never get a chance of seeing what they are actually up to. he is very effectively earning their trust and if i where in his shoes i would be doing exactly the same thing. then the question comes up, what is he waiting for? when does he plan to turn against them and start converting the efforts of the government towards service to others?

only time will tell when it comes to this. my personal opinion is that richard hoagland is correct in saying that he will be the president in place when the galactic federation of light shows up and announces their presence to the world. i also believe that obama is not in the dark about this future event. if the federation was planning out their arrival strategically then they would have already made covert first contact with our new president in the same way that they made their contact with eisenhower.

according to the law of one material, the federation made contact with eisenhower as an experiment to see how it would play out. at the time eisenhower decided that the people of the world where not ready for the presence of off world intellegence and decided not to go along with the disclosure. since the higher dimensions are not allowed to infringe on the free will of the individual, he was allowed to make this decision without any forceful objection of the federation.

the message they bring this time around to our new world leader, if it has happened, would be different. instead it would not be a presentation of you have a choice in the matter. rather it would be, we are going to come by this date, you have the choice of working with us for the greater good of all. if you choose not to we will come anyway, but the paradigm shift will be much smoother if you are with us.

in conclusion, he may very well be planning a bait and switch on the negative power elites. his whole secret strategy may very well be do what ever he has to do in order to not risk being killed by those who wish to manipulate. yes this would be a form of disinformation to the american public. however, instead of the end goal of the disinformation being negative, it is for the greater good of all.

i also do not think that we are going to have to wait much longer for this scenario to play out. this is just my gut feeling on these matters, please do not take this in as absolute truth.

aqcheryl

04-02-2009, 02:00 PM

he is telling us wake up, i need you, yes you can, i can’t do this alone….. in a world design of quantum physics he’s making a huge shift by “empowering the people”.

i agree with this completely, and that it applies no matter what side of the fence we can sit on. those who fully support him, those who sit on the fence watching, and those who are against him... regardless of the outcome, obama will have given us the change we need.

i haven't read the book yet, but i've read david's shortened version twice now in the last month or two... ...also check out the law of one creation story that alchemikey put up, great intro video.

its next on my hit list lol im going through the site in order... and after david's blogs is articles & books - free

i don't think it means we are clones, it just means we are one. there is no duality, because there is only one... ...at least in the 3rd density, that all changes when we get to the 4th.... ...once we raise higher we start to communicate with ourselves on a whole new level, but still have a sense of individuality or group-self realitys. trust me when i say read david's version right away, it makes a lot of very good arguments, and although i know i have the choice to disagree with anything said, i haven't found anything yet, but that could just be because it's a streamlined version!

that was what i was trying to articulate. its not the law of one that i was disagreeing with. how could i without having read it yet :)
i was disagreeing with the two people who approached me on it, that that was their take on it. the duality is present by our free will that allows us to think differently and make different choices, and also accepting that we are one.
and i really do think that personally, i will be hardpressed to find anything to disagree with either. my point is merely that our free will is a beautiful gift we were given. i have trouble with articulation :)

however i wonder when we go to the 4th, what hangups we will still have.

i haven't read all the potter books yet, but i definitely suspected this from early on, it just makes sense! but every day i read another article about obama i do see the good in the things he is trying to do, knowing as well that the media is putting their own spins on the things. the next year sure will be an interesting journey

see this is something that, in the books, you can see. as potter progresses he keeps seeing all these bad things snape is doing, but in the end, everything snape was doing was for the greater good. he may not have been perfect, but he was "service to others".

the message they bring this time around to our new world leader, if it has happened, would be different. instead it would not be a presentation of you have a choice in the matter. rather it would be, we are going to come by this date, you have the choice of working with us for the greater good of all. if you choose not to we will come anyway, but the paradigm shift will be much smoother if you are with us.

they can do this as well, without infringing on free will, because its not the president who decides for us, so the information has to be presented to each of us to make that decision.
i think we are ready this time :)

in conclusion, he may very well be planning a bait and switch on the negative power elites. his whole secret strategy may very well be do what ever he has to do in order to not risk being killed by those who wish to manipulate. yes this would be a form of disinformation to the american public. however, instead of the end goal of the disinformation being negative, it is for the greater good of all.

another thing to point out is the question - if he truly was fully aligned with the negative elite - im sure we will have been seeing even worse actions than we have.

the point is, we are not there, and we dont know what hes doing, all we can do is have faith, and send him positive energy. because we dont know the situation hes presented with, we dont know how he makes his decisions. sometimes "heroes" have to make sacrifices of some for the good of all. and we may not like it, but we wouldnt like the alternative if they did nothing.

personally, im open to hearing more obama dreams - what happened in them... etc. :d

aqcheryl

04-03-2009, 01:40 PM

gnostic33

04-04-2009, 10:16 AM

i just had a 'obama' related to dream. i didnt see him so much as i saw writing in a journal, writing down positive messages to him, and then sending it to someone where they could add their message... and then forward it on.

kind of like those penpal type books they used to do before the net :)
except this was solely for the purpose of collecting the positive messages for obama, to send it him.

i like that dream! thanks for your earlier reply to my post about "obama empowering the people" seems there are quiet a few people who are understanding the dynamics of what he is doing and why. i have to admit i was starting to feel a little upset when i saw the alternative media (which i used to rely on alot) going after him. i started questioning my own intuition and gut feelings, but then reading davids take on things and finding people here with similar feelings i felt more at ease. i know many people who don't realize the corruption going on in the world who know nothing about secret governments and conspiracy theories that love obama but that makes sense but i understand there is alot more going on like most of you here. again i am just happy that there are other intuitives picking up the same info/feelings about him.
i do a monthly sweat lodge in pasadena ca and someone always puts out prayers and positive energy for obama and all the people in postitions of "power" all over the world to continue to do the right thing for humanity.

one of my dreams about obama was his about his girls. i was babysitting them i felt like i needed to protect them. one of my "teachers" asked me what i felt about their life, she said most people feel it is a charmed one at this point and for whatever reason i felt like they are going to have difficulties and that is why i wanted to protect them. this by no means, means i think something will happen to obama just that the girls are so young and vulnerable and being in the spot light and secret service etc is not always a "charmed" life.
i too would like to keep hearing more dreams :)
peace to you all
lisa

LoveWins

04-04-2009, 12:31 PM

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here is my post from the comments area that i posted earlier.

i watched the obama deception and did some fact checking myself and really alot of what they are saying is being taken out of context and are things that obama actually himself went against. it really is coming from a place of them really trying to make obama the bad guy and all the “facts” are not accurate. i watched the movie and paused it to check out the info and most of the time it was fear mongering tactics. i however want to say i firmly believe in the controlling factions and the banker conspiracy information i just don’t think obama is going to carry out their agenda they way they planned. lisa

lisa,

this is my first post too. i would like to say that what you say resonates with me also! i work as an intuitive. i don't say that to make an impression on anyone, just to let you know that i have tried to look at obama as objectively as possible... i've read his books after he was elected, not before, but the impressions i keep receiving of him when seeing him on tv or youtube or whatever constantly give me the feeling he has good intentions but must work within the complex web of politics and take things in a slow, purposeful way.

being president doesn't mean he has absolute power. he has to use wisdom and discernment , he has to watch his back so to speak, and as time goes on, i believe he will gain more steady footing . i also strongly feel he has behind the scenes ( supernatural help - be it e.t.s or otherwise) that will support him in ways we perhaps cannot see to the naked eye.

