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Ewhaz
03-11-2008, 01:46 PM
muse posted the following link in the 'i love you' thread


http://www.soulwise.net/99-drat.htm

so i'd like to begin a discussion on this very point. what is our responsibility when it comes to sending out love to the world?

on the one hand we must lift the vibration of the world and help to unfold the new density of unconditional love.

on the other hand, we know that free will is a mandate and therefore forcing your 'will' on any one is a no no and will result in karma. is forcing love on the world a violation of free will?

now i will make one point, his mention of physics and the inverting of a wave isn't a reasonable facsimile of karma. by that logic you could violate some ones will in a negative way, by sending hate instead and get good karma back. the laws are obviously a little different than that. i think that we should keep it to the point that trying to violate some one's free will is what results in negative karma.

AmelieJolie
03-11-2008, 02:22 PM
everyone wants love. i don't think it violates anyone's free will, but it does help lift the vibrations of the planet.......

Art
03-11-2008, 02:56 PM
muse posted the following link in the 'i love you' thread

so i'd like to begin a discussion on this very point. what is our responsibility when it comes to sending out love to the world?

on the one hand we must lift the vibration of the world and help to unfold the new density of unconditional love.

on the other hand, we know that free will is a mandate and therefore forcing your 'will' on any one is a no no and will result in karma. is forcing love on the world a violation of free will?

now i will make one point, his mention of physics and the inverting of a wave isn't a reasonable facsimile of karma. by that logic you could violate some ones will in a negative way, by sending hate instead and get good karma back. the laws are obviously a little different than that. i think that we should keep it to the point that trying to violate some one's free will is what results in negative karma.

i don't think we're forcing anything, or violating anyone's will by sending love. rather, we are creating an environment that is conducive to light and love. it is every single entity's choice as to whether they "see" it or not.

my opinion on the whole "beacon of light" is that if things start to go crazy and people are lost, they can look to these "beacons" (us) for guidance and assistance. or, they can choose not to.

i still believe that the future is not set and that with enough focus we can prevent the doomsday scenarios that still creep into our psyche. it doesn't have to be that way!!! however, we do need to be aware of and prepared for all possibilities, hence my "preparation" or rather education so that i can begin to have discussions with those interested, point them in a certain direction, so that when their illusion fades, it will fade to beauty, not horror...

sorry for the ranting - that phrase "it doesn't have to be that way" or in general, the thought of things going crazy just bother me greatly and has been on mind alot. if we are taught that we co-create reality, then we have the ability to awaken the people of this planet with love. reflecting upon my journey, 9/11 was a wake-up call - it started my quest for understanding, which eventually led to a quest for spiritual enrichment, which eventually led here. so, tragedies do serve a purpose. i just hope that enough people can tilt the mass consciousness to effectively wake people up without shaking them to their core. enough people are tired - change is a big theme right now...

again, to paraphrase, it is my belief that we are creating a loving environment that is conducive to spiritual growth for everyone. allow the light to shine through us - it is their choice whether to look or not...

sent with loving intent - sorry again for the ranting!

art

dazcox
03-11-2008, 03:46 PM
i don't think that there will be a mass consensus vibration where everyone is sending out the same loving vibe.

i think what we need to work towards is as many people as possible sending out a positive vibe of their own.
a billion different but similar waves not one big one with a billion people participating.

what makes you send out a positive vibe anyway? your kid painting a masterpiece? your spouse remembering something special?
the true positive vibes are going to be individual experiences.

look at elections and sporting events, there's a shared positive vibe and then it's gone,
hell, four years later most people are embarrassed that they even voted for that chump!
that shared love vibe doesn't last, but you remember your own glory days when it was you getting the applause and winning the game don't you!

concentrate on what is positive and loving to you!

Rhonda
03-11-2008, 04:15 PM
good subject, another deep one.

i do believe we all have a great responsiblity to ourself and each other as we grow on our spiritual path and begin to create solutions to the world problems, that we are co-creating with god, rather than just creating and we know the difference.

