No ascension in 2012

[solisrex]

the ra material emphatically states that it is necessary to go through the death process in order to be harvested to fourth density, however david speaks of the concept of an ascension as a singular event in which all those of positive polarity transform at the same time, seemingly without dying. furthermore, the more recent channellings from q'uo state that the earth has been placed in a "time lateral" that could last another 100 to 700 years to give people more time to reach harvestability. this information suggests that the concept of an ascension in 2012 is not quite right. any thoughts on this issue?

love and light to all

[SuperManny]

i think this time lateral is just part of the quarantine this planet is under. ra says there is no stopping the shift to 4d; it's "as certain as the ticking of your clock", and i don't see the q'uo disagreeing. here is an excerpt from last feb.

to sum up this third level, we would say that to the best of our knowledge—which is not without error but is only opinion—the timetable of your planet is a set one. the planet itself, minus the time lateral, will completely shift into fourth density at the winter solstice of 2011....

we are very hopeful. if that last moment were this very day, the straw poll indicates that your planet will rejoin the typical, normal progression of space/time....

when the time lateral ends and those who are still breathing third-density air upon earth are still around to pick up the pieces—which you are already doing, my friends—those who were not able to make the transition with you will all have been picked up as they enter larger life through the gates of death and with infinite care, cherished and supported through their own process of discovering what lay behind the veil of forgetting. they will be given every chance to consider their lives and what they wish to do next. they will go to a third-density planet somewhere that is not earth and they will take up the third-density classroom once again

[De Mango]

hi,

can you give us the link to the session where q'uo sais that?
i would love to read it...

grtz,

tom

[SuperManny]

can you give us the link to the session where q'uo sais that? i would love to read it...
tom
here (http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2007/2007_0211.htm) is the session where those snippets came from.
for everything you ever wanted to know about the time lateral, click here. (http://www.google.com/custom?q=time+lateral&sa=google+search&cof=s%3ahttp%3a%2f%2fwww.llresearch.org%3bah%3acen ter%3blh%3a135%3bl%3ahttp%3a%2f%2fwww.llresearch.o rg%2fimages%2fquixote.gif%3blw%3a105%3bawfid%3ab73 e3671b97bfd60%3b&domains=www.llresearch.org&sitesearch=www.llresearch.org)

[solisrex]

thank you for your excellent response. i was confusing the "time lateral" and the "transition period."


questioner: then what will be the time of transition on this planet from third to fourth-density?

ra: i am ra. this is difficult to estimate due to the uncharacteristic anomalies of this transition. there are at this space/time nexus beings incarnate which have begun fourth-density work. however, the third-density climate of planetary consciousness is retarding the process. at this particular nexus the possibility/probability vortices indicate somewhere between 100 and 700 of your years as transition period. this cannot be accurate due to the volatility of your peoples at this space/time.

q'uo 2006


after these years of choice have been lived through, you may well live for quite some time thereafter. you will not notice changes in your own ability to breath and eat and do the natural functions of a human being. you will be able to live out your life.

the one known as jim was saying that in the ra material, the period of transition was suggested to be perhaps between 100 and 700 of your years. the reason it is so approximated is that we do not know who shall inspire whom with love and with the daring to make courageous choices at difficult moments. every choice that you make for love extends that transitional period. and it is good to have that time, simply to work with the earth energy and to reconstitute and restore the health of the planet.

it is the nature of this transition period which has me confused. the quote above suggests that while the earth entity ascends to fourth density in 2012, those of us living in third may not notice anything at all. however, the quote listed in your post speaks of "making the transition." does this mean that in 2012 those who have suffucient polarity ascend with the earth entity through the death process, and the transition period is for those who have yet to choose?

[vithar]

i think what it means is that come 2012, you will still be dealing with the same old stuff as always. it may be worse.
i'd like to see a survey of how many think everything's going to tangibly change or not - on any level besides imaginative, legislative and weather etc.
things may have sped up. but this seems more like an intervention from the ptb's schedule. i think the one thing we can count on is new in your face legislations of control.

this is starting to sound so much like the christian rapture (reading posts).

but there's always two sides. hopefully those (other) folks in power will have had their share of what's been.
well earth changes has sped up. i've seen the pics and info concerning sol's system energy increase. i saw a pic of the sun which scared me. it seemed like it was ready to just blow apart.
which makes me think that we've been swimming in the energy flux for some time now. well, i'm still dealing with 3d garbage, with a limited consciousness. and two months away from pot does'nt seem to have helped in the slightest.

anyway, i for one am and will work directly with the earth. mainly though chakra awareness (as in being a conduit) and heart chakra pulsations of "love". i don't know how to be sto in a place like this where everyone is already rich and successful.

but as pointed out by others we need to be careful in our path. it's no coincidence people have called religion and the like sop. that is, endorphan release. in a sense narcissim if not escape.

a faith in a hope of someone else's idea. ever notice how comforting this material is on a bad day? i'm not so sure of that's a wholly good sign.


don't mean to be negative. but some of the fluff i see is starting to....