the one reason i joined this forum was because i feel so strongly that david's work is important and he is on the right track. david also shines brightly and his energy is positive.. he is a lightworker among many lightworkers that are here to help us rise above the current paradigms and eventually ascend to another level. i was heartened to see he saw the same things in obama.

i also strongly feel we should join our collective energies together and trust that things are working soundly in favor of truth becoming knowledge attainable by anyone. no one in this world should be starving, no one should be in any way suffering. there is enough love in this world to rise above the limitations and fears .

to do this, we must lend our support to our leaders, all of them and choose to see the best , because until we see it, it cannot come into being. does that make sense? i think it will to anyone reading this.

even if you have a difference of opinion, that really is okay as long as your intention is not for negative results. whatever our perceptions of the president, it's vital we believe in something greater at work here and send loving, supportive energy to serve humanity and empower us as a people.

in fact, it behooves us to send this same energy to all leaders b/c we truly do need the whole world to transform. not just the u.s..... this must be done at the ground level, starting with our intentions and setting those to a high standard. worldwide peace, harmony, and end to hunger and suffering. these are not fairy tales. this is our destiny. it's just up to us how quickly we choose. love or fear. lets choose love and compassion and be sure to send it to those we feel need it ... that would be the ones we feel the most negative about.

i absolutely believe it's important to know whats going on, i believe we are going through these trials to show us. what we choose to do with it is the most important part though.

so thank you everyone, regardless of where you stand on this issue, you do have the power to effect change through the science of peace. which i intend to order :-)

oh by the way, if anyone could be so kind, i would love to be able to post in the comment section of david's blog, but i cannot figure out the math quiz thing? lol can anyone explain or give me an example of exactly what i'm supposed to do there? i can't see the numbers to the left of it , just barely. i have no clue what i'm supposed to do ... tia for any help with that.

love and light ,

lovewins ( sherry)

corie blunt

04-04-2009, 01:21 PM

i remember i had a dream about obama and mc'cain a few months before the election.

i was in a mall, but it was very differnt. there were a circle of people in torquise colors and feathers doing tribal dancing for the age of aquarius (or so i would believe). i than saw obama and mc'cain walking together with the secret service and their families, they told me to follow them. we walk into a dinner (like a dennys or something). the mood was very happy and postive the whole time between both of them and would stay that way through out the whole dream. the two of them started to play a card game, obama won and mc'cain was visibly disapointed. then obama had a big smile on his face and ask me if i would like to see a magic trick. he then shuffed the cards all around and did a trick as you would see a man on the street preform a card trick for money (hidden card trick type situation).. but then he showed me all the cards that were up his sleave and let the trick be known.

in which i took it as old balmer will expose and disclose some, if not all of the tricks and hidden games being played on the public (me representing the people)... i also know that each person in the dream represent myself and i saw that was me being shown the tricks and hidden games i was playin on myself lol.. trippy dream

*also take note that at this time i was very against and mad at the political system and was not going to vote at all and if i did it would have been for ron paul. i also thought obama was a pawn. the dream along with info from david really helped flip that perspective and i actually ended up voting for obama*

gnostic33

04-04-2009, 01:40 PM

lisa,

this is my first post too. i would like to say that what you say resonates with me also! i work as an intuitive. i don't say that to make an impression on anyone, just to let you know that i have tried to look at obama as objectively as possible... i've read his books after he was elected, not before, but the impressions i keep receiving of him when seeing him on tv or youtube or whatever constantly give me the feeling he has good intentions but must work within the complex web of politics and take things in a slow, purposeful way.

being president doesn't mean he has absolute power. he has to use wisdom and discernment , he has to watch his back so to speak, and as time goes on, i believe he will gain more steady footing . i also strongly feel he has behind the scenes ( supernatural help - be it e.t.s or otherwise) that will support him in ways we perhaps cannot see to the naked eye.

the one reason i joined this forum was because i feel so strongly that david's work is important and he is on the right track. david also shines brightly and his energy is positive.. he is a lightworker among many lightworkers that are here to help us rise above the current paradigms and eventually ascend to another level. i was heartened to see he saw the same things in obama.

i also strongly feel we should join our collective energies together and trust that things are working soundly in favor of truth becoming knowledge attainable by anyone. no one in this world should be starving, no one should be in any way suffering. there is enough love in this world to rise above the limitations and fears .

to do this, we must lend our support to our leaders, all of them and choose to see the best , because until we see it, it cannot come into being. does that make sense? i think it will to anyone reading this.

even if you have a difference of opinion, that really is okay as long as your intention is not for negative results. whatever our perceptions of the president, it's vital we believe in something greater at work here and send loving, supportive energy to serve humanity and empower us as a people.

in fact, it behooves us to send this same energy to all leaders b/c we truly do need the whole world to transform. not just the u.s..... this must be done at the ground level, starting with our intentions and setting those to a high standard. worldwide peace, harmony, and end to hunger and suffering. these are not fairy tales. this is our destiny. it's just up to us how quickly we choose. love or fear. lets choose love and compassion and be sure to send it to those we feel need it ... that would be the ones we feel the most negative about.

i absolutely believe it's important to know whats going on, i believe we are going through these trials to show us. what we choose to do with it is the most important part though.

so thank you everyone, regardless of where you stand on this issue, you do have the power to effect change through the science of peace. which i intend to order :-)

oh by the way, if anyone could be so kind, i would love to be able to post in the comment section of david's blog, but i cannot figure out the math quiz thing? lol can anyone explain or give me an example of exactly what i'm supposed to do there? i can't see the numbers to the left of it , just barely. i have no clue what i'm supposed to do ... tia for any help with that.

love and light ,

lovewins ( sherry)

hey sherry thanks for your insight too!!! i think the math thing is a little hard to read but i would just make as much of an effort as possible to see what you think the numbers are and add them up. if you don't get it right it gives you another chance.
peace to you
lisa

aqcheryl

04-04-2009, 02:44 PM

thanks for your earlier reply to my post about "obama empowering the people" seems there are quiet a few people who are understanding the dynamics of what he is doing and why. i have to admit i was starting to feel a little upset when i saw the alternative media (which i used to rely on alot) going after him.

i started questioning my own intuition and gut feelings, but then reading davids take on things and finding people here with similar feelings i felt more at ease.

i do a monthly sweat lodge in pasadena ca and someone always puts out prayers and positive energy for obama and all the people in postitions of "power" all over the world to continue to do the right thing for humanity.

this by no means, means i think something will happen to obama just that the girls are so young and vulnerable and being in the spot light and secret service etc is not always a "charmed" life.
i too would like to keep hearing more dreams :)

sadly, it seems the case even with those awakened, that they must go after others who have a different outlook. its like a trap of 'know-it-all' and it gets into a sort of blame-game... blaming the other for their own faults. take for example the label 'sheeple'. yet they blindly listen to alternative media, and are quick to label those who are positive about obama as 'sheeple', but are they not in essence practicing the very thing they preach against?
and they spin it very well, so i like you, had moments of questioning instinct as well. i am so thankful for the forum and for david because it really helped me shed those questions and helped me stop fearing as well.

to those that try to instill fear in us, all we can do is send them love in return.

