Tips for meditation

[Understanding]

i think after reading a loadful of information from various websites, and books i am ready to begin finding the inner peace and uncoditional love i have been looking for. how do i start with meditation? anybody on the forum have tips or videos or books for beginners. how should i begin what should i practice any good websites about kundalini and charkras that i need to know, thanks

[Ewhaz]

well. as far as all of the information i have read on meditaton, there are 2 basic methods.

in any meditation, you most likely want to use deep even breaths. you breath into your belly, letting it expand before you fill your chest. i call these buddah breaths cause it gives you a nice round belly :p. breath in at a comfortable pace, as you get deeper into your meditation, you'll notice your breath coming slower and more relaxed.

1. focus on something. you focus on either an ideal (ie love, joy, peace, appreciation) or a word or sound. the infamous ahhhaaaaeeeeoooommm or many others. if your focusing on a feeling or ideal, you first let it fill you, feel it and meditate on it quietly. when you finally feel you've gotten relaxed and into the feeling, meditate on radiating those feelings outwards towards other selves. if your meditating on a sound, you want to gently repeat the sound in your mind. you'll notice thoughts entering in, don't get upset though, just gently return to your meditation. don't try to block the thoughts, simply replace them with the sound.

2. focus on clearing the mind. you want to relax and get comfortable. begin your breathing, and slowly begin letting go of your thoughts. at first this will be kind of difficult. your mind is used to being 'busy' but in order to focus on nothing, you have to kind of listen to nothing. again, as your thoughts intrude, acknowledge them and let them go, going back to focusing on the nothing. you may become aware of a sort of 'being' in the moment. thats what your looking for. don't become discouraged if you don't get anything 'special' for a while. just be persistent and it will come to you when your ready for it.

meditate peacefully for anywhere upwards of 15 minuets. i find that short meditations help me feel connected to my spiritual side and can help me get through the day. longer meditations end up making me feel very relaxed and 'deep', which may help you connect to your higher self (i feel).

the important part of meditation is simply finding what works for you. once you find that, stick with it and be consistent. don't go into this thinking that every meditation will be a mystical experience, it won't be. meditation is about learning how to listen quietly. some days you'll hear quite a bit, other days you will only hear silence. both are equally important, so don't get frustrated.


and for you other mediators out there,
i have a question of my own i've been wanting to ask.

i often avoid meditating if i'm stressed out, or not feeling well or feeling 'negative' in any way. for some reason i feel it's wrong to go into a highly suggestible state while not already feeling positive. another part of me feels this is counter intuitive and that meditating regularly is more important than 'being in the zone' when meditating. what are your thoughts?

love and light!

[zephyr]

quote: ewhaz
"and for you other mediators out there,
i have a question of my own i've been wanting to ask.

i often avoid meditating if i'm stressed out, or not feeling well or feeling 'negative' in any way. for some reason i feel it's wrong to go into a highly suggestible state while not already feeling positive. another part of me feels this is counter intuitive and that meditating regularly is more important than 'being in the zone' when meditating. what are your thoughts?

love and light!"

hi ewhaz

i do half an hour of hatha yoga everyday and use it as a form of meditation. because of the body/mind connection, i find it much easier to focus and i always feel refreshed and rejuvinated even if i've had a really bad day. i learned from the book [please email zephyr for book name and author]

after learning hatha yoga and practising it for about a month, i created a routine using my favourite asanas and incorporated a few more breathing techniques into it. so now the routine just flows and the meditation comes naturally moving into a deeper state with each asana.

my body feels so good after just that one half hour, that i don't want to miss doing it each day. i find it also gets my head into a better space - if i need to do that.

i recommend the book or one like it because it explains the meaning of each asana in symbols and metaphors which is a transformational meditation as well as physical movement/pose.

on days that i'm totally focused on the routine/meditation, i have had some rather enlightening revelations.

it works for me - it might work for others :)

lady zephyr

[SuperManny]

there are probably as many ways to meditate as there are people, so just find what works for you. i have been meditating for 20 years, and i'm currently using a method i first tried about 15 years ago. i didn't like it then, but now i do, so even when you find a method that you like, it doesn't mean you'll be doing it for the rest of your life.

most importantly, let your meditations spill out into, and affect the rest of your life. let them awaken you; inspire you; breathe new life into you, and empower you.

you will simply not get that much out of it, if you meditate for 30 minutes a day, but continue living the other 23 hrs and 30 minutes like you always have, and thinking the same old thoughts you've always thought.

[mikron]

thanks for sharing this information one aspect anyone can work wih is spiritual meditation and just call forth the essance of great spirit into your own body then meditate onto the light inside oneself !

namaste mikron

[Lorigga]

i find that meditating to clear the mind helps me to refocus. when i'm feeling stressed or negative i'll try to set aside a little time to clear my mind and "reconnect" to my higher self.

i've found that i'm very good at clearing my mind and feeling the sensations of energy flow through my body. but have been searching for ways of instigating change in the world via my meditations.

i believe this to be the path of the adept in the law of one, where you are able to really utilize your connection with the universe to help out.

everyone here has given wonderful advice. a buddy of mine asked me once about meditation pillows, to which i told him it didn't matter and proceeded to tell him that lotus or chair won't make it any less effective. it all comes down to the two things mentioned earlier in this post, focusing or clearing the mind. i also think david mentioned in his webinar the importance of listening to the thoughts that pass through the mind.

i fundamentally believe your tuning yourself to your most basic frequency when you clear your mind, actively working with energy when you focus, and allowing yourself to speak with your higher self when you listen to the thoughts that flow. those are just my personal experiences, which will be different from other people.

i love meditation, through it i've been able to "feel" myself as a spirit.

[Art]

when i meditate, it is usually for one of several reasons - depending on what i desire, or feel called to do, at that moment...

as others have said, intent is key to a successful meditation. you must have clear intentions before you can focus.

for example - when i first began meditating, my purpose was to "recieve wisdom". well, now i know that was foolish - i should have been asking for knowledge - wisdom is the successful application of knowledge for the betterment of the universe. so, you cannot be granted wisdom in my opinion. anyways, back to receiving knowledge, i would visualize a spiraling column of white light entering the crown of my head - kinda like downloading i guess.

during some of my first meditations i experienced incredible "visuals" - one was where i was sitting, arms outstretched, and had an obe - seeing myself projecting light from my hands (to each other), my heart, and my forehead. all these "beams" met in a "ball" that was about a foot and a half in front of me.

another meditation was my only experience with "seeing the light" in all its glory - i was both in and out of my body - i saw it from both 1st and 3rd person. suddenly i heard a cracking sound above my head and all i saw was brilliant light... those who have experienced this know what i am talking about - those who haven't, be patient, you're time will come. words cannot describe this experience.

back to another example, last night i meditated before bed (like i always do), but i didn't ask for anything. rather, last night i "broadcasted" thoughts of love to those immediately around me (family and friends) and love to the world. i am of the opinion that in the meditative state that we are able to both receive and transmit information. some may disagree with this because it goes against "being silent"... i also "employ" forgiveness during certain meditations - not necessarily focusing on any particular person, etc., but simply forgiveness. i usually find that within a few days past memories come up that remind me of forgiveness.

other times meditation focuses on healing my mind/body/spirit complex. i envision energy running through my body, my chakras powering/balancing/clearing, kundalini activating. i try to "heal" or "reset" once a week, more if needed.

and yet other times i am totally open - silent. it is during these special times, although infrequent, that i receive "messages" from my higher self, guiding me on what "projects" to undertake next. i don't always "get" messages from my higher self when i "try to", but i know it when i do. when i don't - thats ok.

so, not every meditation is the same. identify your intent, and then you can focus. mix it up! remember, we are each so much more powerful than we realize - with great power comes great responsibility, so i agree with those who mention that it probably isn't a good idea to meditate while in a negative state of mind. i will admit though, that i do use meditative practices to calm me during a negative "moment" - quieting the mind, proper "buddha" breathing, etc. - but not full-fledged meditation. i fear that i may receive and/or transmit negative "signals" which is obviously something i don't want to do.

one last thing i wanted to mention - lately, during my meditations, it has become easier to achieve the "body asleep" aspect which is nice (i was having trouble achieving this due to heart palpitations, but that has gotten better), however, lately i notice that i am incredibly hot afterwards. is this normal?

anyways, to each their own. i once posted a thread about meditation and david gave me the hook-up - there is no wrong way to meditate. find what works for you. your experiences will be your own - enjoy them and don't hold yourself to anyone else's experiences, expectations.

good luck! :d

art

btw - supermanny - i really like this


you will simply not get that much out of it, if you meditate for 30 minutes a day, but continue living the other 23 hrs and 30 minutes like you always have, and thinking the same old thoughts you've always thought. reminds me of those church folks who are all high and mighty for that 1 hour per week, but continue to be hippocrites, etc. the other 6 days and 23 hours. thanks everyone for your input on this thread and others "dedicated" to meditation.

[Feldsher]

the only time i can successfully meditate is if there's some purpose, as art put it, intent. today i listened to cd "science of peace" part 1 and david described our personal "dream landscape," where we can confront our own personal issues. cool idea! i never had thought of that.

well, heck with all the nature places. i sat down, closed my eyes, and visualized myself on a pretty white-sanded beach, made it cool with the surf sounds, cool breezes, etc, then walked down the well-groomed path and came to a stargate. i commanded it to send me to my dream landscape and walked through.

of all the crazy things, i wound up in a grid-lined holodeck. from star trek, i know how to command holodecks, so i simply commanded it to send me an issue. boy, i got a good one!

now i have two results, a successful meditation and... homework.

btw. for this meditation, i broke all the rules. no deep breaths, no chants, i even crossed my legs. i wasn't even relaxed. the idea was so cool, i decided to just go there and see what i would find. what i learned today is that a great destination makes for a great meditation.

[MrFusion]

im just curious about peoples experiences with meditation. it is something that i have been interested in for a long time and have taken in a lot of material about it.

i tried it for the first time recently. i got into position, closed my eyes and focused on clearing all thoughts from my mind. this was difficult in the beginning as different things kept popping into my head. after a while i was pretty clear and extremely relaxed. the blackness of my closed eyes started to give way to what i can only describe as swirling geometric patterns. some time later i then noticed that my eyes were darting back and forth and up and down rapidly on their own (of course they were still closed). it seemed funny because i wasnt moving my eyes...they were just moving themselves. i then began to feel extremely light headed and...the state i was in felt really good.

after some more time the good feeling and patterns started to fade and i felt like i was done. when i got up and looked at the clock a lot more time had passed then i would have estimated.

anyway...this has been my only attempt at meditation. it was enjoyable, though im not sure what it is supposed to be like if one is doing it correct..if there is a correct way.. lol

any responses i would love to hear! :)

may you all have peace.

mrfusion.