"not my will god, but thy will will be done"

no other soul can alter the free will of another without their permission, i believe.

freewill, without restrain
lev 22:18 all his freewill offerings
ezra 7:16 freeewill offering of the people
ps 119:108; freewill offerings of my mouth

the soul has the will to give or receive

deep:
if all "that is" is god or god is and nothing else is, then
is has a freewill to receive or not


from e.cayce readings:

281-49
7. then, it is not that the entire life experience is laid out for an individual when there has been received that imprint as of the first breath, or the spirit entering the body as prepared for activity in the material world. for, again, choice is left to the individual, and the personality - as to whether it is the laudation of the ego or cooperation with its fellow men, or as a consecration to the service of the creative forces in its material environs.

378-45
4. man, to be sure, is free-willed and may of himself separate himself from the love of the father, even as from the love of those that would aid and help and succor and comfort in times of stress, times in which it is necessary that all cooperate one with another.

one's intentions are very important. is it "thy will will be done" intentions or "my will be done" intention. thy will refers to god working through us vs my will would imply forcing my will.

a true healer would never invoke another's shield for the sake of their own will to heal. a true healer knows their limits and honors their gift.

Modeo
03-11-2008, 09:36 PM
in my belief when i send out love it is not directed at anyone or anything, unconditionally i send it. when it is out there anyone or anything has the choice of free will to except it or not.
even when you direct love your energy at the world or someone specific they have a free will choice to except it or reject it spiritually.
i also believe in the law of one and that there is no wrong or right, that all is catalyst in the journey of experience that we are all on and part of.
either way if we learn quickly or are held back by karma we still teach/learn as ra said in the law of one material.
it is our own individual experience how we choose to shape the energies that we create our own journey...

onething
03-12-2008, 01:07 AM
you don't have a choice. engergetically, vribationally, you are putting out to the universe your state. your brain is always in one wave state or another.

love/life exists as an energy that sustains and penetrates the whole universe. no one lives without it. what is prayer but a ramping up of ones state of being? it's not the words which have affect but who you are when you pray. do you want to be love? if you are love you will radiate love.

very likely, spiritual growth entails having ones waves more attuned to this, rather than discordant or shut down to it.

what the baddies can do is decrease their consciousness and tune into lower frequencies so that they are not excessively overwhelmed by reality, which is god. that would be why ra mentioned that higher beings when confronted with a negative entity send them love - it unfocuses them and they have to escape and regroup, i.e., lower their frequency and gather polarity.

Ewhaz
03-12-2008, 02:24 AM
it really makes me think though, just think of it this way. if you were to walk up to a terrorist, and say 'i love you' most likely he would tell you to shove it, or point a gun at you. they don't want our love, it is the love of an infidel etc.


so then we must ask, when does sending out love violate free will?

and if so, how can we raise the vibration of this world without encroaching on free will?

if we restrict to feeling love, inwardly only and only outwardly when we have a very clear indication that it is welcomed and allowed, it almost seems selfish of a sort. so then, dose sending out love with the intention of raising the earths vibration constitute this violation of free will, forcing others to 'wake up' when that may not be what they desired to do on a spiritual level?

transiten
03-12-2008, 04:20 AM
hi!

this is actually the 4:th thread on the same topic! look up
"maharishieffect and free will" and "children, disabled" etc

liliane tightrope spiritualbalancingdancer of opposites

dazcox
03-12-2008, 06:45 AM
i don't understand how to just send off waves of love energy into the universe.

what is this generic love energy? give me something to work with to understand this concept or it just sounds like poetry and wishful thinking.

i need examples as right now it sounds like new age mumbo jumbo.

