Food Matters - Uncovering the sickness industry

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.foodmatters.tv/trailer.php

be well, be love.

david

food matters - uncovering the sickness industry

the focus of the film is in helping us rethink the belief systems fed to us by our modern medical and health care establishments. our teachers point out that not every problem requires costly, major medical attention and reveal many alternative therapies that can be more effective, more economical, less harmful and less invasive.

[BodhiQ]

it is wonderful to become more conscious to the 'food game', of this there is no question. but as a trainer and recoverer of health, i am wary of the extremists. now this doesn't mean i would ever eat a fast food burger or fries, cause i wouldn't ..yet elitist ideologies like raw foodism, and veganism is tooted as the magic cure. even one of the so called nutritionists in the trailer david wolfe came out many years ago with...all cooked food is poison. which led to feeling those who eat meat or can't afford organic produce is somehow lesser nutritionally and spiritually than those that do. spending $1000's a month on so called super foods ain't an answer either. food does matter, but it ain't the only thing. be aware. just cause some claim to be about love and against the corporations doesn't mean they won;t turn around and do the same thing when power and money come into the picture. stay awake people.

[FooSnik]

this stuff is complicated. i agree with you bodhiq in that you should always be wary of extremists. but raw foods has been show to cure diabetes according to this documentary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynxga6fcegu

raw foods, of course, is not the cure all because there are always emotional and psychosomatic reasons for illnesses and diseases as well.

i read a dali llama saying once that went something like this but i cannot remember the exact words:


it matters less what goes in your mouth and much more what comes out.

in other words i think to put yourself in an energetically positive environment and state of mind will be the most valuable.

thanks for the great topic,
foo

[BodhiQ]

thank you foo.

to clarify i didn't mean i was against raw foods. i eat a huge amount of raw foods. in my house we call them 'salads': ) i eat a huge one with all my meals. as well as fresh fruits and juices. there is much wisdom in knowing how to prepare and have variety when it comes to vegies and fruits. that being said i was referring to the dogmatic elitism of some diet methodologies, especially when they link fear, guilt, spirituality, and holier than thou concepts with ones well-being. i've seen many many food phobias and eating disorders created by such practices.

be discerning.

bq

[johnasmodeus]

i don't see any reason to be particularly afraid of militant vegetarians at this point. at least not until they get a lobby in washington. i do, however, get the funny feeling that a lot of what this movie is going to tell us will be identical to what came from cayce sixty or seventy years ago. in short:

80% fruits and veggies to 20% meats and carbohydrates, not the opposite, is what we should be eating;

the less processed something is, the better it is for you;

and dietary and lifestyle changes, for both treatment and prevention, are preferable to medical intervention, whether that means drugs or invasive surgery.

i can't wait to see it.

[FooSnik]

i totally agree with you both. it is of the utmost importance in these times to be able to discern what information to trust. it can be dizzying trying to figure who has what agenda and who is genuinely trying to do the right thing. and then there are those who are genuinely trying to do the right thing but are unknowingly misleading people. like the blind leading the blind. oh boy, it will drive you mad these days. :rolleyes:

and i absolutely agree with the 80/20 diet. it makes sense to me and keeps your body alkaline which is so important.

i would like to inject one last agreement. as you said earlier, bodhiq, i also hate the fact that it costs me almost $30 a day to shop at the organic foods market so that i can eat healthily. i simply cannot put that processed, chemical matter into my body anymore but at a consequence i am nearly doubling my food expenses. i suppose i will have to expand my financial capacity to fit it in.

thanks again,
foo

[johnasmodeus]

i would like to inject one last agreement. as you said earlier, bodhiq, i also hate the fact that it costs me almost $30 a day to shop at the organic foods market so that i can eat healthily.

this is an important point as well. the food industry has gotten so used to making money off of cheap, unhealthy food that real prices for healthy food have gone up. prices won't come down unless the entire industry puts the kind of money into organic infrastructure that they put into infrastructure for the way they're doing it now.

[Answer_in_the_Stars]

if man made it, then don't eat it.:)

[BodhiQ]

i agree with you both. 80/20 is the way i go...though i didn't know edgar said that: ) i am lucky i live in la and some of the best and cheapest organic foods around even though they cost a little more. blessings to you all. i like the vibe on this forum.

bq

[transiten]

hi all

also the cattle are adding hughe amounts of carbonoxide to the global warming, one cow is equivalent to a car driving 1000 swedish miles a year!!! you'll have to look up the differences to your "mile"yourself, i'm off to paradisland where no cars are allowed and i will be totally alone, except for my dog, on a white shore that i cleaned myself and eat bread from organically grown flour and fairtrade coffe reading a book about the right relationship by two native americans.

the sun is shining, am i lucky today? liliane and pazzo voff!

[BodhiQ]

well chosen words trans....they took we with you or the wish that i could. but i will think or you as i fast today and walk along the polluted yet lovely beach of venice: )

much love.

[Rhonda]

the video is good reminder about balance. balance in all original creation. somethings we might be able to improve on, others they were design to improve already.

example; cattle serve as an excellent natural fertilizer. all they consume is grass and water from earth. they thus give this back to mother earth and it is re-processed into our soil to enrich it for more growth thus our vegetation and crops. however, we have taken it into our own hands to over use our lands without proper breaks or rotations for regeneration of its natural ability to produce.


also the cattle are adding hughe amounts of carbonoxide to the global warming, one cow is equivalent to a car driving 1000 swedish miles a year!!!


when you are planting your own veg. garden this spring, what is one of the main ingredients we add back into our soils, natural by-products of our cows

[vithar]

don't think the 80/20 thing is right. only certain fruits are beneficial and mostly in the antioxidant arena. i wanted to be a fruitarian but it was'nt working. veggies are better.
to, grains are out. read about it. try mercola.com.

i go with very little; whole food supplements, organic eggs, brown rice pasta, broccoli, spinach or chard, onion or garlic, carrots, bananas, apples, nuts!, a little lamb or veal, safe salmon, organic cheese and kidney beans. this has been my staple for years. yes, i'm thin.

i'm thankful for the folks coming up with stuff like sun chlorella, um, whole food supplements, mms, finding fulvic (have'nt even tried it but seems to be mandatory) etc.

bladderwrack is good to as it has all the trace minerals. stuff like this...

[Natural Mystic]

hello all
i am curious, those that are vegetarian/vegan how does not eating meat vibrate with your body? and to those that are working out their bodies as well... do you go without meats and use other means for protien?
all other opinions on this subject is more than welcome.
thank you
namaste

[FooSnik]

hello all
i am curious, those that arevegetarian/vegan how does not eating meat vibrate with your body? and to those that are working out their bodies as well... do you go without meats and use other means for protien?
all other opinions on this subject is more than welcome.
thank you
namaste

i second this question because my heart wants to be vegetarian/vegan but i have such a high energy job that i feel like i need the dense proteins from animals to keep up. i would love to hear the answer to this question.

is it possible to sustain a high level of energy on veggies alone? and if so then please tell me exactly what?

[mellisamouse]

wow, sounds nice. :)

i am just turned off of meat more and more personally, and proccessed food i feel i might as well go eat some styrofoam, lol.

i am trying to grow as much food indoors as possible, and outdoors in the spring summer etc. it is really fun actually...you kinda feel like your foods "mother" a bit when you plant it and water it yourself.....plus i probly talk to them much more than the normal person, hahaha. ;)

[BodhiQ]

this is exactly the kind of thing i was concerned would occur. let me explain to you people. let me try and make this plain and nourish some common sense. that little diddy on youtube was so biased it wasn't funny. you notice they didn't say what the people with the heart disease actually ate and or how they ate it. it doesn't mention if they smoked, drank, worked out, led a miserable live, stress. this is huge people!! now listen...we as a people can adapt to any kind of so called eating if we either have to or believe we should. the mind is powerful. i would never tell someone what they should do. if you don't like meat...great...there are lots of info out there for a plant based diet. but meats aren't the problem nor is plants the cure all. thinking this way is very dangerous. we need to keep our eye on the real ball here. people have been eating meats for thousands of years. why only recently are we having heart disease and so on. give up the non foods first!! let go the sugars, the processed foods, margarine, pasteurized milk, etc. do that first. eating lots of vegies should be a given. but you dont have to be vegan to do it. and stop feeling guilty. it only makes you do more of what you say you don't want to do. it's a total mind f%#@! vegan is cool. vegetarian is cool if..i say if it works for you. wisdom can be applied to many ways of walking thru this life. the will do live, inner joy, purpose, do more for the body that any food could ever do.