[Rhonda]

hi, mrfusion, it sounds like you are doing great in your meditation.

i know what you mean in the beginning, depending on what type of day its been, turning off the mind, to be still and letting go of the control. at times, it can take me awhile to release and let go of the day's events and sometimes, it just is not going to happen.... no matter how long i give it. :)

there is a saying that i heard, when you want to talk, pray, when you want to listen, meditate. ;)

my experiences vary, depending on where and how far i can go. i will see bright colors, symbols like you were saying, hear messages, or just be still and completely relax, no time, no space, just be and loose that "time" spent until i am done.... and then, the physcial feelings of freedom is felt

i believe each will experience and receive what works for them and how they can gain the most from this time spent with self and our connection to the source. as the saying goes, we are each unique and special to the one, no one less or more than another, equal in the eyes of our creator, as we were created and sent forth to do and be. experiences the experiences set forth.

thanks for sharing..... good topic....

[Kris]

there is a saying that i heard, when you want to talk, pray, when you want to listen, meditate. ;)

i like that rhonda. since i'm fairly new to meditating myself and have trouble at times quieting my mind, perhaps it is because i am "praying" instead of "listening".

thanks. that helps a lot.

[FooSnik]

i was thinking that it is not enough to just retreat from time to time to meditate. we should meditate always. while walking, thinking and breathing. letting all of it free.

anywhere you are or happen to be, always be breathing and meditating. at work or anywhere.

for all of you thinking to tell me not to focus on negativity: i don't think i am. i am only reflecting an honest interpretation of what i feel.

what i focus on is spreading love and peace and friendship. and trying to not allow myself to feel bad about myself.

anyway, i think it is about all of us. i am beginning to think and feel what all of you are feeling. and it scares the crap out of me. we all need to offer each other the respect to be completely open and honest.

until then, walking meditation. breathe and let it go.

[eagle13]

wow, awesome. that reminds me of what my old teacher once told me. "take each step on earth in a sacred and loving manner. for your mother loves you far more than you realize." thanks again, your kind and loving soul shines very bright!

[Greywolf69]

yes. that is what i should do ... i need to not focus on the things that seem trivial at work and elsewhere.

[Mac]

hello everyone,

i'm fairly new to these forums and the topics dw and the members here relate and discuss. everything i have read on the web about meditiation, including testimonials, seems extremely positive so the practice has recently interested me greatly :)

however, the basics are very confusing because there seems to be so many different "flavors" (for lack of a better term) and so many mystic and spiritual views intertwined within the teachings of the techniques themselves. as a beginner, my interest is to learn to meditate and progress to the higher consciousness states as efficiently as possible for me. i will then further develop my own spirituality both within and external to this practice.

so, it seems to me that given all the more experienced and/or advanced meditation practitioners out there, there would be some fundamental checklist of one way (not necessarily the only way) to progress to deeper stages of meditation but mainly what i have found so far on the web is people trying to sell me stuff before i even have practical personal proof that this is good for me. i would think there would be some simple "list" or formula available that works along these lines:

1st stage) perform specific exercise a or b or c (depending on which one you like better or is more focusing) until you feel like x or y or z (which would be a somewhat clear indicator you are ready to progress to more advanced areas.

2nd through nth stages) repeat the formula above, substituting the variables appropriate for that stage

now, i hope you get a good smile at my "algebraically" simple way of wanting to approach this :) but it seems reasonable to me as it seems to be a common way to progress in all forms of training and life.

so, to quit wasting your bandwidth here, my question is are there some good pointers to places on the web or a book that aligns with my approach/way of wanting to learn? feel free to email me if it isn't appropriate to post in this forum.

also, please feel free to comment in general on what i have said and any misconceptions you think i may have and i will certainly take it under friendly advisement :)

thanks,

mac

[Dancinglove]

hello mac,


it seems to me,that you are over complicating a simple thing :)


i will pm you with what it sounds like you're looking for,but the simplest answer is usually the best.

capitalizing on something that we're naturally equipped with seems silly to me,so watch out for all those "meditation programs for only 19.95!" adds and such!


hope my pm will help you find what you're looking for

[Art]

mac,

you are destined to get many replies with many methods and many personal experiences. the problem with this is that you will not have the same experiences, nor should you. don't hold yourself to someone else's experiences or expectations. you create your own reality. in other words, don't let someone else define boundaries for you as this can serve to limit. make sense? these experiences are difficult to put into words, or to communicate to another. you just either know or you don't.

i have read this, heard that, practiced this, etc. - and i am not even close to seasoned like some of the other members of the forum. the most simple checklist i can offer would be this...

1) be sure to have a private space where you will not be easily distracted.

2) focus your mind to the task at hand - clear all other thoughts of yesterday, today, tomorrow.

3) relax and begin to think toughts of love.

3) clearly state your intent to yourself (this could be meditating for peace, for knowledge, for healing, for communing with your higher self, etc. - intent, and purity of intent is the key to success, imo).

4) continue to focus your mind until it "becomes silent". some products claim this is hemispherical synchronization, where the chatter of the hemispheres can be ignored while you center yourself in your pineal/hypothalamus/pituitary complex (hope i have that right about the hypothalamus - to be honest, my mind doesn't really become silent, i just get to a point where i can let thoughts flow freely and choose to let them go).

5) i guess you get to a point where you focus so sharply that your awareness explodes and thats where the true miracles happen...

ok, not as short as i'd like. some people use breathing techniques, certain postures while sitting, etc. some even meditate while walking - oh that can be pretty fun, just be careful not to walk into walls, people, traffic :eek: . david wrote awhile back, and i definitely agree, maybe the only "requirement" for really effective meditation is to have the spine straight.

honestly, its up to you. what works for one won't necessarily work for another. and i'd suggest you keep trying this without the assistance of products. i got caught up in the binaural beats, which did help greatly at first, but limited me later on. growth was explosive then sharply fell and even became discontinuous. better off that you learn this the natural way.

having said that, if you are interested in binaural beats, you can pm me - but, i'd suggest again learning the natural way.

hope this helps!

art

[~M^E~]

i understand where you are coming from.
as i have also pondered the many ways of meditation with the aim of practicing the one that would grant me access to the greatest power(whatever that is to you).
i believe one of the underlying principles is simply to become congruent.
to become focused on one particular thing.

now my question would come to, what is the best thing to focus on?

for myself i am meditating on "feeling".
to feel what i feel and so on infinitely within my meditation.
feel feel feel feel feel until i reach that beautiful centered awareness of being/feeling.

i believe there are many benefits to learning to consciously feel.
once you learn to truly feel what you are truly feeling in the moment, only then should you begin to bring in particular states of emotion such as love, gratefulness, etc.
to become centered first through your own path of what you are and then to explore these other states.

best of luck on your quest.

[SuperManny]

1st stage) perform specific exercise a or b or c (depending on which one you like better or is more focusing) until you feel like x or y or z (which would be a somewhat clear indicator you are ready to progress to more advanced areas.
2nd through nth stages) repeat the formula above, substituting the variables appropriate for that stage
it sounds like you're looking at meditation as a way of getting from point a to point b. not that there's anything wrong with that, in fact many of the meditation courses teach that. of course when you get to point b, they want to sell you the process to get to point c.

consider that if you're at point a, maybe that's where you need to be, perhaps you just need to be more aware of the world you are in right now. i promise you that when you have fully integrated point a, then point b will naturally gravitate towards you without as much struggle or effort on your part.

anyhow, just experiment with different styles and types and see what works best for you. whatever you choose, you'll likely find that the more awareness/consciousness you put into it, the more you will get out of it.

[Kris]

hi mac

i'm fairly new at meditating myself and i have felt the same way as you...please, someone show me the way.

david has some great meditations that guide you through a process with him. for example, 'science of peace' has a great meditation at the end of it.

as well, if you do a forum search using the word "meditation" you will find a wealth of information from months gone by. ;)

might i suggest as well, you join us on our friday group meditation. go into the positive affirmations and prayers forum and click on 'ready to call'. we meditate as a group, (separately but as one), every friday at 9:00 a.m. and/or 9:00 p.m.

like i said, i'm a newbie meditator, still searching for my own unique way, but i have had some wonderful experiences knowing i am part of a group, and calling out together and then finding my way from there.

check it out.:)

kris

[Mac]

thank you all very much for your help and feedback! i've been very interested to read each of your replies and consider what to do. i'm not interested in short-circuiting learning meditation, just in doing the most efficient advancement.

about the only thing i have learned so far, is to sit still, listen to some quiet music / ambient sounds on the headphones, and try to focus on the air moving in and out of my nose as i breath :)

one "supplementary" approach i did find in my research was something called [specific technique-please email for name] which i took to help in keeping focus.

of course, focus seems wierd to me in the context of meditation because i thought i am supposed to lose focus and just drift. i guess i focus on something internal vs external?

so, when i laid out my formula above, i was looking for some technique just to get an initial step of meditation. i guess focusing on my nose breathing would be one? it is just these basics that elude me as to different things to try to start with to see what works best for me. i also found one site about imagining going to a lily pond and sitting in a giant daisy in the middle. i can certainly exercise my imagination but that was not my impression of "stilling the mind".

i will check out and explore all of the advice you have given above and in pm and try things further. any additional advice is always welcome.

thanks!

[Mac]

thanks, kris! i'll check out the group meditation as well.

[Mac]

above when i said "something called [email for name please] which i took to help in keeping focus", what i should have said was "something called [name] which i understand is intended to help in keeping focus". i haven't purchased anything regarding meditation help.