Art
03-12-2008, 06:52 AM
i still believe that the future is not set and that with enough focus we can prevent the doomsday scenarios that still creep into our psyche. it doesn't have to be that way!!! ... sorry for the ranting - that phrase "it doesn't have to be that way" or in general, the thought of things going crazy just bother me greatly and has been on mind alot. if we are taught that we co-create reality, then we have the ability to awaken the people of this planet with love. ... so, tragedies do serve a purpose. i just hope that enough people can tilt the mass consciousness to effectively wake people up without shaking them to their core. enough people are tired - change is a big theme right now...

excellent discussion gang. i was pondering my initial reply to this thread and a thought about wise words that were shared by others on this forum.

let it be. or let it go.

in the end, it is not my place, nor anyone else's to say how things should be. all i can really do is continue on my path of growth and understanding, love myself, my friends, my family. be kind to strangers. be helpful to others when they ask for it.

i can see where you're coming from ewhaz, i really can. i would offer this perspective as well:

if you choose to believe the science, the data, etc., then you can agree about the energetic influx that is currently happening, and accelerating, day by day as we approach "that event horizon". some would say that this is a violation of free will, right? however, in my current understanding of reincarnation and purpose, we all chose to be here at this time, for whatever purpose/mission. not that we're consciously aware of said mission, etc.

so, unless we were to go around hugging everyone or something a little more obvious than raising vibration, again, i'd say we're not necessarily violating someone's free will.

and, like you said, if "on that higher level" someone doesn't want to experience love, etc., then no amount of action, thoughts, etc., will change their "path". they have their path, you have yours, i have mine. we are not in a position to judge, nor really even comprehend the whole scenario. all paths eventually lead back to source, unity.

this subject has made me think pretty hard and in the end, i don't have a "good" answer. just thinking out loud with some occassional rants. thanks for putting up with me! :o

looking forward to continuing this and other discussions.

art

AmelieJolie
03-12-2008, 07:12 AM
i don't believe there is any free will as such until people manage to wake up and remember who they truly are anyway.....

i feel that "free will" as a term is too vague- it needs re-defining.

the truth itself shall set us free. ;)

until then, we are like prisoners of a dream, not knowing we are free.

Rhonda
03-12-2008, 09:53 AM
freewill is another way of looking at control---- who's in control !

truly, you are only in control of self. you can try to control another, but they have the right to choose for them self what they will do. i.e., what the experience gives them.

story 1:
if i wanted to jump off a bridge to bungee jump, it is my choice and my choice alone. the experience that i might get from this sensations is enjoyment, freedom, fearless excitement etc. these are the thoughts i release.

for the other person, they can choose if this experience (set of energy) is right for them. the same human might not think that jumping off a the bridge is such a great sensation, actually crazy. their experience and energy might send out thougthts of nervousness, judgment, self doubt etc.

is either wrong? no

now, this same example, a manager of an employee orders them to bundgee jump, to join in on the manager's opinion of fun. " trust me, you will like it " does the employee have a choice here? absolutely ! they have a choice to choose if they want to jump or not. (their freewill) this is 100% in their control. however, the employee knows from learned conditions, that they will have to face the others people's thoughts, words and/or action from this free choice given to all mankind. (could be viewed as conditional for another to act)

who's experience is better? either, for each person has been given the gift of choice, free will, the choice to decide at every moment, what they will take as their own or not. what they will except or not. what is right for them or not. (the beauty of uniqueness)

this is the power of freewill, to choose for themselves, what is right for them. they can choose to send out thoughts of love, acts of love to another. it is their choice. it is also the others choice to open themselves to receive what has been sent. ex: if they are feeling that "loving vibration" but say to their self's, no no, i am a to cool person, i don't give into this love stuff., i choose not to receive. i want to continue to just be cool.... and not acknowledge or give power to the feeling of love energy that is passing by them.

their freewill has not been altered by another, they have and always will have a choice, the love was made available but not taken in.

story 2
take nature, it is our teacher, as many have said:

its a warm spring day, a front blows in from the north, not to cool, just that nice breeze that is spring like. i have a choice to open my windows to allow the breeze to come in and enjoy it or not. the wind, will keep blowing regardless of what i do. making its way around my house or through it, it will continue regardless of my decision. the wind, thus has a "will" of its own, as i do in this moment.

so, did i have the choice to allow the "wind" energy into my house? absolutely !

you can choose to receive the air or not, it is your choice.