like david says (from 03-02-07 blog):

the protocol for handling a “greeting” from a negatively-inclined source is to send love and light to the attacker, while also having the healthy boundary to reject his service as not being useful to you on your path. “i love you, and i do not accept what you are offering me. i wish you well on your path.”

i wish you well on your path, i do not accept your services

wow. its that profound of a statement. and its so very much true.

send light and love, like the people at your sweat lodge are doing. i think thats also what my dream was saying, kind of a metaphor for "we all send him positive energy", it came across that he would receive it and he would take it well. :) (ie its not something that would be put up on the spiritual 'bookshelf' for him)

and i agree its nice to see david stick to his guns, no matter what anyone says - he puts it out there, and gives us the strength to not end up swaying either.

this is my first post too. i would like to say that what you say resonates with me also! i work as an intuitive. i don't say that to make an impression on anyone, just to let you know that i have tried to look at obama as objectively as possible... i've read his books after he was elected, not before, but the impressions i keep receiving of him when seeing him on tv or youtube or whatever constantly give me the feeling he has good intentions but must work within the complex web of politics and take things in a slow, purposeful way.

you just reminded me of something i was pondering earlier! i was just thinking that people have to 'dig' to prove obama's 'fallacies', while its blaring obvious of how little he is moving/doing to accomplish that which hes accused of.

and you are very right, we need to send positivity to all the leaders.

ive had the same issue with the numbers as well, when trying to answer to post a comment. ill get weird symbols that look like a arrow, and not a math sign. or i cant differentiate between division or addition sign. the characters dont align properly on the numbers either. i just copy my text and try to answer, and if it doesnt work hit backspace, paste, and make another guess lol

aqcheryl

04-04-2009, 02:50 PM

*also take note that at this time i was very against and mad at the political system and was not going to vote at all and if i did it would have been for ron paul. i also thought obama was a pawn. the dream along with info from david really helped flip that perspective and i actually ended up voting for obama*

i like this dream - i think there was a definite message there. i also think its not completely message to self because our higher selves know that we will find ourselves in a position to share with others. i believe in your dream :)
i also think maybe showing you the cards was symbolic that he has to pull tricks - but the fact that he showed you - and you were a representation of the people - all the tricks, means that hes on the peoples side :)

as for ron - i really do like him and what he stands for, but you know, ive yet to hear him say anything bad about obama like many who support ron do. ive seen him ask questions, but hes never come across as against obama. i think, being that we know he stands for truth, that he is another sign that obama is ultimately trustworthy as well :)

Purple Dragon

04-04-2009, 02:53 PM

even if you have a difference of opinion, that really is okay as long as your intention is not for negative results. whatever our perceptions of the president, it's vital we believe in something greater at work here and send loving, supportive energy to serve humanity and empower us as a people.

in fact, it behooves us to send this same energy to all leaders b/c we truly do need the whole world to transform. not just the u.s..... this must be done at the ground level, starting with our intentions and setting those to a high standard. worldwide peace, harmony, and end to hunger and suffering. these are not fairy tales. this is our destiny. it's just up to us how quickly we choose. love or fear. lets choose love and compassion and be sure to send it to those we feel need it ... that would be the ones we feel the most negative about.

i think we all can agree on this. love is the path the majority of the world is on, a lot of them just don't know it yet, but they will. this 'movement', if you will, we are a part of is growing more and more every day. more people are making the choice to acknowledge their free will and use it, which only makes us stronger.

the only thing i would recommend is to be careful when you say that it is ok to have a different opinion as long as your intention is not for negative results, as even those walking the negative path still have the free will to make that choice, and it should be respected even though we are choosing a different path ourselves. we never want to get trapped in believing we are "right" and they are "wrong" as we are all one, just learning different aspects of ourselves.

i cannot figure out the math quiz thing? lol can anyone explain or give me an example of exactly what i'm supposed to do there? i can't see the numbers to the left of it , just barely. i have no clue what i'm supposed to do ... tia for any help with that.

it is a little confusing, but if you step back to look at the jumble you will notice it is actually a math question such as "5 + 3", though the + looks more like a -|. just copy what you write so if you get the question wrong you can just re-paste it and try again!

gnostic33

04-04-2009, 09:19 PM

can't figure out this quote thing but wanted to respond to everyone who responded to me about obama thank you all for your insight and encouragement. i think if we can just keep on keeping on, positive will win out, or atleast it will in the reality we have choosen.

this reminds me of the native american teaching about the two wolves
peace to you all
lisa
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an old cherokee chief was teaching his grandson about life...

"a fight is going on inside me," he said to the boy.
"it is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves.

"one is evil - he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, self-doubt, and ego.

"the other is good - he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith.

"this same fight is going on inside you - and inside every other person, too."

the grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather,
"which wolf will win?"

the old chief simply replied,
"the one you feed."

~author unknown~

aqcheryl

04-05-2009, 01:15 AM

can't figure out this quote thing but wanted to respond to everyone who responded to me about obama thank you all for your insight and encouragement. i think if we can just keep on keeping on, positive will win out, or atleast it will in the reality we have choosen.

sometimes the quote button isnt enough, when we want to separate responses... there is a quote icon in the text editor, its to the immediate right of the icon that looks like an image. just highlight the text you want to quote and click that button.

or you could type it out, which i find is easier... change ( ) to [ ]
(quote) insert what you want quoted here (/quote)
and if you want to include the persons name in the beginning... so like:

(quote=gnostic33) a b c d e f (/quote)

:)

the old chief simply replied,
"the one you feed."

that is very true!

let us feed obama the good stuff :)

Purple Dragon

04-05-2009, 11:00 AM

an old cherokee chief was teaching his grandson about life...

"a fight is going on inside me," he said to the boy.
"it is a terrible fight and it is between two wolves.

"one is evil - he is anger, envy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, self-doubt, and ego.

"the other is good - he is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion, and faith.

"this same fight is going on inside you - and inside every other person, too."

the grandson thought about it for a minute and then asked his grandfather,
"which wolf will win?"

the old chief simply replied,
"the one you feed."

~author unknown~

awesome quote! it would be great to know who this author was as this is an amazing statement.

as for editing our posts, aqcheryl gave a good example of how to quote but there are many more options as well.
check out the bb code (http://divinecosmos.com/forums/misc.php?do=bbcode) help guide for more details (really helped me when i started!)

gnostic33

04-05-2009, 07:20 PM

hmmm so i was watching a special today on the discovery channel they were speaking of nefertiti. they briefly mentioned akhenaten and when they did obama's face flashed in my mind. now i remember hearing hoagland speaking about obama maybe being a(physically or spiritualy maybe) descendant of a line of pharohs (or something along those lines) it rang a bell in my head when i first heard him say this, but didn't follow up on it. anyway i decided to google obama and akhenaten and sure enough there are people out there saying they think obama might be a reincarnation of akhenaten. there are pictures on a link which look very much like each other. contact me pm or google obama and akhenaten. i don't know too much about akhenaten so not sure what to think of this connection people are making.

lisa

gnostic33

04-05-2009, 08:02 PM

aqcheryl

04-05-2009, 09:58 PM

by the way just wanted to state don't agree with all the fear that is being posted online about the idea of obama's reincarnation i was saying to google to see the likeness in the pictures especially michelles picture. also i was just reading that akhenaten and nefertiti didnt have any sons only daughters, kinda like obama and michelle.
lisa:)
ps i see in the archives here akhenaten was brought up a few years back.