[FooSnik]

if you are like me then when you sit down to meditate thoughts begin to jabber and flood your mind:

what do i have to do today? was that the right thing to say? i am worried about the rent. i am worried about this pain in my body. did i make the right decision? blah, blah, blah.

i will share the best advice that i recieved to help with this and i would like to hear everyone else's teqniques as well.

so, i learned a simple trick a while ago that has worked pretty well for me. someone told me to treat my mind like a two year old who is having a temper tantrum because you won't give him/her any candy before dinner. what do you do in this situation? you ignore the child until he/she realizes that he/she is not going to get any attention for this behavior.

your mind is the same way. it is young and undisciplined. just ignore it and it will quiet down because no one is paying any attention to it.

and it does. it quiets down. it is like you are training it. takes a little time but it becomes more and more obedient until it learns to be quiet right away.

anyway, this works for me. what works for you?

[d. franz zzyrch clark]

inwardly or silently chanting an established chant that employs the magic word 'om' with the intent of not just quieting down my thoughts, but with the desire of setting things right universally- if that makes any sense.this procedure may be done while walking or bicycling,of course while being observant of surrounding traffic.this is akin to counting rosary beads.a simple manner to induce alpha-wave activity, if i'm not mistaken.

[~M^E~]

interesting...i can see how that could be effective.

i have meditated on and off for years applying different methods of concentration to interupt habitual thought patterns.

i have settled on simple "awareness".
sitting for 20 minutes, twice a day...and becoming "aware".

explain?
just become aware of whatever it is your aware of.
it really is that simple.
if a thought arises, good or bad, just be aware of it and anything else you experience because of this thought or thoughts.
always come back to simply being "aware".
once you do this long enough, you then begin to become much more "aware" of your "awareness".
and this is where the bliss begins to enter into your experience, and also where the fun begins.

from there it just gets better and pretty much indesrcibable.
always coming back to "awareness".

glad to hear your meditating.

[Jakelee]

hi everybody
i have actually never meditated , sad to say that.
would love to do so, but dont know where to start.
i´ve heard about the morningprayer while the sun rises...it should be simple and easy ????
can anybody give me a hint to techniques / styles that could work out smoothly for an amateur like me ?
(the different spirtual frameworks and things like that aren´t strange or new to me, and i have always been on some sort of spiritual search.)
(took the shortcuts during my youth)

love from denmark

jakelee

[symbolon]

what works for you?
the practice of meditation is one of my very favourite 'things to do'. initially though, i found this to be a lot more difficult then i thought possible. the best and most useful discovery had to be a wooden meditation bench. you can google it on how to make one very cheaply and efficiently. i have used this bench for the last six months now and my backpain has totally disappeared. there is now no strain, courtesy of the angled legs which force you to sit straight. i highly recommend it.

[jgalbra1]

for me meditation releases all of my tension and i can get what needs done done. it really just gives me the energy i need to function and clears out the cobwebs. when i do it consistently it feels like things just snap into working order and "i" am along for the ride this state of being for me creates alote of euphoria.

[Dragon_Hacker]

i have one major problem..:(

i always hear that meditation is of utmost importants in evolving, along with love and awareness. i have great trouble with meditation and i can't meditate, i have read many things on how to meditate and it just does not seem to work with me. i can't seem to keep focus on one thing... i multi-task continually in my life and find that just not thinking about everything in life is extremely difficult (i don't have add / adhd), which is quite odd. do you have any tips for meditation, like what feelings you experience and when, what parts of your chakra do you visualize, what exactly do you visualize on, how long, how to not keep your mind from drifting off, ect. (i know the basic stuff as in sit in a comfortable position, close your eyes, don't listen to distracting music, think of one thing, concentrate on what you want to achieve.) as you can see it gets me very frustrated sometimes...:o

i just constantly think, and i can't seem to turn it off...

through meditation i wish to achieve things such as past-life memories, conscious communication with my higher self/et's, & maybe astro-projection (if i'm good enough...:p)

i will always have goals, and always try to better myself and achieve new heights.

with love from the eternal consciousness...

-kyle

[lala]

that's the problem.....


through meditation i wish to achieve things such as past-life memories, conscious communication with my higher self/et's, & maybe astro-projection (if i'm good enough...)[/

you will do it when you get tired of that... then and only then you will find peace..... no thing to find.... no thing to learn.... no thing to do... no thing.....

just no thing .....

[Silvanus Sanctus Germanus]

hi kyle, welcome to the forum.:)

one form of meditation that i would suggest is being in the now, embracing the present moment, giving your higher self a clear channel to observe and perhaps interact. this can be done in a second or can last throughout the day, find those moments during your every day activities that allow you to be yourself fully and start seeing that as a way of meditating, now bring those moments back to yourself at the end of the day, that might help start you off on deeper meditations. remember that intention is key in focusing the mind, build it slowly throughout the day and then allow it to guide you through deeper meditation. feel that intention as often as possible, feel the vibrational energy, get comfortable sensing it, notice it in every moment...........................sylvain.......... ................

[vandance22]

sometimes i wish that i had not heard about other people's experiences with meditation, because it makes me wish for similar experiences. i hear about a person who has been meditating for much longer than i have, and hear about an obe or something of the sort. so then i meditate with that sole intent, and do not feel satisfied when it is not achieved. all the other benefits (which are the real "point" of meditation) i am disappointed with.

one of the things i have learned about meditation is that one cannot go into it expecting something. all one can do is, like others have said, to experience the now and see where it takes you. if you can't shut off your mind, don't worry about it. there is no right or wrong way to do it. just focus your consciousness on yourself at this very moment, and let it take you places. personally, breathing exercises do wonders for helping me enter a meditative state, but there are many practices which i enjoy. i started by concentrating on the present, and then began to practice conscious breathing. from this point, once i felt like i could enter the meditative state, i would concentrate on the down-pouring infinite intelligent energy of love/light that my spirit was reaching up for. i would visualize/experience this energy flowing into me from infinity, and then proceed to see it energizing my energy centers. i have tried concentrating on specific centers for any given period of meditation, and i have tried concentrating on everything that is. do whatever resonates "inside" yourself.

[ds37ds]

hi kyle! the reason so much importance is placed on meditation is that it is the way or path to realize the essence of our being or i am.

trying to focus too long and too hard on not thinking will bring you into a confrontational situation with your mind. it wants to be the focus of your attention. we need to be gentle with our minds - we do need them after all!
if a thought comes - let it come. sometimes many thoughts come one after another. don't fight them or try to supress them. take your attention gently to your incoming and outgoing breath. place your awareness in the background and become an observer. observe them coming and going. sometimes you may get caught up in them, but that's ok - when it's over, bring your attention back to your breath again. if you practice regularly, this trains or disciplines your mind to be quieter.

something that works for me is meditating on "who am i?"

close your eyes and quieten the mind and ask yourself -who am i?

don't answer the question.

what you see in front of you - the space - the void - the nothingness is

i am.

in relation to having experiences, we should bear in mind that these are coloured by our personal tendencies and understanding. visions and fantastic experiences may just be the expressions of our archetypes. they are therefore unique to each of us individually. even when similarities appear to be present due to the influence of our collective consciousness, they will be tinged with our personal uniqueness.

what we must remember, however, is that these experiences are experiences of the mind. they are not i am. the mind is a great trickster and can fool us. we can get caught up in them and go along for the ride but we shouldn't identify ourselves with them. they are just a means or catalyst for expanding our consciousness and awareness. at the end of the day we ultimately return to i am.


"weep orfeo. let tears unblind your eyes."
the secret of the saucers.

love
ds

[Scott Reidy]

i can understand where you are coming from kyle as i too have found that meditation led to a wandering mind. however, if intent is strong its amazing what we will to get there. every expert was once i beginner.

i have read a little about meridians and energy centres and how they can become blocked with eating certain types of food etc. becoming more conscious of this and breaking old habbits i am told can also help with the meditation process. once you get there, opening your eyes inside will be much more favourable. this i look forward very much to accomplishing.:p

[ChrisC]

hey!

i have had the same problems with "ordinary meditation" i.e quieting the mind, i seemed to getting nowhere.

but, i have found a type of meditation that works with the minds conscious and subsonscious thought patterns, it is known as the [please pm for particular method name].

[name] is gurmukhi for "the sound which takes you from darkness to light" i.e chanting.

so instead of quieting the mind you direct it towards a sound current which allows the concious and subconcious to release thoughts. these thoughts are the thoughts that the mind gives you during normal medtitation, but, the difference is when you are in the flow of a sound current you do not get distracted by these thoughts, you will "see" them but you will not judge them and in this way it is possible to go deeper.

a book i am reading now which is called [please pm for title and author] writes about the whole concept of the mind and ways to take control of our thought patterns.

peace

ps. for great [name] meditations please pm me.

[Dragon_Hacker]

thank you to every one, your answers are in valuable and full of love. these are the things that i needed to hear.

with love from the eternal consciousness...

-kyle

[diedxnxreborn]

for starters my name is steve, im new to this forum:d so before i ask a question about meditation id like to explain myself. so basicly i was born with duchenne muscular dystrophy and it makes your body weaker and weaker, it eventually left me in a struggle for my life. when i was 18, i had to be revived in the hospital, a week before i had a experience where i felt the universe as one, and had life figured out and as soon i had this knowledge it all went away, but i remember i had figured it all out.
a few years later i read a book about ancient egypt, and it led me to read a book called souls of distortion awakening, which led to the law of one and also david wilcocks work! was at this time i realised what i had experienced was really the real deal. now this leads to my question, from my disability my spine is curved like an s and most meditation techniques say to straighten your back. ive tried to ignore that fact and do everything else. now im not sure is this possible but could my crooked spine be making this harder to achieve? any advice?

ty for your time
-steve

[Spiral of Light]

hi steve, and welcome to the dc discussions,

your question is a good one. as you probably know, the reason for keeping the back straight while meditating is so that energy can travel from the base chakra through all of the chakras to the crown. but there are other ways that you can use to move that energy.

one important method is visualization. by picturing in your mind the energy (chi) moving through each of your chakras, you can facilitate its movement.

another important method is breathing technique. i've heard it said in yoga class that "where the breath goes, the energy flows." you can practice breathing deeply in and focusing that breath on each individual chakra...sending it to that part of your body and seeing it energizing and opening the chakra. begin at the base chakra and slowly move upward through all of the chakras. in principle, this would open your chakras and move the energy/chi upward along your spine even though it isn't straight.

these suggestions are a couple of things that came to mind that might help you to overcome the challenge you are facing. i googled meditation visualizations and found some interesting sites. if you have a problem finding this information, pm me for the links.

much love and light to you,
nancy

[Anatta11:11]

i think the law of one actually says that your spine being straight isn’t really that important, perhaps someone can find the quote.

try to be aware that meditation doesn’t require a formal procedure. there are some methods that yield what could be called results faster than others but that’s not the point. cultivate your attention so you are as aware as possible of your thoughts, your body, and the world around you. choose which ever method works best for your situation.

eventually you want to bring that mindset of non judgmental awareness into every moment of your entire life. from driving your car, looking at the sky, to smelling poop. once you are able to really see the world around you without thought coverings (10 seconds is great!) you’ve gotten to the point where you can start adding intention and action to your meditation.

if you want to get that feeling of oneness again you should look into loving kindness meditation. something as simple as saying “i love you” to all objects in your world (for a few weeks 24 hours a day) can really have some profound effects.

if you find yourself becoming too detached from the world around you switch to loving kindness, if you are becoming too attached switch to non judgmental awareness. your goal should be to develop the discrimination required to decide which path to walk in each moment.

