Sexuality

[wintersun]

ok, i've noticed that sex seems kinda alien to me... i've been with my girlfriend for almost 7 years now, but i just can't "feel" this sexuality so much. it's like i'm not relaxed enough, but more likely, i feel like its just not it at all!

i actually have a typical male urge for all that, but when it comes to actually do it, something just doesn't feel right! like this kind of love is totaly alien and unknown to me. but i really wish to sense it like i should.

whats wrong?

i actually have a friend who is a 4th density wanderer, and he really has no problems with that. maybe it's cos i'm 5th or 6th?? i understand that sexuality is quite different there. maybe that's why this seems so strange to me?

any ideas?

[mellisamouse]

well, i have no advice, but just wanted to say you are not alone on that one. i would be completley satisfied either being on my own, or just with the snuggloing part...once anything goes farther than that it just seems weird and i don't want anything further. i haven't even tried or let someone else try for years now....

[Enkidu]

the fact that your friend is a wanderer and the fact the you believe yourself to be a 5th/6th density wanderer should not impede in sexual relations at all. if that was the case then it would be commonplace between all 5th/6th wanderers, which i can assure you is not the case.

sexual relations when performed correctly with another partner of similar vibration are uplifting and positively reinforcing/invigorating. the spectrum of energy derived from sex is as varied as the entities engaged in it. from red to the rare violet rays possible of being achieved/activated during the communion.

i believe your problem is based in the physical not the ethereal. perhaps you have feelings/emotions/thoughtforms from physical engagements earlier in your life. perhaps it is something carried over from another, perhaps it is a security,comfort issue. perhaps it is one of your lessons and you have yet to meet your contract/contact to help you move beyond these feelings or lack of feelings.the possibilities are quite varied but i personally do not believe it stems from vibrational resonance prior to the veil.

continue spiraling ever upwards,
austin

[conundrum]

try having sex with out actually ejaculating your self your goal is to please her and make her have multiple orgasms or at least one.
this will build up your vital energy and you will find if you are able to retain your seaman you will want to be with her more and more the hardest thing will be convincing her that you your self do not wish to ejaculate but still want to have sex.
after practicing that for a while a month or two start focusing on connecting with your heart chakra as well you will both start experiencing different shifts in consciousness after a while sex is an energy force and is very powerful.

[ds37ds]

a couple of days ago, i happened to read something about 6d entities having a "revulsion to physicality". "they find the lack of spirituality of the 3rd density difficult to live with. they can adjust to a certain degree but disike it overall."

i think that as you become more aware of your identity, you seek a different type of union - soul fusion -perhaps.

love
ds

[canaan]

let me speak to this because i've had feeling of this nature and have found a very happy ending to this dilemma. no pun intended.

there is a function for sex, the obvious is procreation. its also a 3rd density mechanism to connect with a mate if done with love and want of union.

ra speaks of green ray, or love energy, transfer during intimacy and also states, if this energy is blocked unhealthy formations can occur.

is this where your discomfort comes from? does the act feel or make you feel weird during or after the act?

does your mate want this interaction and is upset that you will not engage?

me and my lovely fiancee went roundabout this issue for awhile because our intimacy petered off drastically after a few years of living together.
she wanted to know if i thought her pretty, and she wanted physical affirmation of it. she wanted to be cherished in union and i was not providing that for her.

think of things in these terms. q'uo materials, q'uo being a part of the ra/latwii social/memory complex, mentions many times that often mates who couple in our density have chosen to incarnate and meet one another. the reasons vary but typically its considered to q'uo an efficient means to access to both the feminine and masculine aspects of creation.

now we can talk about being wanderers day and night, but we are here, in third density. we need to also look for reasons less esoteric in nature.

is it that you and your partner have forgotten how to cherish each other?
is it that you are scared of having a child?

before you give up hope, attributing your feelings towards sex as a condition of your highly advanced density, try cherishing your mate.

give her your full attention and think about the beauty that drew her to you.
take small steps and hold her hand and think of how you have cherished her, and why you have been together for 7 years.

if that fills you with love, perhaps take it a step further and rub her back and tell her your feelings, then take it from there.

me and my fiancee allowed time to let our intimacy slip for a good while and just recently rekindled it, and will soon have our first child.

in my case, i needed to see the beauty and fierce intelligence that chooses
to live with me, in union ~ a partner in creation.

once i took the time to really cherish her my doubts, and my want to create with her magnified in great amounts.


i hope this helps.

[mellisamouse]

ahhh, well some light has definatly been shed on this situation.

good answers so far.

i think i realize for me, i just don't want to waist my energies of that kind on someone who is not willing to recieve them, or just trying to "take" in any way....in short i guess it is the soul connection i need in order to feel i am not "waisting" my self or my time...

i sure sound selfish sometimes......but i just want to give more to one person than a little to a bunch of people, if that makes sense.

i guess if i know i don't want to be with someone long term, it just isn't gonna happen.

[wintersun]

hey!

thank you all for your replies! you've been most helpfull!

i'll try to do those things you advised me :)

well, i'd like to point out that i'm not scared of having children, nor do i love my gf less.. its just that i never really felt this sexuality the way it's supose to be felt. i always feel like this is somthing awefully alien and uncommon to me.

but it really freaks me out cos i really want to feel it, and i really have a strong sex drive. i just can't find a way to "feel" it. i can express it, but the only person who is really enjoying it is my gf. i actually do it only becose of her, and most of the times i even lie to her that i was relaxed, when actually i was faking it.

[Mikazo]

i have the same weird attraction/aversion to sex, and for the most part didn't really find many people attractive at all growing up. part of me likes physical contact and the ability to connect to someone else emotionally or intellectually, but the other side of me has this weird thing about it, whereby sex looks and feels strange and alien.

i would kind of like to see what's up with this. either i was missing something from childhood or there is just something very strange about my makeup.

[dukemccormic]

i would say that those who arn't interested in sex, or find it odd in a way, had chose to either go this last round solo, or to wait for someone specific to enter the new age with.
if you are comfortable with your life then you are likely living as you planned before you started it.
i only share because this is what i've concluded for me.
life is theory sometimes,
matthew.

[Understanding]

i haven't really been interested in sex that much either....i tried it, but i guess you can call me a late bloomer. don't get me wrong i am aroused by women all the time. sex just isn't that important to me. as for not thinking that many people are attractive i have the same thing i don't go for looks only....i go for looks, personality, chemistry, conversation. my scale on looks is like 1-8 lol i don't believe in a perfect looking person not to should to shallow, but hey like they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder

[johnasmodeus]

i think i have an idea what you are feeling. i tend towards the other side of the spectrum - the hypersexual, but i've known for a long time that it's not the actual sexual activity that i crave, but the closeness to another human being. plus, god do i love girls. honestly, i don't understand why god made most of us men so horrendously ugly.

but anyway, for a long time i couldn't really get used to the whole sex thing. it felt alien to me, unnatural, anticlimactic. then i learned how to do what conundrum recommends above, which is holding yourself back in order to give the girl the most pleasure you can. now the only problem i have is if my partner has hangups about enjoying sex (which is a surprisingly common hangup).

good luck!
practice makes perfect!

[meganarline]

well if having an inversion to sex is another indication of being a wanderer, then that's another indication that i might not be.:)

my only issue is with a partner who i do love and cherish who has little interest or at least no desire at all to initiate it while i would love to try and take the whole experience to the next level incorporating a more spiritual attitude.

what's a girl to do?

megan

i guess my question is are the energy transfers the same when only one partner is aware of the potential for energy transfers so should i just go for it.

[FooSnik]

many spiritual people are, how should i say, all in there heads, hearts and minds and many times their primal root chakra can be weak or blocked. the root chakra is the primal, animal, survival chakra which governs the quality of your raw energy or the "fire in the belly".

i found one site you might check out:

http://www.algonet.se/~anki-p/rootchakra.html

this can be altered by just concentrating on getting that going, if you so choose. i had a simular situation as well which extended itself into multiple directions in my life. basically i wasn't very ambitious to do much of anything. i think it served it's purpose, though, because the only motivation i had during that time was to read. and i learned so much, way more than i would have if all i could manage to think about was girls. everything happens for a reason, know what i mean?

can be fixed if you want it too.

cheers!

[Enkidu]

@megan

if only one partner is geared towards the experience as being one that is spiritually uplifting and that is the overall goal then they are the only one open/responsive to that level of vibration/color/energy. the other person would still be vibrating at a lower red/orange/yellow ray as those are the ones reserved for the simple act of sex for pleasure/procreation with no higher meaning/resolve.

there for if you go into the situation blue/green (spirited/receptive) but your partner just wants to "get off" (red/yellow) then you will have a meld of those two.

you go lower, they go higher. in a sense it is sto on your part, but you arent really being energized/invigorated during the act. in my opinion anyways.

continue spiraling ever upwards,
austin

[meganarline]

hey foo,

thanks for your response. but i am getting the impression that you think that feeling sexual feelings are wrong and should be gotten rid of. i don't obsess about it. i think it's perfectly natural to want to experience higher more profound sexual exchanges especially with some one you love.

what i am finding difficult is that i don't think this person shares the same desires.

i guess i just find it strange that so many people are not into sex and thought i would represent the other side of the coin.

megan






many spiritual people are, how should i say, all in there heads, hearts and minds and many times their primal root chakra can be weak or blocked. the root chakra is the primal, animal, survival chakra which governs the quality of your raw energy or the "fire in the belly".

i found one site you might check out:

http://www.algonet.se/~anki-p/rootchakra.html

this can be altered by just concentrating on getting that going, if you so choose. i had a simular situation as well which extended itself into multiple directions in my life. basically i wasn't very ambitious to do much of anything. i think it served it's purpose, though, because the only motivation i had during that time was to read. and i learned so much, way more than i would have if all i could manage to think about was girls. everything happens for a reason, know what i mean?

can be fixed if you want it too.

cheers!

[FooSnik]

hey foo,

thanks for your response. but i am getting the impression that you think that feeling sexual feelings are wrong and should be gotten rid of. i don't obsess about it. i think it's perfectly natural to want to experience higher more profound sexual exchanges especially with some one you love.

what i am finding difficult is that i don't think this person shares the same desires.

i guess i just find it strange that so many people are not into sex and thought i would represent the other side of the coin.

megan

no, no, no. whatever gave you that idea? i think it is most beneficial to have all your chakras fully blazing!

i was just saying that to have one blocked for a time can be beneficial as well. it can serve a purpose. i never would have learned so much or been able to be so studious if those primal urges were not blocked for a period of time. i was able to focus without distractions. it is very common anong highly spiritual or religious people, like the pope for example, who cannot indulge in that kind of activity so the root chakra becomes practically inactive.

but now i feel i am quite balanced and i enjoy a full and rich life including a robust sex life. it is a beautiful part of this world. it may be different in other worlds but this one is great too.

so, i agree with you megan. my point is that the root chakra can get going again when the times is right or when you really want it to. i never meant that sex was bad. god no!

cheers! :)

[wintersun]

so what i should do, is fix my root chakra?

i mean, i really have a more then average sexual needs. but it's the very act that makes me feel like it's just not it. is this the root chakra issue?

i'm not feeling insecure, or scared or anything of the sort. and again, i repeat, i have a strong sexual drive and will. it's just that i don't feel it the way i should while doing it. i'm trying and doing my best, but i'm just too pasiive, compared to my girl. and it drives me nuts, cos i litherally can't feel anything. except for when i'm ejaculating.

thats why while doing it i get even more frustrated.. i actually only focus on making her happy. but still, it's really not honest from my side.

so, is this a root chakra problem?

[FooSnik]

so what i should do, is fix my root chakra?

i mean, i really have a more then average sexual needs. but it's the very act that makes me feel like it's just not it. is this the root chakra issue?

i'm trying and doing my best, but i'm just too pasiive, compared to my girl. and it drives me nuts, cos i litherally can't feel anything.
thats why while doing it i get even more frustrated.. i actually only focus on making her happy. but still, it's really not honest from my side.

so, is this a root chakra problem?

well, every person is unique and for me i am pretty sure that it was the chakra thing. it may be different for you. but seeing as you do have a healthy libido and sex drive then it would seem to be some kind of mental block of some sort.

i suppose it would take some more in depth analyzing but this is probably not the forum for that. maybe a good hypno-therapist could explore the reason for this block?

i can say that it was a process for me that began with the decision to change. after i made that decision then it was a period of time in which i went through the transformation.

that is kind of draw back of this realm. things tend to happen really sloooowly.

good luck, my friend.

[conundrum]

it is underlined in the book that this stuff doesn't work so good for loners i was derailed in the late 90's as that is pretty much what i was negative elite pray so to speak or a victim of my own ego maybe a combination of the two.

these books cut through mountains of misinformation and confusion in regards to what your ego is sexuality is ect and further back up steve greers work as well.. going down the path of reincarnation is counter productive as dw has stated on numerous occasions i had to do it the hard way and can verify this myself forgiving your self for one life time is difficult enough .

ingo swanns work will point you in a forward pointing direction to some thing new instead of wallowing in the mistakes and pains of the past which is counter productive that road leads to the path of woe.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/8601076/ingo-swann-penetration

http://www.scribd.com/doc/3080127/psychic-sexuality-the-biopsychic-anatomy-of-sexual-energies-by-ingo-swann

[aqcheryl]

let me throw something into the mix here.

sex is not base and meant only for procreation. its also a doorway.
sex is highly revered in many cultures, and long before christianity it was widely viewed openly without shame.

when you connect with the right person, and your joining is spiritual, you open each other to the universe.

pagan belief has long held that sex is a rite of passage - a passage to our higher selves... its a small form of ascension for that brief period of time. theres a movie that came out in 2001 called revelation that actually has a scene where it shows something like this.

higher dimensional beings still mate - they just do it differently. i cant help but think of demolition man... lol

take the physical out of it and its more a convergence of energies.

this perhaps can be why there are problems with the physical for you. another reason could be that although you are attracted to your mate, you have to elevate the way you see your joining before you can "get into it" so to speak. you might also not have reached a common ground spiritually together, and that too makes it difficult.

there are many underlying causes, it cant be pinned to one solution.