[FooSnik]

this is exactly the kind of thing i was concerned would occur. let me explain to you people. let me try and make this plain and nourish some common sense. that little diddy on youtube was so biased it wasn't funny. you notice they didn't say what the people with the heart disease actually ate and or how they ate it. it doesn't mention if they smoked, drank, worked out, led a miserable live, stress. this is huge people!! now listen...we as a people can adapt to any kind of so called eating if we either have to or believe we should. the mind is powerful. i would never tell someone what they should do. if you don't like meat...great...there are lots of info out there for a plant based diet. but meats aren't the problem nor is plants the cure all. thinking this way is very dangerous. we need to keep our eye on the real ball here. people have been eating meats for thousands of years. why only recently are we having heart disease and so on. give up the non foods first!! let go the sugars, the processed foods, margarine, pasteurized milk, etc. do that first. eating lots of vegies should be a given. but you dont have to be vegan to do it. and stop feeling guilty. it only makes you do more of what you say you don't want to do. it's a total mind f%#@! vegan is cool. vegetarian is cool if..i say if it works for you. wisdom can be applied to many ways of walking thru this life. the will do live, inner joy, purpose, do more for the body that any food could ever do.

let me say just one small thing. maybe the closer to 2012 we are getting the more sensitive and lighter we are becoming. the closer we are to actually psychically sharing thoughts and feelings with each other, the planet and the animals. as if you take on others emotions as your own. in other words, ask me to go out and kill an animal right now to eat it, i don't think i could do it. call me a sissy, or whatever, but i think the lighter our bodies become and the more psychically advanced we become then the lighter and less dense our diets become. kind of like the way buddhist monks are vegetarian. because they want a very light diet so as not to disturb their meditation. the thing is we are in this weird transition point right now. my heart is 4d but i am still living in this 3d world. i want to eat light and healthy like i am in the 4d but i am still trying to keep up with this meat grinder of a 3d world. does that make sense?

i think what you are referring to is like liberal fascism, and i whole heartedly agree with you on that. anything fascist should be avoided.

cheers mate,
foo

[BodhiQ]

you know what i realize. alot of it is about 'false posturing'. people come into the spiritual movement thing, they are taught about dense foods and higher spiritual beings and how they lived and they start to try and reprogram their way of life not based on their feeling and experience but wanting to act like those people. in my opinion if you can't get deep in your meditation simply because you ate a burger then baby you ain't got it. you feel me?

i go thru periods of time where my body and my spirit truly have no desire or taste for meats. i go with it. i juice more. eat lighter and so on. perhaps it is a cleansing...i don't know i just listen and trust. then i'll feel like some fish or chicken whatever and i go with that. i don't notice any higher spiritual realms when i don't eat meat as when i do. it's not like some god or universal spirit is now diggin me more cause i gave up the meat...that is just plain silly. i say this not to insult anyone. nor to tout the greatness of eating meat. what i am saying is in truth...it really isn't the point. and those that think spirituality is all about meat or no meat are lost. they are grasping at straws trying to justify their lack of awareness. be truthful with yourselves. grow up spiritually! own your power.
go thru what you gotta go thru. be real. do the work..walk your path and see what you see. and if you give up meat...cool. but if you do and you turn around and try and act like doing so is more spiritual and so on...then back to the cushion you go entity cause ya lost it: )

peace,

[FooSnik]

you know what i realize. alot of it is about 'false posturing'. people come into the spiritual movement thing, they are taught about dense foods and higher spiritual beings and how they lived and they start to try and reprogram their way of life not based on their feeling and experience but wanting to act like those people. in my opinion if you can't get deep in your meditation simply because you ate a burger then baby you ain't got it. you feel me?

i go thru periods of time where my body and my spirit truly have no desire or taste for meats. i go with it. i juice more. eat lighter and so on. perhaps it is a cleansing...i don't know i just listen and trust. then i'll feel like some fish or chicken whatever and i go with that. i don't notice any higher spiritual realms when i don't eat meat as when i do. it's not like some god or universal spirit is now diggin me more cause i gave up the meat...that is just plain silly. i say this not to insult anyone. nor to tout the greatness of eating meat. what i am saying is in truth...it really isn't the point. and those that think spirituality is all about meat or no meat are lost. they are grasping at straws trying to justify their lack of awareness. be truthful with yourselves. grow up spiritually! own your power.
go thru what you gotta go thru. be real. do the work..walk your path and see what you see. and if you give up meat...cool. but if you do and you turn around and try and act like doing so is more spiritual and so on...then back to the cushion you go entity cause ya lost it: )

peace,

sure man, i know what you are saying. if i may quote myself here in which i was quoting the dali llama earlier in this thread:


it matters less what goes in your mouth and much more what comes out.

but i have to say that if you are trying to have a deep session of meditation then eating a huge bowl of spaghetti and meatballs right beforehand is probably not a good idea. :p

lemme ask you a question. when do you do your best meditation? while you are doing a juice fast or after a big burger and fries?

[Natural Mystic]

awesome, thanks for the responses *thumbs up*

[BodhiQ]

lemme ask you a question. when do you do your best meditation? while you are doing a juice fast or after a big burger and fries?

well i'll tell ya...like many i bought into the judgment thing to for awhile. i did. i was spiritually arrogant in many ways. i would look at someone doing what i was taught was unspiritual things. and when i was being a good spiritual boy and eating all my vegies and eating such and such foods and did my chanting and all that i had amazing meditations. then one day i was feeling weird, sorta like being depressed. i skipped meditation class and wandered the city(i was living in nyc then) i had what i was told a low spiritual craving. i wanted a burger!! or perhaps a few slices of pizza....with pepperoni or course. and i did. i went to a cool burger place and had one with the works. washed it down with two coronas and took my bad ass to get some ice cream just to do the job right. when i finished my nutritional and spiritual debauchery i went for a walk around the city. i could feel the programming beginning to take effect. i felt lesser now. i've eaten bad foods. i immediately promised i would begin a cleanse the very next day. to get my 'pureness' back, cause clearly i lost it...right? a voice within me asked.."are u sure?". why do i feel this way? in a flash, my childhood flashed before me. my weight challenges as a boy. my search for answers. the new age movement programming. how good it felt to constantly redeem myself over and over. the proverbial see-saw. spirit told me it is all a thought. a choice. to prove it i went home and sat on my meditation cushion. i sat with my less holier than thou bloated belly, my slight beer buzzed state, my "i know dairy is bad for me" belief and i called it god!!! why would a universe hold itself against me cause i ate a burger?? thats as ridiculous as believing i have to be saved by jesus!! same crap! this night began my next phase of spiritual development. something clicked that night. no longer would i blindly follow anyone. no longer would i accept something simply because someone else experienced it. a positive arrogance began to befall me. that night my mind stilled like never before. a peace came over me like never before. i owned my illusion. as bruce lee said "i found the source of my ignorance".

so my answer to you bro....it makes no difference what i eat to go within. no difference at all. why? cause i said so!! who knew my mother was right all along when she would answer my endless whys with "cause i said so": )

of course...other things can get in the way now...hahahaha, and i'm working on those. the game is the game people. the ride is the ride.

peace and blessings,
ps...of course all things being equal i dealt with my addictions earlier on my path. i speak not to beginners necessarily. sometimes we need a little structure to get going. i know this can be the case.