[Jadde44]

they give the general cross legged position with straight back as a standard but you can meditate however you feel comfortable. some meditate sitting, while others lying on the floor, etc.
http://www.mysticrebels.com/images/asana2.jpg
the key is:
that the spine is stable and properly aligned so that stillness can be maximized and breathing can become easier. you can lie on a flat surface to reach this alignment if not possible to sit straight, or sit against a wall.

the picture attached shows a side view of the lying down position with the diamond mudra on the lower abdomen.

i personally lie on the floor on a mat with my legs slightly bent up or sit in a comfortable chair when meditating for longer periods of time. it works well for me.

meditation is crucial in the expansion of consciousness and in many other things. it is the backbone of spiritual work. best wishes!
light and love,
jady

[Strider44]

you dont need to sit in the lotus to meditate.

meditation is clearing your mind, holding emptiness in it. that is all. posture helps but isnt conducive to getting into a meditative state. lying down will work just fine.

[metaman]

try visualizing the energy following the curvature of your spine.

[In Dreams]

for starters my name is steve, im new to this forum:d so before i ask a question about meditation id like to explain myself. so basicly i was born with duchenne muscular dystrophy and it makes your body weaker and weaker, it eventually left me in a struggle for my life. when i was 18, i had to be revived in the hospital, a week before i had a experience where i felt the universe as one, and had life figured out and as soon i had this knowledge it all went away, but i remember i had figured it all out.
a few years later i read a book about ancient egypt, and it led me to read a book called souls of distortion awakening, which led to the law of one and also david wilcocks work! was at this time i realised what i had experienced was really the real deal. now this leads to my question, from my disability my spine is curved like an s and most meditation techniques say to straighten your back. ive tried to ignore that fact and do everything else. now im not sure is this possible but could my crooked spine be making this harder to achieve? any advice?

ty for your time
-steve


welcome steve!

everyone is correct in there replies of that you do not need to have your back straight to meditate. there are so many forms of meditation that you can even make your own! meditation is about clearing the mind and letting it subside to nothingness and theta state, which is a trance like state of mind. with this, all you need is to breath. as you go through your day, even clear your mind of all thought and let life be a meditation. this allows the day to become fun and more rewarding as you go through even mundane tasks. you can meditate whenever you want its as simple as that.

don't forget to try different breathing techniques as well as different visualization techniques for chakra work and balancing. i am unaware of your breathing techniques but one of my favorites is to take a slow deep breath in, feel it go down to your stomach and feel it expand to your chest, then feel it encompass you shoulders, hold for 4-6 seconds then slowly release feeling your breath leave from every cell of your body and repeat as needed. this is a great breathing exercise for quick relaxation, i find anyway.

good luck on your travels.

love and light

[diedxnxreborn]

ty for the help guys, ive been using a where imagine my energy traveling down, and when it goes passed belly button i picture a hallway with a gold door, it takes me to a peaceful place. then a wolf appears and i ask questions, never got an answer, though i did ask once if i could know one of my past lives, and later i had a dream and it said i was julius ceaser. which im not sure about maybe was jus my own interference.

ps sorry bout using shortened words, i type w onscreen keyboard and it saves time:d

-steve

[LastBoyScout]

hello everyone!

i am new to meditation and a friend turned me on to a set of kundalini mp3s but i was wondering what is the best way to meditate?

i do admit that i kind of find the mp3s distracting, but im sure its a great start in guiding me.

any suggestions of light to guide my way would be appreciated.

thanks in advance,

lbs

(p.s. a forum search wasn't very fruitful as meditation is mentioned a lot on this forum as i'm sure you understand)

[Makaveli512]

i think the key is simple, you just have to listen to your inner voice as if you were listening to someone you respected. i usually try to listen to all the garbage in my head, this way it slows down and it gets exposed as bs. people, especially in the u.s., will try to control their thoughts or the flow of their mind (ego?); this is not possible and it builds up more anxiety. funny thing is that many people here feel "lonely" and turn on the television, no matter what kind of **** is on, to feel comfortable, as if someone was there. we're scared of ourselves, meditation just takes courage to face your thoughts head on. things get darker before dawn, but it feels soooo good afterward. soooo gooood

[Detlef]

my preferred way of stilling my mind was paying attention to my out breath.
if you pay attention to your out breath you can not think.
you can give your out breath direction, heaviness, lightness, many things.
later on you might just develop what i call a switch, you switch and your mind is empty.

regards detlef

[ETguy]

meditative techniques seem to be very subjective, but here's how i do it:
i just focus on the stillness/calmness within me. that's it, really. as i focus on this, my mind slows down until it eventually settles in a state of complete observation. another technique i like to use is to picture myself inhaling a powerful brilliant light which completely bathes my body with every inhalation i perform.

i can often feel my hands radiating some form of warmth. sometimes i get the feeling that my body is about to burst with energy, and sometimes i start swirling as i'm affected by some form of energy which rushes up from the base of my spine.

[Eric The Viking]

oh my gosh! there are so many ways to do this. in the end, it comes down to personal perference. i will list a couple techniques that you can try, to help get you started.

at first, it's very helpfull to find a spot that is void of distraction. use a blind fold and ear plugs if you have to.

there are two basic techniques that all forms build on; visualization and emptyness.

at first, visualization maybe the easiest for some. you can light a candle in a dark room, then fix your gaze upon the candle. after some time, close your eyes and visualize the candle. see it in your minds eye; try to alter the shape of the flame with your consciousness; make it grow taller, shorter, brighter, more dim.

you can use the same technique with symbols, colors, pictures, sacred geometry ect...

transcendental meditation is another method.

in your minds eye, visualize yourself crossing a bridge to a beautiful green pasture. when you get half way across the bridge, stop. gather up all of your pent up daily emotions and symbolicly dump them over the bridge into the chasm or river. you now have left behind all of your woes, you are free to cross the bridge and enter the green pasture. stroll along amonst the green grass and the beautiful wildflowers. enjoy the beauty of the butterflies as they alight upon the wildflowers. connect with the rythmic beat of there wings. notice the warmth of the sun shining upon your face, gaze upon the wide blue sky and feel the soft cool breeze brushing your cheek. wander in this place of peace and tranquility, discover all there is to be found. chat with other beings you may encounter.

if you should happen across or expericence a negative entity at anytime during any of your meditation experiences that you wish to avoid, call forth the healing white light to suround you, to sheild and protect you. visualize yourself encased in a cocoon of white light that only love can penetrate.

on to emptyness.

you simply clear your mind of all conscious thought; easy right! not really.

this technique takes time to "sink into". you slowly bring yourself down. start by taking several deep breaths. fill your lungs from the bottom first then to the top. you need to really use your diaphram to get this right. then empty your lungs from the top to the bottom (it is as you would fill and empty a pitcher of water). some times it helps to count the number of breaths to distract your mind. as stray thought enter, acknowledge them, then pass them on and continue into just being, your mind is blank. try to hold the state of stillness as long as you can; once again as thoughts enter, observe them and let them go. through practice and time, you will be able to hold longer periods of stillness.

you also can use mantras to help still your mind. a mantra is a word your phrase you say over and over, such as: lam, vam, ram, yam, ham, om, om ma ni pad me hum and there is always the mantra that the priest chants, in the movie "indiana jones and the temple of doom".


meditation is a dicipline; the more your practice the easier it is to induce these states and the longer you can hold them.

[Makram Abu-Shakra]

my own technique is not very popular: i meditate lying down in water (in the bathtub). it is so much easier for me to enter a deeply meditative state in water and it is almost as much a "requirement" as silence and dimming the lights (although no rule is truly set in stone). the main issue most people would have is that i don't sit up straight. but, when ra was asked about the importance of sitting up straight during meditation they simply replied "it is somewhat helpful."

i was once meditating after having posed the question of the benefits of meditating in water and why it worked so well for me. at the end of a session, i usually ask internally what i should do afterward. i got the impression of visiting a certain restaurant, one which i would never think of going to on my own choice.

when i was there i overheard people talking a few tables away, and a man was saying: "one meditates in water for flexibility."

indeed, this could be true. as one empties oneself and enters selflessness, one begins to reflect their surroundings. the properties of water become integrated with my psychological makeup. in addition to the fluidity / flexibility of water, there is also the buoyancy. i thus easily embrace resilience and a natural tendency to float up to higher states of mind.

but, since reading the ra material, there is one more thing i stumbled upon. basically (and i probably should have mentioned this earlier) i meditate in order not only to quiet down my thoughts but to get communications from the vast innerscape.

ra, at one point, was discussing the benefits of using a crystal for its inter-dimensional properties. ra then said: "it may further be noted that water is a type of crystal"

[Skyline45]

hey guys i gotta a question about meditation. i think im doing it right i mean i have never felt the strange and euphoric feelings i have felt in the past couple of weeks i started meditating. but my question is this after i get these feelings it seems my body goes right back to be in the "normal" state and i have to do it all over again. this just makes me think im doing somthing wrong. idk maybe im tryin to to hard, but i kno all this stuff is real cuz my grandmother always spoke of this kinda of stuff and my grandfather would watch her come out of body... plenty of stories lol idk sry bout ranting its just that i feel broke for some reason and i dont know why. has anyone else hit this kinda of meditation block as i would call it lol?

[Deerclan]

kyle, i respect your courage in stepping forward and talking about the obstacles you are encountering in learning to meditate. i also have times when i am tense or worried about something in ways that interfere with meditation. i thought i would pass along a couple of things that help me.