[FooSnik]

great question. this is probably the most important issue to me. i feel very secure in my decision that this thing is really happening but i am still not sure if it will happen in a sudden, mind bending manner or a gradual process of weeding out the more dense beings over the course of 100 years or so. i have heard that when the more dense die off they will not be able to reincarnate here again and if this is the case then it would take many years to wait for all of the more dense people to move on.

my personal opinion is that i hope it happens as fast as possible. i have also started a thread on pretty close to the same subject. you might want to check it out:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&itemid=108
[note- this link takes you to the forums index - foosnik, you'll have to tell us where to find it! -mod]

sorry about that. i hope this is the correct link:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10206

[SuperManny]

from dw
...this 100-700 year period does not start counting as of the time of the law of one material… it begins in 1936. trip out on this for a minute. we entered into a whole different structure of reality as we know it, beginning in 1936....

ever since 1936, our 'core photons', making up all the atoms and molecules, have already started shifting in frequency, to a degree. this leads to more people getting cancer, as their negative thoughts manifest telekinetically in their bodies. it also leads to other types of telekinesis, as well as the earth changes: people's disharmony starts translating into physical upheavals on the earth's surface. let's go on:
questioner: has the vibration of the basic, of the photon, of all our particles increased in frequency already?

ra: i am ra. this is correct. it is this influence which has begun to cause thoughts to become things. as an example you may observe the thoughts of anger becoming those cells of the physical bodily complex going out of control to become what you call the cancer.

questioner: …i am assuming that this vibratory increase began about between twenty and thirty years ago. is this correct?

ra: i am ra. the first harbingers of this were approximately forty-five of your years ago, [1981-45= 1936] the energies vibrating more intensely through the forty year period preceding the final movement of vibratory matter, shall we say, through the quantum leap, as you would call it.
dw: ok. got that? ra gives an exact time for when the 4d vibrations started having a direct effect on the earth, creating "harbingers." the exact year? 1936.

now before we get into why this is so cool, you must also consider that this last quote is all about the past. they also say that the energies begin "vibrating more intensely through the forty-year period preceding the final… quantum leap."

elsewhere this "quantum leap" is clearly, unambiguously given as 2012..
get the full story here. (http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=332&itemid=30)

[solisrex]

thank you for the replies and links. i read the entire site several years ago, but had not seen the more recent articles. david makes quite the convincing argument. i am now reading through all the posts, which i should have done prior to posting. thanks again for your time and efforts.

[Ewhaz]

when you think about it, it does make an interesting point. most of us here were born after 1936. if it is assumbed that nothing is left to chance, that we all choose when and where to be born then we must come to the logical conclusion that we all chose to be here at this exact moment for this purpose.

i remember when i was younger, reading the information as a christian about the 'end times' i began to look at the world and feel that it was in fact right at this moment. i remember feeling a bit of remorse at that fact as well, not really wanting to be here at such a hectic time. if all that is expected of us is to wake up to the greater reality of unconditional love, then i suppose it's not so bad.

[soup]

any thoughts? well, in pondering this thread a few things came up which may likely have been suggested elsewhere, though i'll reiterate them again, yawn.

first, the notion of going through some death process may strike fear into many people because the unknowns associated. it may be that each physical living 3d body goes through some degree of death process every day in the process of regenerating that largely goes unoticed and could arguably qualify for explanation - that yes, as time goes every person contends with celular death in the act of living. in this context, the idea of "no acsension" may relate to a very narrow minded perspective with which many thing go unoticed.

furthermore, it seems that by the nature of predictive abilities, things which are short term become easier to anticipate than things that seem long term. possibly here, the idea of some higher consciousness having better sense of the balls in motion that are staying in motion, may relate to quality of prediction - it's easier to anticipate the balls location tomorrow than say ten years from now.

related to symbol of the ball seems the word planet. the notion of self interest in the earth's fate reminds me of how people can seem so self interested that they neglect how they relate to others in a way which may be helpful to them. so from a basis of relationship, how does planet earth relate to it's neighbors - is its behavior independant or dependent on others?

when i ponder that in the context of expanding perspective in an abstract symbolic sense, on a very simple level the circle can represent unity. so what happened on such and such a day when such and such a planet was last there as after going full circle?

for example, the last time pluto was in capricorn the united states had a revolution...this seems a significant impetus in world history. can history repeat? what happened the last time jupiter went through capricorn, did the economy downturn?

the questions of planetary relationship cycle seem easier to answer for the shorter periods than say the circle of the mayan calendar. possibly if humanity was able to keep very good historical records of what happens in 2012 then humanity may have a better chance anticipating what may happen the next time that calendar rolls over to the next great cycle.


soup

[transiten]

i think this time lateral is just part of the quarantine this planet is under. ra says there is no stopping the shift to 4d; it's "as certain as the ticking of your clock", and i don't see the q'uo disagreeing. here is an excerpt from last feb.


oops the first part doesn't follow with the quotebutton...

anyway, winter solstice 2011 perfectly matches the end of the mayan calendar and what the mayan elders claim as the important day.

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