[FooSnik]

well i'll tell ya...like many i bought into the judgment thing to for awhile. i did. i was spiritually arrogant in many ways. i would look at someone doing what i was taught was unspiritual things. and when i was being a good spiritual boy and eating all my vegies and eating such and such foods and did my chanting and all that i had amazing meditations. then one day i was feeling weird, sorta like being depressed. i skipped meditation class and wandered the city(i was living in nyc then) i had what i was told a low spiritual craving. i wanted a burger!! or perhaps a few slices of pizza....with pepperoni or course. and i did. i went to a cool burger place and had one with the works. washed it down with two coronas and took my bad ass to get some ice cream just to do the job right. when i finished my nutritional and spiritual debauchery i went for a walk around the city. i could feel the programming beginning to take effect. i felt lesser now. i've eaten bad foods. i immediately promised i would begin a cleanse the very next day. to get my 'pureness' back, cause clearly i lost it...right? a voice within me asked.."are u sure?". why do i feel this way? in a flash, my childhood flashed before me. my weight challenges as a boy. my search for answers. the new age movement programming. how good it felt to constantly redeem myself over and over. the proverbial see-saw. spirit told me it is all a thought. a choice. to prove it i went home and sat on my meditation cushion. i sat with my less holier than thou bloated belly, my slight beer buzzed state, my "i know dairy is bad for me" belief and i called it god!!! why would a universe hold itself against me cause i ate a burger?? thats as ridiculous as believing i have to be saved by jesus!! same crap! this night began my next phase of spiritual development. something clicked that night. no longer would i blindly follow anyone. no longer would i accept something simply because someone else experienced it. a positive arrogance began to befall me. that night my mind stilled like never before. a peace came over me like never before. i owned my illusion. as bruce lee said "i fought the source of my ignorance".

so my answer to you bro....it makes no difference what i eat to go within. no difference at all. why? cause i said so!! who knew my mother was right all along when she would answer my endless whys with "cause i said so": )

of course...other things can get in the way now...hahahaha, and i'm working on those. the game is the game people. the ride is the ride.

peace and blessings,
ps...of course all things being equal i dealt with my addictions earlier on my path. i speak not to beginners necessarily. sometimes we need a little structure to get going. i know this can be the case.

man, i am humbled and blessed by your story. i think that what you experienced was a form of fascism, and and you were made to feel bad because you didn't fit into what they said was the perfect way to be. i have experienced that myself and i can totally empathize with you. there is no perfect way to be. there is just your path and your way of being.

so i just want to say that i have fully appreciated your posts, and like you said, we all have to find our own path.

:)

peace

[mellisamouse]

you know what i realize. alot of it is about 'false posturing'. people come into the spiritual movement thing, they are taught about dense foods and higher spiritual beings and how they lived and they start to try and reprogram their way of life not based on their feeling and experience but wanting to act like those people. in my opinion if you can't get deep in your meditation simply because you ate a burger then baby you ain't got it. you feel me?

i go thru periods of time where my body and my spirit truly have no desire or taste for meats. i go with it. i juice more. eat lighter and so on. perhaps it is a cleansing...i don't know i just listen and trust. then i'll feel like some fish or chicken whatever and i go with that. i don't notice any higher spiritual realms when i don't eat meat as when i do. it's not like some god or universal spirit is now diggin me more cause i gave up the meat...that is just plain silly. i say this not to insult anyone. nor to tout the greatness of eating meat. what i am saying is in truth...it really isn't the point. and those that think spirituality is all about meat or no meat are lost. they are grasping at straws trying to justify their lack of awareness. be truthful with yourselves. grow up spiritually! own your power.
go thru what you gotta go thru. be real. do the work..walk your path and see what you see. and if you give up meat...cool. but if you do and you turn around and try and act like doing so is more spiritual and so on...then back to the cushion you go entity cause ya lost it: )

peace,

i don't think there is anything wrong with other people eating meat. it is just something my body no longer wants.

i don't feel good with all the steroids and garbage, and don't like anything proccessed. just my body's responses.

i was eating meat until about 2 months ago, and have wanted to not eat it since a child, but it is a personal feeling.

i still smoke, and drink, so i am the last person to judge what someone else puts in their body.....i am probly one of the farthest behind in lifestyle, but who said it was a competition?

we are all on our designated paths, some people just got on the road earlier, and so are closer to "point b", than some of us who just left "point a"....

msg and stuff destroys me, and the only beer i can drink is coors light, or budwieser, everything else has a weird chemical that gives me a hangover. i can't smoke real cigarettes either, just plain tobacco, because the chemicals in manufactured cigarettes make me feel all jittery and aweful etc....

as for foods as medicines, i hear kiwi fruits have anti depressant qualities, and cilantro, and wheat grass etc help remove heavy metals and mercury etc from our sysytem.....i could write a book on how good soooo many foods are, but enough people beat me to it, and plus everyones bodies are different and will benifit from different things etc. ;)

[Ewhaz]

if happiness is a choice (which i've always believed) then... isn't enlightenment a choice too?


in other words, we all understand perfectly well that when we think things will make us happy, we are truly fooling ourselves. happiness does not come from 'things' nor do we want things. we 'want' to be happy in the end, and 'things' get in the way of our happiness.

so, in that light, it would stand to reason that to say that we must 'eat right' and 'believe the right thing' or 'do this or that' to be enlightened is just another way of putting 'things' in the way to our 'enlightenment'.

if we start by being enlightened, then won't the natural balance (which is different for each of us) come about naturally as a consequence and not the other way around?

we are all perfect.. just the way we are, how we are, what we are.. to begin with. period. will we change and grow and move in astounding ways? absolutely, thats the true fun of being. not 'trying' to be this or that (which carries the message of it being distant from you, and needing something to be worthy) but being, just being.

i love it when i can really capture that feeling of being perfect already, of loving myself and all my flaws irregardless and seeing them as a vast tapestry of greatness, creativity and endless opportunity. i am worthy, i am love and loved. we are all part of all that is, interconnected and a very beautiful tapestry. i can't truly explain what it is i see when i feel this way, other than to say everything is alright and going to be fine. to say that any one among us for any reason is unworthy or 'bad' for lack of a better term reflects on our feelings for ourselves. no one is required to be where you expect them, only required to be. the beauty of their own path should inspire you to see the beauty of our own and revel in the experience. we are one and perfect in every way.

peace :)

[FooSnik]

if happiness is a choice (which i've always believed) then... isn't enlightenment a choice too?


in other words, we all understand perfectly well that when we think things will make us happy, we are truly fooling ourselves. happiness does not come from 'things' nor do we want things. we 'want' to be happy in the end, and 'things' get in the way of our happiness.

so, in that light, it would stand to reason that to say that we must 'eat right' and 'believe the right thing' or 'do this or that' to be enlightened is just another way of putting 'things' in the way to our 'enlightenment'.

if we start by being enlightened, then won't the natural balance (which is different for each of us) come about naturally as a consequence and not the other way around?

we are all perfect.. just the way we are, how we are, what we are.. to begin with. period. will we change and grow and move in astounding ways? absolutely, thats the true fun of being. not 'trying' to be this or that (which carries the message of it being distant from you, and needing something to be worthy) but being, just being.

i love it when i can really capture that feeling of being perfect already, of loving myself and all my flaws irregardless and seeing them as a vast tapestry of greatness, creativity and endless opportunity. i am worthy, i am love and loved. we are all part of all that is, interconnected and a very beautiful tapestry. i can't truly explain what it is i see when i feel this way, other than to say everything is alright and going to be fine. to say that any one among us for any reason is unworthy or 'bad' for lack of a better term reflects on our feelings for ourselves. no one is required to be where you expect them, only required to be. the beauty of their own path should inspire you to see the beauty of our own and revel in the experience. we are one and perfect in every way.

peace :)

amen.

sometimes it is hard to do this but in theory i think you are right on the money.