1. breathing. focusing on breathing. noticing the breath, how it feels, how it sounds, as the air enters & exits your body is often a good way to quiet the mind & body.

2. affirmations. for me, certain affirmations quiet my thoughts. for some folks - and i suspect you may be one of us - the spiritual gifts of empathy and /or telepathy means you can feel or hear someone else's thoughts and / or feelings. especially if someone in your life finds you their personal rock of gibraltar to lean on for strength & comfort, it's possible you are constantly tuned in to their private broadcasting station, and be picking up their thoughts, feelings, worries, concerns, all the time. here's an affirmation i find helpful: "i am in a bubble of light, and only light can come to me, and only light can be here."

sometimes this affirmation can also work as a test. if you use this affirmation, start feeling clear, then start getting a barrage of phone calls or other attempts to get your attention, then it's likely that you have someone clinging to your energy field. whenever i start looking for such influences, i start with parents, other family members, girlfriend/boyfriends, close friends (especially ones with self-confidence problems), and acquaintances (especially ones with alcohol or drug problems). any of those folks can cling, without intending to, without intending you any harm. they can simply see you as a life preserver in the sea of life, and while it is a big compliment to you, the analogy holds in the sense that a drowning victim can accidentally drown a rescuer. (they teach you that in lifeguard classes.) for what it's worth, intuition tells me it's likely you have an ex girlfriend who used to like to cling, and who still imagines herself in relationship to you. you're free to grade me on that, anywhere from "a" to "f". lol

3. use the buddy system. they use to say "don't swim without a buddy." that was for safety reasons, but there is a different reason why working with another person can help you in meditation. it's simply because having another person working with you can help you to forget about the demands of the outside world & focus on the here & now. i had a yoga instructor who gave me fantastic help in shutting out the outside world. it doesn't even need to be a live person, because a meditation tape or cd can work wonders.

good luck in working through this obstacle. as someone else said above, your honest intent is one of the most powerful tools you have. :)

paul

[metaman]

the first thing that one needs to wrap their mind around is that the initial goal of an aspiring meditator should be simple. yes all of the things that you wish to achieve through meditation are possible. however, you need to learn to walk before you can run. my suggestion would be letting go of the desire of mystical experiences and focus on the goal of training yourself to be in the moment.

when we are born, we are naturally in the moment. however, due to the way in which our society has structured itself, we are trained out of this very early. this is caused by the combination of linear time and core beliefs about time that are taught to us. we are taught from a very early age that we should focus on events of the past and what might happen in the future. moreover, most of us are brought up to believe that if we do not do this then we will be doomed to repeat our mistakes and not be ready for what is going to happen. this is all due to the center of consciousness of our society. that would be the mechanical gregorian calendar that was forced upon the earth by the catholic church. why is a whole other discussion that wont help you with your questions.

another entrained habbit we get into is actually caused by television. when you watch television, you are actually in a form of unconscious meditation. we sit down and "zone out" on what is being displayed in front of us on the screen. this is a huge problem for a simple reason. the way that television is structured is fragmented. the actual program you watch is not the culprit. the culprit are the commercials. unwittingly we are training our minds to jump from thought to thought randomly while watching these commercials. not only that, they hide archetypal symbology in these commercials which makes the imprinting even more effective.

so the first step you should take is to either stop watching tv, or mute the commercials and close your eyes while they are on. or even better would be fast forwarding through them with the aid of a dvr. the fast forwarding may not do the trick though. this is because when you do this you are being "blipverted" just like in the max headroom series from the 80's. so if you are going to fast foward through the commercials, either throw your eyes out of focus or close them entirely.

the meditation for training yourself to be in the moment is really quite simple. the one that i learned when i was in your position is called japa. it is a 6000 year old or older meditation that comes out of tibet. it does not take much time to do every day. in the mourning after you have woken up, you sit in a comfortable chair with your backbone as vertical as it can be while still being relaxed. next you visualize white light comming out of the earth, up through your legs, then up your spine, into your head, and out of your forehead. after you have accomplished this then you begin making the sound ah......., ah......., ah.......

when you first start this practice you will find that the random thoughts will still continue to flash into your consciousness. this is normal for beginners. the key is not to push against the thoughts. allow them to surface and allow them to leave on thier own. as you progress doing this every mourning, you will find that the random thoughts will become less and less during your mourning meditation. don't expect immediate gratification with sudden results. just like any learned skill, the progress will come as it will.

the second part of japa is a meditation that is done at night. this meditation is even more simple than the mourning one. i usually do this meditation laying in bed before sleep. you simply repeat the classic ohm......., ohm........, ohm........, while concentrating on nothing but feeling love and happiness.

when you do these meditations you are actually changing the configuration of the neuro pathways in your mind. so long as you are consistent with it, the old pathways which cause random thought will decay and fade. they will be replaced with the new ones that allow you to be in the moment. after you have gotten to the point to where you can have a quiet mind during these simple meditations, then you will be able to move on to the more advanced stuff.

hope this helps

[starborne]

thanks metaman, i will try this myself. i used to do the "ah" and "ohm" meditations a few years back, they did help quite a bit in getting my mind more centered and calm. i've never tried the white light visualization, though, that sounds wonderful!

such great information, and it is no surprise to me that it was posted at 11:11am. ;)

[aqcheryl]

okay, coming from someone who struggled against this for a very long time, one of the things you have to do is focus on the physical first. until you resolve that, you cannot obtain or achieve the spiritual.

my mind races all the time, and you know even after breaking the walls down to meditation - to be able to do it, i still have times where i will go to do so and just cant quiet the mind down.

this is the technique you must do - you must quiet your mind first. so immediately what you want to do is set aside time to do this. now when you first start, its going to take a long time - maybe even up to an hour, though i find the more you become acquainted with how it feels and such, the time lessens.

so you want to make sure you are in a position that you can stay in for that long of a time. the older you get, or if youre not in perfect physical form, you just cannot do the crossed legged thing - especially for that long of time. so immediately cross that off the instruction book. you want to instead find the most comfortable position for your body - one where you can remain still, and totally shut down your body (ie relax the muscles, slow down the breathing) and not have a physical ache occur. because if it does, when youre already struggling to meditate it brings you out of that focus so fast.
so usually for me this position is to lay in my bed on my back.

the other thing you want to scratch from the so called rulebook is music, or rather the 'not playing of it'. for those of us whose minds continuously race, sometimes the only way they slow down is if we have background music playing. make sure whatever you choose puts you in a calm frame of mind and spirit. i like enigma or enya, or medieval music. i also find music helps the daydream process happen much easier and daydreams really are a form of meditation. the only difference is that you usually create that reality - well in this case, you can start with the daydream and once in that phase, gradually let go of the control over what happens, and let the images you see continue on their own. then you are definitely receiving.

and thats another thing - shed the stigma that you have never meditated or cant - thats the biggest thing to keep you from progressing. you already have. again, daydreaming is a form of meditative state. so is dreaming while you sleep.

now heres the big one - and i find this works not only for meditation purposes but also for when you have trouble sleeping. keep a journal near you - you need to do this anyways because when you come out of the meditation you want to record every detail you can remember - and then be able to read it back and analyze it only then.
so when you find you have trouble meditating because your mind is constantly thinking about things, what you need to do is
a) remind yourself that these issues will still be there an hour from now and you can think on them later, and
b) write each one down in your journal. you dont have to get into details... you can write a one word descriptive of the subject so that you know what it means, and in this case you are ensuring your mind that you indeed willl remember to think about it later. this allows your mind to let go more easily. it also helps you start to see how so many of what concerns us suddenly is not worth all the energy. this helps lead us to be calmer people in our lives as well.

one other tip is that sometimes its frustrating to get in that meditative state, or trying to sleep, and then having to turn on the light and go through the process of physically writing - so what you can do instead is visualize a journal in your mind. picture one you love, as well as a style of writing/pen. for example, i immediately visualize old antique paper, and a caligraphy type pen, or quill.

then, write the descriptive words on the paper, one line devoted to each word (meaning dont write store, work, laundry... instead like this:
store
work
laundry)

see each stroke of the pen, the ink as it lays on the paper. it may take a few minutes to see the whole word completed, but you have to make sure you see every line as much as possible. you wont see every one of them 100%, not with a wandering mind - just see all the ones you can. continue down this list until you have run out of things to think of. make it a point not to think about the things either... meaning dont go out of your way to think on them - dont test if this works - let it work.

i find the moment i finish the word, the subject is out of my head and im not thinking on it anymore.

this also trains you to slow your mind, so its easier to get into the relaxed meditative state. it also helps guide you to not immediately analyze what you see. remember that when you do start to see or know something, dont analyze or record it. you will remember. remind yourself you will record later, just tell yourself you paid that movie ticket sit back and enjoy the show. you dont review a movie as you watch it, you wait til the end.

and above all remember that you wont get it the first time, or the second, or the third - it takes time and practice, because you need that time to train your mind. devote this first, and then you can move onto the spiritual advice.

[Dragon_Hacker]

hi, i have always had trouble performing meditation, and i have been greatly fascinated by people stories of being able to induce a obe, levitate, or channel a higher conciseness through meditation, and i would like to know some of the specifics of how his is done. i know that things such as channeling a higher conciseness is extremely dangerous if you don't know what your doing, or if you don't live a "proper" life, but i just plan to take baby steps over several months or years to achieve these things, and adjust my life accordingly, but my question is how are these feats performed, and how to accomplish them? any insight would be greatly appreciated. thank you.

[Jetamus]

i always have a hard time getting past the visualisation part....which is kinda restrictive.

often guided meditations that are available on the internet are many paragraphs long so for me to memorize something like that is a huge pain in the backside.

[noel1111]

i'm not really sure where this belongs i'm sure the mods can help me out with this :)

for sometime now i have been experiencing this bizarre i guess you can call it confusive state?? most of the time it occurs in the early am hours. i will be in a deep sleep then bam i'm wide awake and am completely confused. it's like im shocked awake by something. i lay there trying to figure out what it is i'm supposed to do or remember. i know there is a message and i should be doing something or there is something im not deciphering correctly like the time on the clock it for ex. if its 1:23 or 3:33 or 4:32 i feel its some sort of code i'm supposed to understand and it takes me awhile to realize no... its just the clock. and i always feel like i'm forgetting something really important.

sometimes this happens as i'm getting ready to go to sleep. i like to meditate as i find it helps me to sleep better. ( i sometimes struggle with insomnia) last night i was in this blank confused state again. i couldn't remember how i mediate. so again it started with... i know im supposed to do something... i'm missing a big key... and i have this overwhelming feeling that i have to get this right...then finally i decided maybe i'm just tired... the point is i've been in this pattern for months and i'm not sure what it is im supposed to be remembering how to do. it almost feels like there are certan steps i have to complete and i just can't remember what those steps are or what it is i'm trying to complete... and i can never remember what it is i was dreaming prior to this shocked awake confusion....

sorry if that sounds like incoherant babble... just wonder if anyone else has had any experiences like this?