AmelieJolie
03-12-2008, 10:14 AM
rhonda,

what if we go deeper then into the topic of free will.......

does a child chose an incarnation in which he/ she will be badly abused?
do animals chose to be abused, to suffer in testing laboratories? .
do victims of leprosy chose to receive this illness?
etc, etc

(i wish i knew the answers).

AmelieJolie
03-12-2008, 10:24 AM
what about depression/ forms of mental illness?

what about people who have various forms of physical handicap, which may prevent them from thinking (with the physical brain) in a rational way?

what about individuals who have received injuries to the head which caused a disturbance in the chemical balance which resulted in a lack of control/ reaction toward another which ended up as violence or even murder?

if people do not have the ability to empathize in certain ways, are they fully guilty of ways in which they might inflict another? if they do not understand what it is that they do?

"a human being is a part of the whole, called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. he experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest-a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. this delusion is a kind of prison, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty."~albert einstein.


what about animals- they have souls too- do they have free will?


i wrote these lines/ thoughts a few years back:

our mind is a matrix,
our faces are a mask
our soul dwells within
our eyes are the looking-glass.


"if the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear as it really is, infinite".

i believe that there is of course, free will.
i just think it needs re-defining, that's all.


"to understand all is to forgive all"
~ tolstoy

"forgive them, they know not what they do"
~ jesus

litllady
03-12-2008, 10:27 AM
:) nicely said rhonda! i always enjoy your post!

smile to strangers, help others when you know they need help, say hello to people when they reach eye contact with you. this is not going against free will of others....its shining a light to them which is our purpose-shine a light to others. i find smiles and hellos to strangers sparks a light in them that they rarely get to feel. they might love to feel this energy of love, or it might scare them and they wont show any feeling. they might even act like they didnt even hear you....but that is ok, you know your trying to shine a light that has almost ceased to exist here in this life. let it shine let it shine!!!

peace to all,
lynette

SuperManny
03-12-2008, 10:33 AM
i don't understand how to just send off waves of love energy into the universe. i need examples as right now it sounds like new age mumbo jumbo.
you are always a kind of sending and receiving station, always receiving vibrational energy that's in line with what you're thinking and feeling. then you enhance; expand; magnify and transform this energy and radiate it back out to the universe. you can't actually stop this process, because this flow of energy is part of what's keeping your body alive.

so, when you want to "send off waves of love energy into the universe" all you need to do is feel love. then as you magnify; enhance and expand this energy, and hold its vibration you are literally transmitting love to everything around you, or to your chosen target.

SuperManny
03-12-2008, 10:40 AM
i don't believe there is any free will as such until people manage to wake up and remember who they truly are anyway.....
i feel that "free will" as a term is too vague- it needs re-defining.

i like ra's definition of free will. ra says it's like a map that contains all your potential experiences, so you can choose any experience on the map at any given time, or you can choose to not experience something on the map. you can not however choose experiences that aren't on the map.

transiten
03-12-2008, 11:48 AM
hi

in a way one could say that the entity choosing a life of mental illness or other states of mind that prevent spiritual development during that lifetime, he/she is giving him/herself as a gift for others to have an opportunity to practice free will, understanding, love and compassion.