:)

[BodhiQ]

oh yeah!! good medicine in your words ewhaz....you too foo: )

[butterfriends]

this is a really interesting thread - thank you to all who have contributed :)

i have been a vegetarian for 21 years, since i was 11 - i would say i was a natural vegetarian, for me the eating of meat or fish has felt 'wrong' for as long as i could remember - my parents had to bribe / lie to me to try and get me to eat meat as a child, makes me giggle now

i genuinely believe that different people have different dietary needs, and i think that if you listen to your body and your natural cravings you can't really go wrong. i can tell when i'm low on certain nutrients by the foods i crave.

re the question about plant protein sources, seeds, beans, pulses - i've recently become a huge fan of sprouting seeds and beans at home, never tried sprouted alfalfa before until last week but i've been making some gorgeous delicious salads with my sprouts!

what feels 'normal' for you? my 18month old son i am raising as a vegetarian because that is normal for me - it amazes me how many people think this is wrong. from a loo perspective, why would he have chosen to be my child if a veggie diet was not going to suit him? but then that can be difficult to succinctly explain to people unfamiliar with ra.

anyway, although being a natural vegetarian i actually do marketing for local, organic meats - i see nothing at all wrong with people including meat in their diet and i have the utmost respect for farmers who farm on ethical and environmental principles.

knowledge about the food industry can be shocking but also empowering, and as long as people are true to themselves in terms of meeting their body's needs and feel content in the decisions they make then it's all good :)

[onething]

foosnik,

i second this question because my heart wants to be vegetarian/vegan but i have such a high energy job that i feel like i need the dense proteins from animals to keep up. i would love to hear the answer to this question.

is it possible to sustain a high level of energy on veggies alone? and if so then please tell me exactly what?

i love animals tremendously. i can merge souls with them when i look in their eyes, and feel their consciousness. insects delight me.

i've eaten vegetarian three times in my life, about a year each. the last time, i decided to try vegan. at first, i felt quite well, as i suppose it is cleansing. at some point, i got hold of a way to buy raw milk. and i started reading weston price. i remember the day i ate some farm fresh eggs from happy and free hens, and then drank my raw milk. i lay down for a nap with a feeling almost indescribable - deep bodily peace.

i won't say i felt bad as a vegetarian, although i always had gas. but i think you have to eat improperly a long time before you'll feel it.

for the most part, i think people really cannot achieve top health as vegetarians, but as has been pointed out, the biggest problem is all the nonfood, the sugar, the corn syrup, the aspartame etc, etc.,

it's not so much the proteins, as the fats we need, and the denser nutrients.

my son is a new age, cutting edge, highly spiritual, topanga living guy and he until recently cut trees for a living. being a tree climber is quite dangerous, and probably the most physically demanding occupation there is. the only thing which compares in effort is alaskan deep sea fishing. now, he has tried vegetarian and vegan type eating, not so much as a cut and dried philosophy but just trying to be healthy. you should see the salads he made, and made his own dressing. pomegranate seeds, flax oil, hemp oil, avocadoes. but he was losing weight, and even losing muscle mass. he ate lots and lots of wild salmon, and sushi. watching him take down a tree - you could sell tickets. he could do 30 chinups, he could rapel his own body weight up and down inside a big tree for 5 hours. yet he weighed more in college when he was running and played on the rugby team (he's a skinny guy i don't know why he played rugby). so he couldn't maintain without eating meat.

my daughter and her friend went veggie at age 12 or so for 5-6 years and both of them developed serious health problems. but again, they didn't eat right and i kick myself for letting her do it.

i believe the healthiest people in the world are in iceland. they eat a lot of fish and meat. lots of animal fat.

i do find it a bit sad, but it doesn't look like humans are meant to be vegetarian. i have assumed that in 4d we will indeed live on much lighter food, perhaps no more than fruit.

if a person wants to be vegetarian, i suggest finding a source, if possible, of raw milk, raw cheese, and eating raw eggs from healthy farm raised hens. i never buy butter unless it comes from grass fed cows. then, eat high calorie and high fat foods like avocados, and supplement with flax and hemp and coconut oils. and, if you don't mind abusing fish, take fish oil and cod liver oil. you could eat very little meat isfyou ate the above.

oh, you don't eat the raw eggs just like that. no. you make a smoothie with a banana and some berries (i buy frozen most of the time). or you can make a banana shake with raw milk, ripe banana, raw egg and a dash of vanilla. i've given that to lots of people, everyone loves it.

it's important to eat food raw when you can, and you need more than just fruit and salad raw.

it is now possible to buy meat that is not only hormone and antibiotic free, but grass fed and pastured as well.

[FooSnik]

foosnik,

i second this question because my heart wants to be vegetarian/vegan but i have such a high energy job that i feel like i need the dense proteins from animals to keep up. i would love to hear the answer to this question.

is it possible to sustain a high level of energy on veggies alone? and if so then please tell me exactly what?

i love animals tremendously. i can merge souls with them when i look in their eyes, and feel their consciousness. insects delight me.

i've eaten vegetarian three times in my life, about a year each. the last time, i decided to try vegan. at first, i felt quite well, as i suppose it is cleansing. at some point, i got hold of a way to buy raw milk. and i started reading weston price. i remember the day i ate some farm fresh eggs from happy and free hens, and then drank my raw milk. i lay down for a nap with a feeling almost indescribable - deep bodily peace.

i won't say i felt bad as a vegetarian, although i always had gas. but i think you have to eat improperly a long time before you'll feel it.

for the most part, i think people really cannot achieve top health as vegetarians, but as has been pointed out, the biggest problem is all the nonfood, the sugar, the corn syrup, the aspartame etc, etc.,

it's not so much the proteins, as the fats we need, and the denser nutrients.

my son is a new age, cutting edge, highly spiritual, topanga living guy and he until recently cut trees for a living. being a tree climber is quite dangerous, and probably the most physically demanding occupation there is. the only thing which compares in effort is alaskan deep sea fishing. now, he has tried vegetarian and vegan type eating, not so much as a cut and dried philosophy but just trying to be healthy. you should see the salads he made, and made his own dressing. pomegranate seeds, flax oil, hemp oil, avocadoes. but he was losing weight, and even losing muscle mass. he ate lots and lots of wild salmon, and sushi. watching him take down a tree - you could sell tickets. he could do 30 chinups, he could rapel his own body weight up and down inside a big tree for 5 hours. yet he weighed more in college when he was running and played on the rugby team (he's a skinny guy i don't know why he played rugby). so he couldn't maintain without eating meat.

my daughter and her friend went veggie at age 12 or so for 5-6 years and both of them developed serious health problems. but again, they didn't eat right and i kick myself for letting her do it.

i believe the healthiest people in the world are in iceland. they eat a lot of fish and meat. lots of animal fat.

i do find it a bit sad, but it doesn't look like humans are meant to be vegetarian. i have assumed that in 4d we will indeed live on much lighter food, perhaps no more than fruit.

if a person wants to be vegetarian, i suggest finding a source, if possible, of raw milk, raw cheese, and eating raw eggs from healthy farm raised hens. i never buy butter unless it comes from grass fed cows. then, eat high calorie and high fat foods like avocados, and supplement with flax and hemp and coconut oils. and, if you don't mind abusing fish, take fish oil and cod liver oil. you could eat very little meat isfyou ate the above.

oh, you don't eat the raw eggs just like that. no. you make a smoothie with a banana and some berries (i buy frozen most of the time). or you can make a banana shake with raw milk, ripe banana, raw egg and a dash of vanilla. i've given that to lots of people, everyone loves it.

it's important to eat food raw when you can, and you need more than just fruit and salad raw.

it is now possible to buy meat that is not only hormone and antibiotic free, but grass fed and pastured as well.


wow, onething, that was a great read. i don't know where to start. i think i pretty closely match your son's energy type and i as well started to lose weight when i tried to be a vegetarian. i never tried to be vegan because i intuitively knew that that would be too extreme for my body. i guess i was just wondering if there was some sort of magical substitute that i hadn't heard of for animal meat. i guess i do feel guilty and a bit selfish that that animal had to sacrifice his life so that i can have my dinner. but i think that you might be right that our bodies are not ready to be completely free of animal fats and proteins.

i will try to think of what the american indians did when they killed a buffalo. they blessed and thanked the soul of the animal for sacrificing its life for their survival.

and also, i totally know what you mean by eating things raw. i read a couple of books about the way cooking, pasteurizing and processing things kills most of the wonderful live bacteria and enzymes as well as killing the life force of the substance. and it turns it into dead matter which is much harder for your stomach to digest. in turn creating acid in your body and throwing off the ph balance. an acidic body is then susceptible to all kinds of diseases and illnesses. most raw things are alkaline and much better for your body. hence the 80/20 diet.

i really appreciate your post onething.

my humble gratitude,
foo

[BodhiQ]

you there is a very good reason why we as a species began eating animals in the first place. it wasn't a senseless random action. animals supply us with nutrients that are very hard to find separately. you can do it...but it's difficult. sometimes it's more difficult than an average person can master. in truth it's an individual thing. we are now blessed to live in a time where we have this thing that our ancestors didn't have....it called choice. a sioux brave couldn't just go down to the piggly wiggly and get a vegie sandwich and salad...lol. honoring the flesh one eats is a beautiful conscious act to take. i notice i eat less meat as i get older. i am now 44. i eat less period. feel it out.
be aware of judgmental, guilt ridden behaviors. they are more toxic than a ham sandwich; )