if he is, and he remembers, its quite possible indeed hes very affluent in the teachings of ra. and that is a promising thing indeed.
so this is the first i heard of it.
i looked it up and i read that akhenaten worshiped aten.
on wikipedia it says this:
"aten (or aton) was the disk of the sun in ancient egyptian mythology, and originally an aspect of ra"
in other words, ... ra. law of one is based off of ra teachings.

i found a link that shows comparison photos of the first family, to this egyptian family - and the similarities are remarkable.
do a search on akhenaten and obama and look for blogspot link...

heres the comparison image:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3562/3308042850_45b6aecc09.jpg?v=0

so if this is the case, and he retains memories of such... who better to escort us into ra thinking, right? we are heading for a new world regardless, and it is said that the masses will be awakened... and so far the masses follow obama... and so theres so many ties there :)

jasonzwsa

04-06-2009, 04:09 AM

Perspicuus

04-06-2009, 08:08 AM

hello everyone,

obama... obama... obama...

that's all we seem to see\hear on the news\web\forums lately.

is he an illuminaty?? he is really for the people\change?? is he there as a politician, looking out for himself??

i don't know.

everyone seems to have an opinion, which is alright.

david w. is very positive about the man and i respect that. we do need to be positive and send the guy some love.

my own opinion is...

well, ...

why don't we all wait for his term to finish and then judge the man (by that i mean make a proper judgement of the man's character)? why do it beforehand?

when i look back to past politician which seemed to have been looking out for the people, either they've been shot or encountered very though opposition from big players, with lots of influence or had bad propaganda going for them.

when you think about it, he is but one man. he does have influence, but... he has a leash nonetheless.

i think that if there is a change\revolution to come about, it'll be the people that makes the decision and take action to make that change. i don't think that placing an "x" on a ballot counts as far as making a decision for a change.

anyway... that's juste my 2 cents.

Jehanne

04-06-2009, 10:52 AM

hmm, that is pretty interesting stuff going on about akhenaten and obama. i think i will need to look into this further. thanks for the pictures :)

i read alot about akhenaten when i was younger and found the history to be extremely facsinating and inspiring.

cannot know for sure, but it put a smile on my face and made me think, "wow".

Purple Dragon

04-06-2009, 03:45 PM

aqcheryl

04-06-2009, 05:05 PM

i'm with you guys on obama being good however i have a question. he is definately doing a good diplomatic job of meeting world leaders and negoticing better ties, however surely he must know that 9/11 was an inside job. if so does this mean he is obliged to continue the speech about al-qaida ?

he might not have a choice in the matter.
its very obvious that something was done or said or shown to him to make him have to suddenly reverse on his promises prior to election.

no one works that fast, even the 'elite' would have done that gradual so as not to raise suspicion.

is he an illuminaty?? he is really for the people\change?? is he there as a politician, looking out for himself??

thats why some (like me) prefer to sit on the sidelines and watch for more information. im open that he could be either. i prefer to point out the things he is doing that seems obvious nwo as probable cause for being very careful.

from what i perceive, david is 100% sure (as 100% as one can get of course) that obama is the good guy, based on intel and knowledge he has come across.
i havent this information, so i cant base a decision based on what i do know, so im open that obama can be against us in the end as well. but im not going to immediately sit here and condemn the man. i prefer to have faith hes on our side. what we think, does manifest even in 3d. if we all think obama will be for us, then he will be. if we focus too much on him being against... then we will attract that outcome instead.

people do watch from the start though because the thing is... if you see a freight train coming at you, are you going to stand there and wait and see if it hits you, or are you going to use that knowledge to get off the tracks :d
thats why people watch him now.

but i agree with you, that we all should save any 'judgments' on his performance until after we have more information.

gnostic33

04-06-2009, 08:36 PM

i found a link that shows comparison photos of the first family, to this egyptian family - and the similarities are remarkable.
do a search on akhenaten and obama and look for blogspot

thanks for posting these pictures they are great! i am going to read more about akhenaten also. i have always been drawn to him and never really knew why. maybe this has something to do with it. i am very interested in how people are responding to all of this especially obama in general. i was talking to my boyfriend on our way to the hot springs today and i kept thinking of the wolf "teaching" i listed here earlier and then i kept feeling like it somehow connects to obama some people love him some people fear him (of course those are the two extreme feelings) but it keeps coming to me that we live in a world in which we are creating and i somehow feel that teaching is connected to obama but more in a self creating reality. like if you believe obama is the anti-christ then thats what he will be to you and thats the world you will exist in or if you believe he is authentic and going to do the right thing then that is the world you will find yourself in. i know it sounds a little looopy but thats the feeling i keep getting. i keep feeling we have two realities to choose from, as in two worlds co-existing as we speak the choice is... which reality will we feed/end up in???

peace to you all
lisa

Jetamus

04-07-2009, 01:06 AM

i think you can get a good idea of his independence just by looking at the tv news.

re-affirming commitment to freedom of information
gradually releasing bush memos.
call to rid the world of nukes
the huge strings attached to the bank bailouts
trying to bridge gap between the u.s. and the deeply distrusting muslims around the world
allowing coffins of the war dead to be photographed
recovery.gov - giving unprecedented openness to the governments spending.

none of these things benefit the power elite and none of these things would have happened under mccain or hillary clinton, and they certainly didn't happen under bush sr or bill clinton either.

and he's only been in office for 3 months....

Purple Dragon

04-07-2009, 04:29 PM

like if you believe obama is the anti-christ then thats what he will be to you and thats the world you will exist in or if you believe he is authentic and going to do the right thing then that is the world you will find yourself in. i know it sounds a little looopy but thats the feeling i keep getting. i keep feeling we have two realities to choose from, as in two worlds co-existing as we speak the choice is... which reality will we feed/end up in???

doesn't sound looopy at all to me, sounds like its right on track :)

we see what we want to see, there is no doubt. if we follow the path of love, that is where we will end up when it's time to move on. free will is the most important thing, so even if someone wants to live in the realm of sts (fear, control & manipulation), that is their right. doesn't mean we need to agree with it, just accept that they choose another path.

i love that we can hold out candles for each other and help one another find our path of love that so many of us want to walk. some just need help finding it

gnostic33

04-07-2009, 05:49 PM

it all comes down to a choice of emotion, love or fear

you know when i wrote the post about the two worlds and emotions about obama and posted it then i went on to read through some other posts and i saw your quote above and i started laughing as synchronicity at its best. yep love or fear your choice your world which one is it going to be??? then today i was resting as my energy has been crazy lately( i think interaction on this group heightens my energy a little too much:confused:) at any rate i had msnbc on tv today and i am not exaggerating when i say i heard news anchors, congressmen, reporters all speaking about a "parralel-universe" most of them are speaking of republicans being in left field about their perception of the current news and events, but again i am not exagerating i heard it soooo many times today it was erie! lol
peace to you all
lisa

aqcheryl

04-08-2009, 01:03 AM

i know it sounds a little looopy but thats the feeling i keep getting. i keep feeling we have two realities to choose from, as in two worlds co-existing as we speak the choice is... which reality will we feed/end up in???

no, not loopy at all... i get it. we are faced with one of those paths we must choose to walk down.

weboy78

04-09-2009, 01:49 PM

obama considers climate engineering to cool globe

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2009-04-08-obama-climate-engineering_n.htm

washington — the president's new science adviser said wednesday that global warming is so dire, the obama administration is discussing radical technologies to cool earth's air.

john holdren told the associated press in his first interview since being confirmed last month that the idea of geoengineering the climate is being discussed. one such extreme option includes shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect the sun's rays. holdren said such an experimental measure would only be used as a last resort...