liliane

Rhonda
03-12-2008, 12:01 PM
hello ameliejolie, answers to 1-4, i believe, yes and no

in my studies, i have learned and feel this is correct. we choose our life's experiences and build a plan prior to incarnation so that we grow and learn or re-visit something that we as a soul want to experience in our life to grow or better mankind. as you question your role in any given situation of life, you begin to examine your choices in each. do i have a choice, did i have a choice or am i a / the victim of another's experience. i will agree, it makes you wonder if "freewill" is exercised prior to birth when we see examples of life that appear to not be in the frame of mind to choose 'freewill'. deeper than i have been but goes with bettering mankind or a person. (again, you agree to help, in your own plan, play the part)

our animals, i have studied and in my deep thoughts, they also know their roles. a cow for example, knows that its main purpose is to provide food. they do how ever have faith in mankind that they know, is all loving, to give them the best of life prior to this main purpose.


rhonda,

what if we go deeper then into the topic of free will.......

does a child chose an incarnation in which he/ she will be badly abused?
do animals chose to be abused, to suffer in testing laboratories? .
do victims of leprosy chose to receive this illness?
etc, etc

(i wish i knew the answers).

thus the lesson--- one is at a point of choice "to be x or not " in that experience. this is were trust, faith with your love of self and another is tested the greatest. granted, this is not a easy place to be at in our lifes when going through these experiences, but they will be meant regardless, and a choice is usually there.

Ewhaz
03-12-2008, 01:15 PM
rhonda,

what if we go deeper then into the topic of free will.......

does a child chose an incarnation in which he/ she will be badly abused?
do animals chose to be abused, to suffer in testing laboratories? .
do victims of leprosy chose to receive this illness?
etc, etc

(i wish i knew the answers).

these types of situations are always difficult to swallow when we first learn that we choose our life's path. everything i've read thus far suggests that we choose our life's path carefully before we are born. there is no random chance, no mistakes, everything is perfect as it is.

it seems tragic on the surface when you see some one suffer and then think, "they choose this?"

the simple answer is 'yes'. now that is not to say that we simply turn around at that point and ignore it going, 'well they chose that path, i'll not intefear' of course one of the very purposes of their suffering may be to help you learn empathy and compassion. there is a bigger picture here, not just only their suffering. what are they learning through suffering? what do people learn through making them suffer? what catalysts are put into effect because of this situation?

most of us understand that while things being nice and pleasant all the time feels much better than suffering, the greatest catalysts in our lives are when things become distinctly unpleasant. just as you jerk your hand away from the fire, you work hard to rectify an unpleasant situation, or at the very least learn to accept what is as to be able to move through it. the greatest catalyst for good is a bad set of circomstances, it affords us the greatest possibility for good.

and on top of all that, i know i haven't even scratched the surface of what suffering truly means.

Art
03-12-2008, 01:37 PM
i don't understand how to just send off waves of love energy into the universe.

what is this generic love energy? give me something to work with to understand this concept or it just sounds like poetry and wishful thinking.

i need examples as right now it sounds like new age mumbo jumbo.

perhaps it is the terminology that is causing this for you...

as an example, have you ever been around someone and knew or felt that they were angry? alot of times we can pick this up from body language, but i tend to think that is because we already picked up the vibe and are looking for confirmation.

well, the same works in reverse. in this case, i'd say just being kind and loving is noticeable to alot of people. again, people tend to look to body language for verification. unfortunately society tends to "favor" negativity - you can see it everywhere in the media. so, in these cases of people who got that "top of the world" feeling, most people tend to ignore it and move on.

new age mumbo jumbo? harsh words, but i can understand your frustration. perhaps you haven't felt "that feeling" wash over you, comforting you with warmth, relaxing your mind, enriching your spirit. until you do experience this first hand, then yes, i can see where you would say "mumbo jumbo"...

i'd ask - do you meditate? how do you feel when you see a beautiful sunset? are you appreciative of animals (do you get a kick out of watching squirrels play, etc.)?

hope this helps. sent with loving intent,

art

onething
03-12-2008, 10:55 PM
it really makes me think though, just think of it this way. if you were to walk up to a terrorist, and say 'i love you' most likely he would tell you to shove it, or point a gun at you. they don't want our love, it is the love of an infidel etc.