[billybobbutterball]

hi, guys! this thread looks like a likely spot to add the following>

below is the governmental food code which can help guide your shopping in the the produce department.

conventional, organic, or genetically modified?
simple way to tell when purchasing ---

• a four-digit number means the produce is conventionally grown
• a five-digit number beginning with 9 means it's organic
• a five-digit number beginning with 8 means it's gm

be on the lookout for the radura! it is the symbol identifying irradiated foods...look for a big o with a blocky stocky flower crammed inside.

the danger of irradiated foods is not radiation from the product but rather the destruction of vital nutritional food factors caused by the nuking.:eek:

gratuitous remark about some super-duper non-animal protein supplementation.

enzymatically treated brown rice yields mucho protein. in a similar process green pea protein is a recent addition on the market... this is what is neat! fantastic upgrading can be achieved by blending 2 parts of rice protein to one part pea protein -- which produces an effectively balanced amino acid profile, having a high bio availability that actually rivals milk and eggs! note:there are economical sources available on the net, such as vita cost.

most of my meals consist of blended green drinks (frozen vegetables and fruit variations) i use stevia/glycerin as a sweetener. i'll dump in anything that happens to be in reach... for instance i'll grab some powdered spirulina and chorella; creatine, silica, bone support stuff, bee pollen, ascorbic acid, glucosamine, fiber, stabilized rice bran,(a real super food!) frozen pineapple/apple juice, etc. for some reason it never comes out tasting the same twice... if i kept my eyes closed some examples have actually tasted pretty good!:p

trust this will help somebody...which of course will help all.:cool:

best, biilybobbutterfinger ...well, i ain't perfect...

[Deerclan]

anybody have any info or suggestions about eggplant for protein?

[billybobbutterball]

anybody have any info or suggestions about eggplant for protein?


dear deerclan

eggplant is not a notable source of good quality protein, but for sure, its a big source of carbohydrate. :(

interestingly enough, a surprising worthwhile source of vegetable protein is an approximate 50/50 mixture of steamed broccoli and cauliflower. one would assume that the two would have a similar amino acid profile, but no, each one has what the other lacks, so together they rate a few notches higher.:d

warning: soy protein isolate rates very high on paper, but soy has powerful phytoestrogens that can play havoc with male sexuality. so, unless you are striving to be a chaste monk, and could use some feminizing to neutralize your biological drive, don't mess with it... :eek:

best, bbb (who found out about soy much too late :o )

[Deerclan]

dear deerclanwarning: soy protein isolate rates very high on paper, but soy has powerful phytoestrogens that can play havoc with male sexuality.

thanks, bbb. i would never have thought about broccoli & cauliflower adding up to a balanced combination of amino acids.

i had read some things about soy protein, though. i had bought a couple of cartons at the supermarket for my 3-year-old daughter before i learned about how it "helps" estrogen levels. *near panic attack* i don't want my 3-year-old daughter "helped" with her estrogen, thank you. the natural course of growth will be just fine with me, thank you. :)

[mmariebored]

well we see all of these warnings of what not to eat and why...what can we eat and why? i'd like to go veggy completely but soy was in my plans...now what?

[billybobbutterball]

well we see all of these warnings of what not to eat and why...what can we eat and why? i'd like to go veggie completely but soy was in my plans...now what?

hi. that is a difficult question. i've done many radically different diets and i still don't know what is best... many vegetarian celebrities have unexpectedly died young -- an embarrassment to their followers. just recently i read the memoirs of a raw food expert where he confessed that he was made ill by raw food diet during the same time he was writing glowing propaganda in support of the movement.:confused:

food is not the same as it was a hundred years ago. the soil is exhausted and minerals are lacking...pesticides poison the leaves, plants are modified to kill parasites...and that built-in defense can make humans sick...celery is one example. genetically modified potato's have killed the test animals eating them. complicating this further is the fact that most people have at least one unsuspected hidden food intolerance (not allergy)-- and/or a certain very destructive bad combination...one example would be cane/beet sugar with fruit:eek:

people have different metabolisms...one man's meat is literally another woman's poison. i would suggest that you google dr. mercola and take his free test to see just where you fit in. go from there. you will have to do some brain work ... one formula doesn't fit all. :cool:

some really do need meat....once or twice a week i have half a bison patty with pasta tomato sauce and rice.

leaving you more confused than before? feel likewise!

please pass the grub,ms marie b. amen. :d bbb

[mmariebored]

thank you, bbb, you basically confirmed my suspicion. ;)

i do well on salads, which i love, there are so many interesting things to do with a salad. i avoid bread and pasta but i do eat rice. i'm a chicken fiend. fruits have never sat well with me, but bananas are fine. don't eat sugar, not like i used to anyway. it's funny how when you stop eating sugar the craving goes away. i don't agree that fake sugars like splenda cause you to crave sugar, at least, that's never happened to me.

the best advice i received on these boards is to investigate iodine. i started taking the most popular brand of iodine therapy supplements(pm me if you want the name and/or link) and already feel the extra benefits all over. it helps the thyroid gland to function better, apparently. but, as you said, everyone's body reacts differently to different diets and therapies.

[transiten]

hi

there is a theory the different bloodtypes should not have the same diet. f.i me myself would like to be a veggie but since i am a "0 hunter-type" i'm supposed to eat fish and meat. i avoid meat though and if i do eat it it's ecological.

transiten

[Just Be]

hi everyone!

can someone please tell me if cayce ever mentioned anything about gluten free diets? or does anyone have any insight on gluten free diets? are they beneficial for everyone, or only certain people (like those with celiac disease). also why are they recommended for indigo/crystal/rainbow children?

this is a great thread. i'm learning a lot. thanks!!

[FIIISH]

due to some intuitive guidance i have recently received, i have eliminated or sharply reduced my intake of prescription drugs, caffiene, alcohol, meat, dairy, and processed foods.

lots of fruit, vegetables, supplements, and filtered water.

everyone is different and has different tolerances.

it can be tough to make the best choices with limited means.

i'm figuring out that seemingly small decisions regarding
what i put in my body have major impacts on my health
and well-being.

when i am not feeling well, my ability to help others is much more limited.

it appears that a combination of high levels of environmental
toxins, nutrient deprived food, and genetic pre-disposition
can spell lots of trouble for one's health.

in my mind, yet another reason(s) for the planet to push the reset button.

[billybobbutterball]

hi, jb

suggest you google, cayce gluten

in certain cases cayce suggests taking gluten products...but most people should stay away from it.

ezekiel bread at least is sprouted so that should be a helpful product.

i try to avoid wheat and other similar grains, so i generally rely on rice. but too much grain of any kind can be a problem for most.:(

as the previous poster mentioned, it is a highly personal thing with each one responding differently and at different times.:cool:

i don't know anything about diets for indigos. in fact i don't know much of anything about them. i wondered for awhile if i might be one, but when i inquired about indigo grandfathers i just got a strange look in return...:o

love, bbbb




hi everyone!

can someone please tell me if cayce ever mentioned anything about gluten free diets? or does anyone have any insight on gluten free diets? are they beneficial for everyone, or only certain people (like those with celiac disease). also why are they recommended for indigo/crystal/rainbow children?

this is a great thread. i'm learning a lot. thanks!!

[Just Be]

thanks bbbb!

i also eat ezekiel bread daily. the ingredient consist of "organic sprouted wheat". how is that different from regular wheat?