[aqcheryl]

i always have a hard time getting past the visualisation part....which is kinda restrictive.

often guided meditations that are available on the internet are many paragraphs long so for me to memorize something like that is a huge pain in the backside.

i find theres only so far others can instruct us, and ultimately we dont need instruction. that causes us to analyze what were doing to make sure we are doing it right.

we are all different, not all will see things as opposed to knowing them. and not all will know, instead they have to see to know.

the greatest instruction i found in this is to just let go.

[Nomadess 2012]

ra, at one point, was discussing the benefits of using a crystal for its inter-dimensional properties. ra then said: "it may further be noted that water is a type of crystal"

"water is a conduit," a wise person told me once.

[LordDragon]

"water is a conduit," a wise person told me once.

i think that is why our bodies are made for over 70% out of water. it makes us very sensitive to electrical energy. crystals are also very useful with electric energy. and in fact we are all constant under electric energy, in very low amounts, but still mesurable. i often meditate with an engine in wich electricity and crystals and the body (water) are combined.

i posted some pictures of it in the meditation topic on the positive affirmations and prayers section of the forum.

http://www.divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11014&page=63

post nr 627

anyway, even witouth this engine crystals are very usefull in meditation. they can influence the chakras and help you with trauma's etc with the use of their energy field you can, as with the sound of singing bowls, reset the chakral energy.

blessings, ld.

[Nomadess 2012]

for sometime now i have been experiencing this bizarre i guess you can call it confusive state?? most of the time it occurs in the early am hours. i will be in a deep sleep then bam i'm wide awake and am completely confused. it's like im shocked awake by something. i lay there trying to figure out what it is i'm supposed to do or remember. i know there is a message and i should be doing something or there is something im not deciphering correctly like the time on the clock it for ex. if its 1:23 or 3:33 or 4:32 i feel its some sort of code i'm supposed to understand and it takes me awhile to realize no... its just the clock. and i always feel like i'm forgetting something really important.

i have a similar problem. it usually happens on mornings where i don't have to work ... so there's not that distraction of having to be somewhere. unlike you, i don't usually get jolted out of sleep, but it happens in the morning when i wake up. the morning anxiety of "what am i going to do today ... i'm forgetting to do something, ****, i need to do this, that ... blah blah blah." if i don't stop it, it actually makes me depressed throughout the day. i know that it comes solely from societal conditioning ... the mindset that we constantly need to be doing something. we can't just let ourselves relax. (on a side note, i have to tell you that i live on maui, i'm totally laid back, and i still get that anxiety! i swear, the things we do to ourselves in our minds) so i try and focus on taking a deep breath, relax, just be. and this: "everything i'm doing is okay."

i don't know if that's how you feel too, but for me it seems like the only way out of it is to at least meditate like that for a few minutes. all the suggestions on this thread are totally helpful.

if anyone has other anti-anxiety suggestions i'd love to hear! (excluding of course, pills ...)

[Art]

greetings all!

for most of us, it has been a turbulent ride lately. fortunately, enhanced awareness has allowed us to remain strong and continue growth.

months ago, i "departed" this forum to focus more energy on my family and career. while this certainly left a void, i have been able to make breakthroughs both in my personal relationships and career goals. i have written this before but will repeat again, i am moving ever closer to balance.

i am writing to share with you some insights i recently found which have greatly assisted me in grounding and centering. and its pretty basic - breathing and posture.

since i awakened to the inifite possibilities and beauty of total self and oneness, i began to practice meditation, with good results in the beginning. however, i would run into hurdles time and time again and the effects would be limited. there is no single practice that is best, individual needs can be met in a variety of ways and no two people are alike.

i have come to find the techniques i used had roots in yoga and "buddhism" for lack of a better descriptors. just recently, i made a small comparitive journey into taoist methods, which have had fantastic results in all aspects (physical, emotional, mental, etc.). the methods are very similar, and at the essence, the same energy is used and same connections are made.

however, there are some minor differences. i will not refer to specifics, but if you are interested, pm and i will share the source.

breathing: as most of us know, breathe through the nose deep into your being, belly outward. i made the mistake of pushing my chest forward as well. lately i have focused to keep the front of the chest still and allow my upper and lower back to expand. this has allowed more air to enter into my lungs, and combined with the belly action, has produced a noticeable massage of my internal organs and internal energy pathways.

posture: piggy-backing on the "chest out", my posture and center of balance was also affected for many years. breathing with your belly and back allows my spine to align more properly and for some reason has seemed to allow energy to flow in areas where i was unknowingly blocking it. upright, chest out, flat stomach may be attractive, but is not a good posture for centering/balancing/meditation. now i allow my shoulders and back to arch out more, which has brought on a "sag" in my upper chest, but i now have much less overall pain.

energy movement: when focusing on the chakras or energy centers, i always went bottom up. this taoist method starts at the crown and moves down to start. also, i previously knew of other energy centers in the body, but weren't as aware to their existence, focusing solely on the 7 main along the spine. when taking the total into account, energy has seemed to flow better.

essentially what i think i have stumbled upon is a good complement to the "buddhist" techniques already in use. i do not plan to abandon anything i have learned so far, just simply make additions. it is far to early to comment further, and i am no expert. and to some, this may seem like elementary information, but was a gap for me. hope this helps!

take care friends,
art :d

[HardKnockSoldi3r]

@[brand names] and others:

i realized this is 1 of 2 mian forms of meditation which you focus on something, rather than clearing your mind.

it's really easy if you build up a little focus, you don't hav to concentrate on bending metal spoons! lol. plus your focusing on something rather than clearing al thoughts. this might seem a little confusing, but i've meditated less than 20 times, and most of which is in this way as i will explain:

i noticed that sometimes as i tried to fall asleep; my mind would race because of my anxiety. it slowed down eventualy and went into a half-sleep state until i woke up about an hour later. i went to the bathroom mirror and noticed that my eyes looked more rfreshed thn 10 hours of sleep! now getting more into my other bodies, i seem to require less sleep.

so, one day, i decided that the racing thoughts had to stop. i concentrated on just trying to look at the thoughts and discard them rather than let them flow to more and more random thoughts. eventually, heres what happened:

it was in a meditation of focusing on something to help me sleep, and i didn't even realize it was an act of meditating. then, the idea or thought or imagry of floating above nothing but the middle of an ocean, with blue skies and a bright clear sun, and spinning weightlessly as if i were doing endless frontflips in zero-g while moving forward toward the suns direction. i had to focus on seeing the ocean/sun/sky as i was flipping in my body, through my eyes rather than viewing my body do it from a distance. i realized it was important to see that your spinning by seeing the ocean, then the sky, then the sun, ocean sky sun etc. the visualization of the setting is easy, where there is nothing else but ocean/sun/sky and your viewpoint but the spinning part is more difficult.

when i did this, my body and mind get the sensation of floating in "space!" it's such a sense of freedom and no stress, i guess joy in some way, but ultimatly calmness and feeling as if your in another plane, but lasts briefly.

it's the spinning sensation that is the purpose of this form of meditation, with the scenario working as reference point, mainly. as ra states that every form of energy has to spin to function (universe, galaxies, stars, planet, atoms, energy centers/chakras). sometimes, the harder i try to see the colors and how brilliant they can be, of he ocean, sky ans sun, and the sequence of seeing them as i flip, the more intense feelings i get. the feeling i get most often is that very similar to an astral projection, or oobe. if you've ever woken up and said to your self "i deffenitely was not on earth last night!" then this is the feeling you get, the more intense it gets the clearer you can see in the meditation.

i think this works so well rather than focusing on a feeling, or sound, as that hovering over an ocean is quite tangible rather than "invisioning a white spiraling vortex/cone of fire enter your crown chakra and fllow through your body" mmm, maybe in a year or two haha! i dont think beginners should have to try to invision/feel this advanced type of meditation; start with something you understand very well.

its what works best for you, then graduate to a higher level of meditation as you understand and experience it.

so, if you want to try it:

1-think of a place very open, and colorful. choose the colors based on the environment. ex: a lushious green field with blue skies and shining sun. (in advanced settings, imagine the sky as purple and pink while at sun set with lushious green field.) i would try the ocean/sky/sun scenario first as it's simple. make the scene cluterless and completely open. the better you focus on the colors, and how you move to mak it as real as possible, as if you are really there, the better the outcome. most of he time, i am in a spinning state no more than a few seconds, which is really all that it takes! as soon as you feel weightless, you did it. work on concentrating more and the spinning will will become more creative and ths more oppurtunity for the sensations of being there.

2-imagine "hovering over" the ocean/field and look at the sun. the sun is very inportant as its a good reference point. then start to front flip sowly seing the sun and sky, then the ocean and then the sky and sun again. rinse, wash, repeat. try to spin as you flip, or try flipping backwards. i found that imagining a "whooshing sound" as i flip helps alot! i recently tried to run accross a vacant, dry stretch of land (colors were bronze/tan red) at super speeds but that was dificult as it was just a thought out of the blue. i've tried spinning and flipping in space with just space and the sun and that worked sub-par.

i focused on this for about 5 minutes when actual "flipping" lasted only about a comined 30 seconds tops, which is quite long in my experience, and so (most of th time your in teh scenario, attempting the flipping/weightlessnss) trying to focus on flipping, and my legs started to feel like they were vibrating, or energy was surrounding them making them feel like how your body feels after a really good massage or like they were weightless and rejuvenated. im thinking this might be a way of astral projection because

1: i usually do this before sleeping,
2: i am conscious of being somewhere while my body is going to sleep (being "awake" while your body sleeps",
3: the sensation in my legs may be a precursor to the vibrating as felt in the entering of an oobe .

it's either giving me access to "dream world" or oobe but i'm not sure. i will continue. i've done this about 15 or less times so far.

i hope you try it if your interested! you can try it before bed and see how fast it works! or doit during the day while sitting. or hang upside down from a tree . . .mmm on second thought, dont try this way lol.

tell me what you think if you've tried it, i would really like to know what you experience!