[Blacksunshine]

let me throw something into the mix here.

sex is not base and meant only for procreation. its also a doorway.
sex is highly revered in many cultures, and long before christianity it was widely viewed openly without shame.

when you connect with the right person, and your joining is spiritual, you open each other to the universe.

pagan belief has long held that sex is a rite of passage - a passage to our higher selves... its a small form of ascension for that brief period of time. theres a movie that came out in 2001 called revelation that actually has a scene where it shows something like this.

higher dimensional beings still mate - they just do it differently. i cant help but think of demolition man... lol

take the physical out of it and its more a convergence of energies.

this perhaps can be why there are problems with the physical for you. another reason could be that although you are attracted to your mate, you have to elevate the way you see your joining before you can "get into it" so to speak. you might also not have reached a common ground spiritually together, and that too makes it difficult.

there are many underlying causes, it cant be pinned to one solution.


to me, this resonates the most, and thank you for your honest and beautiful comments. for many many years, i have had a child and all, i never did understand the "big thing" with sex. to me, i just didn't "get" what everyone else saw in it. til i met my current partner and husband. i dont know if there are a lucky few, or if we all able to find this...but when i read the sexual parts of loo as well as threads like this, i do understand what it is like and that is absolutely possible for sex to be a doorway to things above our dimension, and tapping into the entire universe.

i've never belived that there is "only one person out there for us." i do however understand how you can easily become monogamous (sp, sorry that's a hard one) once you relize the power that putting two magnetic, spritual, and connected humans together.

my husband and i dont share sex as often as perhaps others do...but when we do, it's utter magic for both of us. it's my current relation that makes me realize what the big deal is...sex in our current socitey has been down played too much imo. sex has come almost to make it seem like it is a job that we are required to attend to in order to procreate and that is all, weather we like it or not, at that. it's sad that so many people dont ever get to experience the intensity that is really underlying the vibration that truly is love, giving and sharing your soul with another, in order to learn, love, grow and experience. the moment changes once you are open to this, i do belive that there are only specific partners that you will find in life that will have the same vibration in order to reach this "height" of are earthly experience. and when you do find that vibration, you will discover what it means, and why it's been practiced for so long as much much more then a simple act of procreation, and is infact...creation in its self.

[aqcheryl]

i've never belived that there is "only one person out there for us." i do however understand how you can easily become monogamous (sp, sorry that's a hard one) once you relize the power that putting two magnetic, spritual, and connected humans together.

i have come to the understanding that soul mates do exist, but just not for everyone. of course there are the soul mates where you are more like brothers, sisters, friends etc. but im referring to the ones that are meant to be your opposing half and do indeed follow you through incarnations.

you know how ive come to see it as its like twins. when there is the birth of a new soul in the universe - before incarnation. that it becomes split, in the process. and of course free will allows for personality differences so its not like your soul mate is your clone.

in one of my remembered past life, in fact the one that i have an intense feeling is my first incarnation, i indeed recollected seeing him. of course... he was sent to kill me... i didnt get as far as to see if he truly had... but i have had past readings from close spiritual friends that suggest we still have yet to truly find each other. probably cause he did kill me lol

sometimes i sense him in this life - i have no idea who he is, where he is, what he looks like, and when i meditate ive "seen" him, but i can never truly see him. but i do know hes my soulmate.

but i think just as with births on the physical plane, twins are not altogether a common occurrence. there are some born whole, and therefore perhaps are more free to choose in their selection? thats sounding like a buffet isnt it. lol

on another note, on the issue of soul creation. i have absolutely no proof to back this up, no research done outside what i have felt and come to know through guidance of the higher self, but i do want to know if anyone else has come to this understanding. i do know that the native americans believed we came from the stars, but i do not know if this is much the same as what im going to say... which is that we are the stars. the birth of a star is the birth of a soul. just more food for thought. :)



sex in our current socitey has been down played too much imo. sex has come almost to make it seem like it is a job that we are required to attend to in order to procreate and that is all, weather we like it or not, at that.


lately its been graduating to a sense of debauchery, where you are worth nothing if you dont have an active sexual lifestyle. you see society being inundated more and more with how to view sex, and they deliberately take out the purpose of it, and turn it into a purely physical and meaningless thing. meaningless beyond how many hits you take to the scoreboard.

so its sad also to see people succumb to that and not cherish each other the way it was and is meant to be.

[Blacksunshine]

i love your comments of the twins. ironically my husband and i are both gemini....so that stuck as ironic to me (i love irony)

you also brought a good point about current events. i stay so far away from main strem media that i forget what some people are actually promoting as a "healthy" sex life....working in numbers anymore it does seem, so that is a very good point. i have to respect that

i"m a utah girl....sex is an odd thing here....just becuase of the history and the teachings that utah can create to it's civilians....

i, however, a forever black sheep is a what can be very modest lil city ;) not to say there aren't alot of us...but we tend to be a bit outnumbered

[aqcheryl]

i love your comments of the twins. ironically my husband and i are both gemini....so that stuck as ironic to me (i love irony)

you also brought a good point about current events. i stay so far away from main strem media that i forget what some people are actually promoting as a "healthy" sex life....working in numbers anymore it does seem, so that is a very good point. i have to respect that

i"m a utah girl....sex is an odd thing here....just becuase of the history and the teachings that utah can create to it's civilians....

i, however, a forever black sheep is a what can be very modest lil city ;) not to say there aren't alot of us...but we tend to be a bit outnumbered

there are so many different factions trying to tell us how to think or see things. religion was the foremost in the past, and now its politics. ive noticed that the outer states like ca, ny, fl etc tend to be more political in their thinking - and when you get further inland, its more religious. so its like no matter where you went, youd be forced to think its either devalued, or immoral.

we need more black sheep! :)
im a black sheep hehe

[Blacksunshine]

another tid bit of irony, you hit right on the head.


perspective and placement sure do mean alot in this little world of ours. and if the past few posts dont summarize that right up, i dont know what will.

i actually laughed a little bit after reading you reponses and mine yesterday, only becuase of the irony of where we are located and what we are actually surrounded by.


i actually lived in orange county for a bit a few years ago...it drove me crazy, i found and felt that oc was more conservative then slc. and i always came back to, the reason i felt that there is becuase in slc utah, you have to "rebel" and "be different" in order to gain a ground, it does start at a young age...look at slc punk for crying out loud....so while a good portion of the population is conservative christian and very white sheep, when you find a black sheep, the tend to be quite extreme until they find their ground.

anyway, been a good thought thread!

[aqcheryl]

another tid bit of irony, you hit right on the head.


perspective and placement sure do mean alot in this little world of ours. and if the past few posts dont summarize that right up, i dont know what will.

i actually laughed a little bit after reading you reponses and mine yesterday, only becuase of the irony of where we are located and what we are actually surrounded by.


i actually lived in orange county for a bit a few years ago...it drove me crazy, i found and felt that oc was more conservative then slc. and i always came back to, the reason i felt that there is becuase in slc utah, you have to "rebel" and "be different" in order to gain a ground, it does start at a young age...look at slc punk for crying out loud....so while a good portion of the population is conservative christian and very white sheep, when you find a black sheep, the tend to be quite extreme until they find their ground.

anyway, been a good thought thread!

i love black sheep :)
i should have clarified though in my previous post its not just the coastal states that have more of a political thinking. it really can extend to major cities in any part. i was just using them as an example :)

[FooSnik]

lately its been graduating to a sense of debauchery, where you are worth nothing if you dont have an active sexual lifestyle. you see society being inundated more and more with how to view sex, and they deliberately take out the purpose of it, and turn it into a purely physical and meaningless thing. meaningless beyond how many hits you take to the scoreboard.

so its sad also to see people succumb to that and not cherish each other the way it was and is meant to be.

hasn't it always been viewed as debauchery. i mean, look at the hellfire club.

"eyes wide shut" was based on the hellfire club and it took place in the 18th century.

i guess that is the duality of this earth. some places it is debauchery and some places it is of the utmost spirituality.

[aqcheryl]

hasn't it always been viewed as debauchery. i mean, look at the hellfire club.

"eyes wide shut" was based on the hellfire club and it took place in the 18th century.

i guess that is the duality of this earth. some places it is debauchery and some places it is of the utmost spirituality.


not on the whole of society. and when you get past(working backwards) william of normandy taking over - and thus introducing the feudal system in 1066, you find for example the saxons valued their women enough that they could marry who they chose, hold high seats in council and warfare(boudica), or at least have strong voices in as much. they were respected high enough that they were not treated as they have been since.

so any debauchery going on back then would have been singular acts -not on a whole.

one might argue that middle eastern harems were a prime example of debauchery... but at the same time... women's lives were much the same as it is now...the woman had to be covered completely, they could only be with one man. and harems only belonged to the royalty - and so that is a singular act in of itself as well.

now of course there are exceptions to this - take the citizens of pompeii, and previous roman belief... much of their wall art depicted things like phallus's and various positions etc. theres also the kama sutra, however at the same time the kama sutra's intent supposedly is the spiritual focus on the higher union of the couple -not just base sex.

but going back to briton, which has led to much of the beliefs in the western societies... when william introduced feudalism, he basically devalued the position of a woman to mere cattle. it is purported to be that he loved his wife matilda very much - and yet he did not believe that women were capable of intelligent thought. go figure. this idea soon spread quickly - now whether he came up with this on his own, or influenced by a heavy church influence, it is unknown. anyways as this ideal spread, so did the viewing of women's sole purpose for procreation, and debauchery in the sense of social views really starts to take on.

[FooSnik]

not on the whole of society. and when you get past(working backwards) william of normandy taking over - and thus introducing the feudal system in 1066, you find for example the saxons valued their women enough that they could marry who they chose, hold high seats in council and warfare(boudica), or at least have strong voices in as much. they were respected high enough that they were not treated as they have been since.

so any debauchery going on back then would have been singular acts -not on a whole.



nice post.

and women can hold esteemed positions in office now. and they can choose who they want to marry now too. maybe the rampid materialism that was born with william of normandy is coming to an end? there is no question that our society did go spiraling down like a bunch of junkies that need more and more extreme forms of pleasure to get a fix. doritos... then a few years later it's extreme doritos... then a few years later it's extreme doritos with quadruple the flavor!!! but now spirituality is sweeping the nation from the organic foods grocery stores that is becoming common place to coast to coast becoming a top rated show.

how is an organic grocery store spiritual you say? because the health and happiness of the customers is becoming more and more important then the almighty symbol of materialism... the dollar.

here's for spiritual sex!!! hahaha

:d

[mmariebored]

one might argue that middle eastern harems were a prime example of debauchery... but at the same time... women's lives were much the same as it is now...the woman had to be covered completely, they could only be with one man. and harems only belonged to the royalty - and so that is a singular act in of itself as well.

harems only belonged to royalty because only royalty could afford all that "cattle". but even today there are many men married to more than one wife and they're treated much the same, not much has changed. i wonder if that barbaric mentality will ever change on this planet...

just as excessiveness can be expressed with food(as foosnik seems to enjoy pointing out, lol) it can also be true of mating with multiple partners. it's a sign that you haven't found what you're seeking and you have a deep feeling of incompleteness. i don't judge people for their over-indulgences, because i know where it stems from. life can be very painful and i don't think we ever truly feel 'complete' here. if we do get to that point, i wonder what the name for that state of being is in the loo terminology, something equivalent of buddha.

[aqcheryl]

maybe the rampid materialism that was born with william of normandy is coming to an end?

of course :) out with the old, in with the new hehe



harems only belonged to royalty because only royalty could afford all that "cattle". but even today there are many men married to more than one wife and they're treated much the same, not much has changed. i wonder if that barbaric mentality will ever change on this planet...

yes but when you compare the amount who hold that belief to the amount who dont, its more singular acts versus the group as a whole. but see, those men are 'service to self'. lol



just as excessiveness can be expressed with food(as foosnik seems to enjoy pointing out, lol) it can also be true of mating with multiple partners. it's a sign that you haven't found what you're seeking and you have a deep feeling of incompleteness. i don't judge people for their over-indulgences, because i know where it stems from.

i agree completely. people marry just to marry so that they can fulfill their god complex, rather than marrying the right person. so its no wonder that they end up having affairs, etc.

but when you see the ones who have lived together all their lives and never been with each other, its because they found their true match. but you have to go through a lot of wrongs to find the right, because sometimes right isnt meant to come into your life until you are spiritually ready.


if we do get to that point, i wonder what the name for that state of being is in the loo terminology, something equivalent of buddha.


the closest i get is 'connect with spirit' but thats not one word. i hope its not going to be 'loo' for short because "ive got to go to the loo" is a whole different path... lol

[Schaqq69]

i like aqcheryl believe that sex is something you connect with a person on a higher level.

i don't know what it is or how to properly explain it.

i am going to give it a shot. i have always felt sexualy driven. i choose to be here. with that choice i choose to take part in what is a connecting experience. with any partener i have had it is on a higher level.

for a moment i connect. i also keep my chakra's clear using the earths own gifts. i am attracted to places that have a strong lei (sp) line.

i am aware of the experience. it isn't always just about me as a woman, it is about him also. to help him achieve the hightened state that i so easily reach.

i don't have the worries of the taboo that others do. i enjoy my partner and i ensure that he enjoys me. i trained my body to react to his, like i can feel what his body is asking for.

it is not alien to me. it is natural and i know i have a gift for this bringing someone to their higher state of mind.

i can fit my body to his like clay does. it is like i have a body it just is a shell and during sex i am not in the shell i can be out of it.

i can have an obe with ease and had nde a few times. i can astral project out of my body and move freely and this came with my ability to enjoy sex.

i had it before sex and it was easy. sex gave me a way to connect to man. i feel like i am alien because i don't view sex as taboo. i view it as natural. i have a child and i still have sex for the feeling, the connection with my partner.

root chakra is the 1st chakra it is located at the base of the spine or groin area. links us to physical world, solidarity and support-especially to the physical body. it is the foundation of energy.

some signs the base chakra is out of balance are: restlessness, lack of energy, loss of interest in the real world or practical survival, obsession with one thing, and selfishness. these are just a few. not all.

the color for the root chakra is red. red symbolizes life, vitality and strength and the physical nature of man.

good stones to use to clear the chakra are: garnet, ruby, red jasper, bloodstone, rose quartz and coral.

i use rose quartz it comes with in my zodiac sign. i charge the stone with water and with the full moon. i place the stone on the chakra and meditate allowing the stone to cleanse the chakra and open it up. i find after a cleansing i am in a hightened state of sexual arousal.

i use many stones for their natural powers of cleansing the chakra's to calm my self.

i am very at ease with sex and often find my partner is not. i will sometimes use a stone with a mineral oil to give a massage that can break the wall so to speak.