[billybobbutterball]

thanks bbb!

i also eat ezekiel bread daily. the ingredient consist of "organic sprouted wheat". how is that different from regular wheat?

the ezekiel bread recipe is from a portion in the old testament where it advises placing a mixture of grains and lentils in a vessel; then after soaking over night it is then ground into a bread mix and baked. if you look carefully there is a list of ingredients in small print somewhere on the cellophane covering.

i think a similar technique is used for hog feed... it's called "slop"? slopping the hog's?? ugh!

anyway, the seeds are started on their sprouting cycle -- which does all sorts of good things nutritionally since the troublesome grain is now on its way to becoming a more nutritionally friendly mix of infant vegetable.:d

i keep my bread in the freezer and take out a slice or two when needed. i like to put a bit of coconut or olive oil in a pan and gently grill the slices on the bottom side. meantime, on the top, i put some thin slices of raw monterey jack that will just start to melt a bit before i take it out...since most of my food is processed via a vita mix it is nice to have something to actually chew on as a welcome contrast to my delectable, green pond scum power beverages. :p

trust this helps?

iron chef bbb

[Deerclan]

bbb, i just had a lunch of broccoli and cauliflower. i was going to eat several other things, but the broccoli & cauliflower filled me up. ???????

i guess i'm getting enlightened finally. lol

thanks for the tip -- i really, really appreciate it.

deerclan

[Vermillion]

so im doing some thinking into going this route. i have been slowly weeding out meat in my life, chicken being the hardest. haha.

i love cheese, so that will still be in my diet and the occasional glass of milk, but other wise i want to make the switch completely over to all vegetarian. my higher self has been guiding me into this way and the thoughts are always there. even at work (i work at a gas station) i see all this food, hot dogs, sandwiches, chips, you name it... and i instead grab a banana or some other form of fruits or vegetables.

the switch i think will be easier if i have more of the means to do it.

i have been looking at super foods. the powdered drinks that give you a large amount of vegetables and fruits. does anyone have any information or experience with such things? are there other types of "super foods"

also, what else do you recommend? i with be eating whole grains of course with this super food, but what else is recommended?

any help would be amazing, :d
blessings,
john.

[jc1]

hi john,

i'm into superfoods in quite a big way & i get alot of my info from kevin gianni (google & youtube him). for $9 a month you can join his inner circle & download alot of amazing lectures from experts in health & nutrition. this is a lovely guy & totally in integrity.
two more good sources of info are dr mercola & mike adams, the "health ranger."

my favourite superfood snack (will last you as long as a meat meal);

10 grams bee pollen
25 grams goji berries
teaspoon of spirulina
3 tablespoons ground hemp seed
tablespoon coconut oil
teaspoon a
guava nectar
sunflower seeds
pumpkin seeds

just mix it all up, delicious & highly nutritious.

as far as changing your diet goes, don't try to give up things which will often result in binge eating but rather add very healthy superfoods to your diet & this will help your hunger mechanism.

good luck,

in light,

jc

[billybobbutterball]

the highly respected dr. williams' three top candidates for "super foods" are, spirulina, bee pollen and royal jelly (bee)

i would venture, spirulina, chorella, bee pollen and stabilized rice bran (google lifestar ... look for genesis )

now those are very simple lists, and merely the beginning foundation of a more complex diet. it does gets complicated. the stuff i put together looks like something one would imagine that the witches from macbeth would boil up in their black pot of bubble and trouble!...except i use a blender and ice cubes.

two good sources of anti-oxidant power are frozen blueberries and dried tart cherries. (they compliment each other) the dried goji berries are tasty, and there are many other exotica one can deal with. however, the concentrated juice concoctions on the market generally don't rate well except for tastiness.

note: the blueberries/cherries should not be combined with protein as that will completely destroy their anti-oxidents...take them an hour or so before a meal, and not until two hours afterward. (after years of my doing exactly otherwise, now they finally tell me!)

meat is not always undesirable from a physical health standpoint. it has elements that veggies just don't have...minerals like zinc, and the vital vitamin b-12 (the b-12 associated with spirulina has been said to be a mere analogue without true biological activity):(

meat vs spirituality is something else again... but i know people who have been determined vegetarians on principle, but have run into real health problems (especially those with blood type "o"...the mark of cai...whoops! i meant the biological marker of the genetically predisposed carnivore):p

a note: spirulina and chorella are both green pond scum algea...but they have different properties. chorella is not easily digested unless the cells have been mechanically broken (make sure it says so on the label) chorella is known as the great toxic metal remover. (so is fresh cilantro, concerning mercury) a lb of spirulina is said to have have the nutritional punch of a thousand lb of ordinary produce. (that does seem hard to believe):cool:

about the stabilized rice bran...that is a real super food... it is considered one of the most nutritionally concentrated foods extant. researchers have found that it contains some 80/100 antioxidents!...plus all sorts of other desirable goodies ... and no, you can't get the same from merely eating brown rice.:p

understand, that if you eat only what is mentioned above, you will probably soon crawl off and die ....some of the lesser foods have their part to play!

love, billybobheartburn

[Liam]

i would recommend quinoa as an alternative to rice and pasta, particularly for those who cannot tolerate gluten. it is apparently gluten free and has a higher protein content than any grain (12-15% i think) which makes it a good choice for those on a vegetarian diet. it contains all 8 essential amino acids, making it a complete protein. i have recently started eating quinoa- the taste is rather pleasant and if anything it cooks quicker than rice. also it doesn't seem to make me bloated in the way rice sometimes does, it has a softer, smoother texture. i am still experimenting with it myself but so far i have enjoyed the taste and it seems easy to digest. it seems to have solved my dilemma of wanting to eat healthy but not being able to find healthy foods that actually filled me up, being a 21 year old lad!

i eat almonds a lot (edgar cayce loved these!) and i have started eating almond butter- although i haven't figured out a good way to use it just yet. as for the green powders- i take two teaspoons of chlorella daily, mixing it with water. i would recommend chlorella as i've been taking it for about a year and it seems to have helped my digestion and it can provide energy. chlorella is the superfood i specifically remember david recommending. it's very good for helping to keep that acid/alkaline balance! also i have another specific brand of green powder that i use, feel free to send me a message if you want the name. i have been using it for a couple of weeks and it has produced some promising results.

from my recent experience (the last few days), if you are looking for an increase in energy i would suggest attempting to cut sugar out of your diet completely if possible. i have hardly eaten any refined sugar over the past few days and have noticed that i have been waking up far more easily in the mornings. also it's probably advisable to keep the very sweet fruits to a minimum as these can also raise blood sugar levels.

[billybobbutterball]

to be a vegan, or not to be, is one long on-going question.

some years ago someone posted a wonderful quote from an old dead guy with a very strange name. he was called omraam mikhael aivanhov. i was duly impressed, and i've been receiving daily meditations ever since. during our recent ongoing discussion of food things, the following came through. (by coincidence i'm sure.:rolleyes:)

this what mikhael has to say about meat eating:

(thank you for your interest ! prosveta publishing is pleased to offer you the daily meditation for this 2009-02-28.)

"with the food we take in each day, we are building our physical body, a body that must become the temple for the spirit. if the matter we absorb and use for this construction is not pure, it does not allow the spirit to enter us.those who eat meat, for example, must understand that all the animal cells they absorb are the building blocks for their body,and when they wish to carry out noble, generous deeds, these cells refuse to participate. the instinctive impulses that belong to the animal kingdom (fear, greed, cruelty, and so on) enter humans with the meat they eat, and when people want to develop their higher self they encounter difficulties, because the animal cells do not conform to their ideal: these cells have a will of their own that conflicts with theirs and opposes the building of their inner, spiritual temple."

omraam mikhaël aïvanhov

ok, that adds a different spin to the subject that goes beyond the strong philosophical objections of over-imposing upon and oft-times horribly exploiting the very being of our little spiritual brothers -- and ending up making our stomachs their graveyard. (that image by itself is enough to make me feel queasy enough to bypass mcdonald's)

adding to the objections that mikhael raises is that the horrifying experience these animals go though during the oftimes unconscionably ruthless slaughter process which causes a flood of adrenaline that imprints this frightful experience on their very cellular consciousness.

note:this post is getting too long.... continued next post...

bill g aka bbb

[billybobbutterball]

continuing the food saga:

a quote from the bible has jesus stating that it is not the meat being taken in by the mouth, but what flows out that counts... and that would include the nature of thought that goes with both processes.

mikhael gives an account of his early youth in bulgaria where he had to face a long day's grueling work as a forrester. all he had to eat was a small package of bread his mother gave him... he was amazed at his high level of energy throughout the day and came home still full of energy.

mikael asked his mother what was in that little hunk of homemade bread that carried so much energy. his mother paused for a moment, then told him that piece of bread was all that was in the house. all she could add to it was her very fervent prayer that the food would carry him through the day.