[HardKnockSoldi3r]

sii if this works. i have anxiety, and this takes it away when i try to meditate

[mwr1026]

there's lots of good stuff in this thread. but peppered throughout are remarks about the idea that meditation is difficult, takes lots of practice to become effective, should be done this way or that, and in fact, the initial post solicited a system to achieve "efficient" meditative results.

all of this is the effort of the ego mind to "master" the process of meditation. obsession with control and efficiency is the hallmark of the ego. the problem is that the ego is not capable of meditation, is distrustful of meditation, and seeks to manipulate and control the concept of meditation so that it can remain in charge. the ego looks at things like euphoria and obes as proofs of spiritual superiority, and strives to find methodologies to achieve them, since such achievements would surely demonstrate to the ego that it is superior, or at least acceptable.

the key to meditation is to quiet the ego mind, as several have stated here. but the way to quiet the ego is not to arm wrestle it into submission. the only truly effective way to quiet ego is to observe it. nothing more is required. observe the thoughts that enter your mind as they come. as you do this, you become aware of the ego, and it becomes still. this happens instantly. it doesn't take hours or days or weeks of practice to achieve stillness of the ego. it happens every time you observe it and recognize it as ego.

the reason that observation is so quick and effective is that the ego wrongly believes itself to be who you are. when you observe its workings from the outside, you expose the fact that it is not the ego doing the observing, and thus the ego cannot be your true self. it is a small, logical, self-absorbed component of your neocortex. it is slow and clumsy in comparison to the deeper, faster, more powerful intuitive consciousness that is really the core of your being. when exposed, the ego wilts.

ego is self-absorbed, self-important, and voracious. it wrongly believes that it is the core of your being. it seeks to take all of your past experiences, digest them logically, and produce a manageable future from the data. in the process, it ignores the present moment. by observing the activity of the ego deliberately, you step back into the present moment, and your intuitive consciousness responds.

there is nothing else. all the techniques and methods and beliefs we carry about meditation can be helpful, but only if the ego is silent. this is because the conscious, intuitive self does not contain a shred of competitiveness and drops back into the shadows when asked to compete with ego. it simply is not capable of competing on ego's terms.

once you learn to expose (and thus disarm) the ego to your inner observer, all the various techniques and methods and philosophies of meditation can come into play, but only in the context of the observer's activity. if you are drawn to a technique, observe it taking place within your practice rather than trying to master it. remember, mastery is an ego function. never critique your skill or the quality of your meditative experience. your conscious self is non-judgemental, and seeks pure experience, regardless of its "quality". it flees when the ego dominates, but flourishes when the ego is silent. and observation is the most direct way, the simplest way, maybe the only way, to silence the ego.

i have found that at all times, regardless of my mood or circumstances, i can activate the observer, and thus be present and clear. this has completely changed my life. it is a constantly and instantly accessible meditative state.

[Nirvana]

from my experience atleast, i have never really read anything or adopted any methods into my meditation. iv been meditating for about three weeks every day. i can sit longer and longer, it becomes more and more silent.

i personally think that if you really deep down want to meditate, there's no right or wrong, no ups and downs. if happens automatically.

its like your higher self is like ..hey! meditating are we? sweet! keep it up and we might even have a chat in not too long! i will show you what to do, just believe in me and keep practicing.

and while your meditating, ask yourself: "what is the intentions behind this meditation"? ask yourself this question untill you finally answer truthfully, straight from the soul - from my experience this sort of triggers a little piece of the cosmos to unveil for you. if you choose to look for it in the split second it shows itself.

i think its verry, verry important what others have stated earlier. that you have to take the mindset you are in while meditating with you out the door. smile, just smile. accept things as they happen and never doubt your own judgement. there is no right or wrong, only choice.

[MichaelFromGod]

whaz,

is that not the time to meditate formost!, sounds like a challenge, good luck.

michael


well. as far as all of the information i have read on meditaton, there are 2 basic methods.

in any meditation, you most likely want to use deep even breaths. you breath into your belly, letting it expand before you fill your chest. i call these buddah breaths cause it gives you a nice round belly :p. breath in at a comfortable pace, as you get deeper into your meditation, you'll notice your breath coming slower and more relaxed.

1. focus on something.

2. focus on clearing the mind.

meditate peacefully for anywhere upwards of 15 minuets. i find that short meditations help me feel connected to my spiritual side and can help me get through the day. longer meditations end up making me feel very relaxed and 'deep', which may help you connect to your higher self (i feel).

the important part of meditation is simply finding what works for you. once you find that, stick with it and be consistent. don't go into this thinking that every meditation will be a mystical experience, it won't be. meditation is about learning how to listen quietly. some days you'll hear quite a bit, other days you will only hear silence. both are equally important, so don't get frustrated.


and for you other mediators out there,
i have a question of my own i've been wanting to ask.

i often avoid meditating if i'm stressed out, or not feeling well or feeling 'negative' in any way. for some reason i feel it's wrong to go into a highly suggestible state while not already feeling positive. another part of me feels this is counter intuitive and that meditating regularly is more important than 'being in the zone' when meditating. what are your thoughts?

love and light!

[Nirvana]

greetings freinds!



i really want to know what others have spesifically experience during meditation, lets have a chat about that shall we? :) i just feel like i really want to share my little experience with you, so i cant stop writing! aww.

20 minutes ago i just had my first sucsessfull meditation. and oh boy how powerfull it was, i had no idea experiences like this could come to you simply sitting at home in a char.

first of all, i know what dw and alot of others have been saying. iv also read the whole law of one and other similiar channeling materials. theres actually a channeler in norway channeling an tibetan priest of some sort. i cant imagine it beeing made up. if it is its more work fooling others than the benefits from it. pm for link btw, the channelings are downloadable in pdf.

so yes i believe, and im starting to wonder if im here now for a reason (i think alot of us are here at this time on purpose)

but enough of that, onwards to my little meditation session. i hope this can help others to balance themself and bring piece to our fragile biovehicles.

iv been meditating for a month now, perhaps 4-5 times a week, not a whole lot(so im not an expert, i havent ready any books) but today i did it a little differently. i did it almost right after getting up from bed, i didnt eat anything before meditating either. i listened to one of those ascension help meditation youtube clippies, totally random act anyway.

as i sit, i breathe really slowly. i cant emphasize on how important breathing obviously is. i slowly visualize a glowing white ball over my head, my higher self, shooting white beams of light into my head. slowly spreading through my whole body (sometimes its hard to visualize, but just trying really helps i think!) my body goes number, my thoughts slowly fading, as i accept them and throw them away. i breathe even slower, and i can wait a minute beforing inhaling again. i cant feel my body now, i dont even know what time has passed. geometry starts dancing in my mind, and sometimes flashes of light in complex patterns tease me before i can focus on them. but i remain calm, i accept it, not yet.. not yet.

by now surges of energy is moving through my body nonstop, it feels like every hair on my body is saluting something. my skull is sort of warm and cold at the same time, and tingling, like my hair is blowing in the wind.

now this is where it becomes too powerfull for me to continue..

as energy keeps surging around, it stops... i inhale really deep.. and when i exhale.. an explosion. i cant describe in any other way. it explodes. i cant feel my physical body, only my 'energy' body or what its called. for a split second i am not of this world! - the energy shoots up through my legs, stomach throat and finally is bursting into my head. this is where i loose feeling of space\time myself and everything else, and it gets kind of creepy.

so i stopped... yes i stopped.. again the little pinch of fear i have left for the paranormal stops me... guess i have work to do with my inner demons before i can finally be free of mind. i felt dizzy, energy has gone insano no, its like its waiting for me to accept it and let it flow through the crown.. but i wont let it.. its still not gone.. 40 minutes after..

tears came streaming down my face, and i cry(and i cry maybe once every five years).. and then i laugh. in the end i just sit still and smile. god talked to me today. :rolleyes:

also as a sidenote. i got a hot tip from someone to ask your higher self or spirit guides to help you open the crown chakra, so i did. at first it was kind of jokingly.. but the second time i asked with sincerity and love. and they sure listen i can tell you.

so, this ended up alot longer than planned, but anyone had any similar experiences, or other experiences? whats your best tips for meditating? even though meditating works best through your personal relation to it, it still helps hearing others saying its possible, and not as hard as some poeple think. i just had to share this with you, i just had to.

what do you think? :)

[spiritual]

i've always been fascinated with levitation and wondered what are the steps i would have to go through. i heard that meditation can induce levitation but, i'm just not sure what to do.

if anyone can give me some enlightenment on meditation, levitation and there connection
i would appreciate it greatly. - robert

[Nirvana]

depends on what you mean by the term 'levitation'. if you're thinkin about flying to school and that sort of stuff, thats not part of our reality.. yet.

but iv done some levitating and stuff, but they are mostly induced by a dream --> lucid dream --> out of body of some sort.

but mediting does help you do those kind of things, indirectly. the more centered you are, the higher probablity of things like levitation can happen because you are more aware of the power within your concsiousness.

remember that dreams can be extremely powerfull, iv had a few that blew me away and made me sit and stare at nothing for hours. i would reccomend meditating on a daily basis, and furthermore, learn to remember your dreams! that's the first step towards lucid dreaming. and lucid dreams can really give you a ride you will never forget.


you can do it!

love & light
mike

[HardKnockSoldi3r]

i usually lie down when i meditate, and i dont fall asleep because i'm trying to focus my awareness.

thoughts create things.
my specialty is music, not colors. since they both are equally a part of the octave, either one will work.

i meditated last night, and decided that i would think of some tones and repeat them in my head. the higher octave notes, like c above middle c and above really grabbed my awareness. if the tones were right, and crisp enough, then my consciousness would react profoundly. i would just start to enter a trance and a bright flash would come over my vision. right in the center! this flash usually occurs to the sides, but not this time.

also i had a red flash of light, which is new.

[ILoveCoffee]

i tried meditation, and it works. i just can't get to certain levels yet. in my opinion, it's a good thing during stress or during better times. however, one night i fell asleep doing it and really felt much better. it seems that it helps me deal with stress, but i probably get more out of it when i'm not, you know, too stressed.