[Makaveli512]

hey guys,
i just had a quick question regarding sex. i've heard many people say that orgasm reduces your chi, is there any truth to that? does orgasm release affect the torsion field or energy in you or around you?

[Schaqq69]

not from other sources that i have talked with.

it would interesting to get others input that works with the chi. i trust my friends and from thier explanation good chi gives you good stamina.

[mmariebored]

i am attracted to places that have a strong lei (sp) line.

can you expand on that, please?

[Ali Quadir]

harems only belonged to royalty because only royalty could afford all that "cattle". but even today there are many men married to more than one wife and they're treated much the same, not much has changed. i wonder if that barbaric mentality will ever change on this planet...
in my opinion the barbaric mentality lies in the belief that woman needs man to survive. which was made true by to the rules that came from this belief that women could own no property like land or cattle. if you take that as a given. and unfortunately it was. then polygamy in lands ravaged by wars and conflicts where there were less men than women was partly common sense. it was the only way women could avoid prostitution or a life of extreme poverty. and pretty much the only thing men could do to avoid a life like that for women he loved. including of course non sexual loves. or as a service to a dead friend whose wife mother or sister no longer had an "owner".

i'm not saying it was a good thing. it was a bloody mess. i'm saying it's impossible to judge people in other times and cultures from our standards.

as for the serial monogamy you see so much of these days. i think people are afraid to commit on a deeper level and are not required to by the modern luxuries. it does not have to be a bad lifestyle. it's part of our diversity, everyone is different.


life can be very painful and i don't think we ever truly feel 'complete' here. if we do get to that point, i wonder what the name for that state of being is in the loo terminology, something equivalent of buddha.

maybe it is just the inner understanding that we are part of something bigger. that no matter what happens to us our essence is so intertwined with all that is and certainly with the people around us that we see our personal immortality in this light.

i am part of the life force which happens to be identified with this persona called uncle ali :) every self image of me is mirrored in all of the hologram. how could a drop be lost? the individuality is just an illusion i won't mourn it's passing. even when bad things happen and i seem to get separated from the things i love, these things are still inside of me and will be recreated if i continue to believe in them. instead of seeing them as lost. which will only manifest painfull memories. perhaps they will remanifest in a different form. but certainly with the same satisfaction. especially if you allow yourself to accept the new.

this kind of understanding. that is guided less by rationality and more by an inner guidance, a remembering of who we are. this understanding is 4d awareness in a very subconscious manner. if i remember correctly the buddhist equivalent is "the clear light". but it is still fully functional. and it has the power to transform your world and awaken buddha nature. by remembering it. by becoming consciously aware.

our thoughts are completely saturating spacetime. we already are this bigger thing, we're not usually aware of it but it's still possible to see that it is true.

[mmariebored]

in my opinion the barbaric mentality lies in the belief that woman needs man to survive. which was made true by to the rules that came from this belief that women could own no property like land or cattle. if you take that as a given. and unfortunately it was. then polygamy in lands ravaged by wars and conflicts where there were less men than women was partly common sense. it was the only way women could avoid prostitution or a life of extreme poverty. and pretty much the only thing men could do to avoid a life like that for women he loved. including of course non sexual loves. or as a service to a dead friend whose wife mother or sister no longer had an "owner".

i'm not saying it was a good thing. it was a bloody mess. i'm saying it's impossible to judge people in other times and cultures from our standards.

as for the serial monogamy you see so much of these days. i think people are afraid to commit on a deeper level and are not required to by the modern luxuries. it does not have to be a bad lifestyle. it's part of our diversity, everyone is different.

thank you for that perspective.

you're right, it's 'barbaric' for a woman to believe that in today's society she 'needs' a man. though it is nature's way, to partner up.

[aqcheryl]

in my opinion the barbaric mentality lies in the belief that woman needs man to survive.

im thinking also its more barbaric for a woman to need a man for the wrong reasons(that includes solely for survival), rather than 'at all'. it also applies to a man needing a woman.. because they do it as well.

it needs to be for the right reasons. personally i dont think its purely for procreation that a man and a woman need to come together either.

i think david touched up on one of the core reasons in his earlier blogs - the issue is when it becomes codependency...

[Schaqq69]

can you expand on that, please?

ley lines are natural lines of energy that criss cross the earth. where they cross are considered places of great power.

stone henge is on such a site that these lines cross. machu pichu is another place known by many.

there are ley lines in the area where i live, like the river in my area. i can feel the natural power from the earth and i am drawn to it. it gives me a comfort and a good charge when i am feeling depleated.

i am sorry i misspelled the word in my original post.

[aqcheryl]

ley lines are natural lines of energy that criss cross the earth. where they cross are considered places of great power.

stone henge is on such a site that these lines cross. machu pichu is another place known by many.

there are ley lines in the area where i live, like the river in my area. i can feel the natural power from the earth and i am drawn to it. it gives me a comfort and a good charge when i am feeling depleated.

i am sorry i misspelled the word in my original post.

that must be a wonderful experience, and its a gift many of us have yet to come to. but since this thread is about sexuality.. ahem... lol one must wonder what kind of experience it is to experience joining at/in/on a ley line :d

[Schaqq69]

that must be a wonderful experience, and its a gift many of us have yet to come to. but since this thread is about sexuality.. ahem... lol one must wonder what kind of experience it is to experience joining at/in/on a ley line :d


i find when i connect on the lines it makes the experience more spiritualy related.

i can feel the emotions that i only heard of. i used to feel like sex was alien and was pointless. then my boyfriend and i connected on the side of the river. we found that our connection was past convience. it is more than phsycal. it is a spiritual connection and we have learned how to grow more together.

sex is something that he wasn't into like me until he met me. as he said i take that contact to the next step. he said it is amazing how just a passing gentle touch can feel like electric dancing across his skin.

when i lay down on the lines or stand on the lines it is like stepping into what my soul needs to charge. i can transfer that change to my partner.

eveyone thinks it is one persons job. it is both partners job. you both have to want it. you both have to have more than "because we are suppose to" attitude.

sex is not love, but sex does increases the feeling of love. at least this is my opinion.

[frenzy]

i mean, i really have a more then average sexual needs. but it's the very act that makes me feel like it's just not it. is this the root chakra issue?

were you raised in a fundamentalist christian home?

[frenzy]

i have tried to read all the posts in this thread, but it is just too much. i don't know if this has been mentioned, but is being celibate an aid to spirituality?

i know many people who prescribe to this theory...that denying the physical leads one to become more spiritual...much the same way fasting is to some.

so, then, is denying the body of things it wants and needs a doorway to becoming more spiritual?

opinions?

[12thUranus]

so, then, is denying the body of things it wants and needs a doorway to becoming more spiritual?

opinions?

as a definitive statement, i don't think denying/depriving is a doorway.

if your spirit is telling you not to have intercourse and do anyway, of course that's bad spiritually. it can work in reverse though. spirit tells us what it wants, imo, and that ranges.

i think that becoming more spiritual is just that. reducing reliance on reason helps, and in this way depriving the body can benefit. if the spirit is not asking you to, its a lose/lose endeavor, afaic.

[InBetweenPlace]

a few people on this thread have posted about the possible importance of celibacy to spiritual advancement. if that is what you are led to do, then it's right for you. but, if you're celibate because you think sex is bad for you, you may want to reconsider.

in case anyone is interested, the site where you can read the ra channelings online (www.lawofone.info) has a couple of pages where quotes from the ra material are gathered together about sexuality. i really found this helpful to explain stuff i didn't understand before.
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?category=sexual+energy+transfer

in addition, the law of one study guide on david's site goes into greater explanation as to what actually occurs during sex and how it can be very useful for spiritual advancement - if it is done properly (free will, of course, plus higher vibrations, compatible vibrations between partners, plus a "service to others" attitude).
http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/start-here/books-free-online/23-the-law-of-one-study-guide/124-law-of-one-study-guide-section-six

main page to the study guide, in case you're interested in more
http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/contact-us/privacy-policy/23?task=category&sectionid=6

i recommend reading the entire study guide. it doesn't take long to read each section, and it's full of great information.

after you read this, i'll bet you'll have more to post about!

:)

jc

[Babyblue]

hey!

but it really freaks me out cos i really want to feel it, and i really have a strong sex drive. i just can't find a way to "feel" it. i can express it, but the only person who is really enjoying it is my gf. i actually do it only becose of her, and most of the times i even lie to her that i was relaxed, when actually i was faking it.

i don't know if you have solved your situation yet, but i just had a thought that dancing may help you access that was of expressing your self physically as dance and sex are closely linked. dance alone and watch your self in the mirror, connect to your body here and now, don't feel embarrassed, do it naked if you feel comfortable. just let your self go and be free. i hope this helps a little.
much joy babyblue xxx

[Dihlon]

you know, i've just been experiencing the same thing. i don't think its wrong. i've come to a conclusion that what i really seek is a greater connection and union than just the act of sex can give me. i want to merge and energize rather than just "get off" which seems to be the goal in normal sexuality(as it is presented in the common culture). i sense, that as we reach for that higher expression in our natures, our true selves, we are beginning to experience a letting go of baser forms of physical expression. for me, the desire for the true meaning of sexual unity is beginning to emerge. reread the loo material around sexuality and you'll find some answers. don't judge yourself, just open up to what is trying to manifest in a spirit of gratitude and acceptance. frankly, i'm beginning to feel grateful for not being led around by these urges like i was before. its funny, i recently felt like i had to have more sexual experiences, like i was missing out on something. well, a sexual experience was made manifest and it wasn't what i thought it would be. it really isn't "all that" after all. blessed be!


ok, i've noticed that sex seems kinda alien to me... i've been with my girlfriend for almost 7 years now, but i just can't "feel" this sexuality so much. it's like i'm not relaxed enough, but more likely, i feel like its just not it at all!

i actually have a typical male urge for all that, but when it comes to actually do it, something just doesn't feel right! like this kind of love is totaly alien and unknown to me. but i really wish to sense it like i should.

whats wrong?

i actually have a friend who is a 4th density wanderer, and he really has no problems with that. maybe it's cos i'm 5th or 6th?? i understand that sexuality is quite different there. maybe that's why this seems so strange to me?

any ideas?

[onething]

so, then, is denying the body of things it wants and needs a doorway to becoming more spiritual?

i think not. the main positive of a celibate existence is to lead a meditative/prayerful life in which distractions are minimal. if you want to meditate a couple or several hours per day, having a spouse, children, and the need for constant work to maintain a family just doesn't lend itself to that.

there is the possibility that a person can sublimate (uplift) their energy by not using it for sex but instead for spirituality. but this requires great skill and i think few achieve it.

the hindus have the right idea on that. be a householder while you are young and the sex drive is strong, then, as you approach middle age, take upon yourself the life of a wandering seeker, beg for your food and go for it. the sex drive is extremely strong in youth and mostly leads to misery for trying to squelch it, and for women there is a bit more of the desire to have babies.

i do not think the denial of the body in any direct way leads to more spiritual success. that's just negativity. rather i think that what happens with silly humans is that when they see a "saint" they try to imitate the results of the sainthood as if that will bring on sainthood. so if a saint no longer feels urges in the nether regions, they think that suppressing their own desire for sex will help. but that is actually backwards. you must first become a saint and then afterward your desires will of course change.

as one author says, that's like if you want to be a vampire, sleeping by day and sharpening your canines won't do the trick. you've got to get bitten by a vampire, and then all the attributes will come.

sacred sexuality is a better road!

[Kris]

sacred sexuality is a better road!

perhaps it is better to be celibate than to just have sex for the sake of having sex which is more of an orange ray energy transfer and can cause blockages. however, if both people are vibrating in a green-ray sexuality, then the energy transfer and unconditional love the two share together with the one infinite creator can be a beautiful thing.

i read a great quote last night in carla’s book “living the law of one” which says:

in green-ray sexuality, the two are truly lovers. they love and accept each other for exactly who they are. as they become one physically, they automatically transfer to each other the energies each has to offer, thus balancing both lovers. in this energy exchange, both are fed, but neither lacks anything, for both have given from abundance. it is in green-ray sex that the term “making love”, becomes literally true.