so, that memorable experience of his is a vital lesson to us all...thoughtfull prayer and gratitude expressed to and for our food and drink, can imprint it with a value far beyond the ordinary.

to live without flesh foods is a desirable goal. but...

gandhi and his immediate core of followers decided to eliminate animal foods, but despite their admirable spiritually-based motivation this attempt -- over some time -- nearly wiped them out... their health came into serious jeopardy and they finally had to compromise (this account goes back to a posting in the archives)

the problem here may be that our bodies are essentially borrowed 2-d biological entities...that this 2-d potential has stepped aside to allow our 3-d experience in this wonderfully crafted biological instrument. so what do we feed it? what it actually needs, or what we think it needs? it may be that the soul can re-fashion the body over time to keep in pace. the danger may be in attempting to get too far ahead of the up-grading process.

the vegans, vegetarian's and raw-fooders of the world preach a pretty good sermon. but it has been an embarrassment when some of their well-known leaders have kicked the bucket at an early age. one prominent raw foodite confessed that some years ago he was writing glowing accounts of such diets for a magazine at the very time he was suffering from some undiagnosed sense of illness that stemmed from this very diet!

as for myself, i keep experimenting with one diet after another. when i was in my thirties i read some works by the famous arctic explorer, vilhajalmur stefansson, who had lived with true eskimos for over a year, eating their seal meat and frozen fish-on-a stick. years later, back in america, he became sick, so out of desperationg he went back on the stone-age diet. he got better!

for two years i lived each day on a half a pound of fatty hamburger, half a grapefruit and lots of ketchup. i was lean and healthy...but i did drink bourbon and smoked cigarettes. i got married to a beautiful young girl who should have known better. then i read "you are all sambako" ...the breakthrough book that started the "macro-biotic" rage. poor annie...no more t-bones, but instead, brown rice, soy beans, soy oil and closet-grown sprouts. funny, but she grew to like it. but examining photos taken during this time i'm shocked by what i saw; we both looked tired, drawn and haggard, her lovely hair had even lost its sheen. we had been brain-washed!... back to the beef! more or less....and her hair recovered its original beauty!:cool:

years later, and dozens of miserable experiments later, i've become mostly a selective vegetarian. a couple of times a week i do simmer 1/3 lb of ground buffalo in tomato sauce. (i do blindly trust the animal has received better treatment than its cow cousins) i do have an occasional raw egg from an organic raised chicken...one of our past contributers on dc explained away eggs as being "gifts from the chickens" i like that. she also allowed organic raw cheese as gifts from happy cows.:)

so, the message is this. each of us are individuals having different biological quirks regarding particular foods. pray over your food. don't be stupid about putting intellect ahead of biology. don't eat soy. and just because something is not an animal product doesn't automatically qualify it for your plate. pay attention to what your friends say about how you look...if a dear friend rushes up to you looking concerned, and then screams, "what have you have done to yourself!" stop everything!:eek: change your diet. quick!!:p

love, and occasional chocolates under the table! thanks for your patience. billybobboygourmet

[Vermillion]

billybobboy-

i loved your post by the way.

[jc1]

hi,

just to throw the not-so-vegetarian cat among the pigeons, i would like to introduce a little talked about facet of diet, that of cleansing & colon health.

there is a school of thought that talks about our digestive system being too long to safely digest (mainly) red meat.
a big cat for example has a shorter digestive system because its diet is all meat. the science in this says that when meat is eaten it must leave the digestive system quickly or it putrifies or goes rotten. think about it, if you left a slab of steak in room temperature of 98 degrees (average body temp) for around 24 hours, it would start to go off within that time.

when the alternative dr's & therapists talk about colon health, it is a very interesting & contentious subject which has been largely hidden by the pharmaceutical-agenda-scientists as it explains the source of good health.
your whole immune system is in your gut, vitamin b12 is made in a correctly functioning intestine. the first organ to be created in a developing foetus is the colon & all appendages & organs bud off from it as it develops. some dr's & scientists even suggest that the cause of 80% of all illness & disease can be found in the colon.

let me use my own health as an example. for my whole life i suffered with exzema, asthma, hay fever, bad circulation, depression & mood swings. four years ago i was diagnosed with a benign brain tumour. the operation would create great challenges in my life so i vowed to try to cure it naturally.
i did colon cleanses with colonic irrigation while repopulating my internal flora. i did the ph miracle cleanse to alkalise my system, i did the liver & gall bladder flush 5 times, i did parasite cleanses. after nearly 2 years of this i was rushed to hospital with hydrokephalis & had to have the tumour removed. however, my exzema, asthma, hay fever, depression & mood swings have not returned. i have also noticed that i can no longer eat red meat without feeling awful, i can't drink white wine without getting an asthma attack. too much sugar gives me depression, in fact it seems that all these cleanses have sensitised me to foods that are no good for me in a way that i have never known before.

so it seems that my system reacts differently to the physical world of food which much more of an intense reaction than before but & this is a huge but!!! my sensitivity to spiritual integrity is much more pronounced helping me to find great teachers such as david r hawkins & of course david wilcock. it seems that my capacity for peace & joy is much greater, in fact i often tell people that this brain tumour was the best thing that ever happened to me.

draw what conclusions you will from this story. i still eat the odd organic egg, piece of salmon, organic roast chicken & still enjoy the odd glass of red wine but i definitely notice that my spiritual vibration is much higher after a day of vege smoothies, fresh green juices & salads than with eating meat & fish, eggs & bread.

hope this helps, love this forum,

love & light,

jc

[jc1]

i'm not entirely sure how to "multi quote" so they get embedded in the message so i will just say that i would like to touch on a couple of subjects that i know alot about, that have been raised during this thread.....

first of all, there has been alot of speculation about diets & why a raw vegan diet doesn't work for some people & why other people have such a hard time losing weight.

without going too much into the science, i actually had to go through an awful lot of extreme cleansing & detoxing, including dr [name] advanced bowel cleanse twice (each involving 14 colonic irrigations) ,& dr [name] 16 week ph miracle cleanse.
i've also done parasite cleanses, liver & gall bladder flushes & mercury detoxes.
this was all to try & shrink a life-threatening brain tumour which i had to have surgically removed anyway, leaving me with many challenges which are my next point.

but back to diets, since doing these cleanses, i have flourished on a diet of superfoods, juices & smoothies, with the odd curry that i love to make.

any excess weight that i had just fell away & since my surgery, i have embarked on a rigorous program of exercise which has given me an "8 pack" toned body which is quite unbelievable for a 44 year old man.

i don't think that i could have built such a body unless i had done the extreme cleansing, i also don't think that i could have got the energy needed for that exercise with such a little food that i eat daily.

i spend around £25 a week on organic leaves, veg, seeds & superfoods. if you want to know more details then please contact me privately & i will only be too happy to share my experience & knowledge. in fact i am about to start teaching a course on diet, lifestyle & spirituality in my home town, posters have gone up & invitations sent out, what have i done!?

my second point is that the surgery has left me with an extreme facial palsy on the left side, stone deaf in my left ear & a dry left eye which i am losing the sight in.

so, the whole left side of my face hangs down, i used to be quite handsome, what an interesting lesson. people stare at me on the street & in supermarkets, kids are scared of me sometimes, unless i wear my eye patch, then they love me, thinking i'm a pirate, hehe.

so i look ill maybe but nothing could be further from the truth, i am extremely fit & healthy but daily i have to put up with people's rude staring & double takes. this is all good material to practise my course in miracles lessons on.

but i am aware, as have others written about on this thread, that we put much value on just a face. i can't wait for the summer when i can walk on the beach & show off my toned body, it's vanity i know, but what the hey, it makes up for my wonky face i guess.

it's a tough lesson & i never get used to the staring. i mean, i go out feeling full of joy sometimes but when i try to smile at people, it just looks like a smirk so i just don't catch people's eyes any more.

i'm having plastic surgery this year but i dislike hospitals & operations, what a drag, especially general anaesthetics & all the drugs that go with it.

this forum is such a comfort as there are so many people on it that see past the body & the face, it means alot to me that there are people like that out there, pity there aren't more that live in my hometown.

putting myself up for public scrutiny is maybe a way of cauterising my wounds to my self confidence, so maybe people can see & feel my joy & energy.

anyway, thanks for listening.

love & light,

jc

[Rory]

pay attention to what you eat and the way it makes you feel.

eat what makes you feel good, light, alert, connected.
eat food with a lot of chi (energy).
if it's raw, that's great, if it's cooked, just make sure it was cooked fairly recently, not sitting out for days.
fresher is always better.

avoid what makes you feel bad, heavy, tired, sluggish.
avoid processed foods in general.
if you choose to eat meat, avoid factory farmed meat raised with chemicals and fear. with meat, a little goes a long way.
avoid sugar!
avoid processed wheat!

breathe.

it's pretty simple.