walking up to someone in a highly agitated state and trying to get in their face with your 'love' is quite different than meditating for peace, no?


so then we must ask, when does sending out love violate free will?

what will you send then? what i'm trying to get at is that you will be sending something. also, it seems just a little over the top here to be worrying on this level. this seems like an extreme of passivity. free will should be respected, people's minds should not be forced, nor their bodies. deliberate tactics to do so violate free will.

what if sending out love simply reinforces the natural state of affairs? we are not separate beings. if sending out love violated free will it must mean we are separate beings. but as we are not, we are all swimming together in the cosmic soup.

you can't really force others to wake up. they will react to the energy as they will. you have the right to send out your own vibes. others can always choose to leave. violating free will would be if they can't leave. you might say that they can't leave the subtle vibrational frequency put out by meditation. that is somewhat true, but their are still ways to flee from awareness, and they are used all the time.

other beings are always free to say no to love. or consciousness. to ask an elevated being to not put out love vibrations is to ask them to cease to exist.

dazcox,

i don't understand how to just send off waves of love energy into the universe.

what is this generic love energy? give me something to work with to understand this concept or it just sounds like poetry and wishful thinking.

i need examples as right now it sounds like new age mumbo jumbo.
reply with quote

well, i do sympathize. i would suggest you start reading. david's science of peace mp3 goes into some detail about the maharishi effect, there is a woman who writes about the field, with a similar approach. also, you might like lazslo's book called science and the akashic field. basically, they are all bringing back the ancient theory of the ether.

it makes sense to me now. the way i see it, if there is a god then that god must actually be inside of everything, otherwise there would be no way to influence. if there is action at a distance there must be a mechanism. that mechanism is no doubt subtle. it surprises me sometimes that we now live in an era when we have the tools to enhance our senses and know that there is a huge electromagnetic spectum that we know we can sense only a small band of, we have microscoples that reveal a tiny world of mindboggling smallness, and we have uncovered the workings of things which we cannot see or perceive but have powerful effect like magnetism and xrays, and such. and, we see that this tiny world is actually the inner workings, that make everything work. there are billions of atoms in every cell and so our bodies are complicated beyond comprehension and it is all invisible to us.

how then is it that we have so much doubt, and that the rationalists think that what we have discovered is perfectly true and right, but by golly there had better not be any more subtle discoveries to be made, that there certainly are no deeper layers to this subtlty?

basically, i am suggesting that this energy is very fine and we have not yet quite learned to measure it. we are electrical beings - do we not put out an energy? do our brains not put out waves? do they stop in our craniums?

for me, i have seen enough of esp to know its true, and i am no magical thinker. there is a scientific explanation to it just as there is a scientific explanation to absolutely everything. all science is, is a description of how things work.

MarkM
03-13-2008, 12:11 AM
it really makes me think though, just think of it this way. if you were to walk up to a terrorist, and say 'i love you' most likely he would tell you to shove it, or point a gun at you. they don't want our love, it is the love of an infidel etc.

walking up to someone in a highly agitated state and trying to get in their face with your 'love' is quite different than meditating for peace, no?

other beings are always free to say no to love. or consciousness. to ask an elevated being to not put out love vibrations is to ask them to cease to exist.

dazcox,

[i]i don't understand how to just send off waves of love energy into the universe.

what is this generic love energy? give me something to work with to understand this concept or it just sounds like poetry and wishful thinking.