[Psion 3-K]

i would like to offer some very general observations of the sex issue with mankind. i think the issue has to do with the way that mankind has disrupted its own unifying duality... i know, that may sound like a paradox, but i'll explain.

sex is supposed to represent the most powerful feeling of love shared between two but in order for this to become pure, you must respect the singular duality of the human sexual condition. it has been easily observed time and again that male and female represent forces that counterbalance each other. the female physical form represents empathy and the ability to process emotion very effectively. this is represented by the way the female figure physically appears; someone said that women are so beautiful but men are usually just plain ugly. there is a reason for this...

the physical manifestation of each sex represents what that sex embodies. men are logical thinkers, capable of feats of strength and practical focus as is represented by its physical form. this takes away from the 'ability' to be beautiful because their mentality and what they represent requires bigger muscles along with a form that to many can easily be seen as ugly. women, on the other hand, are easily much more attractive because they represent the conditions of nurture. likewise, this takes away from their physical ability.

it is said that we incarnate as that which we desire to embody but male/female is a universal aspect of life. you must choose one or the other so that the physical form you choose will foster what you attempt to experience, if you are female, you probably wanted to learn the ways of being emotionally sensitive whereas if you chose to be male, you wanted to learn what it is to be strong and practical. in this duality is maintained a perfect sense of balance. but mankind has always had a problem with balance, hasn't it?

so many gender relations go afoul because people do not realize what they represent as male or female. furthermore, each side of the gender line is meant to keep within them minor aspects of their opposite. this can be experienced in major form through the power of the sexual experience, though. in this way, the duality becomes singularity and you feel truly what it means to be one with both aspects of male and female. of course, no one is required to find a mate and have the sexual experience. even on an individual level a person can learn to nurture both aspects of their soul. depending if you are male or female, however, you will be spending more energy focusing on the aspects of the sex you chose. the one that you are not will be minor yet still integral to knowing the truth of sex choice and what it means for your experience.

i believe the reason for so much sexual unrest is because people do not recognize the singular-duality paradox. men become too one sided in the aspects of being male while women likewise do the same. thus relationships breakdown spectacularly because the man is being too insensitive whereas the woman is being oversensitive... i could go into much more detail about this but just flip to the first major tv network during the 8-10 o' clock prime time hours to see what i mean. it is all over our society, the way people get into dysfunctional relationships bud oddly, glorify the entire process. that's how tabloids make their money, because people feed off of that vibration of utter drama. the problem is that this is not conducive to soul growth. so in the same way nations war with each other, so do male and female. conflict has permeated almost all aspects of humanity.

surprisingly enough, we are still here though. that's why we are going to make it, i believe. we just have to be prepared to consider the fact that we have been wrong all along, a thing which is obvious and few people deny... however you go about evolving does not matter, whether it be through the study of the loo and the loa or not, it's all the same. soul growing advancement is what it is; there are no 'brand name restrictions' on it...

ps: you ever notice how sexuality is a combination of the words 'duality' and 'sex'?... just an interesting observation.

[DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr]

my thoughts exactly.



ps: you ever notice how sexuality is a combination of the words 'duality' and 'sex'?... just an interesting observation.

good one i never noticed that. makes perfect sense. :d

[onething]

perhaps it is better to be celibate than to just have sex for the sake of having sex which is more of an orange ray energy transfer and can cause blockages. however, if both people are vibrating in a green-ray sexuality, then the energy transfer and unconditional love the two share together with the one infinite creator can be a beautiful thing.

this seems to be saying that unless you are already in 4d or nearly so, that sex is bad and creates blockages. i don't think orange ray (3d) sexuality is bad if there's no oppression involved.

[Nemu]

i don't know if this has been mentioned, but is being celibate an aid to spirituality?
i know many people who prescribe to this theory...that denying the physical leads one to become more spiritual...much the same way fasting is to some.

so, then, is denying the body of things it wants and needs a doorway to becoming more spiritual?

opinions?

check out marnia robinson's thoughts on this.
http://www.realitysandwich.com/finding_peace_between_our_sheets

she mostly refers to the physical effects of celibacy, but i think it's good food for thought on this topic. i have been experimenting with this, and find that indeed - the sexual experience seems to be physically heightened after two weeks or more of no orgasm. i think perhaps the intensified physical effects of celibacy might also help heighten the spiritual?

[Kris]

this seems to be saying that unless you are already in 4d or nearly so, that sex is bad and creates blockages. i don't think orange ray (3d) sexuality is bad if there's no oppression involved.

no, i didn't mean it to sound that way at all. i was thinking more in terms of couples that love each other and the wonderful energy transfers that can occur if you are both vibrating in 3d green ray or higher. i don't believe that red or orange ray sex has very much, if any, spiritual value. i didn't mean to imply that sex creates blockages.

personally, i don't feel that any consensual sex is "bad", i was simply trying to say that the more sacred the sex the higher the energy transfer and spiritual value it has.

[FooSnik]

my brother told me when i was younger that, "having sex when you are in love is sooo much better than just ordinary sex." maybe that is what kris is talking about.

and when it comes to blockages in sex. i think it clears blockages if anything. like in the case of my other brother. he was kind of a pain in the butt until he met his wife and started getting some. now he is so much more laid back and more easy to be around. i think it cleared some blockages for him. :)

i think sex has everything to do with intention. it can be a good thing or turn into a bad thing if you are exhibiting sex-addict tendencies like tiger woods. but between two balanced people it can be uplifting, fulfilling, gratifying and satisfying.

i think a major problem with the world is the restraints put on sex through religion. these poor politicians running our country just plain don't get enough. lol unless you believe in the "eyes wide shut" deal is real. but that would only be for the elite anyway not the law makers.

this may open another whole can of worms but a new book just came out that people might find interesting. it is called [please pm for title] and it proves, imo, that humans aren't naturally meant to be monogamous. unless, of course, you choose to be so because we have free will.


the point of [title]—and my point in drawing your attention to it—isn't that monogamy is unnatural and therefore no one should attempt it and that people have license to break the monogamous commitments they made to their partners. and for the record: i'm happy to acknowledge that there are lots of good reasons to be monogamous or very nearly monogamous.

what the authors of [title] believe—what they prove—is that we are a naturally non-monogamous species, despite what we've been told for millennia by preachers and for centuries by scientists, and that is why so many people have such a hard time being and remaining monogamous. i'm not saying that everyone everywhere has to be non-monogamous; the authors of [title] don't make that argument either. (lots of monogamists, however, run around insisting that everyone everywhere should be monogamous—and the monogamists get a pass because, hey, they mean so well and wouldn't it be nice if everyone were?)

the point is that people—particularly those who value monogamy—need to understand why being monogamous is so much harder than they've been led to believe. in some cases this understanding may help people find the courage to seek out non-monogamous relationships and/or arrangements and/or allowances that make them—gasp!—happier and make their relationships more stable, not less, as a routine infidelity won't doom their marriage/domesticpartnership/commitment/slavecontract/whatever. but understanding that monogamy is a struggle for most people, and being able to be honest with our partners about it, may actually help some people remain monogamous.

[please pm for url]

i'm open for discussion.

[12thUranus]

i think not. the main positive of a celibate existence is to lead a meditative/prayerful life in which distractions are minimal. if you want to meditate a couple or several hours per day, having a spouse, children, and the need for constant work to maintain a family just doesn't lend itself to that.

there is the possibility that a person can sublimate (uplift) their energy by not using it for sex but instead for spirituality. but this requires great skill and i think few achieve it.

the hindus have the right idea on that. be a householder while you are young and the sex drive is strong, then, as you approach middle age, take upon yourself the life of a wandering seeker, beg for your food and go for it. the sex drive is extremely strong in youth and mostly leads to misery for trying to squelch it, and for women there is a bit more of the desire to have babies.

i do not think the denial of the body in any direct way leads to more spiritual success. that's just negativity. rather i think that what happens with silly humans is that when they see a "saint" they try to imitate the results of the sainthood as if that will bring on sainthood. so if a saint no longer feels urges in the nether regions, they think that suppressing their own desire for sex will help. but that is actually backwards. you must first become a saint and then afterward your desires will of course change.

as one author says, that's like if you want to be a vampire, sleeping by day and sharpening your canines won't do the trick. you've got to get bitten by a vampire, and then all the attributes will come.

sacred sexuality is a better road!

i agree 100%.

[12thUranus]

sex is supposed to represent the most powerful feeling of love shared between two but in order for this to become pure, you must respect the singular duality of the human sexual condition

i don't believe this. the most powerful expression of love is sacrifice/forgiveness.


the biggest problem with sex is egocentricity. this can be abated on our own, and it is wise to choose a partner who agrees.

[charmedocfan1]

all of what you guys are saying sounds really intuitive and has alot of insight to it, but i want to know what ur thoughts on what the growing number of gays, lesbiens, bisexuals, and transexuals means for this duality or just sprituallity in general and what it might mean in terms of the shift.

[frenzy]

thank you, one thing, for that post. it confirms what i also feel.

[onething]

i will be pming you, foo, for that book title/url because it's something i think about. i see evidence that we are a marrying species, and a somewhat monogamous species, but not quite. apparently even some of the monogamous species cheat. not sure about wolves.

at the same time there is a strong spiritual element to fidelity. people who are able to lead their lives where they hold themselves to ideals that they really care about, seem to withstand temptation.

it does often surprise me the amount of emotion people invest when their partners cheat. i mean, if you just forgive them easily i guess they will keep doing it but it seems crazy to break up a family over it.

despite what i said above about spirituality of fidelity, i envision a future existence, let's say in 4d maybe, in which there are group marriages or something of the kind, rather than flawless monogamy.

despite what you say about open relationships being sometimes more stable, i have not seen that being the case. it causes a tremendous amount of wear and tear.

that's why i puzzle over it. there doesn't seem to be an easy answer.

[onething]

charmedocfan1,

i wonder if the numbers are growing, or if it is just more visible? people are now acting out transgender things that they could not before. at the same time, i think certain groups are exaggerating the numbers.

it seems to me that homosexuals do the duality thing a little differently. as to what it means for spirituality, i am afraid to generalize. a drawback for them might be a tendency to be a bit self absorbed and too much focus on sex. on the other hand, newton said that few of his homosexual clients were beginner souls, in other words, being homosexual is a tough assignment (or at least it used to be). it could sometimes be involving issues of changing gender after several lifetimes of being the opposite. he says most souls have a gender preference that they stick to about 75% of the time, and as they get more advanced, it equals out.

i have no idea whether homosexuals are more interested or less interested than others in spirituality.

[FooSnik]

all of what you guys are saying sounds really intuitive and has alot of insight to it, but i want to know what ur thoughts on what the growing number of gays, lesbiens, bisexuals, and transexuals means for this duality or just sprituallity in general and what it might mean in terms of the shift.

i think gays, lesbians and bisexuals have always been there but they have been afraid to come out and be themselves. and with the coming shift people are beginning to accept them as people regardless of sexual orientation.

it's not that there is more of them. just that they aren't afraid to come out of the closet and be exactly who they are.

to me that is a beautiful thing and a huge step in the right direction.

[FooSnik]

i will be pming you, foo, for that book title/url because it's something i think about. i see evidence that we are a marrying species, and a somewhat monogamous species, but not quite. apparently even some of the monogamous species cheat. not sure about wolves.

at the same time there is a strong spiritual element to fidelity. people who are able to lead their lives where they hold themselves to ideals that they really care about, seem to withstand temptation.

it does often surprise me the amount of emotion people invest when their partners cheat. i mean, if you just forgive them easily i guess they will keep doing it but it seems crazy to break up a family over it.

despite what i said above about spirituality of fidelity, i envision a future existence, let's say in 4d maybe, in which there are group marriages or something of the kind, rather than flawless monogamy.

despite what you say about open relationships being sometimes more stable, i have not seen that being the case. it causes a tremendous amount of wear and tear.

that's why i puzzle over it. there doesn't seem to be an easy answer.

well an open relationship is not for the insecure, for sure. and i am not saying that is the answer to everything. we have free will. we can do whatever we want. be monogamous or not be.

but i have always felt it very hard to stay in a relationship for more than 3 years. for me, the most i grow as a person and human being is from an intense, intimate, passionate relationship with another person (in my case women). and once that growth slows, and i have grown all i can in the relationship i start looking for the next passionate relationship to grow, learn, and change. that is an honest description of how life has been for me so far.

and, tell me if you think i am wrong, i think this is the way it is, naturally, for all of us. i look at the human experience more as a fluid docey doe dance. where we grab hands and go one from the other learning growing and experiencing.

i do not see life stuck holding on as tight as you can in one static place or relationship.

i think that it is the insecurities inside of us that want to hold on to our partners and not say goodbye even when we know the time is right. i don't like goodbyes either. i cry and cry when it is time to say goodbye to someone i loved dearly. but the next one will be even better because you will take all that growth into an even more exciting relationship. you can't ever, imo, lose your sense of adventure. it is better to have loved and lost then never to have loved at all.

and i know you all are thinking, "what about the kids?" i would go so far as to say that over half of the country's families get broken up. some of the most grounded, balanced kids i know have come from broken families in which the parents are still balanced and pay attention to their kids. and some of the most screwed up kids i know have come from families that stayed together, for the kids, even though they were both miserable. and taught their kids to be miserable as well.

what do you think?

[billybobbutterball]

taking off from something onething touched on.

some years ago i saw a video of a two-timing sort of female lizard thing.

in the colony the caves suitable for breeding were grandfathered by the inhabitants....and they
had the pick of the most desirable would-be mother lizards... but the kicker is this....the female
deceives her new husband. seems he is just a means to an end. what she is interested in is getting impregnated by the most stunning example of a super-lizard she can entice...when the landlord isn't looking this sleazy wench slips out of sight around the entrance and gets knocked up by this genetic marvel of a male...

the irony of this story is that her "husband" never catches on...he dutifully helps raise the youngsters as if they were his own flesh and scales... so that is how the survival of the fittest is assured in this strange little part of the animal kingdom....

end of tail.

and you might ask "just how do i know this?" well, it all came out when i met dolores cannon and she put me in an age regression tran......xxxxxxxxxx nope. can't keep a straight face :d:p sorry, couldn't help myself..but i did see it on some nature program. honest injun! billious aka bbb

[FooSnik]

taking off from something onething touched on.

some years ago i saw a video of a two-timing sort of female lizard thing.

in the colony the caves suitable for breeding were grandfathered by the inhabitants....and they
had the pick of the most desirable would-be mother lizards... but the kicker is this....the female
deceives her new husband. seems he is just a means to an end. what she is interested in is getting impregnated by the most stunning example of a super-lizard she can entice...when the landlord isn't looking this sleazy wench slips out of sight around the entrance and gets knocked up by this genetic marvel of a male...

the irony of this story is that her "husband" never catches on...he dutifully helps raise the youngsters as if they were his own flesh and scales... so that is how the survival of the fittest is assured in this strange little part of the animal kingdom....

end of tail.

and you might ask "just how do i know this?" well, it all came out when i met dolores cannon and she put me in an age regression tran......xxxxxxxxxx nope. can't keep a straight face :d:p sorry, couldn't help myself..but i did see it on some nature program. honest injun! billious aka bbb

lol... good story bbb. but i never said to lie or cheat your partner. that would be bad. just be open and honest about how you truly feel.