Purple Dragon

04-09-2009, 10:39 PM

one such extreme option includes shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect the sun's rays. holdren said such an experimental measure would only be used as a last resort...

geeze didn't they blot out the sun with pollution in the matrix? you would think they would try to come up with something that didn't sound like it was going to be a possible death trap. not very inventive are they?

Purple Dragon

04-10-2009, 03:02 PM

i just read in this article (http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/obama+plants+white+house+first+garden+since+1900s/1484595/story.html) in the newspaper today.

michelle obama has started planting the first food garden since the mid-1900's. i think this is amazing, as it is very important to be able to grow our own food (not only is it better for us, but it also tastes better!). there may be many questions about where the obama's loyalties stand, but if this is an indication of the direction they are trying to move the world, it looks promising!

'"every single person, from prince charles on down, they were excited about the fact that we were planting a garden, because in many countries they really believe in the importance of planting and growing your own food," she said.

aqcheryl

04-10-2009, 05:20 PM

geeze didn't they blot out the sun with pollution in the matrix? you would think they would try to come up with something that didn't sound like it was going to be a possible death trap. not very inventive are they?

or in highlander 2 wasnt it a similar scenario and they had to create an orange shield.

i dont understand the logic in this if you ignore the money factor...
its clear cut solution - we dont need to do things like this - just make our environment cleaner. let the earth heal herself - she has that power.

Purple Dragon

04-10-2009, 08:48 PM

i dont understand the logic in this if you ignore the money factor...
its clear cut solution - we dont need to do things like this - just make our environment cleaner. let the earth heal herself - she has that power.

oh so true, and given the fact that we are one with her, why would anyone want to hurt our planet? things like this just don't compute in the brain. but some things just aren't explainable i suppose, so we need to accept it. and given the amount of love that the world is developing right now, we can at least have hope that we will all come together with gaia and our world will become one of beauty and love :)

aqcheryl

04-12-2009, 12:41 AM

but some things just aren't explainable i suppose, so we need to accept it.

being an indigo thats really hard to do! lol

shiva777

04-12-2009, 11:45 AM

let's hope obama has this "walk-in " experience that the new-agers hope will happen...if not have no doubt that we are headed for great times...wether obama wakes up or not....some say he is a double-agent,some say triple,,,lol,,too much emphasis on one man is unhealthy...maybe he will be assassinated,then what?,,,there may be a better replacement...

well... hello!

i am new (my first post) to the divine cosmos blog, but i'll get off to a running start.

i have listened to several youtubes of david's talks and found them exciting, invigorating and cutting edge. his spirituality for the "left half of your brain" matches well with the wisdom depth sincere speak of his heart. there is one point, i was ecstatic (and like relieved, i mean, "finally!") to hear about which i will address today. there was another chick on youtube who also spoke of a vivid dream with the democratic nominee being a man. it was said that this person had a special book which dealt with manifesting. a technology that he had access to. she was at a table with several beings and a large book was on the table. she felt so strongly about her dream she put it on youtube months ago but i no longer have the link and can’t find it.

i keep being really surprised more "spirit" folks aren't picking up positively on obama. as david has mentioned, obama seems to be quite active in dreamtime and i have seen obama several times (in dream) and he seems to meet regularly with folks up there, say thank you at critical junctures completed and make further plans of action. so i was really surprised to see so many people (not just here, lots of places) so lukewarm to downright negative.

[something i noticed on this blog in particular was the constant reference to obama being illuminati.... (yes, yes 13th cousin to cheney aside)... i mean, really are there any black people deep in the inner circles on the illuminati? really? i could have sworn it was all/mostly white folks. (blue eyed blonde being thee best) i mean, i am kinda laughing again... i am not being rude... i don't know... maybe that was kinda of naive question? it's just been my experience and understanding that if you got a little color, you’re not really ever gonna get "in" with groups such as that. i just laugh... hey... maybe affirmative action is working!! ok... moving on...]

so, i too, get very clearly that it would be very useful to have obama in office to go through 2012. i base this on my own interpretation of my own data of 1) intuition 2) dreamtime 3) aura flash.

intuition-self explanatory. dream: i will share one. from april 17, 2008.

in dream, i am half waking up and i say to my dad (as he is entering the house), "i am right in the new world i dreamed, right where i want to be where everything is as i wished." ("wished" being: there was a peace and happiness. people interacted with each other in calm and present momentness. many had jobs and homes and purpose that fulfilled them and everyone was excited about the future. picture this: a 20-40% increase in life quality across the broad in most major areas related to living and functioning in society for most had come to pass already. so much had changed for the better so far, and yet, all knew it was going to and continuing to improve and get better. so there was hope and fulfilled expectation.) and what i saw was that obama was president. (in the dream, i seem to understand that, him being president, was one of the major points to drawing this picture together.) it continues....

.... misty, cloudy... and i can see obama's other self-- a thin, tall being with a 2-3 foot neck. graceful, wise, kind, patient and slow. several of his race (of starperson) were there in a clump. all with long necks signifying ability to gather vision. this particular star race (i knew) was renowned throughout much of the universe for its ambassadorial, leadership and mediator skills. there are often sought after for these areas in cases where much is at stake. it could be said, "their long necks allowed them to "see far" while their feet skill walk upon a grounded surface."

as the three or so of them walked toward me, the one in front, who i knew to be obama’s soul said, "we have our heads in the clouds so that we can see where we are going." take that phrase in for a second.

i had such a sense of wonder... happiness to really have made it here.

================================================== ===
anyway, so i really can't see what people are being so sluggish about. i know this is long, but bare with me... i am actually looking around and i am not sure everyone sees the train coming. and i am a bit like... "ok people."
hello, we blink and let that mccain train hit us and i don't think it's gonna be a pretty picture at all. so if any of this can help motivate people with gifts into serious gear i am happy to write it.

this is why i was so glad to hear someone else was getting the obama info... please don't anyone take this the wrong way, but obama seems so "bright/ loud/ clear" etc... i can't see why more people don't see him.... one way or another... with their hearts or their minds or dreams or you’re just tired of bush.... i hear the polls have it pretty close…. i’m like…”how?”

one thing that really also confirmed it for me was before dreams. aura flash. obama and clinton debates. i think this is worthy to mention: it was only in response to people in the audience responding/ resonating with a truth spoken by obama. to be clear, i never saw it as a "power up" to respond to clinton. (i feel this to be a very important detail of positive integrity which i won't go into ) he would speak about something that he really believed in with passion from his heart and with strength (because it was a debate)... if/as the audience affirmed his statement i saw his aura go out and brighten. (i could go on as to my understanding as to why it does that, but this post is sooo long already) . anyhow, i saw this twice in separate debates so if i’d missed it once, i definitely got it the second time. no i don’t see auras all the time.