[quote]for me, i have seen enough of esp to know its true, and i am no magical thinker. there is a scientific explanation to it just as there is a scientific explanation to absolutely everything. all science is, is a description of how things work.

here, love may be tempered by wisdom; love is power in becoming to all, all who desire further evolution - and love given empowers all, regardless of the road taken, empowerment is the right of all..without caveat

Muse
03-13-2008, 01:09 AM
i posted this in the "love" area, and never saw it there, so i am glad to see it somehow made it here.

i have given this a lot of thought since i first read the article. i found this article when i was looking into orgone devices for chemtrail spraying (it has escalated lately -- i hear it is being stepped up all over). i then went to his site which is really something. [please email for url]

he goes into length about scalar energy devices that "zap or send" energy.

from my own personal experience i can tell you that uninvited advice, etc. is never well received. once you get ones permission to go into their "space," it is a whole different energetic ball game. so for myself, i can see his point.

now, instead of sending unsolicited love, i just step up the love vibe in my own field. and somehow that has begun to feel a whole lot better than zapping or sending love, where zapping is not invited or asked for.

there is more from him on the subject here:
[email for link please]

i agree, great topic!

muse

meganarline
03-13-2008, 07:59 AM
here's my two cents worth. about the science of peace:


is there a "consciousness field" of "radiant mind energy" that we all share?


we all share this consciousness field. our thoughts are not our own all the time whether we like it or not.

if someone is focused on love and sending out love and feeling love and someone else sends out a negative thought the loving person will probably look at that thought in a loving way but not buy into it.

same thing if someone is so focused on the negative and they are sending out negative if you try to send them love it will probably bounce right off them.

my son has a habit of after he gets in trouble for something and i'm peeved at him he'll right away say "come on mum, give me a hug". before i've had a chance to calm down. well no matter how much love he's sending right then, it usually takes me a couple of minutes to get that love feeling back.

it's those who have not decided what to feel that i'm sure sending out love would have a chance of affecting more.

this happened to me after listening to the science of peace. it is posted in the comments section.


just wanted to comment on some of things that have happened to me since i listened to the science of peace and have started practicing some of the meditations suggested there. i had just finished meditating while visualizing a peaceful ,happy world. i pictured people of all races, talking and laughing together and getting along. now i am fairly new to meditating, but i truly put my heart into what i was feeling and was definitely feeling “the love”. shortly there after i took my dog for a walk and five out of six people i passed on the walk, stopped me to talk to me in a friendly way. it was way cool. i didn’t recognize any of them. normally people here say “hi” and keep on going.



now our choices are what we take out of and what we put into this consciousness field. personally i like there to be more love vibes to pick from than negative vibes.



so basically i think if you are focusing on love you see and receive love, if you are focusing on negative you see and receive negative. however, if you are overwhelmingly surrounded by one or the other then it is going to be harder to chose the lesser one. i do think you still have a choice though.

megan

transiten
03-13-2008, 10:07 AM
hi all

your answers resonate perfectly with the thread i started about the maharishieffect and free will, thanks a lot. the reason i ask questions about manipulation is that i've been brainwashed by a false meditationguru with extremely horrible consequenses for me. we all have an emotional filter that our experiences will pass through and this site, davids message and your contribution is a healingexperience for me. i "know" a lot, i have been too open, i've been psychologically violated more than once and i also can recall when i had the same tendencies, not as extreme, but anyway.

so pple who are asking these questions might have been exposed to similar upbringing or experiences in life, where love has been absent or false love (since you can't recognize it if you didn' t have it naturally from the beginning) have been used to manipulate you.

i'm now experiencing a shift in my emotions that is reflected in the pple i meet. i don't always have to do or say anything but pple smile and say nice things anyway and i'm not afraid to recieve it. earlier in life i was always afraid and the thought "what do they want from me now" or "they have an hidden agenda" instantaneously popped up.

i felt i had to be "nice" though, otherwize i would be thrown out from the fellowship. as i learn to put healthy boundaries and that pple don't always disappear because i do i can now choose myself and not be afraid to recieve love or help, and i also feel more love towards others.

liliane

mellisamouse
03-15-2008, 06:18 PM
i think what is important to me personally, is to let the love vibe flow through me naturally, and by denying, or purposely not sending out negative vibes when situations arise with that temptation, holding back , or rather transforming anger into understanding etc instead. ;)

jmho (just my humble opinion) :)