[FooSnik]

here is one more bit of info i have a burning desire to share. i am not naming any names or leaving any links. you can pm me if you want to know where it comes from:


he explains that before the advent of agriculture, monogamy simply wasn’t in the best interest of the individual or the community. in pre-scientific hunter-gatherer society, children were seen as much more communal– the connection between sex and birth had not yet been made. once agriculture was in the picture, domesticated animals began to illustrate the link between sex and birth– and with that came the significance of propety and ownership. only then did humans both know where babies were coming from, and have the incentive to know whose babies belonged to who. in order for each individual to know which children he should leave his land to, he must know which children were his– and thus, he must control who the women were sleeping with. and so, with the possession of land came the possession of female sexuality. as ryan puts it:


that’s when this hunger to control female sexuality really entered human behavior. before, when property is shared, and property wasn’t really even an important concept in pre-agricultural society, why would you care who a woman’s having sex with?

[onething]

well i am married and my husband seems to think he should be faithful, but i don't in fact hold him to that. my ethic is that i don't use force or intimidation, and he is free to be faithful of his own accord if he sees fit. as for me, once in a while i might like the idea of a fling, since i don't have a strong belief in monogamy, but i won't do it because i know it would hurt him, which i would not dream of doing.

[12thUranus]

wait. what! okay, all my posts on this thread are from the standpoint of monogamy.

whatever that quote was, foosnik, was gibberish. it's total conjecture on the author's part. how many women does the author find consented back then :rolleyes:?

i was born monogamous. at least in the sense that i've never strayed from a relationship. it's in me and has nothing to do with society or possessions. i know, looking back, that many children had the mind that they were having fun and not taking any relationship seriously. i was never like that. as an adult, i met my spouse whose view was the very same.

we are who we are, based on sooooo many variables.

[billybobbutterball]

all of what you guys are saying sounds really intuitive and has alot of insight to it, but i want to know what ur thoughts on what the growing number of gays, lesbiens, bisexuals, and transexuals means for this duality or just sprituallity in general and what it might mean in terms of the shift.

from what i have read all senior souls have a track record of mixed incarnations of male and female by choice. there are legitimate 'lessons' to be uncovered in all sexual expressions...and in in fact, in every experience in the cosmos whatsoever. that is so, but it is not an excuse to try and reap the wild wind ....everything has its consequences. some of which i don't want!

this time on earth is marked by the intrusion of chemicals in the environment that is causing tremendous physiological changes in our meat-suit bodies -- which not only raising biological turmoil in mankind but animals from bugs to whales. (bugs for sure, but whales...?) anyway, frogs with dual sex organs, fish can't reproduce...children coming into puberty years before they should.

the vast ocean of plastics that surround us contain chemicals which in simulating estrogen, play havoc with our bodies and minds....sometimes unequally to create the phenomenon of trans-gender.

now the above is woefully short and inadequate. and i apologize for over simplifying -- but it will have to do. i assume that since time has begun there has always been confusion in sexual roles, but the chemical addition to our environment has been like throwing gasoline onto smoldering embers. i now have a niece who was once my nephew. she makes the point that
she is essentially trans-sexual....a woman trapped in the wrong body. i love her, she does good deeds, fixed my computer, teaches handicaped individulas how to ski and is a talented artist....etc. now in years past she might have stayed in the closet...but with the temper of the times she and millions of others are going public. i don't think it has all that much to do with what
we think of as the coming "shift".

as far as spirituality goes love trumps hate...its not the mere sexual orientation that counts but rather the quality of the being...i have no problem with that whatsoever.

just a part of the larger whole...sorry

luv...aaaa, that is, a friendly, very firm shake of the hand :o bbb

[12thUranus]

well an open relationship is not for the insecure, for sure. and i am not saying that is the answer to everything. we have free will. we can do whatever we want. be monogamous or not be.

but i have always felt it very hard to stay in a relationship for more than 3 years. for me, the most i grow as a person and human being is from an intense, intimate, passionate relationship with another person (in my case women). and once that growth slows, and i have grown all i can in the relationship i start looking for the next passionate relationship to grow, learn, and change. that is an honest description of how life has been for me so far.

and, tell me if you think i am wrong, i think this is the way it is, naturally, for all of us. i look at the human experience more as a fluid docey doe dance. where we grab hands and go one from the other learning growing and experiencing.

i do not see life stuck holding on as tight as you can in one static place or relationship.

i think that it is the insecurities inside of us that want to hold on to our partners and not say goodbye even when we know the time is right. i don't like goodbyes either. i cry and cry when it is time to say goodbye to someone i loved dearly. but the next one will be even better because you will take all that growth into an even more exciting relationship. you can't ever, imo, lose your sense of adventure. it is better to have loved and lost then never to have loved at all.

and i know you all are thinking, "what about the kids?" i would go so far as to say that over half of the country's families get broken up. some of the most grounded, balanced kids i know have come from broken families in which the parents are still balanced and pay attention to their kids. and some of the most screwed up kids i know have come from families that stayed together, for the kids, even though they were both miserable. and taught their kids to be miserable as well.

what do you think?

this is very disturbing to me, foosnik

yes, we should be whoever we want.
static?! absolutely not! we monogamous ones grow and change and move along our paths very much.
insecurities? not so much. and that statement can be flipped if you'd like. what kind of fear keeps one from accepting the adventure of commitment? it's an unfair assessment.

as for the kids, your statement is full of irony. i came from a multiple broken familiy (4x) and i am the most grounded and balanced of four siblings. why? not cause anyone paid attention to me, in fact my siblings would contend i received the least. oh no, i am grounded because i stood up for myself and said "enough of this bs", i will show these fools it can be done. but make no mistake, i and each of my siblings are very very very scarred and screwed up in the head because of the idiocy of our parents. i just can't imagine anyone deliberately denying their children stability.

(whew. okay, rant over. for anyone reading this and applying it to loo/dc standards, i'll concede why my spirit chose this route. the troubles that i went through turned me into a committed husband and loving father. there is nothing better, to me. we were foster parents for a couple years (and damn good at it too :) ), and we look for the day we will do it again (when kids grow up enough). i love my mom as a person, but she was a horrible mother. but thats life.)

[FooSnik]

wait. what! okay, all my posts on this thread are from the standpoint of monogamy.

whatever that quote was, foosnik, was gibberish. it's total conjecture on the author's part. how many women does the author find consented back then :rolleyes:?

i was born monogamous. at least in the sense that i've never strayed from a relationship. it's in me and has nothing to do with society or possessions. i know, looking back, that many children had the mind that they were having fun and not taking any relationship seriously. i was never like that. as an adult, i met my spouse whose view was the very same.

we are who we are, based on sooooo many variables.

ok, ok... relax for a minute. i am not saying cheat or lie because that is hurtful and i have never done that to any of my past partners. in fact i am still very close to all of them. but, and i am being painfully honest here, every time i get into a serious relationship in which i think this could be my life partner, i start a new job or something, and along comes a new woman that i wonder what it would be like to have an intimate relationship with. curiosity kills the cat maybe? and i know, 12thuranus, i know that i am not alone in this and that you have had a similar feeling. you, like me, made the choice to not act on that curiosity and stay faithful to the one you were with. be honest now.


well i am married and my husband seems to think he should be faithful, but i don't in fact hold him to that. my ethic is that i don't use force or intimidation, and he is free to be faithful of his own accord if he sees fit. as for me, once in a while i might like the idea of a fling, since i don't have a strong belief in monogamy, but i won't do it because i know it would hurt him, which i would not dream of doing.

this is what i am talking about. thank you for your honesty onething. i have never done anything to hurt anyone either. but i think it is only natural to want to have a fling from time to time.


now in years past she might have stayed in the closet...but with the temper of the times she and millions of others are going public. i don't think it has all that much to do with what
we think of as the coming "shift".


why do you think "the temper of the times" has nothing to do with the coming shift? doesn't the coming shift have to do with darkness coming to light? seems like it to me.


this is very disturbing to me, foosnik

yes, we should be whoever we want.
static?! absolutely not! we monogamous ones grow and change and move along our paths very much.
insecurities? not so much. and that statement can be flipped if you'd like. what kind of fear keeps one from accepting the adventure of commitment? it's an unfair assessment

hmmm... yes of course. you are right. as i said, we have free will and there are infinite ways to live the human experience. i am not saying i am absolutely right. i would be foolish to think that way. all i am saying is that when i read that book, that we aren't naturally monogamous, intuitively it rang bells and made sense to me. that is not to say that there is not many positive things to be had from a monogamous relationship. like one special person to share your life with. like christopher mccandless wrote, from the book [pm for title], "happiness only real when shared." it can get very lonely always bouncing around from partner to partner. and maybe practicing a non-monogamous or open relationship isn't even practical for our modern age. time will tell.


as for the kids, your statement is full of irony. i came from a multiple broken familiy (4x) and i am the most grounded and balanced of four siblings. why? not cause anyone paid attention to me, in fact my siblings would contend i received the least. oh no, i am grounded because i stood up for myself and said "enough of this bs", i will show these fools it can be done. but make no mistake, i and each of my siblings are very very very scarred and screwed up in the head because of the idiocy of our parents. i just can't imagine anyone deliberately denying their children stability.

well for some double irony. i am the youngest of four from a really crazy broken home. i had a lot of sorting out to do because my home life had my head so scrambled up as to what "normal" is. i could tell you so many stories about my life.

but my parents were really messed up. they were not balanced at all. and i am willing to bet that your parents were too. my original point was not if the family is broken or not. i think it matter less if the family is broken or not and it matters much more how grounded and balance the parents are, nuclear family or not.

[FooSnik]

one more thing 12th:

maybe, i am coming from the wrong angle. maybe when you came through for your incarnation your intended focus was not to be on experiencing many different relationships with women. but your intention was to be monogamous with one woman and your focus was to be on other things like your work, kids and family. your intention as a soul was to do some sort of work or provide some sort of function.

oh well, i am probably over thinking it. :rolleyes:

[12thUranus]

one more thing 12th:

maybe, i am coming from the wrong angle. maybe when you came through for your incarnation your intended focus was not to be on experiencing many different relationships with women. but your intention was to be monogamous with one woman and your focus was to be on other things like your work, kids and family. your intention as a soul was to do some sort of work or provide some sort of function.

oh well, i am probably over thinking it.

not over thinking. sounds about right.

yes, i see em and look ;), but i had all that when i was young. looking is all i do now. the thought of acting is exhausting and, honestly, not tempting in the least. i know where it all ends, and i ain't going anywhere near that.

i don't fault or judge. i will discriminate and avoid :d

[charmedocfan1]

thank you for all the feed back. i think u r on to something onething i think it has something to do with the souls preference as well. that a soul who has been male in the past couple lives and then incarnates as a female there might be a sense of familiarity with being attracted to females and vise versa with men and in some this familiarity maybe stronger sort of like muscle memory but with the soul so like a spectrum of levels ranging from a guy in touch with his feminine side to a guy who's bisexual to a gay guy to a trans gender depending on how often their soul was in the opposite genders body form and how much the soul remembers. this is just me thinking out loud.

[onething]

one the other hand i should probably clarify that i have never really been tempted to cheat on anyone and haven't even dated two people at the same time. when i ponder these things i see just problems. for this reason i very rarely tell people such a shocking thing as "i don't have a strong belief in monogamy." monogamy has probably as many problems, too.

i just think nearly all possessiveness and jealousy stems from personal fear and insecurity. it may be understandable enough, since we have to live here in this idiotic reality, but it does not conduce to higher bliss.

not that longevity of a relationship has anything to do with it. i've never become bored.

[frenzy]

as a definitive statement, i don't think denying/depriving is a doorway.

if your spirit is telling you not to have intercourse and do anyway, of course that's bad spiritually. it can work in reverse though. spirit tells us what it wants, imo, and that ranges.

i think that becoming more spiritual is just that. reducing reliance on reason helps, and in this way depriving the body can benefit. if the spirit is not asking you to, its a lose/lose endeavor, afaic.

thank you for this. it makes perfect sense.

[Babyblue]

i do not think monogamy is the "normal" or "natural" way to live. i see it as a sign of sperm wars, a term used to describe the male animal instinct to have his sperm dominate over others. there fore , women should have one partner, preferably stay a virgin till marriage so a man knows the baby is his for sure. men can have multiple women and not get judged as harshly as women for it. yet, i believe its the male energy which guides monogamy and the female energy wants openness naturally. i say this as in the days of the feminine flame ruling the earth, goddess worship , women had many fathers to their children and many partners, in a matriarchal society often the family unit becomes much larger , communal and not so father based. in the patriarchal society men are in charge and want to know who their children are so they dont want their women having multiple partners. what it really comes down to is that i think.

but now a days , with birth control , its not such a big problrem. i am in an open marriage by the way , but i'm with my partner for life, we are life path walkers. but we agreed that if there ever came a time to let the other go , we would. that has not happened. we just learn and grow together. in a free and open enviroment. i , as the woman, demanded freedom for myself at the very beginning of the relationship as i knew within it was natural for me (been together for 15 years). i wouldn't settle for less. i wouldnt be with a man who tried to clip my wings in any way and i wouldnt be a partner who would wish to clip anothers wings. i expect what i give to be returned. i give unconditional love. free love.

that's whats best for me. truth and openess , love babyblue xxx

[stacey08]

i have always been monogamous, and to me sex is a very personal thing. two bodies and souls coming together to express love for each other and opening your energies to each other. i just couldnt imagine sharing that with someone i just met or even someone i know casually. not to mention taking their energy home with me, along with all the other people they've been with recently. if you are in a relationship, and sleeping with other people, then what is the point of the relationship? are you then just friends having sex on occasion, and on occasion having sex with other people? i can only speak for myself but isnt the whole point of committment saying, "yes i choose you", and sticking to it? to me a relationship is an opportunity for growth, so could it be said you are robbing yourself the chance for growth when you do what you want, when you want, with whom ever you want because it satisfies a need? when i'm not in a relationship i just dont have sex. i have now been single for 2 yrs., and am in no rush to find someone. my feeling is i will meet someone again when i am supposed to. maybe thats too much information lol, but there it is!
stacey

[mwr1026]

i just spent the past few minutes quickly scanning this thread, and didn't see much about balancing the chakras. i might have missed it in the quick scan, but ra makes numerous comments on the need for the chakras to come into balance. there is no specific formula for this, but rather it is like music: there are countless combinations of the notes in an octave that make harmonious chords, so there is no rigid paradigm for how to achieve harmony or balance. but ra states in several places that the violet ray is only expressed when all the other rays are balanced. this would suggest to me that an aversion to, or disinterest in sexuality might indicate a significant imbalance or blockage. this would be different from seasons of abstinence for a specific purpose. ra also mentioned on many occasions, that the instrument gained much life force vitality for the readings from sexual activity.

it is important that we not develop a mindset that belittles the lower chakras and their manifestations. they are not to be suppressed or gotten past. they remain essential as the higher chakras are activated. it is often a misguided vestige of medieval asceticism to deny the body to gain the spirit.