[Ens Entium]

hey

intererstingly enough, when i was a child, a sunday school teacher conducted a meditation. it was very long ago so i do not remember it very clearly, but it involved pure tones and imagining walking up a flight of ever brighter stairs.. i had an out-of-body experience! it was really profound.

i wondered if anyone has any thoughts on how the obe experience was facilitated? i find this very intriguing.. any thoughts?

also, and as an extension, does anyone know of specific meditation methods that encourage, induce, obes?

input will be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance.

kyle

[Ens Entium]

hey

intererstingly enough, when i was a child, a sunday school teacher conducted a meditation. it was very long ago so i do not remember it very clearly, but it involved pure tones and imagining walking up a flight of ever brighter stairs.. i had an out-of-body experience! it was really profound.

i wondered if anyone has any thoughts on how the obe experience was facilitated? i find this very intriguing.. any thoughts?

also, and as an extension, does anyone know of specific meditation methods that encourage, induce, obes?

input will be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance.

kyle

[evolving]

when i was a child...

i wondered if anyone has any thoughts on how the obe experience was facilitated? i find this very intriguing.. any thoughts?

the pertinent point in this question was the first line. children are more capable of obes than adults. if you seek to understand obe's there are those that have knowledge


also, and as an extension, does anyone know of specific meditation methods that encourage, induce, obes?

intent is far more powerful than generally acknowledged or understood, though a wheel that does not turn will not travel. in the silence one hears the answers. meditate, if you desire to know, brother.

[BlueSpiral]

funny...i just posted a thread on obe...i believe it is easier in younger people...i'm exploring how to get this ability back...i used to do it daily. works best when napping in late morning. lie on your back as your nearly falling asleep. focus your attention on your third eye, like you're gently crossing your eyes. you will begin to hear the vibrations. they are very loud. this is what used to scare me. continue to focus on teh vibration and imagine you self sitting up. in your mind sit up but don't move your body. also lift up your hands. as you separate, the vibration noise will go away. you will also be paralyzed, but don't freak out as this can also be scary. once you are out you can actually see your light body...run your "hand" behind your head and you can sweep the silver cord in front of you and look at it. although i can't do this anymore, i remember it and know it was real...and i have always known because of doing this at a young age, that we are so much more than our bodies...we simply have a "body vehicle"

[Mystical Sadhu]

most of all, every talent beyond what's considered normal in contemporary human life are arrived at through a steady and resilient relationship with the universe as a singularity and as your bestest friend.

yogis know that this is a hologramatic universe. as such, whatever one ponders, experiences, expresses is predicated by the universe's capacity to be and do such also. contemplating the universe in its wholeness -- that is, without sectism -- polishes one's own being refreshingly with reclaiming an accurate reflection of the universe itself without kinks and quirks stifling one's fulfillment in this human incarnation.

skills predicating levitation capabilities include out-of-body capabilities, lucid dreaming, remote viewing, astral travel -- whether awake or asleep -- steadiness of rapport, constancy of sincerity, and certainty of fulfillment. any and all such skills are acheived through the tantrika's practice of dharana. if a person can do those listed above comfortable, then levitation is close within your grasp.



i've always been fascinated with levitation and wondered what are the steps i would have to go through. i heard that meditation can induce levitation but, i'm just not sure what to do.

if anyone can give me some enlightenment on meditation, levitation and there connection
i would appreciate it greatly. - robert

[ILoveCoffee]

hey

intererstingly enough, when i was a child, a sunday school teacher conducted a meditation. it was very long ago so i do not remember it very clearly, but it involved pure tones and imagining walking up a flight of ever brighter stairs.. i had an out-of-body experience! it was really profound.

i wondered if anyone has any thoughts on how the obe experience was facilitated? i find this very intriguing.. any thoughts?

also, and as an extension, does anyone know of specific meditation methods that encourage, induce, obes?

input will be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance.

kyle

i also had a teacher who tried it with us once. however, it didn't work for me. i also did not know how to do it.

i think it is important to do it at the right times. my problem is that there have been a couple of nights when i would meditate before sleep. i would sleep well and the next day also have more energy. one time i did this and the next day, i felt totally different (not necessarily in a good way). i don't know if i will do it before bed anytime soon, oh, and the next day i got into two arguements.
during the day i also meditate, because it helps me deal with stress. it is a good technique, but it needs to be done correctly in whatever method.

[ltpg97]

greetings one and all. i am new to this forum but have been "awake" to the reality david mentions on his site since 2001. i am fully understand what is going on in regards to the new world order and the ufo/et issue.

my question is this: how do i meditate properly and what should i expect if i do. sadly, i was raised to believe that meditation is meaningless. i disagree.

if i'm aware and awake to what is going on and waking up the people in my community, thank goodness, does that mean i'm on the right track to expect a positive evolution within me and those around me?

god bless you,
patrick

[ltpg97]

greetings everyone! i have a question about meditation. i've never done it and i fear the unexpected. is meditation necessary as we draw closer to 2012 and how do i properly do it? what should i expect when i do it?

also, i've been both service to self and service to others. i am fully aware of what's going on with the illuminati and ufo/et issue. i have waken up many in my community. should i expect a positive future for myself and those around me?

god bless you all

[4D+Bound]

the first thing to understand is there is two types of meditation.

the first type is when you close your eyes and clear your mind to attain a peaceful state of being. the way i do this is is to sit "indian" style, close my eyes, concentrate on breath. long slow and deep in, and then just as long out. i find if i am really stressed out to extend the exhale to twice the length of the inhale. this particular breathing exercise will help your body absorb more oxygen. then i consciously make an effort to empty my mind by repeating a mantra in my head. i usually use two mantra for this type of meditation. the first i learned in martial arts and that to slowly repeat the thought "empty as a rice bowl." the second i use i learned from remote viewing training and that mantra is "deeeeeeeeeep thetaaaaaaa"(again slowly). it's important to stretch the thought out like that with the vowel sounds in your head. it will slow your perception of time. when it feels calming you can stop the mantra and just focus on breath once you've attained your peaceful state. there are other meditative practitioners that chant, hum or otherwise vocalize mantra. i have not yet added this into my practice but the benefits are incredible. it has to do with vibration and acoustical bone conduction, you end up making your skeleton into a consciously stimulated harmonic device, a bone tuning fork. you can change the pitch of the vibration to help alleviate, stave off, or cure certain ailments similar to the function of the rife machine accept it's already built into your body (a big thank you to god for that one.)

the other kind of meditation is called visualization meditation. this is a meditative practice where in you visualize what you want or need and basically ask the cosmos (hopefully nicely) to make it reality for you. a synonym to help you conceptualize that visualization meditation is the word "prayer" or "pray". in fact there is a large visualization meditation event coming up on 11/11/10. the event's website gives an exercise on how to meditate visually. i hope all those awake will participate as the effect is not multiplied but in fact exponential according to quantum mechanics in proportion to the source. the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

http://divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14547

a big thank you to our otherself kreecher for posting this wonderful information about this event.

a final thought is that there is no "correct way" to meditate. everyone gets to their peaceful state differently. some like music while they meditate, some don't. some burn incense while they practice, some don't. some silently meditate while others can be rather loud. so experiment with what's out there and see what works for you. try my methods, try other methods until you find one that fits like a comfortable pair of slippers.

[love oneness]

have a read of this before meditation and just see what happens. its really short, starts on the third page, probs best to read all 28 questions.

http://www.messagefrommasters.com/ebooks/ramana_maharshi_books/who_am_i.pdf

it really speaks for itself.

[ltpg97]

for me, i've for the most part, found it difficult to try and meditate because i have extremely bad allergies that i've had since birth. i am a wanderer but how can i meditate if i have a hard time breathing through my nose?

[golden otter]

when i'm stuffy, i just do the inhale and exhale through the mouth. it's fine, better to not let a stuffy nose keep you from meditating :)

[Dakotah]

i have never been able to meditate very easily. but just recently i began listening to solfeggio tones, also called sedona frequencies on the tones i downloaded (for free) recently. (just do a google search if you are interested.) by just listening to the tone it becomes a meditation for me. it's extremely relaxing. all six tones take about 42 minutes to listen to.

the main side effect i have noticed is i feel more relaxed through the day and i also feel as if time has slowed down for me. i no longer feel as if someone is holding down the fast forward button on my life.

i mean, i do believe and recognize that time is speeding up as we head towards 2012, but i feel really grateful to have found this reprieve.

the instructions said to just concentrate on the tone. i find this pretty easy to do. each of the six tones actually has its own purpose, such as healing grief and relationships. i don't seem to have a lot of mind chatter when i listen to these tones, which was a problem i always had with meditation.

the tones are said to have been recovered from the original gregorian chants. i am paraphrasing here. supposedly, in the past these healing tones were lost or hidden.

[4D+Bound]

yes the solfeggio frequencies are derived from the sweet baritone voices of the gregorian chanters. the benefits of including them in your daily routine are extraordinary. we hear in two ways, with your ears is called air conduction, and the act of "feeling" sound is bone conduction. you can multiply the effects of the frequencies even further by getting something to conduct the sound to your skeleton. the application of the wrong frequencies can be detrimental so use care when exposing yourself to any auditory meditation aid.

those whom have trouble breathing deeply should seek the advices of a homeopath to try to figure out some natural remedies. even if it is just to combat the symptoms for the duration of your meditation. perhaps some sort of natural antihistamine or nasal spray. maybe a bronchial dilator of some sort. when i am stuffed up or am feeling nasal or wheeze from chest congestion i burn some eucalyptus incense to help open my air passages. also a nice steam bath while meditating is also helpful for the respiratory system, the water vapor is the key, just go in the bathroom and close the door and turn the shower on full blast hot (don't be in the tub unless you like to be scalded). i am not a health professional or anything, just applying a little logic to the situation. if it is not however caused by allergens and instead caused by something like a deviated septum, (which you should ask your doctor if you have one if you don't know for sure, western medicine is still good for something at least.) the procedure that fixes that problem works like a miracle.

one love,

4d+

[Uzbazbiel]

i find that mindfulness meditation is the only real meditation. one needs to focus on the location of their spirit. focus on your breath keeps your focus location on the inside of your body so your mind doesn't wander. if your mind wanders you'll loose focus. and if you loose focus then all of these other meditations that attempt to accomplish anything is not very effective. mastering mindfulness is the key.