ten (10) weeks... for anyone still out there listening. i hope this didn't come off preachy or off topic. i really hope it will get people focusing and lending their energy and strength and attention at the critical junctures to help push in the new world... sometimes there at "handles" or anchors or highly concentrated synchronic points- that it is useful to focus on and singularly really pin down. big picture- good. however, sometimes it is useful to nail down the tent spikes, yes?

that is all... hope i have not bored you all too much. :0)

much love

darlyne

aqcheryl

04-12-2009, 02:44 PM

Blacksunshine

04-13-2009, 12:00 PM

i feel that obama is not the change, instead hes the catalyst that brings it about. so in the end it doesnt matter if hes working for the people or against the people, he will cause the change. he is like the rock that you toss in the lake, and it has ripple affects... we are the lake and we bring about the actual change :)

i could not agree more with this quote, and i could not have said it better. that is what we need....one thing i liked that obama said, is that he cant change this country....together we have to change it. if this country is going to change, i would be sure to say that i would want something to do with it anyway!!! and i finally feel like i have that power.

on a side note: who wouldn't want their own garden??? mid 1900's, that sounds crazy too me!!!! well i'm glad that michelle shared a passion for gardening like many of us americans do!!! i hope her garden flourishes....and shhhh....but i kinna hope mine does too ;)

samncheese

04-13-2009, 05:27 PM

i too have felt deeply that obama is the catylist. we must embrace the constitution, it holds our freedoms to us and takes them from the goverment. all people in this planet need a constitution that is upheld for all men and women of the world. the corruption of the last 100 years us unraveling, but the good of the earth need to be vigulant to be ready to step in when an opportunity opens up for true leader to step in.

peace

gnostic33

04-17-2009, 01:20 PM

pyramidnj

04-18-2009, 06:14 AM

i have been "away" for a good while from this site which i consider to be an especially wonderful space in our universe -- burning the candle at all 3 ends! i am now skimming through the message threads and connecting here and there, consciously. i am pleased to see that obama has been discussed extensively here. my perspective is quite simple. i have no doubt that the law of one is obama's point of departure for everything he does, regardless of certain detours he must take to make things eventually work in this particular world consciousness and timeline. for me, during his campaign, obama's mention that "we are one" served as a trigger within me to identify this great soul and to understand his mission here. that was enough for me to make my choice. we must understand that his political "detours" are all structured to make it possible to reach the highest possible achievement in all circumstances. patience on our part, supported by deep-seated knowing, will enable us to quietly contribute to strengthening the quality of human consciousness needed to facilitate achievement of obama's [and countless great souls like him] mission.

infinite love to all!
jo anne

LordDragon

04-19-2009, 07:05 AM

interesting topic, i also had a lucid dream with obama in it. it was situated in old egypte. and now i read here that there is a possibility obama is akhenaton. nice!
in the dream we are walking between the pyramids and obama is like some sort of old frend. i think he is a very wise man, but he's also very young to have such power.
i think many of you know that the american president is in some way a puppet of the elite. there are peole above him, so he must carrefully hanlde things. but alltouhg this makes the situation more difficult, i believe it is obama's intention to do good. and this is a very big difference to me as an european with bush. as an european we feel relation with obama, we feel connection. with bush we couldn't do anything in the end as loughing with. that old drunk nazi cowboybush was some kind of crazy emperor, like nero. (an old roman emperor who just looks like bush) :d obama is a man of the people. so let's feed these good intensions of obama. give him some energy so that he has the currage and finds the power to handle from out his heart, and to do what's right. i'm verry happy that there is a difference, that's a good start for mr obama. (and his family, and the american people)

blessings, ld.

mmariebored

04-21-2009, 10:40 PM

obama is a man of the people. so let's feed these good intensions of obama. give him some energy so that he has the currage and finds the power to handle from out his heart, and to do what's right. i'm verry happy that there is a difference, that's a good start for mr obama. (and his family, and the american people)

have you tried that, i wonder? has anyone here tried to send obama positive energies and love? i know i certainly have and do, and i believe his intentions are as pure as intentions can get.

Karen Rusk

04-22-2009, 11:47 AM

yes, i've been sending him positive energy since he announced his candidacy for the office. your idea is the perfect example of creating what we do want rather than listing what we don't want :)

coneyisland

04-22-2009, 02:38 PM

yup, reiki protection sent to the obama family. i heard on one forum, and i don't know if this is correct, but that barack obama's soul is part of the council of 9 of the universe. the job of being president at this juncture in time was so critical that a very wise soul was sent to do the job and be a leader for this country/planet at this time.

anyone who is unfamiliar with reiki, btw, it's a real easy way to spread universal life force around in a friendly way. anyone who needs healing will seek you out for energy if you're open to it. just keep your eyes and ears open.

LoveWins

04-23-2009, 07:17 AM

you know, these last posts that all contain the idea sending obama pure energy from our heart to support him as a catalyst, or support his good intentions ( if you believe that) and protection for him as he works through this very challenging job before him.

i just wanted to report that i continue to get prompting every single day to send him what i call my " heart of love" energy for protection, and to literally give him a sense he is supported in good intentions despite the opposition he receives.

it's funny.. i admit freely i've never been into politics, in fact i've always found it hard to pay attention to b/c it always was either boring or i felt averse to it.. until bush came along, but all that did was trigger negative feelings in me, so i tried to avoid that and send him "positive energy" too.. except i never felt it was received so i finally just started to ignore him. yea, i did that. i didn't want to give him attention for some reason.

and i really tried to be neutral but i still stick to my gut instinct for me personally b/c i felt a change when obama went in... almost like some kind of elation, and wow effect. i felt potentiality and possibility was open again, that something closed off was open again. i felt like many have described... like one would feel about a close friend who you connect with on a soul level and just feel in sync with. amazing he triggers that in many.

however i don't discount those who feel differently. i am sending him good vibrations, and protection for him and his family, but i am set open to all ideas and feelings from others to give consideration too . because obviously everyone's opinion or feeing is valid for them and their truth. and as i once read, your mind is like a parachute, it doesn't work very well when it's not opened. :-)

vjvousden

04-24-2009, 09:37 PM

i don't really have anything to add to all the excellent points here. but i relate to many of you who say you have never been political but just had had enough of the last administration and i tried sending love, by the frieght truck full in my visualization. i always felt it got ignored or even stopped at the gate. and when obama became a contender in the primaries, i felt such a huge wave of "aha" and love of some sort for this man that from then on he got power love sent to him and prayers for protection for him and his family. i continue this to this day. a huge weight lifted from the world on jan 20, i felt. i actually felt it. and i have had several dreams of actually working with obama on his campaign trail when he was running (mostly behind the stage) and recently in a sort of habitat for humanity project where he mucked in with all of us in fixing a house up. i continue to feel good things will come from him and he is on the side of the people and walking a fine line with those who try to control him because his heart if with the people. i see things changing daily, not all is bad. i see a coming together of people to help and that is so positive.
be well, everyone.
valarie

LordDragon

04-25-2009, 06:25 AM

@ mmariebored

you asked if i had done that, sending some energy to obama. well i made a portrait of the president :)

is it correct to you that when you think of somebody in a positive way, you are infact sending out positive vibrations to that person?

blessings, ld.