[FooSnik]

i think possessiveness stems from insecurity. jealousy stems from a lack of self-worth.

both of these issues come up when we think about our significant others being in love with another.

we can't we be in love with many people at once?

there is one thing that i am always sure of. i am not always sure that a passionate love affair with another woman will last forever. in fact i am pretty sure that it will not. but i am sure that the love the we shared will always be unique and special.

it is the possessiveness that i feel is at the heart of many people's monogamous relationships. devotion is a beautiful thing. and i am still completely devoted to all the women i have been blessed to share an intimate relationship with. but possessiveness, imo, is unhealthy.

but it is only natural for people to feel intense admiration many people and, if you're lucky, eventually all people. and it could be seen as a crime to only reserve intensely, passionate, intimate love for only one "special" person. what makes other people any less special than another?

like here is an example: i was put in the impossible position of having to choose between two women, a while back. and i couldn't do it because in my heart i couldn't see how one was somehow more worthy of my love then the other. sounds kind of crazy, but this is truly how i felt. they are both beautiful people, just different.

i don't know. maybe this quote by albert einstein will make my point of view more clear:


a human being is a part of a whole, called by us "universe", a part limited in time and space. he experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest ... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. this delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.

[12thUranus]

foo,

i think its a far stretch to say einstein was speaking about the pressing together of
( xxxxxxx ) "body parts", which quite literally is what sex is. (sorry mods) :d (no problem 12th )

again, i say too each his own, but there are a couple things that i question.

are the two women you see able to be in the same room together, happily? if not, then "love" isn't the result of the relations.

i think everyone has their limits... that you could shove under the heading of possessiveness. do you allow the leeway with your mother, sister, daughter? would you be okay with your lover going with your father, brother, son, best friend, mother, sister, daughter?

[FooSnik]

foo,

i think its a far stretch to say einstein was speaking about the pressing together of
( xxxxxxx ) "body parts", which quite literally is what sex is. (sorry mods) :d (no problem 12th )

again, i say too each his own, but there are a couple things that i question.

are the two women you see able to be in the same room together, happily? if not, then "love" isn't the result of the relations.

i think everyone has their limits... that you could shove under the heading of possessiveness. do you allow the leeway with your mother, sister, daughter? would you be okay with your lover going with your father, brother, son, best friend, mother, sister, daughter?

well... why not??

[Babyblue]

there is a wonderful character in one of the star trek spin offs, maybe deep space nine?
anyway, this doctor comes from a planet where everyone has totally open marriages, his wife has 4 husbands. in one episode the husband number 2 meets with doctor and they are totally brotherly and civil and jovially talking about the beauty of their shared wife. i find this character totally wonderful and he is very unjudgemental and peaceful. thumbs up to star trek for showing us the many ways we can express our oneness.
one partner is perfect for some, 0 partners for another. and multi partners would be perfect for someone else. as long as oneness , love and growth is strived for i cant see it matters which route you take.
celebacy, open love, one to one. all are perfect and needed for growth.
love babyblue xxx

[Babyblue]

to me a relationship is an opportunity for growth, so could it be said you are robbing yourself the chance for growth when you do what you want, when you want, with whom ever you want because it satisfies a need?
stacey

true, but an open relationship isn't always about that, and its not just about sex, its about being free to love, to connect, to heal. free to chose what to do by choice alone, not because a rule told you to. or society dictated it.
i am in an open relationship as i suffer from sexual dysfunction actually, not because i'm a nymph having free sex willy nilly.
i have struggled for years to regain my sexual self, as my sexual self was exploited and controlled by others when i was very young.
free love is my way of undoing the feeling of male control and manipulation. my healing.
it's not about need, its about medicine for my soul. i need to forgive and let go.
and when i wasn't able to make love i wanted my partner to have the option of finding release else where, as for a man in his prime, going without sex for months on end can be very difficult. my husband loved me so much that he didn't want to go else where, but i wanted to give him the freedom to choose and so we discussed it. i loved him so much i didn't want him to miss out when i was going through my bad patches. no one i know has a relationship so close or so honest. we treat each other like best friends and humans ultimately. total honesty and respect. no manipulations.
babyblue xxx

[seeking]

so i've only ever told a couple people what i'm going to share here, so any insight or advice would be greatly appreciated! here goes...

i have also had a lifetime battle with sexuality and where i feel it should fit into my existence, but i feel i'm on the other end of the spectrum than the original poster. i guess you could say i'm a nymphomaniac, but not in the promiscuous sense of the word. i don't sleep around or have one night stands, it's mostly a kind of addiction to self-pleasure. ever since i was old enough to have sexual feelings, this is has been something i've never been able to control. there have been stretches here and there where i've managed to abstain for a month or so, but most the time i can't go more than a day or so without doing it.

the part where it gets really frustrating is when i think of it in terms of my spirituality. a little backstory... i grew up in a pretty catholic family, threw all those beliefs out the window about 5 years ago, then spent a year or two as a sort of reject-everything-remotely-spiritual atheist. over the past couple of years though, starting with a 10-day vipassana course, my own personal brand of spirituality has really started to blossom. this search is what led me to david's work, which has resonated with me so much. so back to the self-pleasure thing... i feel like it is this giant hurdle, keeping me from truly realizing myself. i feel a live a pretty spiritual life, but something (my higher self, maybe?) inside is telling me that if i can just get past this barrier, life will be more amazing than i could have ever hoped. i don't smoke or do drugs and rarely drink, but for some reason i just have never been able to kick the sexual addiction. in terms of the loo data, i feel that self-pleasure is about as sts as you can get, so i'd really like to focus that energy somewhere else.

so my question to all of you is what kind of connection is there between sexual energy and spiritual energy? and are there any methods of meditation, etc that can divert this sexual energy towards spirituality or creativity? i'm a musician and rarely feel creative or write new songs, and (once again) something inside me is telling me it's because i'm wasting all this energy on sexual fantasy/expression. i've seen a few things here and there about transmuting sexual energy, but i wanted to see what you all thought. i guess more than anything i'm wondering if there's anybody out there who has had any similar life experience and has been able to work past it. i know deep down that this cycle of addiction is keeping me stuck in a stagnant place, i just don't know how to kick it. thoughts? if you have any websites/books to recommend, please pm me. thanks!

blessings to you all

[mwr1026]

@seeking: i thought about making this a private response, but the issues are common to many of us, so i did not.

to quote eckhart tolle, what you resist persists. sexual energy is spiritual energy of the red & orange ray variety. it is not to be suppressed or belittled. my impression is that you have not completely let go of your catholic baggage. where else might you have gotten this judgement of yourself??? the key to freedom and balance is to accept, allow, and embrace the very thing that troubles you. if you are obsessed with overcoming it, it has work still to do. be grateful for that, and lunge head first into the work. spiritual work is never about struggle and resistance. those are the territory of the ego, which knows nothing of spiritual growth. the ego castigates and belittles and bullies you because it has figured out the formula and you are not adhering to it well enough. but this is deception. ego only understands rules and performance standards, and cannot take you beyond such things. spirit is the place of the accepting observer within you. it will take you to the ends of the universe, but will not be governed by rules. in the hands of your internal observer, you will find rest, freedom, and creativity. but you must not allow the ego to sit on your shoulder and keep score.

[Mikazo]

does anyone feel like they actually find satisfactory answers to their questions about sexuality? i don't wish to sound pessimistic, but i am tempted to quote bertrand russell when he was talking about an unrelated matter, that "nobody knows what he is talking about in this area, and it doesn't matter to anyone if he is right or wrong."

for instance, what if you have sexual interests in fringe areas, such as, perhaps you have fetishes and whatnot? or maybe you are intensely attracted to someone or something that would never exist in real life. how do you deal with fantasy? who do you talk to about that to get any clarity? i find people generally don't want to talk about these kinds of issues.

are so-called transmutation exercises really effective or necessary, and would it make much difference if anyone did them? or is this just something people with sexual problems and avoidance issues are likely to try to further run away from that part of themselves?

how do you tell the difference between sexual addiction and a simple interest in exploring this part of you? how do you know if your "exploring" is out of control? does anyone really know?

these are a few questions that have crossed my mind growing up and even today i don't know if there are satisfactory answers to them.

[Karen Rusk]

carla ruekert (sorry if i mis-spell) has some interesting things to say about sexuality in her first book about the law of one (not the channeled material but her more recent book, i think it's called living the law of one 101, the choice). she does not get into details about preferences or "fringe areas." but i do feel that she would say, as long as what you do is from a place of complete and utter love, for yourself and every human you encounter, then your sexuality is a gift from the creator and you should enjoy it fully.

perhaps your questions are, as you suggest, not the kinds that have answers, at least not while we're in human form. my approach is to enjoy what is available to me, whether with another body or in my own imagination, and go from there. which is to say, i enjoy the trip.

part of my ideal world is the expression of every part of ourself in a way that honors all that we are. when every human on the planet does this our experiences will be off the (current) charts :)

with love,
karen

[12thUranus]

@ karen
i agree.


@seeking
i would only say that it is your feelings of guilt that need be addressed first and foremost. if abstaining physically is the route that will eliminate guilt, i encourage trying, but i am not able to say that is the correct choice for you. i only say that guilt is an unnecessary burden that hinders fullness of spirit. to that, i believe your spirit is desiring your release of the burden, whatever its source. my reply is not much, only to bring awareness to where the true destructive force is. as i've learned, stay open and be aware of the "box" you've built, take down a wall or two.


love and blessings,
12th

[mwr1026]

mikazo,
i would refer you to my response above to seeking. both of you seem to be consumed with taboo. i would agree with karen and 12th here. where do we get the idea that sexuality is toxic? there is no logic for this. abuse of free will is toxic, and if one imposes their sexuality on another, against their will, this is toxic. but sexuality itself is not. if you think you are having too much, or too little, or "the wrong kind", it cannot mean that there is something wrong. it can only mean that you have catalyst to work through. working through catalyst is why we are in 3rd density. in the case of "the wrong kind" the catalyst is almost surely about the taboo rather than about the sexual activity itself.
and by the way, not all are in confusion about sexuality. and not all who wander are lost.

[Dihlon]

true, but an open relationship isn't always about that, and its not just about sex, its about being free to love, to connect, to heal. free to chose what to do by choice alone, not because a rule told you to. or society dictated it.
i am in an open relationship as i suffer from sexual dysfunction actually, not because i'm a nymph having free sex willy nilly.
i have struggled for years to regain my sexual self, as my sexual self was exploited and controlled by others when i was very young.
free love is my way of undoing the feeling of male control and manipulation. my healing.
it's not about need, its about medicine for my soul. i need to forgive and let go.
and when i wasn't able to make love i wanted my partner to have the option of finding release else where, as for a man in his prime, going without sex for months on end can be very difficult. my husband loved me so much that he didn't want to go else where, but i wanted to give him the freedom to choose and so we discussed it. i loved him so much i didn't want him to miss out when i was going through my bad patches. no one i know has a relationship so close or so honest. we treat each other like best friends and humans ultimately. total honesty and respect. no manipulations.
babyblue xxx


that's a very evolved attitude toward relating. i too have had to reclaim my sexuality and know where you are coming from. i share many of these same perspectives on being in a relationship. i'm very non-traditional and seem to shy away from those types of relationships. its okay for others, but, for me they are too confining and lack understanding. i sense your on the right track and i applaud you.