[myconsumerclub]

stabilized oxygen works to kill viruses when you mix a 28% solution of sodium chlorite with lemon juice or vinegar you create a reaction that makes dioxy chlor this can kill every virus in your body if you do it right. read about jim humble over at project camelot for more info.

as to curing type 2 diabetes, the veterenarians have cured it in animals for overe 60 years it's simply a mineral deficiency of chromium and vanadium. however not just any ol versions of these minerals will do. in 1999 the nobel prize was a warded to a scientist for discovering the carrier protein that acts to chaperone copper through the cell membrane.

the protege of the scientist who discovered vitamin c dr szaly i believe is his name, discovered all the carriers over 50 years ago but never patented his research for wishing to keep the knowledge secret so that he could manufacture and re-engineer suplements so that they would be more absorbable.

your cell membranes have receptors that can tell the diference between organic and inorganic crushed rock (toxic) minerals and will not absorb the toxic crushed rock minerals that end in "ate" like calcium carbonate, calcium citrate, chromium picolinate, copper gluconate etc. notice these words all end in "ate". that is a sign that they are worthless and could cause you harm like a"te" forms of calcium cause by building up in your arterial plaque or as stones in your kidneys and other things.

read your labels folks this type of mineral being unabsorbable at the cellular level is a waste of your money. you may absorb like 5% due to your flora in your intestines processing it but the best way to do it is to find a source like i have that offers a re-engineered mineral you can find out more from videos available at [please pm for link] the dr mentioned above licensed his technology to these folks and they have almost a monopoly on mineral suplements because of it. mineral deficiency is the root cause of 90% of all illness in the usa according to dr. wallach the author of [please pm for title] and former nominee for the nobel prize.

between these 2 items you can eliminate 99% of all of your health problems since the other 10% of illness that isn't caused by mineral deficiency is the viral and bacterial stuff. as paranoid as everyone is about engineered viruses the sodium chlorite and silver and h2o2 products should be in everyones home medicine cabinet plus everyone should use the mineral sups i mentioned above.

i work with senior citizens helping them to get free health insurance plans that provide the most coverage if your under 65 you may not know this but when you work with seniors like i do you see the future of those who take their health for granted i think about 1 out of 2 or 3 people i work with have diabetes so i researched it like crazy to discover how to cure it the best way possible.

i mostly work with medicaid people who are overly poor and because they qualify for medicad the government pretty much pays for all their medical bills and through wellcare (a medicare advantage plan provider) they can get $60 per month to pay for the mineral sups i just mentioned.

doesn't that freak you out that an insurance company would pay for something like that? i don't think they realize what they just did but i'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth.

i'm trying to enlighten the local doctors to this situation so that they can help their diabetic patients to cure themself and if they are on meicaid how they can get the insurance for free from wellcare and wellcare will then pay for up to $60 worth of these products and help them to cure their diabetes.

for the rest of us we just need to spend the money because if your diet is mineral deficient you are mineral deficient and most of us are! as far as i know none of the corporate farming interests are replacing the minerals in the soil and if the minerals aren't in the soil they aren't in the food grown in it and that is what is wrong with our food supply. a report to congress back in the 1930's said the soils were depleted back then imagine how bad they are now because you know they did absolutely nothing back then. if your eating food that is deficient in minerals you are risking the onset of all the chronic conditions that old age has waiting for you. it's not a matter of if but when you will start to manefest illness in your life if you ignore the importance of this information.

diabetes is just one disease that you can get from developing a mineral deficiency there is osteoporosis, arthritis, most heart and stroke problems and countless other chronic conditions that develop as a result of mineral deficiency. they don't call them essential minerals for nothing you either get enough or you get sick and slowly degenerate and die at a much youner age.

the people who live the longest on this planet (you know the story) some remote village in china or russia or japan they find people living in a valley were they live to 150 or so and they send in the scientists to see why they all live so long and the one thing they all have in common is that they all are living on a diet that is dense in minerals probably due to the run off from the mountains that re-mineralizes their soils so that their food is grown in soils that actually have minerals.

sorry to harp on this folks but i see what a lifetime of neglecting your health will do every day at work when i visit people over 65 who look like they have one foot in the grave already and it's a lot harder to get your health back than to just properly maintain it in the first place.

almost all the mineral suplements other than the ones i mentioned above are a waste of money because they put crushed rock "ate" forms of the minerals in their products, of course they don't have the technology to re-engineer the mineral into having the proper proteins lipids and carbs that need to be chained to the mineral so that your cells receptors will recognize it as food and absorb it, but hey you either know this understand the implications and use it to your advantage or you suffer the consequences of becoming less healthy.

i would hope a group as scientifically attuned as this one would understand this and appreciate what a huge favor i am doing for you by trying to make you aware of this.

there really is no other way to go about saying this you need minerals like you need oxygen and water or you experience what i see everyday on the job old age and infirmity at a far ealier time in life than is necessary and there is no other way i know of to protect yourself other than to grow your own garden and test the soil for minerals but of course taking a few pills each day from the source i mentioned earlier takes a lot less time and you don't sweat nearly as much. it's your choice and your life live, long and prosper. i'm going to go watch the new star trek today. :cool:

[Just Be]

can someone please clarify for me if vegan/vegetarian diet is safe. i'm very confused b/c most spiritual masters follow a vegetarian diet...but according to dr weston a price and dr mercola...vegetarians/vegan tend to be deficient in b-12 which can only be obtain from animal products. and if you're a vegan, where do u get your omega 3's?

a vegetarian diet seems to the ideal diet especially for those on a spiritual path, but the science does not seem to support it. something just doesnt add up...can someone explain to me what the truth really is?

[musicluva]

can someone please clarify for me if vegan/vegetarian diet is safe. i'm very confused b/c most spiritual masters follow a vegetarian diet...but according to dr weston a price and dr mercola...vegetarians/vegan tend to be deficient in b-12 which can only be obtain from animal products. and if you're a vegan, where do u get your omega 3's?

a vegetarian diet seems to the ideal diet especially for those on a spiritual path, but the science does not seem to support it. something just doesnt add up...can someone explain to me what the truth really is?

i think in the end its simply up to you and what your body feels/tells you when you eat certain foods. personally i'm not a vegetarian, but i do avoid red meat most of the time since i don't like the way i feel after i eat it. i also go to a yoga studio where they do discuss vegetarianism and its benefits both for your body and spirit, but even there they say its a personal decision. some body types may not function properly without a lot of protein, and one of the best ways of getting protein in your body is by eating fish. again, if your curious simply try it and see how your body reacts, and then go from there.

[Habit4ming]

i found this fascinating article today, after clicking on a link here at divine cosmos concerning mellen-thomas benedict, then clicked on a link at that site, etc.
i am relatively new here--this is my second post--been reading all the wonderful information here for about a month or so...
anyway, this article is from october, 2008. it appears switzerland amended a law, protecting the dignity of plants.
link: http://planetsave.com/blog/2008/10/18/switzerland/

or
http://planetsave.com/blog/2008/10/18/switzerland-places-ban-on-the-humiliation-of-plants/

[ds37ds]

i found this fascinating article today, after clicking on a link here at divine cosmos concerning mellen-thomas benedict, then clicked on a link at that site, etc.
i am relatively new here--this is my second post--been reading all the wonderful information here for about a month or so...
anyway, this article is from october, 2008. it appears switzerland amended a law, protecting the dignity of plants.
link: http://planetsave.com/blog/2008/10/18/switzerland/


i had a gut reaction to benedict's "in the not too distant future, we'll be able to replicate food as well as water." prediction.

it was something akin to monsanto slipping into the new age through the backdoor and taking everyone by surprise.

more concrete and substantial action towards their protection should be taken considering they feed us and that our wellbeing depends on them.

ds