Nomadess 2012

04-26-2009, 08:33 PM

okay. no panicking. i have been researching this since yesterday and i found out that donald rumsfeld is or used to be the ceo of the company that makes tamiflu, the vaccine. and according to another article, al gore is pretty well connected to that too. there is a you tube video showing "500,000 plastic coffins" have been manufactured in atlanta ... home of the cdc and supposed fema camp. el d.f. (mexico city) is virtually shut down, and mexico's corrupt, election-stealing-puppet-of-the-us, president calderon, will assume special powers. here's the thing ... i am a little freaked out by all this, and need to vent about it. hence the post here. but ... i want to advocate not giving into the fear and panic. i don't suggest staying ignorant (ignorance is bliss), rather it is very important to stay informed these days, so as not to be taken off guard in any situation. but we can't let it bring us down, is what i'm getting at.

what do you guys all think of all this?
i am awaiting david's next blog on the whole thing.

i was reading these posts yesterday and i want to thank the guy (i forget your name!) who posted his website [please pm for url]
thank you! the exercises on this website will help everyone stay in the right vibe.

aqcheryl

04-27-2009, 04:07 PM

what do you guys all think of all this?
i am awaiting david's next blog on the whole thing.

well none of this is new news. the coffins have been known about for a couple of years at least - theres articles that go back that far that ive seen. also the nwo agenda is to eliminate 90% of the population - this is how they are doing it. in fact, you could even say the 'four horsemen' not only are here, but they have been here. well the thing is though, is that they will try and do what they can to us - but we have the power to stop them.

i vaguely remember david has brought up the coffins in the past, but i cant remember where. i did a search of dc but all i found of mentions were here in the forums - so i must have heard it in one of the videos, or audio interviews.

the nwo's agenda was to cause this to happen many years from now, near 2050... but theyve had to up their game, which means they are frantically trying to move all their pieces in a row. so the positivity in there is they are making hoardes of mistakes and i do believe they are exposing more people to their true agenda inadvertently than people like alex jones has directly.

since they are pulling all their tricks out of the bag they are finding the answer they dont want. theres really only three issues - because death is a consequence of those three, it cant be counted as an individual cause.
first they tried war - but thats not working for them - we are demanding peace. then they are trying famine (shutting down farms and tainting food) but thats not working - more and more people are starting to cultivate their own fruits and vegetables. and also the economy is a way to create famine - if people cant afford to buy food...
now they are trying to pestilence - but our bodies are stronger than they think, and people are seeing through the vaccines.

so this tells me just by bible prophecy we are very much near the end - remember we are faced with all of these just prior to jesus' second coming. now we know we are jesus, and ascension is the second coming, but this just makes it even more fit that 2012 is the time.

and thats a positive thing. we have to remember that everyone who dies from their agenda, do not truly die, and in that sense they are lucky as they are the first wave perhaps.

so the real question is what is obama's stance on all this - and looking at his actions as opposed to his words. the actions the main media refuses to show. in the past they refused anything to show he could do no wrong, but as popular opinion has changed, they now show everything they deem he is doing wrong without focusing on the positive things he may be doing.

LoveWins

04-27-2009, 07:00 PM

agreed... just another thing to scare people in general. not to detract from the seriousness of the flu itself. it's only common sense to take precautions and do the best you can to avoid getting it. beyond that, i don't see much use in giving "them" anymore power with attention to the antics itself.

so i guess i'm saying i'm with you all, we cannot let this get us down. actually i personally feel strangely numb at this point anyway. like i've heard so much doom and gloom that it doesn't shock me . i just refuse to live in fear. totally pointless no matter what comes down the pipe.

i'd rather spend time learning new things and spend my imagination time on what i know we could be... and keep laughing. above all, don't lose a sense of humor in life. i think finding the humor in things keeps us going and truly is good medicine.

i don't mean to drift off topic, just responding to the post about the flu thing and who's gonna be raking in the money from it.

i still feel the same about president obama so no need to say more on that. but i'm always open to any information....

i can't wait till david puts up that update about all this either!! .. i know he must be tired though, so i'm just gonna check everyday lol

aqcheryl

04-27-2009, 10:33 PM

agreed... just another thing to scare people in general. lol

i agree - in fact i just saw a video by ron paul in regards to this issue, and hes providing more knowledge. for example i personally had not known the swine flu has hit us before, in 1976. if you want to see what he has to say youtube "congressman paul swine flu". its very informative and will help i think to alleviate any fears.

might help until we hear from david :)

onething

04-28-2009, 09:02 AM

hi folks,

i'm not afraid of the flu, but i am worried about forced vaccinations...i just want to say that tamiflu is not a vaccination. it is a supposed flu treatment and i don't think it is particularly effective or safe.

some things you can try are - i won't name the name but there is a homeopathic flu treatment that is extremely effective and it has a crazy long name that begins with "o" and if you ask at the health food store they will know. you can also try nanosilver/colloidal silver, miracle mineral supplement and hydrogen peroxide orally, although you should read up on that. in addition, get sunshine, take natural vitamin a and d such as in cod liver oil (most cod liver oils have removed a lot of the d) and there are also several immune boosting herbs.

*******

i keep obama in my mind and talk to his oversoul every day. i may be a fool but i have a tremendous love for him and yes i do send him what positive energy i can. is this not the lesson of science of peace?

the other day i bought his book dreams from my father and it is an absolute page turner. i can hardly put it down. the newer book is not nearly so riveting, the audacity of hope. i've been skimming around in it.

i haven't finished the book yet but i do get a definite impression of a life that was engineered to stuff as much learning that a world leader would need that could possibly be done. his childhood was amazing. the worst thing about it is he grew up around a lot of cigarettes! he basically had 3 fathers, his real father, his stepfather, and his grandfather. his indonesian stepfather treated him like a son and was in his life from age 4 to ten. this man taught him a lot. he speaks fluent indonesian. he is deeply aquainted with the struggles of the common man both foreign and native. i am very glad for his years abroad because americans have been so obtuse in regarding other people as real. also, he grew up around a very tolerant form of islam and for that matter some buddhism, so he will not internally demonize muslims.

it seems his mother taught him a lot about compassion and caring for the world and its corruptions. she also encouraged him and in fact spurred him on to be amibitious, not to feel limited.

he discovered that he was black and that this could be a real problem in life suddenly when he was 10 and it hit him like a ton of bricks. from that time on, he has been an intensely introspective person, with internal struggles of a philosophical nature.

i do believe he knows what he is up against, and he is a measured man. he will not make undue sudden moves. it is very important that he get re-elected. don't forget that. also, he has said that the change must come not only from him but from the people. if he is to make real changes, call the guilty to the carpet, he must get a mandate from the people. and we the people must begin to realize that if we give silent assent to bad things, then we are complicit, and if we want change, we must demand it. when we demand it, we give obama permission. he needs that permission.