[Dihlon]

so i've only ever told a couple people what i'm going to share here, so any insight or advice would be greatly appreciated! here goes...

i have also had a lifetime battle with sexuality and where i feel it should fit into my existence, but i feel i'm on the other end of the spectrum than the original poster. i guess you could say i'm a nymphomaniac, but not in the promiscuous sense of the word. i don't sleep around or have one night stands, it's mostly a kind of addiction to self-pleasure. ever since i was old enough to have sexual feelings, this is has been something i've never been able to control. there have been stretches here and there where i've managed to abstain for a month or so, but most the time i can't go more than a day or so without doing it.

the part where it gets really frustrating is when i think of it in terms of my spirituality. a little backstory... i grew up in a pretty catholic family, threw all those beliefs out the window about 5 years ago, then spent a year or two as a sort of reject-everything-remotely-spiritual atheist. over the past couple of years though, starting with a 10-day vipassana course, my own personal brand of spirituality has really started to blossom. this search is what led me to david's work, which has resonated with me so much. so back to the self-pleasure thing... i feel like it is this giant hurdle, keeping me from truly realizing myself. i feel a live a pretty spiritual life, but something (my higher self, maybe?) inside is telling me that if i can just get past this barrier, life will be more amazing than i could have ever hoped. i don't smoke or do drugs and rarely drink, but for some reason i just have never been able to kick the sexual addiction. in terms of the loo data, i feel that self-pleasure is about as sts as you can get, so i'd really like to focus that energy somewhere else.

so my question to all of you is what kind of connection is there between sexual energy and spiritual energy? and are there any methods of meditation, etc that can divert this sexual energy towards spirituality or creativity? i'm a musician and rarely feel creative or write new songs, and (once again) something inside me is telling me it's because i'm wasting all this energy on sexual fantasy/expression. i've seen a few things here and there about transmuting sexual energy, but i wanted to see what you all thought. i guess more than anything i'm wondering if there's anybody out there who has had any similar life experience and has been able to work past it. i know deep down that this cycle of addiction is keeping me stuck in a stagnant place, i just don't know how to kick it. thoughts? if you have any websites/books to recommend, please pm me. thanks!

blessings to you all

i feel that deep within you the judeo-christian ethic still has a hold on you. that flesh is somehow not spiritual. if you consider the science that also is david's work, you will come to the conclusion that the flesh is spirit vibrating at a different frequency. sexuality is also a path to spirit. consider sacred sexuality and tantric exercise. self-pleasure can be used to calm the body before meditation. experiencing orgasm is considered by many cultures as a glimpse into being at one with god. the needs of the body will not be denied. if your sexual needs are more urgent than others, honor it, fulfill it and then move on. if you are only being with yourself when you do, then where is the harm? many of us have come from the ranks of the last religious paradigm of this age, namely, christianity and the myth of original sin. we have lived many lifetimes over the last age immersed in this philosophy of war with the flesh. be at peace with yourself and have compassion for who you are. love yourself as you "love" yourself and remove any guilt that would rob you of your own unique nature. blessed be!

[mwr1026]

i feel that deep within you the judeo-christian ethic still has a hold on you. that flesh is somehow not spiritual. if you consider the science that also is david's work, you will come to the conclusion that the flesh is spirit vibrating at a different frequency. sexuality is also a path to spirit. consider sacred sexuality and tantric exercise. self-pleasure can be used to calm the body before meditation. experiencing orgasm is considered by many cultures as a glimpse into being at one with god. the needs of the body will not be denied. if your sexual needs are more urgent than others, honor it, fulfill it and then move on. if you are only being with yourself when you do, then where is the harm? many of us have come from the ranks of the last religious paradigm of this age, namely, christianity and the myth of original sin. we have lived many lifetimes over the last age immersed in this philosophy of war with the flesh. be at peace with yourself and have compassion for who you are. love yourself as you "love" yourself and remove any guilt that would rob you of your own unique nature. blessed be!
what a wonderful response! you simply could not have said it better.

[12thUranus]

i feel that deep within you the judeo-christian ethic still has a hold on you. that flesh is somehow not spiritual. if you consider the science that also is david's work, you will come to the conclusion that the flesh is spirit vibrating at a different frequency. sexuality is also a path to spirit. consider sacred sexuality and tantric exercise. self-pleasure can be used to calm the body before meditation. experiencing orgasm is considered by many cultures as a glimpse into being at one with god. the needs of the body will not be denied. if your sexual needs are more urgent than others, honor it, fulfill it and then move on. if you are only being with yourself when you do, then where is the harm? many of us have come from the ranks of the last religious paradigm of this age, namely, christianity and the myth of original sin. we have lived many lifetimes over the last age immersed in this philosophy of war with the flesh. be at peace with yourself and have compassion for who you are. love yourself as you "love" yourself and remove any guilt that would rob you of your own unique nature. blessed be!

my immediate response is to disagree that religion is the cause, but i'm going to take a step back and ask for clarity.

are you saying that a religious upbringing instills the mindset (direct)? or are you saying that the social makeup created by a predominance of religious beliefs has formed us subconsciously (indirect)?

the reason i ask is because the "direct" accusation is false imo. i was not raised in church, and it is entirely in my makeup of being to be faithful to one person. (i know fidelity wasn't part of your post, but the idea is still relevant to my question)

love and blessings,

[mwr1026]

my immediate response is to disagree that religion is the cause, but i'm going to take a step back and ask for clarity.

are you saying that a religious upbringing instills the mindset (direct)? or are you saying that the social makeup created by a predominance of religious beliefs has formed us subconsciously (indirect)?

the reason i ask is because the "direct" accusation is false imo. i was not raised in church, and it is entirely in my makeup of being to be faithful to one person. (i know fidelity wasn't part of your post, but the idea is still relevant to my question)

love and blessings,
12th, your question was not directed at me, and i too am curious how it will be answered. however, having grown up and spent half my adult life as a southern baptist, i can assure you that this is both direct and indirect. it may or may not be true of religion generally, but christianity of the fundamentalist varieties, both protestant and catholic, does very definitely place direct coercive pressure here.
and the indirect follows as a matter of course.
if you have not experienced this in person, i can see how you might find it hard to believe.

[mwr1026]

...when we were aided by sixth-density entities during our own third-density experiences we, being less bellicose in the extreme, found this teaching to be of help. in our naiveté in third-density we had not developed the interrelationships of your barter or money system and power. we were, in fact, a more philosophical third-density planet than your own and our choices of polarity were much more centered about the, shall we say, understanding of sexual energy transfers and the appropriate relationships between self and other-self.this quote is from session 60 of the law of one. as always, ra's words are dense and packed with complexity, but this quote should dispel any notion that sexuality is base or detrimental in its nature. i would love to get a crack at living on such a planet. no money, little bellicosity, and spiritual growth through the exploration of sexuality. what's not to like!?!?!?

[12thUranus]

12th, your question was not directed at me, and i too am curious how it will be answered. however, having grown up and spent half my adult life as a southern baptist, i can assure you that this is both direct and indirect. it may or may not be true of religion generally, but christianity of the fundamentalist varieties, both protestant and catholic, does very definitely place direct coercive pressure here.
and the indirect follows as a matter of course.
if you have not experienced this in person, i can see how you might find it hard to believe.

yes, i do believe it.

hmmm. what i mean to say is that i have a bit of it. it is in me, yet was never drilled into me. to me, this indicates something beyond, and is not a quick-fix excuse. i just want to acknowledge that there is an "inside" force here, and blaming an "outside" force should be done with caution. in this way, it's my opinion that looking deeper inside will reveal more enlightenment to the individual. of course, i'm not turning a blind eye to the outside forces either.

defining the indirect subjugation can be very complicated and difficult to prove, but it'd make me feel better if we were presenting a complex societal consciousness issue :o

[onething]

12th uranus, it is difficult to believe that you have not been at least influenced by society, but fidelity may come naturally to you and it may be a soul decision you have made before incarnating.

seeking, it is not correct that self-pleasure is service to self. you have every right to love yourself as you love others. service to self would be if you serve only yourself and are never inclined to be generous with others, and also if you use others to your own ends.

[mwr1026]

yes, i do believe it.

hmmm. what i mean to say is that i have a bit of it. it is in me, yet was never drilled into me. to me, this indicates something beyond, and is not a quick-fix excuse. i just want to acknowledge that there is an "inside" force here, and blaming an "outside" force should be done with caution. in this way, it's my opinion that looking deeper inside will reveal more enlightenment to the individual. of course, i'm not turning a blind eye to the outside forces either.

defining the indirect subjugation can be very complicated and difficult to prove, but it'd make me feel better if we were presenting a complex societal consciousness issue :o
now i see your point. i think the indirect is very big. considering the ways in which every aspect of western society have been shaped and influenced by christendom over the past 1000 years, and how thoroughly steeped in it our laws and our media are, i think it would be very difficult to sort out just what is direct and what is not. even those parts of society that do not conform to the judeo-christian ethic (prostitution, gambling, most forms of nightlife entertainment, hollywood, etc., etc.) are defined negatively by it and subjugate themselves to the defining.

[FooSnik]

@babyblue

i vibe with what you have said the most.


does anyone feel like they actually find satisfactory answers to their questions about sexuality? i don't wish to sound pessimistic, but i am tempted to quote bertrand russell when he was talking about an unrelated matter, that "nobody knows what he is talking about in this area, and it doesn't matter to anyone if he is right or wrong."

for instance, what if you have sexual interests in fringe areas, such as, perhaps you have fetishes and whatnot? or maybe you are intensely attracted to someone or something that would never exist in real life. how do you deal with fantasy? who do you talk to about that to get any clarity? i find people generally don't want to talk about these kinds of issues.

what is wrong with fetishes? for such an advanced student as yourself, mikazo, frankly i am surprised you would think there is anything wrong with a fetish or a taboo.

if you like the girl... try to get her. simple as that. rejection is a bitch. i'm not gonna lie. but dealing with rejection or a broken heart could fill another whole thread so i am not going to go there.


are so-called transmutation exercises really effective or necessary, and would it make much difference if anyone did them? or is this just something people with sexual problems and avoidance issues are likely to try to further run away from that part of themselves?


i have no idea what you are talking about here. do explain.


how do you tell the difference between sexual addiction and a simple interest in exploring this part of you? how do you know if your "exploring" is out of control? does anyone really know?


my good friend is a sex addict and he explains it this way. he still has a lot of sex... a lot. lol but he says it is only bad or negative when he lies or takes advantage of someone somehow to achieve that release that he seems to need so desperately. when sex is controlling you instead of you controlling sex (controlling yourself) then you have an addiction. and that goes for anything, food, alcohol, drugs... etc.


these are a few questions that have crossed my mind growing up and even today i don't know if there are satisfactory answers to them.

you may simply be thinking too much, bro. just do it. :)


@12thuranus

so, 12th, lets explore this a bit. i am not trying to push your buttons. i am just curious about this.

why does it scare you so much if your wife goes behind locked doors with another man? worst case scenario: she has amazing sex with another man.

why does that make you feel so upset? jealous? why can't she make love with others? why can't you make love with others?

i am not saying that i don't have the same instinctual emotions. but i don't like those emotions when they come up and i choose not to have them. it is like the old saying goes, "if you love someone, set them free. if they come back to you then they are truly yours." this is how i view relationships. sexually as well.

for my final thought:

dolphins make love for fun so we can too! :p hehe

[12thUranus]

@12thuranus

so, 12th, lets explore this a bit. i am not trying to push your buttons. i am just curious about this.

why does it scare you so much if your wife goes behind locked doors with another man? worst case scenario: she has amazing sex with another man.

why does that make you feel so upset? jealous? why can't she make love with others? why can't you make love with others?

i am not saying that i don't have the same instinctual emotions. but i don't like those emotions when they come up and i choose not to have them. it is like the old saying goes, "if you love someone, set them free. if they come back to you then they are truly yours." this is how i view relationships. sexually as well.


well, you know you did push some buttons. no harm done.

i've literally contemplated this for an hour now. i have come up with many many many many many answers to state my case. i could not compose a way to express the majority, as they would not translate well via print. i want to avoid my opinions about the act of sex, and focus on the connection it creates. so, my following answer may appear simplified, which it may be, but not because my thinking is simple.

the best answer i can write that will come across well has an astrological analogy, using the 2nd house- 8th house. these are a mirror of one another, the unity mirroring the individuality.

we all have our own individual stamp of what our self-worth is. this is completely personal and unique to us as an individual entity. this house is made up of personal talents, personal skills, personal possessions, "what you have" as an individual. this all boils down to self-worth.

when we merge our self-worth with another entity's own self-worth, we create a bond. this bond becomes a completely new definition, a self-worth + self-worth = joint bond. this is the reflection of personal self-worth as it meets and sees itself in another entity's self-worth. "we don't know who we are until we see ourselves through someone else's eyes." (the partnership is formed in the seventh house, then the bond is achieved in the eighth house. i digress)

this new joint bond is pure and is of all mind/body/spirit. it is entirely unique and created together for the selfs involved. what this means is my wife would be in complete violation of trust according to the pure bond we created together. now, to take this to the other extreme: a porn star creates a completely pure bond with her employer and the parameters are set forth as such, with violations defined only by them. likewise, an open marriage, or any other unique bond that entities create with one another are all pure and recognized as conscious manifestations of what the entities desire to create.

sidenote: entities that enter a bond without realization of their self-worth(what they bring to the table) have a high chance of violating the bond out of ignorance.
my wife and i each had a very high percentage of knowing our own self-worth before we entered our bond, and the rest we help each other out with. you know what i mean?

i hope you like my answer. i am quite satisfied. i surprised myself a little. :)

love and blessings,

[12thUranus]

lol!!!!!!!


worst case scenario: she has amazing sex with another man.

i just realized the logic in what you've said here. first of all, how is that the worst case scenario? hahahaha. or are you admitting that it is in fact a negative scenario? ;)

and second, why does it have to be amazing? (can you tell i'm laughing hysterically?)



ps. i'm little sad no one has commented on my last post (he said, still smiling)

[FooSnik]

i apologize for leaving you hanging, 12th. i lost computer access for a while and now i have only spuratic comp access.



when we merge our self-worth with another entity's own self-worth, we create a bond. this bond becomes a completely new definition, a self-worth + self-worth = joint bond. this is the reflection of personal self-worth as it meets and sees itself in another entity's self-worth. "we don't know who we are until we see ourselves through someone else's eyes." (the partnership is formed in the seventh house, then the bond is achieved in the eighth house. i digress)

but why can't you share this bond with more people than just with each other? what is it inside of you telling you that this is somehow wrong? that you most only share this intimate bond with only one other person?

also to examine attachments. like when the buddha says that once you experience oneness, similar to the loo, that we lose our sense of attachments because we realize we are always at one with everything. and i am guessing, correct me if i'm wrong, that your possesiveness of your wife's sex life is due to an attachment to her.

consider this:


what is attachment?
in order for there to be attachment, you need two things -- the attacher, and the thing to which the attacher is attached. in other words, "attachment" requires self-reference, and it requires seeing the object of attachment as separate from oneself.

the buddha taught that seeing oneself and everything else this way is a delusion. further, it is a delusion that is the deepest cause of our unhappiness. it is because we mistakenly see ourselves as separate from everything else that we "attach."

zen teacher john daido loori said,

"[a]ccording to the buddhist point of view, nonattachment is exactly the opposite of separation. you need two things in order to have attachment: the thing you’re attaching to, and the person who’s attaching. in nonattachment, on the other hand, there’s unity. there’s unity because there’s nothing to attach to. if you have unified with the whole universe, there’s nothing outside of you, so the notion of attachment becomes absurd. who will attach to what?"

because we think we have intrinsic existence within our skin, and what's outside our skin is "everything else," that we go through life grabbing for one thing after another to make us feel safe, or to make us happy.

http://buddhism.about.com/od/basicbuddhistteachings/a/attachment.htm



i hope you like my answer. i am quite satisfied. i surprised myself a little. :)

love and blessings,

yes i do like your answer. for the simple fact that it sounds like a genuine and honest representation of how you truly feel.


lol!!!!!!!


i just realized the logic in what you've said here. first of all, how is that the worst case scenario? hahahaha. or are you admitting that it is in fact a negative scenario? ;)

and second, why does it have to be amazing? (can you tell i'm laughing hysterically?)



ps. i'm little sad no one has commented on my last post (he said, still smiling)

no the purpose of me saying that was to try to get at the heart of your insecurities. to bring about a deeper debate.

[12thUranus]

but why can't you share this bond with more people than just with each other? what is it inside of you telling you that this is somehow wrong? that you most only share this intimate bond with only one other person?

i'm not saying one can't or shouldn't create multiple sexual bonds. i am certain that i do not want to. it is not the world i personally want to create, and neither is it my partner's. perhaps you don't fully understand my explanation of the bond (nobody's fault). we are free to create our world, and ours is full of love. you cannot deny that multiple partners adds many facets and waves into one's life, and i am not looking to add any more facets. i love it this way.


also to examine attachments. like when the buddha says that once you experience oneness, similar to the loo, that we lose our sense of attachments because we realize we are always at one with everything. and i am guessing, correct me if i'm wrong, that your possesiveness of your wife's sex life is due to an attachment to her.

i fully acknowledge the need and the difficulty of releasing any and all attachments. in all fairness, the scenario that i wrote and then you brought up was pulled from a different thread (anger & fear) http://divinecosmos.com/forums/showpost.php?p=57484&postcount=13 . in that thread, i was using a hypothetical to explain my perspective on comparing/contrasting anger and fear. while it is true that i believe my initial reaction would most probably be violent, i would not go so far to say i am possessive due to attachment. as a person striving, i believe i would come to a place of acceptance, and who knows if it would take 6 hours or 6 years. the violent reaction is my own admittance that i am not perfect, and i do believe i could work it out. again, if it came to that, i would be in a position to redefine my bond with my wife one way or another. i do believe that if i exhibited an "attachment" it would be self destructive, but that is not what i have. my created world would change, but the attachment issue is an internal one. i do know that all things change, regenerate anew, and holding on to something that is-not is delusional. i have the ability to detach and make a sound choice for a new phase in life. i am not without stumbling though.


no the purpose of me saying that was to try to get at the heart of your insecurities. to bring about a deeper debate.
:) and here is where the two threads, anger&fear and sexuality, meld together. i think anger&fear was started to take a deeper look.

[FooSnik]

:) and here is where the two threads, anger&fear and sexuality, meld together. i think anger&fear was started to take a deeper look.

you may be right because i think the heart of possesiveness and jealousy has nothing to do with sex.

if your wife did have amazing sex with another man i think the negative emotions would not be caused by the act of sex, the negative emotions would be caused from the fear of losing your wife's love and attention that she has devoted solely to you and you alone.

it would be from the fear of losing your wife and being alone for she may fall in love with someone else.

i think the remedy to this fear is to focus on finding this love from inside of ourselves, loving ourselves, and having an intimate bond/relationship with the "great spirit", the "all there is", god, or whatever you want to call it.

if your source of love comes from god (which is inside of us) then it is completely sustainable and your peace of mind is not subject to the ebb and flow of the material world.

by focusing on myself and my journey then i am free to fall in love but i am not afraid to lose the love of a woman if need be. also, i would feel selfish to want my significant other to only be free to love and be loved by me and only me. for if i really love someone then i want to empower her to find the most exquisite love possible in a lifetime.

what do you think? :)

[12thUranus]

sex between two entities is not unequivocally a positive expression. there are individuals who seek multiple partners, and they believe they are in control, deceiving themselves of their addiction to being possessed. there are those who are actually in control and possessive. did the thought come to mind that stopping the act would be rescuing one from entering a disharmonious energy transfer?



if your wife did have amazing sex with another man i think the negative emotions would not be caused by the act of sex, the negative emotions would be caused from the fear of losing your wife's love and attention that she has devoted solely to you and you alone.
as i've pointed out, the act would already be a loss per our created bond. we could take it deeper and call it the fear that all we had created was a mistake, or it could be the fear that no bond is sacred. i digress. that is an anger&fear discussion.


if your source of love comes from god (which is inside of us) then it is completely sustainable and your peace of mind is not subject to the ebb and flow of the material world.

by focusing on myself and my journey then i am free to fall in love but i am not afraid to lose the love of a woman if need be. also, i would feel selfish to want my significant other to only be free to love and be loved by me and only me. for if i really love someone then i want to empower her to find the most exquisite love possible in a lifetime.

i would only add that thinking we have the ability to control anyone is an illusion. if you think you are, you are not, and you are only deceiving yourself. for crying out loud, i don't think i even control my self very well :o. not that i feel i am supposed to.

acceptance is key.

love and blessings,

[Natho]

if your source of love comes from god (which is inside of us) then it is completely sustainable and your peace of mind is not subject to the ebb and flow of the material world.

by focusing on myself and my journey then i am free to fall in love but i am not afraid to lose the love of a woman if need be. also, i would feel selfish to want my significant other to only be free to love and be loved by me and only me. for if i really love someone then i want to empower her to find the most exquisite love possible in a lifetime.

what do you think? :)

well said my friend :)
i would love to see this on a world scale, as it always should have been.

[FooSnik]

i would only add that thinking we have the ability to control anyone is an illusion. if you think you are, you are not, and you are only deceiving yourself. for crying out loud, i don't think i even control my self very well. not that i feel i am supposed to.

acceptance is key.

love and blessings,

absolutely. i think we are both saying the same thing here. i can only control myself and how i feel when certain situations arise. you can not control another person, their feelings, or their journey/destiny. we must find peace in that or we will drive ourselves insane.

we can empower others to embolden themselves to follow their heart's desires. and, in turn, we are empowering ourselves as well.


well said my friend :)
i would love to see this on a world scale, as it always should have been.

thank you. :) me too. t'would be a very different world.

[12thUranus]

we can empower others to embolden themselves to follow their heart's desires. and, in turn, we are empowering ourselves as well.
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there still feels a tinge of condemnation in this statement. perhaps a hint of disregard for my heart's desire.

we must also love others' journeys for what they are, and have faith that right here and now is a full expression of oneness.

love and blessings,

[Natho]

i believe you are both correct in your previouse statements, though may have lost each other in the context presented.

12th is correct - combining self worth to form the 'joint worth' or bond is a beautiful thing and one that is rarely 'fully' shared, perhaps not rare, but we would agree that this degree is uncommon to achieve but provides amazing results.

foo is correct - with the ideal of free love and sharing it equal umong the masses, where i quote his text in the above post and agree.

12th is basing his regards 'within' a bond creating the joint bond with mutual contempt. foo is basing one 'without' the bond, thus free love with a mutual understanding. so i feel you are both right within your bounds.

as for foo and the empowering others thus empowering thyself, it may need to be placed in a different context as i can see how 12th finds the negative aspect within this line as i do.




we can empower others to embolden themselves to follow their heart's desires. and, in turn, we are empowering ourselves as well.

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yes, we can do this, but know this. to give 'unconditionally' to others is they key concept of the positive attitude/position, without the expectation of return.
how does this sound in its place;

"we offer the knowledge of our experience for others to find enlightenment within themselves".

i do understand what you mean foo. would i be correct in relating with this phrase;

"when someone is feeling down, you may wish to converse with them in order to help solve the issue. the issue may be resolved and happiness may be found within this person who will offer thanks for the service. this in turn will also make you feel happy for having offered the service when the outcome was unexpected".

[FooSnik]

12th is basing his regards 'within' a bond creating the joint bond with mutual contempt. foo is basing one 'without' the bond, thus free love with a mutual understanding. so i feel you are both right within your bounds.


ok i have given it some thought 12th.

i may be compensating for a turbulent start to my life in which i needed to become the eye of a hurricane. i learned and felt with a great measure of intensity the shifting tides of life and love. and with my light and extrememly sensitive state of being i can easily become a manic, bipolar personality being emotionally tossed around and drowned. i had to learn really quick that i absolutely cannot afford to depend on the material world or other people because my very sanity is at stake. and i had to dig deep to find something that will never leave me alone. so my spiritual journey began and i sought out and learned about the loving energy of god that is always with me, around me, loves me and protects me. no matter who comes in and out of my life.

so 12th, maybe you have found and trust your wife as a constant companion in an ever shifting, swirling world that we live in. and for that i am happy for you. as we have both said many times in this thread, life is a blank canvas and we can both paint our worlds as we please.

@ natho:

i didn't mean that i do not bond with people at all. actually it is the opposite. i treasure an intense, deep and intimate bond with people so much that i question the belief that this bond should only be shared with one significant other person.

although i still do entertain the fantasy of an undieing, devoted, life or death, bond/relationship with a soul mate. which it sounds like 12th has found and my hat's off to him for that.

i think the heart of where i was coming from was to cocoon myself with the love of life and god in order to protect myself from the manic depressions of love lost or unrequited.

am i going in circles here? ah well.

[FooSnik]

as political and economic freedom diminishes, sexual freedom tends
compensatingly to increase. and the dictator will do well to encourage that
freedom. in conjunction with the freedom to daydream under the influence of
dope, movies and the radio, it will help to reconcile his subjects to the
servitude.

--aldous huxley (brave new world revisited)


sexual liberation is about slavery

there is an inverse relation between sexual "freedom" and personal and political freedom. the sexual "liberation" of the past 50 years is part of the illuminati bankers' long-term plan to enslave humanity and make us love our slavery. whether sabbatean, frankist or communist, these satan-loving illuminati bankers always have promoted the sexual promiscuity which is now widely accepted.

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what we really want

most of us seek much more than sexual release. we have a basic need to love and nurture other human beings. we want companionship with someone of the opposite sex who complements us. we seek intimacy, security and peace of mind. these all require monogamy. we must resist the temptation to have random drive-by sex.

resisting this temptation is pretty easy when you are happily married. men and women balance each other emotionally and spiritually. thus, married couples need sex a lot less.

there is nothing more empowering than to be immune to sexual siren calls. i feel like bullets would go right through me, or like i am walking through a force-field. but what if you are a young single male, and have no sexual outlet?

there are three courses of action:

1) take advantage of the modern degradation of women and have casual sex and "hook ups."

2) manage your sex drive through tasteful porn and masturbation.

3) transcend sex by avoiding sexual cues and practising celibacy.


the pros and cons of #1 are pretty self evident. the challenge of #2 is to not let your fantasy life become a permanent substitute. a lot of men become addicted to porn. men have got to get satiated and lose interest. it is better to outgrow the need, rather than suppress it. but if you don't get sick of sex after masturbating, you must stop altogether and try #3.

http://www.rense.com/general80/sexsl.htm



interesting.

[12thUranus]

this quote and susequent article stemming from this quote has me thinking all over again...


seriously foosnik???!

this article is not referring to sex as an enhancing spiritual experience. this article is from a very negative perspective on people and sex. as the article says, these enslaved are controlled. sts is the controller and the controlled. the ones that would fall under this article are the unenlightened ones.

if you are rethinking your perspective, that is what it is. please don't fall into the pit that is this article. but do listen to your own thoughts that spoke to you when reading this article, and there you will find the truth of this "rethinking."

you have heard enough from me to know my perspective. many broad inferences in this article. its very materialistic.
take this line, for instance

men and women balance each other emotionally and spiritually. thus, married couples need sex a lot less.
it was going to a good place. sure, balance is good. we should approach all emotionally and spiritually for balance. ..... to have "need sex a lot less" be the ultimate conclusion from this????:eek:

[mwr1026]

the quote from rense.com sounds superficially plausible, but doesn't have the ring of truth. all we have is the author's assertion that there is an inverse co-relation between promiscuity and freedom. he bases that on his own point of view of the developments in modern history. he has not laid out a compelling case. i personally think the supposed co-relation is unfounded. there are examples throughout history of cultures that had far more open sexual practices than ours, and personal freedom. this article is based on a very myopic perspective. it's the sort of thing that grows legs and is used to take freedom away.

[Fortyball]

(from rense.com) ...if you don't get sick of sex after masturbating, you must stop altogether and try #3. .

ah now, there is clearly a lot more to sex than physical satisfaction.
something doesn't sit well with that article, doesn't resonate. could be just me.

[FooSnik]

i agree with you all. it didn't sit well with me either. it was the original quote from aldus huxley that got me.

specifically:

"as political and economic freedom diminishes, sexual freedom tends compensatingly to increase."

i was wary of the rense article because it is rense and he profits off of fear. but the original quote was just a simple observation by a historian. so it made me think.

but after a little more thought, there doesn't really seem to be anything bad with sexual freedom in its self.

i think we need to control our worldly desires in the same manner in which you cannot eat all the ice cream you may want. well, you could but you may die of a heart attack. and here are obvious pros and cons of being promiscuous as well.

thank you everybody :)

[12thUranus]

well of course. it's just natural that if two or three valves are closed, the flow will increase through the remaining open valves.

[Natho]

ive obviously missed the last several weeks of forum time and chitter, but im pretty sure that sex and politics are like positive and negative values. to read an article which generalises the current populations perspectives on sexual freedom or what have you is to read one general perspective with an attempt at range. to make us love slavery? i think people are much smarter than this, people dont even like the banks that hold their money, yet we do what we must without being happy about it.

as 12th said, dont fall into the pitt, use yur own head and feelings, otherwise you may be confused as the one who raves about the 666 comonality lol.