PriestOfLight

04-28-2009, 11:22 AM

what do you guys all think of all this?
i am awaiting david's next blog on the whole thing.

david has said that this will not succeed. in my opinion, it is only exposing the players to the rest of the world.

love and light

paul

Ali Quadir

04-28-2009, 12:44 PM

as far as the flu is concerned. i'd agree with the "don't panic" suggestions here. i've been reading up on it, as far as i could see last night there are 1500 confirmed cases, and 150 deaths attributed to the disease. all the deaths occurred in mexico. of those 150 only 22 were confirmed to be because of the pig flu. so the actual mortality of this particular flu might be a big overstatement. on the other side there's also the likelihood that the 1500 confirmed cases are only the tip of the iceberg. if we get the flu we only go to a doctor if it's a severe case. most of the cases will therefore go unnoticed. lowering the mortality even more.

also, this flu appeared in the news a decade ago and they were afraid of pandemics back then. these things mutate, but why the fuzz now? in my opinion it's just a nasty flu. it's behaving like it. it's not behaving like ebola or something. maybe it is slightly more lethal than the flu i had last week. but for some reason it so far only killed people in mexico. the bird flu that was to be the death of us all only cost us 780 victims mostly in the under developed worlds. less than half the death count of the israel palestine christmas gifts. we're facing worse dangers at the moment.

the fact that big corporations are at least spinning this to sell their overpriced medications once again does not surprise me much. there is only reports so far about this flu from western countries. israel, spain, mexico, new zealand. i'd personally expect the poor countries to be hit first and hardest due to lower standards in medical care and hygiene. yet china south america and afrika are eerily silent about it.

also big media is spinning this in a big way. yesterday i had a good laugh with the radio where every talk show just would not stop talking about this. "we have the author of <some cook book> on our show" "lets talk swine flu!" and each painted a scarier picture than the previous. twitter was also accused of fear mongering, it turns out that if you have channels that are bombarded with negative uninformed fear based messages it becomes hard to hear the experts. and so hundreds of thousands from all over the world participated in days of terror where messages like "this is it, it just hit new york, we're all going to die!" did not even stand out. if you believed twitter you believed that the death for mankind was imminent and that most of the world was already coughing up blood.

emotionally it's a drag though. i feel so many people edging towards panic again. and it doesn't have to be this way. this gets me most about these things. there is no doubt in my mind that this is yet another mosquito advertised as an elephant. yet you can feel the global mind having another bad dream.

if you want my advice. the skin of a lemon boiled in hot water is very healthy. especially if you put a little honey with it. you might be over doing it. but hey, why not spoil yourself, right?

Nomadess 2012

04-28-2009, 03:00 PM

i think it is important to note that obama has been saying the flu is "no cause for alarm." because he knows. just like ali quadir said about it being a big overstatement, obama knows it is not cause for alarm. i think its important to read between the lines what he says in his speeches, as i believe he is constatnly misinterpreted by the mainstream and even most of the alternative media.

i will have to read dreams of my father on the suggestion of onething. i feel the same as you about obama having lived in indonesia and being more worldly in general ... i love it!! bush had never left the country before he became president!! reading your post reiterated that for me.

it is a drag emotionally, whenever "they" try to send everyone into a panic such as with this so-called swine flu. i tend to get into "worst case scenario" thinking, as i'm sure everyone must, and think of all these things like martial law, etc., blah blah blah ... and i get scared sometimes for my family and freinds ... not to mention myself, and people like david who put all this out there. which reminds me, did you read the article yesterday about the colombian journalist, he was on board an air fance flight to mexico ... i won't write the whole story here so as not to take up space ... do a google on it, it's scary! but, one has to laugh at the ridiculousness of it all!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is the mentality i would like to stay in: laughing at the ridiculousness of it all.

i read something the other day in the news about a peace group being infiltrated, i think, in scotland. and one woman said something about how the police, though in plain cloithes, was easy to spot because he didn't "speak from the heart."

we should do a group meditation for mexico city ...

Meriut

04-28-2009, 04:33 PM

hmmm...so if the talking heads are busy talking about this "pandemic" of swine flu...who has time to talk about torture anymore?

pretty convenient timing imho.

we just have to remember that the human body has everything within that it needs to heal itself. (i recently got this message again from my higher self).

we do not need to go into a state of fear & panic...there are ways to keep strong physically and spiritually.

blessings of light
meriut ...aka desertrose

voidofsilence

04-28-2009, 08:59 PM

wasn't sure if some folks here were talking about this flu thingy. i been listening to the recent show that coast to coast did about this last night talking about it all with alex jones and a few other peoples. it is definetly a bit overwelming and i feel like i been getting all germaphobish. i do really feel it is important to be positive about it, but man does it have a bit of a rubbing off effect.

all the doom and gloom stuff is not what i want to go with ya know, and i honestly feel that love is the key and will prevail. positivity is what it is about.......which is becoming more and more strance and slightly ironic in my life. ever since i came across dw, my stance on obama has definetly changed into a more positive outlook. a lot of it makes sense and he is a very clever person indeed who i do believe has a good head and intention on his shoulders. i hope you all well and for the time being i guess i will just observe this all and do my best to get healthier and prepared for me and my wife. you definetly can do no wrong in doing that.

its nice to hear some other people are not freaking out about all this.
coming to this site tonight made my day a lot better.
love will prevail in all its mightiness.

-alex

dazcox

04-29-2009, 05:07 AM

the math question thing doesn't work for me no matter what computer i'm on so here's a question on david's latest blog post.

"the flying of an f-16 assisted air force one jet at a very low altitude over new york was so stupid, so ridiculous and so blatant that it must truly be seen as a very last-ditch move by the criminal cartel to avoid complete destruction. "
why must it be seen as a 'last-ditch' effort? i'm no expert and i have total faith that david is telling the truth to the best of his abilities but i don't think there was an explanation given for this statement.

the flyover was insensitive, most likely planned and the reaction of fear counted upon and i can see it as one more thing they might be doing to make people choose fear over love, but why is it the last thing they do?

is it all over then? did we win because we didn't all freak out and die or something?

for a guy who chastised me for cavalierly using the word, cheesy, in good cheer, to describe a piece of art i love, i think he should be a little more careful of sensational statements such as 'last-ditch effort' as that implies, by logic, they are done, right? just trying to help, constructive criticism!

LoveWins

04-29-2009, 07:33 AM

hey voidofsilence ( alex) and everyone else ... ,

i used to listen to a lot alex jones and a few others that i don't need to mention. i literally had to stop due to the insanity of the fear factor they were inciting. i mean it wasn't subtle, it is always close to hysteria.

while i do know they are speaking of things that have a truth behind them ( the illuminati, nwo etc) i question the motives when i hear anything fearful. i won't even use the word negative, because to me the world must contain both a negative and positive element to balance out if that makes sense :-)

doesn't mean i have to feed into anything fearful though.i just read david's most recent blogs and once again, i'm amazed at how thorougly and accurately he is about all this.

if you haven't read it , you gotta !! and watch the videoes. he includes several from jon stewart at comedy central which are hilarious and put it all in perspective. not only will it help you see things from another perspective but you get a good laugh too :-)

someone mentioned that lets meditate for mexico. sure.. in fact anyone who wants to meditate for the truth and light to shine in this world , bringing a cascade of compassion and love please do focus on that a bit each day. i don't think we all have to necessarily do it all at a certain time ( although that works tremendously well to) but the point is, it starts within us, and there will be so much powerful energy that will quicken this whole thing.

there's nothing to be afraid of..... just choose to go about your day, use common sense and be a light instead of wishing to see it somewhere. in that regard, someone will sense yours and may turn on their on light huh? :d

i believe we are edging ever closer and closer. each trick that is pulled is going to bring us closer to the downfall of them. and then maybe they can join us in better endeavors and learn that there is more power in truth and love than in control and domination.

i believe in change.. do you ? *grin*